Why aren't more young people getting into motorcycling?
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1. Stupid rules on how to pass your test. 2. The expense of passing your test and the Insurance rip off.
I asked a young rider why he sold his 125cc and it was the £1600 insurance cost. That’s more than his bike was worth for transport that was not convenient for him and his friends . He’s saving for a car now . My insurance at 46 is £197 for a garaged bike.
That's not even expensive for a young rider, they can easily get £2k quotes or 3k if around London. Im 39 and doing my DAS but if i chose to stick to CBT it would be only slightly cheaper than your young riders.
I remember when CBT alone used to cost about £60... When I went to do mine last year as I wanted to do DAS, cost me £200.
Also on the topic of age = lower risk. I have been driving cars for 11 years without a claim or penalty. Last year when I got my first bike (Although is a 650cc) cheapest quote I could find as a 30 year old with no claims or penalties was still over £1200
I did my bike license only last year at the age of 37, my brother in law said I should try it as it aids with mental health and depression - which it absolutely does, I love it. I appreciate the challenges for younger people trying to get into motorcycling - it needs to change. There also needs to be tougher action on bike theft - not enough is done, UK police do not care.
Motorcycling for mental health can be a wonderful thing indeed :)
Recently got a friend at work into biking, convinced him to do his CBT and get a nice 125. Kept banging on about my insurance back in 07-08 being about £260 fully comp for my 125 so I wouldn't worry about that costing an arm and a leg, that was my error... Poor sod bought the bike and then got quoted £1400, FOR A 125?! I was shocked how much it had increased, I know it'd gone up a load but didn't think it was a 5-fold increase. I apologised profusely but he was fine with it. Still feel guilty about it telling him not to worry 😖
Will 100% agree on the cost part, sportsbikeshop has had more of my money over the past few years than any other outlet and I regret nothing! 😎
I absolutely hated what they did with these new tests and regulations around motorcycle tests.
Did my CBT in 2011 when I was 16. Did my A license in Jan 13th 2013 when I was 17; 5 days before the new laws came in with all these silly different categories. I remember my instructor telling me right before I went for my test that if I messed this up I wouldn't be able to get a bigger bike for quite some time as the new laws would have prevented me from doing so. Was restricted to 250cc for 2 years Kawasaki GPX250 straight after and the power difference was amazing compared to my 50. Got my first 600 (Gsx-F 600) as a cheap runaround just to get familiar with the power as that too was an incredible jump, then moved on to a Gsxr 600 -> Gsxr 750 (got knocked off of that by a drugged up van driver. Broke my back in 2 places, broke my tibia and fibula, shattered & dislocated my shoulder and snapped my clavicle) the claim from that badboy go me to my favourite bike of all time a Gen 3 S1000RR.
Damn I'm so sorry to hear about your accident, it's great you were able to get back on two wheels though! And what a bike to get back on :D
I've been riding a motorcycle since I was 16/17, I'm now 21 and got my A2 last Feb, the whole licencing and restrictions are bothersome I would love to ride a higher powered bike not my Benelli BN 125, but insurance is also a massive problem, I was quoted 3 and a half thousand for a Kawasaki z500 and I was shocked tbh but yeah it's understandable how there aren't more younger people on motorbikes
I think insurance prices and lack of dealer offers, when i was 16 i got a yamaha aerox 50cc, the dealer included tax, first years insurance, free helmet, and my cbt course, they dropped the scooter off in the morning for me, and turned back up at the end to make sure i'd be fine driving back home myself. Theft was nowhere near as bad then, it was safe being left outside a pub i worked at for hours and was never touched, it was left all day at school and never touched. Petrol was also so much cheaper back then, cost me £2.00 to fill the tank and you would get 100-200 miles depending on your driving. The cheap freedom i got when i was 16 was amazing, something which cemented my love for motorbikes, Its a shame its not the cheap transport it used to be anymore, especially when its probably going to be stolen at some point.
I'm in my 40s and I have only just got the courage to get a bike, passed my CBT last November and struggling to find first bike
I'm guessing a little but do imagine cost has got to be a factor, at that age today you would need to REALLY want a bike and be able to afford to buy and run it etc.
