Bob James Reacts to Run DMC Sampling "Nautilus" on "Beats to the Rhyme"
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- Опубліковано 6 лис 2024
- From Let the Record Show episode 14, Bob James explores different tracks that sampled his 1974 classic "Nautilus". In this clip, he tells the tale of hearing Run DMC's "Beats to the Rhyme", as it spins on vinyl in front of him. Full episode here: • Let the Record Show Ep...
Bob James is also a Hip-hop legend.
That's right, real heads know!
But he never respect any people who never pays royalty to him with proper respect. Hiphop makes money and it has been market preferred content since 80s but no one will care about it in 30 years because simpmy it's boring to most people.
Hah ha hahah
@@hotcold7340 this whole comment is a conundrum 🤔
Word Up
Bob James is true legend my friend.
i appreciate how humble and open-minded Bob James is; considering what he'd been through as a Creative
love this and love Bob James. and I'm so glad that he isn't one of the older artist that aren't bitter about artists sampling their tracks!
Bob James sued Madlib like 2 years ago.
@@knottsspitkicker Idk if that would necessarily make him bitter. Would depend on the backstory.
I think being sampled makes you even more legendary.
James Brown definitely did not like other artists sampling his songs. Fought against that vigorously.
@@thedfferencetab1977 i agree. He could just be looking for the payment from the use of his product-which wouldnt be unheard of.
Ha ha, playing this sample in his face is like repeatedly showing him video of someone breaking in his house and stealing his valuables over and over. Torture. Bob is a legend though.
Not when you get those checks😂
My hometown has a Bob James festival every May.
get da fuk outta here?
@@foxman8585 Marshall, Missouri every May. It's Bob James hometown.
Dope
the question is why not every city :-) ?
Marshall, MO?
Apart from sampling royalties he would get. Run DMC Peter Piper I loved & bought the Run DMC track, then bought the Bob James album it came from (after I found out who it was) and loved it, so it gets maybe an unknown artist to me at the time more recognised and more bucks to the original artist. Now I know who Bob James is thanks to Run DMC. So I'm sure most original artists love being sampled as long as they get there dues!
De La Soul had the Turtles settlement---Biz had the Gilbert O Sullivan lawsuit
True!
Eminem v Labi Siffre
And therefore?
Wowwwwww... The not-so-happy marriage of two sides of my musical world. So many songs from Bob James *and* Run DMC are all over the soundtrack of my life... from my army days through my college years especially. And they're all still in my playlist today.
Somewhere I know Mr. James has a pair of shell top Adidas.
beautiful
lmao thank you for this
Me too cuz. And a Raiders hat for Easy E
he really doesnt though, he only "enjoys" the rap music he can make a buck off of fr
I was listening to Nautilus on Spotify and looked up the song's background and history and now I am here!
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I was hoping to hear Bobs opinion about the Run DMC track as a work of art, but this was just business talk. I can only assume Bob doesn't think much about the artistry of Run DMC, or perhaps it was overshadowed by the feeling of having missed a chance of substantial financial rewards.
or perhaps and usually a reasonable retrospective licence fee. Because many artists don't make it big, the value of commercial exploitation is in the IP and we all got to pay bills. The bigger the star the bigger the burn rate.
He's gone on record as saying that he's not really into hip-hop, but he appreciates the creativity of hip-hop producers and their ability to find new uses of of his old music. He doesn't really seem to mind them sampling his music as long as they go through the proper channels (get the proper licensing) and the lyrics are not too obscene.
Sounds like he doesn't feel like he made as much money as he would have liked. Run DMC prob made much more than he did. Despite his legendary musicianship, he was sort of 'underground' and not as well known as say Miles Davis. He did do the music for the TV show Taxi though which was my fav TV show ever
You didn't hear what you wanted to hear, so you just assume something?
Damn Bob! If you were paying attention then you would know they sampled "Take Me To The Mardi Gras" for their song "Peter Piper" before this.
