WHAT TO LOOK FOR when choosing your new recorder! | Team Recorder
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- It's time to buy your new recorder - but what should you look/listen for? What kind, which wood? How do you pick one from the masses? How do you test it out? What if it's second hand?
I take you through it all, so hopefully you'll find the perfect instrument for you!
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In this video I show:
- moeck soprano in 440, maple wood
- Yoav Ran alto in 442, olive wood
- Mollenhauer Dream alto in 442, pear wood
- Joachim Rohmer alto in 415, rose wood
- Thomas van Ginneken alto in 415, grenadilla (or palisander? ugh can't remember)
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It’s like that scene in Harry Potter where he’s choosing his wand...
The recorder chooses the player
Yeah
Good morning, I'm a fan of your work. I'm Brazilian but I live in Japan now. I am a Zen Buddhist monk. I studied recorder in childhood and adolescence. Here I study Shakuhachi, Japanese flute. I returned my recorder studies thanks to your channel on youtube. Thank you!
Aí sim mano
Shakuhachi is a great instrument
nobody asked
@lucacutillidrums The whole point of having a comments section is for people to share their thoughts. No one needs to ask.
You're so sweet to hear that you encourage playing the recorder!
Loved the guide! We gotta get into more recorder playing this fall! Thanks Sarah!
As always clear, informative and useful :)
57 years old and staying home like everyone else on the planet.. what a better time to watch this video, get inspired and pick up a recorder again (after what 45 odd years!!)
Thank you for this! I found it very useful.
your videos was so helpful for us who was starting to play a recorder 😊
Thank you Very much for all this infos! (I LOVE your accent! Greatings from Italy)
Sarah- You have the best quality info. on recorders of anyone. Most music shop clerks I spoke to don't know or care much about them. Thank You for all your help! - Bill from Seattle
You’re welcome Bill!
What I would love to know is the differences between Rottenburgh, Stanesby, Bressan, Steenburgen etc please. How are they different in build, design, how they play and so on. Many thanks for all your videos, you are an invaluable resource sent from recorder heaven!
hey, so nice to see the video so early :3
Sarah, your videos are really helpful! Thank you!
I wish I would found your channel earlier... I just missed your recorder course. Would love to attend the next one or take lessons from you.
Keep an eye on my website, and you can find my mailing list there for updates on the next course!
I really enjoy your channel. I am a lute / classical guitar player who is flirting with the idea of playing recorder. Very informative. Thank you and best wishes from Texas.
Thanks for the video and your great enthusiasm for the instruments! I would only have enjoyed it more if you had played each of the instruments you held up to give us an idea of what the different ones sound like. You have definitely made owning one very appealing.
I Love your Videos
❤❤❤ que lindos olhos verdes...
I have a couple of recorders I wish I hadn't bought, but I'm learning to accept their limitations.
I'm teaching myself tenor recorder. I have an abs Yamaha and a cherry Zen-on. Got them both used and on the internet.
Good afternoon. Thanks for all your videos, they really great!. For a person who would like to learn to play the recorder but has no formal musical background just a "good musical ear" would you suggest an an alto or a soprano recorder. And the other question is : The video you have where you teach all the notes was done for soprano recorder or for alto.? Thanks so much for taking time in explaining and hope you have a wonderful New Year.
Oh my God! Beautiful instrument... Oh I'm there again... Am I gonna buy a new instrument now? Or should I stick to learning the piano for now?!!
Hi Sarah, interesting to hear what you said about your Yamaha tenor. I had a similar problem with an alto recorder and Barry from the Early Music Shop put some resin inside the head joint to help the top F come out. You might want to ask him if he can fix your tenor.
Sarah gracias por los vídeos. Yamaha alto o soprano para iniciarse?
thanks
Hello Sarah. Thank you so much for all of your videos. I have a little question. I don’t know which one to choose, soprano, sopranino, alto, tenor, or bass :) I am at the beginner level and I don’t know which one to start with. I’m not aiming to get into an orchestra, I just love the sound and play it just for fun. So I really need your recommendation about which one has the most wide range of all the notes and sounds. Thank you so much, best wishes from Turkey
7:48 I wanna add that if you play low E(alto, hole 8 shaded) all the time, choose a recorder with a flat end D:
Hi Sarah! Thanks for your channel: most helpful and inspiring indeed. Could you help me with this? I'd like to buy an alto and I've got two offers on the table: a palisander Roessler and a palisander Dometsch. Which one would you recommend? Thanks a lot!!!