I use the Alpine MotoSafe plugs, cheap and very comfortable and effective, but dont always put them in if I'm just popping across town or something on 30mph roads, but anything more and I think its a must, that wind noise can do real damage if you're not careful!
Lack of instructors,
Lack of MOD 1 test centres (A lot of people have 1-2 hour ride to get to one)
Insane insurance premiums
Expensive 125cc bikes (Now 3-4k)
Expensive gear
Complex licensing
Lack of testing staff and appointments
Negative experience for females (Some training schools have no toilet amenities and lack of female instructors, creepy males)
Where are you looking that sees 125s costing 3-4k? The licensing is not complex, a literal toddler could understand it. There are more women riding now than there ever have been, but yeah, some instructors are fucking weird and need a smack. Gear is as expensive as you make it. Unless you're out on track days, you don't need to drop 2 grand on a new ARAI, HJC, Scorpion etc have a lot of good, well rated helmets at the 80-100 mark. Textiles, similarly, can be extremely expensive, but there are a lot of options for people who don't plan on crashing out at 100+ mph that will be adequate enough for a commute or leisure ride.
Insurance I can't speak on, because mine has been quite okay, but there are a lot of people who will go out and buy a busa, then complain their insurance is like £8000. My first bike, a 600cc, cost me 700 for my first year, and dropped to 500 the second. A few mates of mine on 125s, all spent about 400-600 a year on theirs, first year riding, and my other mates riding big bikes (600-1200cc) are in the range of about 700-1100. But, if you go on Reddit (why would you ever subject yourself to Reddit), you'll see new riders, going out and buying fucking R1s the day of their pass, then complaining that they can't find any insurance claims below 3k, and then people are like, "maaaan insurance premiums are way high wtffff"
Lack of instructors, examiners, and test centres kind of hits the car market too, and it sucks
@ I was giving potential reasons behind the subject of the video.
Milton Keynes has no MOD1 test centre. It has more driving instructors than can be counted.
There is now only one riding school as the other one both instructors quit.
Honda CB125r £4,375 as on Autotrader .
There are way more driving test centres than there are one suitable for riding tests.
@ helmet £80, jacket £100 trousers £100, boots £60, gloves £20
Is about as cheap as you can get, whereas nothing needed if you buy a car.
Everything is car centric,
Whereas back in 1960s the entry cost to bikes and scooters was way cheaper than cars. So most people started out on bikes
@@JayDutch-UK-MKyou say that too, but I wouldn’t trust £20 gloves… and you didn’t mention security. Number of bikes I see with nothing or a cheap disc lock that end up stolen…
5 years no claims, 5 years continuously riding, license held for 12 years. 29 years old. S1000rr insurance quotes £752.53 per month. It's outrageous. That's nearly mortgage territory.
i just passed my das course at 43, got a 650cc My insurance is £230
I did my DAS at the very end of 2023. I did the whole test (CBT, MOD1 and 2 except my theory which was done prior to DAS) all in 2 weeks. It cost me just under £1100. I was 25 when I did my DAS. Passed it with flying colours and went out and bought a 2006 CBR 600RR. My cheapest insurance quote was £2200. On renewal it went down to £800 a year which is a lot more manageable. The only reason I was able to afford it is because I have a company car through my job. It's extortionate how expensive it is to do your test and get on the road after passing now. My dad got me into bikes and his first 125cc cost him £40 a year to insure albeit a long time ago now.
I’m 45. Been driving since 18. Passed my full bike license in 2021. Haven’t bought a bike as I haven’t anywhere secure to lock it up right now. This morning I ran quotes on two big bike insurers for a Honda GB 350s as Third Party, garaged, max excess plus security devices. Neither would quote me for a policy. Maybe just my London postcode but I’m not sure.