We actually talked about that too, but since this was a "Nautilus" episode, we didn't use that clip. Maybe we'll release it soon...
@@LetTheRecordShowTV Cool! Good stuff btw.
@@40EastTrill thanks!
@@LetTheRecordShowTV I'm watching the Slick Rick one now lol. You might have a new sub.
@@40EastTrill there's more where that came from! 36 episodes deep and more to come.
My god that beat and arrangement is just amazing
Artist should be paid for sampling of their works period. Rap owes its foundation and the golden age to these artists. What would have happened if these artists and their catalog's didn't exist.
other artists would have been sampled, no big deal really
@@ARE_YOU_SICK_OF_YT_CENSORSHIP some shit just flies waaaaay up high and you miss it. If hip hop had to generate from
Itself it would have been different. More so the equivalent of the beat machine and synthesizers of the time. It’s was a derivative of the spoken word and jazz fusion. Think before you reply
@@che1925 think before disparaging another opinion
@@ARE_YOU_SICK_OF_YT_CENSORSHIP Yawwwnnnn use your brain next time.
@@che1925 seems you have an obsession with someone else's IQ, compensation?
My favorite RUN-DMC song of all time.
One of the primary problems with the sampling of recordings is the lack of universal standards for use. There's no question that sample-based music is a unique art form that has advanced society's understanding of music. There needs to be a system where samplers can be allowed the freedom they need to create sample-based work, but still ensure that the original artists get paid a reasonable amount. Right now the owners have too much leverage to say "no" or demand unreasonable compensation for clearance and this has hampered the art form of sampling, which is contrary to the whole reason the Copyright Act exists in the first place. You have to remember that the primary purpose of the Copyright Act is to foster the creation of new art. Allowing the creators to get paid for the art is secondary, its merely designed as an incentive to get artists to create new art for ALL to enjoy. Once the owner's copyright begins to hamper the creation of new and unique art for society at large, then the primary purpose of the Act is thwarted and the copyright owner's right to exclusive ownership must give way to the creation of new and unique art. As Bob is saying, had systems been in place on the front end to deal with dynamic then everyone would have been better off in the long run.
Did you listen to the part where Bob James talks about the newer "back end" type of licensing where the artist doesn't have to pay anything for initial permission and never will, *unless* it goes on to earn big $$ for the sampling artist? (6:19) Sounds fair to me, but devil is in the details.
So what? They created the music, therefore, they have the right to give or deny permission to people who want to sample their music.
@@intelligencehaswon5714 That's not how it works though. Here's what the Supreme Court of the United States says about the subject:
"It may seem unfair that much of the fruit of the compiler's labor may be used by others without compensation. As Justice Brennan has correctly observed, however, this is not "some unforeseen byproduct of a statutory scheme." Harper & Row, 471 U.S., at 589 (dissenting opinion). It is, rather, "the essence of copyright," ibid., and a constitutional requirement. The primary objective of copyright is not to reward the labor of authors, but "to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts." Art. I, § 8, cl. 8. Accord, Twentieth Century Music Corp. v. Aiken, 422 U.S. 151, 156 (1975). To this end, copyright assures authors the right to their original expression, but encourages others to build freely upon the ideas and information conveyed by a work. Harper & Row, supra, at 556-557.
Feist Publ'ns, Inc. v. Rural Tel. Serv. Co., 499 U.S. 340, 349-50 (1991)
""The limited scope of the copyright holder's statutory monopoly, like the limited copyright duration required by the Constitution, reflects a balance of competing claims upon the public interest: Creative work is to be encouraged and rewarded, but private motivation must ultimately serve the cause of promoting broad public availability of literature, music, and the other arts. The immediate effect of our copyright law is to secure a fair return for an 'author's' creative labor. But the ultimate aim is, by this incentive, to stimulate artistic creativity for the general public good. 'The sole interest of the United States and the primary object in conferring the monopoly,' this Court has said, 'lie in the general benefits derived by the public from the labors of authors.' Fox Film Corp. v. Doyal, 286 U.S. 123, 127. See Kendall v. Winsor, 21 How. 322, 327-328; Grant v. Raymond, 6 Pet. 218, 241-242. ...