What about hybrids Ms. Jeffrey? Aren't there ones with wooden head joints and plastic bodies or vice versa? Can one order either the head joint or foot joint separately for plastic models as they are machine made? I found that the foot joint of Yamaha YRT 304B (with C#) fits the older YRT 302B (without the C# key) well without compromising the intonation! Fluke maybe! Harry
Please make a video talking about the voice flute. I don't know about its repertoire and never heard about a plastic voice flute. Also we don't have so many videos here in youtube.
How do the Hohner 9500 series wooden recorders stack up for the money? Maybe compared to the Yamaha 300 series plastic ones? Great videos!
Hohner recorders are very nice for price.
Hi Sarah! I'm afraid I didn't find this all that helpful, because even if a store in my area had a good selection of recorders, I'm a bit of a shut-in and can't go shopping very easily.
The parts that were useful duplicated what you said in "Buying a (wooden) recorder". But I found THAT video extremely useful - based on what I saw and heard, I decided on a model and a wood - a Moeck Rottenburgh alto in maple. I'm in love with it - it sounds really great! I ordered it from Just Flutes in London (I'm in Canada).
Hi, Steve, if you have a store near you, ask them to bring you a selection of recorders. It's been done. For those stores far away, some will send you recorders to try out. Yes, so trusting. Being a shut-in does not need to be an issue. You can even buy several on Amazon, try them, and return the ones you don't like.
I'm am absolute beginner and I've started on plastic tenor recorder.....LM now I've got a couple of second hand woodies....I'm feeling them quite difficult....it's took me 8 months to play a bottom c on plastic tenor.....I e got a plan to get a full wood dream soprano my next pay day...but I'm worried that I love it too much and loose the stretch as I want to get a denner tenor with out a key cos I love the sound of tenors and basses....I'm getting too obsessed it's like being in love
An important point I caught in your video is that the type of music you play matters. If I play mostly church hymns and more traditional religious music, does that narrow down the choices any. I play a Yamaha Plastic Tenor. It's nice but I am considering an upgrade to a wooden recorder. Any thoughts?
Hello. I have an older Japanese plastic Alto recorder which the bottom note is nearly impossible to play with a good full sound. Is this common on the older model yamahas and could you recommend a brand that would have a better low register?
Your links aren't showing hun in your vid. Loved it anyway as always, and blessings to your daughter. 🌷
Thanks for the heads up, should be working now!
sarah please make a review of the yamaha yrf-21 the recorder fife pleeeease pleeeease!!
What a great series!
Um, in one of these videos you demonstrated an instrument
that you called (if I remember correctly) a “recorder/pennywhistle.”
I can’t find it again, but I liked it a lot.
Help?
Maybe in my video on folk ornaments? Or ‘my recorder collection’ (th first one, from a couple years back?)
Do you know anything about "modern" recorders? Recorders such as the Eagle, or Mollenhauer"s Helder, or the Paetzold-Tarasov extended modern recorder (by Mollenhauer)?
By the way: I LOVE your channel. Great job!
or this? in b or es www.blockfloeten-creationen.de/creationen/jazzrec
also maybe this, not sure it classifies as a "modern" one, @Sarah, what might you think about this interesting head of a recorder ? www.geri-bollinger.com/blau
I love those Dream recorders. I ended up getting a soprano and my partner, based on that soprano, got the alto, both in the plumwood. It made a difference for me with the wood, in sound and richness. Those are good, mid-range instruments, and I was lucky to be able to try and buy them locally. My Eagle Ganassi is my fave alto, but I do admit that the Eb alternate fingering plays sharp, halfway between E and Eb, and I have to add a finger for just that alto. Other than that, I'm happy with the instrument, but, yes, I neglected to test the alternate fingering when I purchased it.
Congratulations again on baby, and the new CD!
Thanks! ☺️ And nice to hear about the Eagle Ganassi, I want one!!!!
Here's Adriana Breukink's site; you likely have better access to her stuff since she's in the Netherlands. I'm in the US, and I just happened to get lucky that my local supplier carried them: www.adrianabreukink.com/
mynvision - I have seen the Eagle Ganassi and wondered what it was like since they're a bit cheaper and less heavy than the other Eagles. If you go on her website it's a bit sparse on info at the moment though: I'm sure there was a different recorder available a couple of years back at about half the cost - a kind of Eagle lite - as well as a soprano Eagle - neither appear to be there now???