Hi ive been car driving for over 30 years and only managed to get bike insurance through bike sure and got a discount for my car insurance if i insured together with adrian flux through bike sure. It was £500 for bike at first in 2017 as i had no claims built up yet , found fully comp was cheaper than third party fire and thieft , been riding bikes since 2017. Try them and mcn compare . I live in london too bike theft is high so insurance told me to lock bike with thatcham lock and in shed and im not alowed to park bike on road outside my house or even in my front garden . My highest quote was 1,700 at bennets this year for a fz6 2009 ulez compliant so the more newer the bike the higher the premium also try a older bike to start off with to build your no claims , i bought a 1997 yzf 600 and rode that for 2 years before upgrading
@ Thanks for the advice. It’s all quite frustrating. Not many options. Rent or buy an expensive garage to keep it in and buy something cheap that I don’t really want and is less than the cost of insurance to build some no claims. Which all negates the point of getting into biking and turns it into an expensive hobby.
@@MarkyMarkJi had my bike stored at my brothers in dorking as insurance was cheaper for 2 years but it started to be a pain when lockdown happened so sorted a side locked enclosed shelter at the side of my house and brought my bike home ,as im a summer weekend rider i do think somtimes why i do it but when u get out of busy life and de stress its worth it. Geting out to Box hill is my target for one sunday in april hopfull the leathers fit 😂🏍💨
Yep its a exspesive hobby , ive restored 2 bikes now , bike devalue so quickly i do for fun but now as i im geting older im glad i have a fuel injected bike i can leave it for 6-8months and it will start first button where my yzf was carbs and had issues on a regular basis so that bike was a money pit . All the best 👍
I'm Dutch and 33... My true love for bikes is like 3/4 years old and growing since the last 2 years in high speed (as a kid I only liked trikes and quads tho)... but I just started my course, Last October I got my theorethical permit and I just had like 3 lessons but it's expensive so it might take a while to succeed... but here insurances are not that expensive I feel like... they are not cheap and everything depends on make and model regardless just like with cars... but still it's not the most expensive part about owning vehicles...
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I think your explanation about young people is pretty spot on. I had a 125 as my sole means of transport at 18. This is 14 years ago now, and back then it was really cheap. I think i paid about £400 insurance and the bike was only £1300 for an old Honda. It was a legitimate cheap way to get around. Nowadays i don’t think it is. You won’t find a decent well maintained 125 for under £2500-3000. Insurance is at least double. And then if you want to actually do it as a hobby the licensing laws put you off until you’re 19. I think there is some regional variance in take up though. Down here in London when i did my DAS last year there was a good number of people doing A2 alongside the folks doing the full A. And I believe the 21-30 age group accounts for the most motorcycle tests taken by quite a big margin. Since 2020 i think the bike has become very popular as a commuter in big cities where people don’t want to use public transport but also don’t want to be stuck in traffic. The Honda dealer i bought my NC750 from said that after the 125’s, their most popular models are the 500cc A2 range. But when i go up north to visit family and go to some cafes and stuff it’s a noticeably older crowd than I’m used to seeing down here.
When I did my Direct Access, I did pay-per-lesson rather than a course, worked out that it cost me something like £700 to do, included bike hire, lessons and tests. I see a lot of schools trying to push those packages - mine didn't though! I did mine at 29, and I'm deffo the youngest in my bike groups that's not on L plates. Social Media has been somewhat of a blessing and curse for motorbikes I think. There needs to be some changes regarding bike thieves, some police forces have a no chase rule for riders without helmets, I see a lot of thieves just in balaclavas on mopeds!
I love having the drop down sunglasses in my helmet. So convenient not having to mess around with putting sunglasses on or off in the helmet.
My HJC has one and my new to me Scorpion also has one.
I got my car license before I got my motorcycle license as well. Gained a lot of experience while driving which helps predict traffic which you need to be more vigilant on whilst on a bike.
Travel in long distance, is definitely more suited for cars. But more fun on motorcycles plus the benefits of motorcycle is lane filtering, being cheap on road tax and cheap on insurance for a lot of people.
As in the topic of the videos, yeah all make sense. And it does limit a lot of people in getting on a motorcycle with the downsides.
Which is sad, but inflation is a thing. But yeah comes with a lot of costs for some.
Getting the license, getting gear, buying a bike, locks mods etc. In the end worth it for sure.
125's are not bad but not super suitable for highway or expressways. But local and backroads more then fine.