Copyright protection subsists in original works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression pursuant to 17 U. S.C.S. § 102(a) of the Copyright Act (Act), 17 U.S.C.S. § 101 et seq. This protection has never accorded the copyright owner complete control over all possible uses of his work. Rather, the Act grants the copyright holder exclusive rights to use and to authorize the use of his work in five qualified ways, including reproduction of the copyrighted work in copies pursuant to 17 U.S.C.S. § 106 of the Act. All reproductions of the work, however, are not within the exclusive domain of the copyright owner; some are in the public domain. Any individual may reproduce a copyrighted work for a fair use; the copyright owner does not possess the exclusive right to such a use."
Sony Corp. of Am. v. Universal City Studios, Inc., 464 U.S. 417, 431-33 (1984)
@@JamBurglar The law has nothing to do with right and wrong.
wss for people sampling nautilus i wouldnt even know who bob james is !
Facts.
Baby steps........and the generation before yours- that first heard in their original forms Nautilus, Take Me To The Mardi Gras, Feel Like Makin' Love, Westchester Lady, etc....thought that he was black because of those tight grooves & in a smart move by his record company, CTI Records didn't put his face on any album cover until his 4th album. Which let the music speak for itself & let everyone in the hood find out this brother with the 2 first names true identity - only when viewing him in concert. Here's hoping that future generations coming up will know BJ by name & all that great music that he's help create in the last 50 years.
Had you ever heard the theme song to the tv series, “Taxi”? It’s called “Angela”.
Shit he should've known who RUN DMC was from Peter Piper that was completely him as well.
TheTrusouldj yea on touchdown shit is butttta
Thanks to bob for this killer break, you are a legend.
He is and he is still doing it today. Big up Bob James!
This is iconic. I don't even know how y'all did it.
It's like getting James Brown to hear how much Hip-Hop loved him.
Thank you! We hustle!
It’s great that he was able to open up about the art of music making with a realistic approach. Kinda like insight on how to make it more than a hobby
Yeah he was dropping knowledge
First time ever seeing any of your content/channel. I was sitting here listening to Bob James and actually wanted to know his opinion on being the most sampled dude ever and you guys brought exactly that thought to the table. Very grateful that you guys could do this interview, thank you!!
Bob James is not the most sampled artist ever. That honor goes to another James -- the one named Brown....
That was awesome. I’ve never heard Bobs voice. I flipped Nautilus a few years back. I flipped that joint 🤟🏽
You didn’t flip anything. That song had already been turned upside down, and every which way, probably before you were born.
Been listening to Bob James since the late '70s. His music has always been timeless. Tickled to death that his music has found legit artistic value, usefulness and respect among a new generation, esp. among African Americans. That's the true mark of a CLASSIC.
Renown Jazz keyboardist and composer Bob James was discovered by Quincy Jones at the Notre Dame Jazz Festival in 1963.
326 times sampled according to who sampled. Got a nice reggae cover of Nautilus the other day by "Blundetto".
Link?
@@jkllfdsa ua-cam.com/video/jxa-sx4DbMw/v-deo.html
Great interview! Taught me a lot
We're here to teach and to learn!
great interview
Pay this man! He deserves it!
RUN DMC sampled a lot of Bob. Another fav is Peter Piper.
I’ve seen many interviews with Bob about this, and it’s important to know that he’s not against hip-hop. He actually appreciates and recognizes the artistic use of his samples - he just wishes he would’ve been given a chance to be involved, and that is absolutely reasonable. Jazz is all about collaboration, and Bob has said many times he would’ve loved collaborating with up-and-coming hip-hop artists back in the day if they had given him that chance. As a hip-hop head myself, there’s no question that what guys like Jam Master Jay did with the samples was nothing short of brilliant. On the other hand, it’s absolutely fair that Bob is frustrated that somebody else profit it from his work without his permission or involvement. One of those things where we can recognize both sides
Fantastic to have a chat with Bob James about these issues. Kraftwerk goes to the court straight away! #transeuropeexpress
By far, one of the top Nautilus spins from Run, D & JMJ
The first 12 Bob James albums were sampled heavily.