250 all the way up to 1000's and beyond are obviously more capable. But power wise a 1000(+) has not much of use on road use only.
it's cool to do a pull for a bit when the situation allows but that's about it. Reaching top speed is doable on public road but the risk factor is high.
At the track it's way more safe to do so, so that's what I would recommend doing if you want to do that.
On a lot of bikes the top speed is already too high for it to be fully used on public roads. It's cool it can, but you can barely reach those speeds anyway.
Been riding bikes since i was eight (forty one years ago). Passed my DAS in 2006 cost £500.
First bike £1400,insurance £280.
Currently ride a 2018 H2 SX running 207whp,insurance fully comprehensive £209. 9:00
I’ve gone on about it before 😂 but staggered licence structure and stupid insurance costs are the main issues. Bikes are everything to me but I don’t think that would be the case if I’d of had to be the thick end of 24 years old to ride something decent. By the age of 21 I owned (or had recently owned) a 350 YPVS, a GSXR400 and and GSXR750L, bikes I aspired to and were a real possibility to own as long as you had a full time job. Nowadays from a practical point of view, unless you come from a background where bikes are in your blood, it’s easier to pass one car test, get a nice car on PCP and have the joy of transport with a roof over your head and a heater. Not exactly cheap, but less hassle than getting a low powered bike and having to do the same test twice before you can get the bike you really want (I love small bikes but let’s be realistic, early in your biking journey big power is what most of us are fascinated by). Without sounding like an old fart I think I can count on one hand the number of “young” bike UA-camrs I regularly watch, and it’s not because I don’t like seeing young people enjoy riding (exactly the opposite), it’s because there aren’t many young riders, and even fewer invested enough in it to start a UA-cam channel.
Nothing wrong with staggered licence
@ yes there is. Potentially doing the same set of tests again on a slightly more powerful bike after having two years experience is an absolute joke. There’s also the fact that the car test is a “one and done” deal which is quite a plus point when choosing your primary mode of transportation.
Layers of testing definitely a big issue 😢
I passed my bike test in 1978, it's all relative. Bikes have never been cheap, Harleys are particularly expensive though but you get what you pay for and before any Harley haters have anything to say Ducati's are worse. I've had both. Some of the youngsters on 125's that I know are paying 3 grand for insurance on a Chinese 125 that doesn't cost 3 grand new.
I have a Harley and been riding from a kid . I checked on insurance two years ago for a S1000 rr and it was around 2000 a year
I have no tickets or accidents. That was the reason I didn't buy it.
I use earpeace for my plugs and they work really well but my expensive Shoei NXR2 helmet is AWFUL for wind protection!
When I got my first 125 back in the late 80s, they were 2 strokes so much quicker than today's 125s.
Many didn't bother with the test, and for those that did it was on your own bike (125) part 1 and 2 which was similar to a CBT. You then could ride anything you wanted.
Unfortunately I didn't do my test until 2020, so it cost a fortune and was much more difficult 😂
True about costs though, i have three helmets at home, yesterday i absolutely had to start trying on some Shoei helmets, cant be too safe (is what i told my wife) and pointless getting that with out a new mesh coms right? Not purchased just yet, waiting for new release .
Im 53 and started on bikes in 80s when u only had part 1 and part 2 and it cost alot less but didnt make it to part 2 due to a RTA , so i returned for a second go and did my full access 4 day coarse in 2017 i was lucky it cost all in with bike hire £790 mod 1&2 if u add in the cbt and thieroy test it proberly came to £1000 , i bought 1997 yzf 600 for £1,500 , insursance £500 , bike tax ,i bought on a budget all second hand gear apart from helmet another £500 , if u sat down before hand and added it all up u would have a shock and would possibly not do it as i can be a constant drain on your finances especially with a old bike , i ended up buying a more reliable yamaha Fz6 s2 . My son did his A2 at 21 and then full access after 2 years he restricted his yamaha xj6n for the A2 and now still has it now unresticted at 79 hp. Im only good weather march to september rider i did all the riding all weathers when i was younger, im looking forward to the better weather and i will be back out , i enjoy your Awsome diy bike maintenance vids. 👍 🏍💨 .
Earplugs - Auritech race pro’s, and a quiet helmet. Smaller mirrors cut noise but obviously only if you can still see.
At 32 my license cost £1500 for the full including CBT 4 months before. Went for a big do-it-all bike cost £21K+, insurance by year (lying about having a garage and lower miles);
Yr 1 - £3500
Yr 2 - £2500
Yr 3 - £850
I’ve spent £1500 on locks and trackers as it’s a BMW sports bike.
I get I’m not ‘young’ and my bike is expensive, but it’s also my only mode of transport doing 20K+ miles a year 😅.
I can’t imagine how expensive insurance is for younger people on a bike more than a 125 - and you do need that power to be safe on A roads. Just like you said, short slip roads are deadly.
Think biking is now a part of the leisure industry and so has priced younger riders out. People are still coming into biking but are much older with more dispensable income. Dangers associated with biking has made training at different age points until the age of 25 makes biking expensive to upgrade your licence and restricts younger riders getting on the most powerful bikes in the interests of road safety and the deaths of younger riders. Problem i see is young riders on 125 who cant afford the biking gear or dont want to wear safety gear riding around in everyday clothes and not taking biking seriously , being anti social and not insured and riders who have full licence who use roads as a race track which always puts biking in a bad light, so has a impact on the majority of bikers whether gaining a licence for larger bikes and high insurance
Got my A licence early Jan 2025, got 6 points last year for riding around in a illegal E bike which forced me to get my cbt and thought I might as well get the whole A licence early…
Getting my new Honda ADV 350 this Monday… done fully comp insurance for £1400 … which is doable, but I’m hoping the price will drop significantly when my points get erased and hopefully have no claims for a few years….
250cc is still abit underpowered but 390 and up is decent enough power.
I'm curious to know where this "young people aren't getting into motorcycling" idea is actually coming from, you're not the only one to parrot this, but I don't believe it. Like, who is the source of these claims, where are these figures being taken from? You say you don't know the stats, but then you say it's generally known that it's an "aging hobby" according to who though? According to that dingus yammienoob, or other yank fear mongerers constantly trying to drive youtube clicks?
There are more motorcycling content creators and motovloggers (young ones too, look at you) today than there ever was 10 years ago. Motorbike sports events are the most popular they've ever seen, with the French Grand Prix MotoGP seeing it's largest attendance every at any grand prix event in 2023, 2024 seeing 3 million+ spectators, breaking the previous record set back in 2018. Year on year new motorcycle sales have been going up, not down.
When I'm out riding, I see more motorbikers now (not these deliveroo scoot morons, actual bikers) than I ever have, and whenever I'm out near the training centre I took my CBT and A license DAS with years back, there's more youngsters there in the mornings than I've ever seen, and speaking with the owner and his wife, they see they've never been so busy and are trying their hardest to try and hire more instructors and increase their tech footprint to make the process even easier to book, as they're struggling to keep up with the phone calls.
There's this increasingly cringe attitude of motovloggers of, "It's all doom and gloom, we're a dying breed, man!" as if motorbiking is still that rebellious, outlaw type mode of transport. It isn't, and hasn't been for a while. Yes, prices are going up, but where in life are prices not going up? Yes, KTM is struggling, stores are shutting up shop, but KTM spent a decade stepping on rakes and failing to meet orders, and were pumping out shitbikes that break down constantly, while many of the shops I've seen close around me, were located in the most insane areas for setup, you'd think their business analyst was a lobotomized snail or something. CMC Chesterfield, J&S, two shops I frequent, are ALWAYS filled to the brim. Bike groups, group rides, clubs, they're still alive and thriving.
Like, I get the worry that people have, we all want other people to enjoy the freedom that motorbiking offers us, but pushing this doomer narrative isn't exactly healthy, and will only turn possible new riders away based on this weirdly hostile, "don't bother, we're dying a slow death" attitude that UA-camrs, who thrive on click-baity, sensationalist titles pump out.