Many classic breaks and samples
Bob is a Good friend of mine.I help him on tour what a great kool kat & thanks for signing all my albums...
That's a wealth of wisdom bestowed upon the listening masses in less than 10 minutes.
People don’t really understand how influential this man has been to the hip-hop art form wouldn’t be a stretch to say that he’s (inadvertently) actually a pioneer of the genre.
He is not a pioneer of Hip Hop neither is Led Zeppelin a pioneer of Rock 😒
It’s a HUGE stretch! Hip hop was around long before Peter Piper.
Bob James made great black music (jazz) and other black artists came and sampled it.
@@logicalblackman8228 Dude.. you're actually agreeing with and making my point. Why are you trying to straw-man the assertion that I made about Bob James??
@@TheRTM dude, how do you figure them making your point for you? I’m not. You could take away every record that sampled Bob James and the art form would be unchanged.
Bob James made money off the culture.
I kinda bought the Tougher than Leather vinyl recently because of this track that is too good, and this track is good because of this specific sample.
Amazing you got Bob James to talk to you like that.
He was a complete gentlemen, the nicest guy
@@LetTheRecordShowTV Thanks for helping build a bridge of understanding between old-school (Bob James) and new-school (Hip-Hop).
@@jkllfdsa Thank you for your support!
You would think take me to the Mardi Gras would be the topic of discussion
Right
Bob is a jazz Master....luv his music!
He needs to do a whole hiphop tour with them all
Run DMC, invokes tears. Plays King Sun's Big Shots... heart attack.
Bob is a cool dood. At the end of the day...hip hop was kids who couldn't afford music instruments or lessons, so they did what they did. They didn't what they were really doing. I also understand where Bob is coming from on the business side. Buy he gets it because he understands how much he has used and been influenced by other musicians. Buy at the end of the day...he wants his money, can't be mad at that👍🏿🤷🏾♂️.
This reminds me of the movie Being John Malkovich when Malkovich went into his own brain portal.
Even though he didn't profit much specifically from that sample, James was exposed to a whole new audience...especially in recent years.
There are those that just never understand!
I love BJ's music! And how did I got to that point??? Well...
Must have been by having grown up listening to those sample era Hip Hop recordings, such as this here by Run DMC!
His music would've been forgotten by now, if there wouldn't have been that sampling phenomenon, that changed just about everything.
Many have learned over the years that 'having been sampled' is an honour, and will, in long term, help keep almost forgotten music alive.
Bob James is a national treasure!
@@LetTheRecordShowTV
And Run DMC is not??? What is your point??? Dave Mustaine also is, but his views and beliefs are not!
@@alanladdseinekatze859 yes they are too. We agree with you.
I don't think he'd have been "forgotten" (I still remember & love his music and I'm no hiphop person). I'm among folks who got turned on to Bob James back in the late '70s. But you're right, Alan Ladd and his Cat, thanks to hip hop sampling, he's really coming forth as a LEGEND. You know what they say: "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." Amen. You bet.
Mr. Bob James ...MASTER!!
A true living legend.
The music you made influenced generations of hip hop heads you contributed to a culture that i love. Thank you.Fuck mummble rap.boombap4ever
Shout out to Bob James. He's talking about Traklib at the end.
I don’t think you guys fully appreciate the core of the sampling.
We were rapping over these recordings in the streets before making “rap records.”
The records were to reproduce what we were doing in the streets.
We were using Bob James records from day one in “hip hop” prior to ever going into a studio.
Rapper’s Delight used Chic’s Good Times because we were already rapping over that recording in the streets.