Love you TipToe, just needed to share my view, because I must either be insanely stupid and am missing the obvious, or am the crazy one shouting a truth into an enraged crowd of zealots desperate to be seen as renegades. We're cool enough as it is with our sick leathers, our tinted visors, and our excessive rizz without needing to cry "pity us uwu, pound my twink badussy senpai I'm so fragile" nonsense
I think it would be great if I'm wrong 😁 From personal experience, like over the summer when I visited lots of bike meets, there was definitely a set demographic- and it wasn't A2 / CBT riders. But online, I think they're more present, so I guess it depends where you look. Just wanted it to be a discussion rather than doom and gloom, I think in general social media is helping sway things so motorcycling won't die out :)
Sorry to double comment, but this is a topic I think is quite interesting. 2:30 yes, I'd call you a young person.
Looking at the MCIA press statistics for the UK, December 2023 saw a total sales of motorcycle figures of 4,854, down 10% from 2022, but the 2024 sales figures saw a climb of 122.6% in new motorcycle sales, at 10,807. Do those look like figures that indicate motorcycling is generally dying?
Of those we saw a 88% increase of registrations for new mopeds and scooters.
The most sold naked bike was the Honda CB125F, a very young rider on a CBT beginner bike, and of ALL bike sales, 51-125cc bikes were the most sold, with an increase of 154% sales over the year.
All of this, btw, are new sales and new registrations, these figures don't account for second hand market sales, which is where you're going to find most new, young bikers looking, because it makes sense when you're new and young, to either not be able to afford to go out and drop 6 grand on a brand new MT-125, or be old enough to go DAS into something like a 300, and unless you have more money than sense, you're probably not going to feel confident enough to spend 6x on a new bike only to drop it and dump off 80% of its value in the first few months.
Figures prior to '23, '24 obviously have a strong trend downwards due to the fact that we were all stuck up in doors during the pandemic, so those figures are naturally going to be absolutely tanked.
What I'm saying isn't that motorcycling itself is dying, but young people aren't as inclined to start at the time when they're considering their first vehicle. So new motorcycle sales have gone up, which is amazing, but it's highly unlikely they're driven by young riders, rather it'll probably be riders that can afford and are old enough to take their full licence straight away, buy a new bike, and afford the insurance on it. But as you said, we can't track second hand sales as easily - and those are the bikes much more likely to be picked up by say 17-24 year olds (using that age bracket as its the typical CBT-A2 bracket). 50-125cc bike sales might also be influenced by young riders, but equally they could be for older riders who are using them for commuting and delivery driving. So it's fab that motorcycling as a whole doesn't look to be dying out, but the general consensus from messages & comments I've had is people are having to wait longer than they'd like to get started, mostly either because of insurance issues or the staggered licencing system :)
@TipToeBikers I definitely agree with you on that - lot of bike meets I've been to tend to have a lot of older guys in their 40s and 50s (I'm 33, am I old? 😅), but I wonder like you say if it's more a generational gap kind of thing, where back in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s if you were going to go out on a group ride you kind of had no other choice but to all gather somewhere. Not long ago I went to Squire's café up near Leeds, and it was awesome, and there was definitely a large assortment of ages, and I'd say there were probably more young people on their sport, and sport nakeds than olds on their Harleys and Goldwings.
These days, millennials, gen z, etc. we all have Facebook, UA-cam, whatever, to arrange meets, so the two generations having their own specific ways of organising, I think they just rarely meet in the middle as a result? I wonder if bike meets generally are less appealing to younger riders too? I know me and some friends constantly go on about going to more (because when you go, they're really enjoyable) but rarely find a time when our calendars align due to work and other commitments, and end up not doing it, or we just don't really know where to look for them, honestly. The ones we've done we just kind of saw fliers and posters up at bike spots or stores and said, "oh that's cool, let's look into it."
I think one of the biggest points of friction for younger riders getting into it, is price, for sure, but also how little is done about theft. It's a much safer option to go out and get a car, than risk dropping a few grand on the lessons, gear, and bike, only to see it lifted into the back of a van. Had a friend of mine recently have his bike lifted, and the police are next to fucking useless and you'd have more luck picking a gold nugget out or your nose than you would getting the police to do shit.
@TipToeBikers anyway, it's a great topic and I definitely have my own things to say on it, and have the setup for motovlogs, but don't really feel like anything I have to say is very interesting or insightful lmao, so appreciate the discussion, I hope you have a great weekend! ride safe :)