One of their better cuts. Lots of good samples and cuts.
Hip Hop needs to not only give this man his flowers but cut him a few checks too . Well deserved and well overdue
I believe the Hip Hop allstars used Nautilus to rhyme over on the Arsenio show. Arguably one of the greatest performances in rap history.
The only crime I note is that many DJ's used Mardi Gras and Nautilus before Run DMC even thought of it.. I still may have my 2 copies of Mardi Gras in my closet... In a crate.. I know some remember...
this was favorite RUN DMC song beside rock box
My mom put me on to Bob James:)
Fan of Bob but so glad artist of his era werent preventing these early hiphop artists from being creative. They should look at it in terms of the fans they attracted due to the sampling, most of us would never have explorerd their music. We have a situation nowadays where copyright has stiffled creativity and a lot of modern hiphop sounds as boring as hell without the samples.
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Sampling a real musician's work and looping it isn't creative, it's lazy.
The gentleman referred The Turtles to Biz Markie. Biz was OSullivan and the Turtles took everything from De La Soul for a sample in a not b but d side song
B.J. 4 the win!!!
True heads know!
Hip-hop is weird because for years, it would say: "Be original! Don't copy! Don't bite someone else's style!" But then they would 'bite' samples of other artists' work.
Bob James is a musical legend - do not sample him cuz he is always better - original beats the rest - he is the sound master flash :-)
Agreed but we would have missed out on a lot of great, classic cuts without the samples
Personally I got into Bob james as a result of his music being sampled in hip hop records I was into. This goes for a lot of other musicians too, who I would not know about if it wasn't for sampling. Maybe the artists who are being sampled should consider that scenario too. It is not like anyone goes into a record store looking for James Brown and going "no, I think I'll have this Public Enemy record instead". Usually it is two widely different forms of music and when used creatively and made into something else it cannot be considered a rip-off IMHO. OTOH if you take a refrain from a song and just add some rap verses to it and some extra drums, that is something else, because then it is essentially the same song.
Before Beats to the Rhyme, RUN-DMC sampled Take Me To The Mardi Gris (Peter Piper). Also Bob James. WAY bigger hit
We did speak to him off camera about that. One of these days we release the clip
Check out Skratch Bastid- Take me to the Mardi Gras.
I think the difference is that Bob James didn't write the song, "Take Me To The Mardi Gras" was written by Paul Simon. Bob James version is a cover.
I get what he's saying but I think things turned out for the better for most of the heavily sampled artists in the long run. If sampling would have been cracked down on in hip-hop infancy's, the genre would have been completely different and may not have exploded the way it did. It may not have been "fair" but it was beneficial to many of these sampled artists once the landscape changed to their favor.
would be different if would be at all
What statute of limitation?.......owner has exclusive rights.....
At some point the exclusive right (copyright) expires and the intellectual property (song) becomes public domain (anyone can use it without paying the owner). For example, you don’t have to pay the author of “Happy Birthday” to use the song, because the statute of limitations on ownership has expired.
I hope that helps.
@@sazonsongs - How many years? Do you know?
@@norakat Either 50 or 75 years.
@Larry Lee Hansen thanks Larry.
Rev Run, run uncle bob his 💰.
should've asked him about Look-Alike sampled by Gangstarr on ? Remains, illest Bob James flip ever
cool channel, subbed
Initially, rappers sampled stuff because they had no production budget. Later, sampling became an homage (shout out) to a familiar track most people would know.😮
They should have mentioned "Take Me To The Mardi Gras" Run DMC used it for "Peter Piper".
Don't forget Queen Mother Rage, produced by X-Clan "Slipping Into Darkness" that used Nautilus as well. ua-cam.com/video/BwM487RlxQQ/v-deo.html
Bob James is the work's.
It’s funny… You listen to Nautilus and it just sounds like a hard-core hip-hop beat, so much so that it’s hard to imagine it being anything else. Of course, it’s a jazz fusion piece and it’s brilliant for several reasons, but for those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, we heard so much of it through loops and samples in hip-hop, that that association is almost impossible to break
Yet Moby was sued to death for his Oh yeah sample he took from those K-tel records.
He’s becoming the Bernie Sanders of hip hop lol. I see this guy all over the internet via tracklib etc. Dope stuff
I sent Bob James a message about how I became a huge fan of his work by way of being a '90s hip hop kid. His response was gracious. Seems like a good guy on a personal level. It's easy to hear his influence in my production choices.
@ 5.20....HE'S TALKING ABOUT MADLIB!!!!!!!!
Did they pay Bob?
The Verve had to give up 100% royalties for using a sample from a german composer on their super hit track bitter sweet symphony.
I don´t want to diss Mr. James, he is a Genius! But seriously: That was a 3 to 4 Seconds-Sample. Without Run-DMC I would not know that Bob James even exists. Don´t get me wrong, Mr. James is one of the most talented Artists in Music-History and of course he should be credited and get his fair amount of money. But this attitude destroyed Hip Hop-Music in the 1990s. My oppinion....
should've played him peter piper
Bob James love/hate with hip hop is compilcated
That definitely comes through in this interview.
It’s like that for a lot of the heavily sampled musicians.
Without sampling, hip-hop would be nowhere
Absolutely false.
Wow they didn't do the Peter Piper song from DMC. Wonder what he thinks of this-> ua-cam.com/video/B_9rnlcdL7Y/v-deo.html. They should ask him
Artist must control the industry and run the suits out of the business.. no more mmiddleman
If these artist had any type of decency, they would pay the royalties for this man's work, especially since so many black artist from the past have had their work stolen.
Did RUN DMC have to give Sam Kinison or his estate any money?
*De La with the Turtles sample haha
What about the other Run DMC song that is more egregiously sampled Bob James, Peter Piper? Forget Beats to the Rhyme, Peter Piper is 100% Bob James. You can't tell me that one did not meet the fraud criteria. In fact, if I played Bob James Take me to the Mardi Gras outside, someone will assume I am playing Peter Piper by Run DMC, how did yall miss the obvious choice to discuss?
Group Home, DJ Premier sampled rhis to great effect . .Main Source was equally as good.
THE GREAT BOB JAMES TRUE HIPHOP HISTORY FOREVER THE FIRST GROUP TO SAMPLE HIS SONG NAUTILUS WAS NOT RUN DMC IT WAS THE LEGENDARY 1980s ULTRAMAGNETIC MCS and THE LEGENDARY DJ 1980s RED ALERT THE NAME OF THE SONG WAS CALL BAIT ALSO ULTRAMAGNETIC MCS CED GEE THE SONG IS CALLED DELTA FORCE BOB JAMES REAL HIPHOP FOREVER
And then Warner's just took the entire RUN DMC catalogue for themselves.
...and then everyone used the RUN DMC logo for their own shit.
So wack how everyone bites the Run DMC logo. There's only one Run DMC.
Remember when Bob James Sued Madlib over sampling?.. Google it Folks. Just google it.
its kinda flattering to be sampled no? RUN DMC clearly felt Bob James music was cool and actually because of that it reached a wider audience. But i agree its a shame RUN DMC & Bob James didn’t collaborate from
the start. Theres very little money in music these days (apart from the top 1%) sadly given Spotify and Apple diluting music purchasing but no ones seems to be suing them for virtually making musicians slaves to their platforms.
Fun Fact. That’s not a sample. It’s Jam Master Jay actually playing and scratching the record on two turntables.
What are your prices. Maybe you’d want to let me use some of your music in my vlogs?
You couldn't do this any other way? I don't know the track and have no idea what they sampled.
So I'm assuming Kwame didn't pay him for using "Look alike" on "The rhythm"
Pay the man already !
Funny how they have the Run-DMC song playing through the whole video without any thought they should be paying them for using it. You sampled it for your own shit