Our local dealer only had that one Eagle Ganassi, so there was no way to compare to others. But I liked it far, far more than the Mollenhauer Dream Alto, and, for me, because of the keys, it was also easer to play, and, yes, it is quite light. I use it for a variety of styles of music, and it's loud enough to accompany guitar, mandolin or dulcimer. I probably would not have dared to try the Eagle Modern recorders, even if the dealer carried them, as they were out of my price range. In fact, the Ganassi was already a bit more than I probably should have spent, given I don't play pro, but it was worth it. However, knowing that there was an Eagle soprano at one point, I wish I had been able to at least try that as well.
mynvision - this is why I love this channel - information from actual players about instruments is invaluable. Regarding the keys making it easier to play: I really struggle sometimes to play my Moeck Rottenburgh alto as the stretch is difficult for me (I suffer with a chronic pain and stiffness condition which means even constant stretching doesn't really work as my body just seems to spring back as if made of elastic - lol!!).
I have wondered whether the Mollenhauer moderns would be better - I know the keys are not for this, but to enable them to make the bore longer for the harmonics etc. - but they might still help - right? But no one has yet been able to give me an answer.
I really think the Eagle Ganassi might be the best option for me too - so thanks for your reply.
I just ordered some recorders on approval and I can’t wait until they arrive. They are all used, and one is an Adege. I’ve never heard of adege before, but it’s made of olive wood, which I really love the sound of. Do you know anything about adege instruments?
Which one did you choose in the end?
Who knew The Frost School of Music taught me so much
Hi, thank you for the information!
There's a recorder that I'm interested in, all it says on the box is "Concerto - made in Germany" and it has an extra brass key near the bottom. Do you know what that is? Thank you:)
I think I found what it is...a tenor recorder. But can't find anything else on Concerto?
The fingering holes are not in line, they're swept, seemingly to follow the way a hand would lay on the instrument body? I can't find any information on that either!? I think I'm going to buy it anyhow. It's a beautiful piece! Any assistance on figuring out what this is would be spectacular. Thanks again:)
Is there a link?
Great tips Sarah. I don't think any music shop is going to send me 6 recorders to try and think I'm just going to have to go for a good guess if I decide I would like to give the instrument a go. I also don't think I'm going to hear or feel the subtle differences you will but I would like a nice wooden instrument that has the potential to sound pretty after I have played it for a little.
The Early Music Shop in the UK will send out three!!
@@Team_Recorder Probably not to Australia I'm thinking
Get a tuner and use it to test each recorder, play around with blowing pressure to see whether they can stay in tune. Record yourself playing them, then listen to the differences!
One issue that I would really like to see addressed is the state of tree replanting when considering a recorder made from a CITES protected wood. My understanding is the musical instrument makers have been granted an exemption from CITES protection, as opposed to furniture makers, for example. So if one is definately going to remain an amateur, is it ethical to choose grenadilla over pear, for example, when it seems that either could suit the needs of an amateur, and that recorder quality seems to vary much more with the skill and effort of the maker than with the type of wood chosen. I don't intend this as a criticism, but rather as an honest question, btw.
Best recorder for playing metallica?
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sooo... i just got a couple wood recorder to try out from Von Huene. and I'm finding even just regular, lower, notes, are breaking? The way they never did for me with my plastic. I assume I'm gunna have to adjust my air stream/pressure/whatever because its a different material??
Either blowing technique or it could be a "bad instrument". Although, even a beginner should be able to atleast hit the notes.
Also, each instrument is different so you have to adjust to that.
I miss your videos 😲😲
How about resonant tone ones ?
Sarah, thxs! Are these all baroque recorders or not? I can't get baroque recorders easily in shops. 😓 And would like to know which one to get online. 🤗
These are all baroque!
@@Team_Recorder
Thanks for the answer! 👍
Hey Sarah, how's the little one? and how can I see your CD launch concert?
Hey! Little Bodil is good 😄 You can watch the live stream here on youtube (turn post notifictions on) and check my channel at 20:30 Amsterdam time on September 6!
There are recorder shops?
where we can buy a maple recorder
Does anyone know anything about company named Velton? I happen to have a tenor recorder made by this company, its code was given as VPR-48B BK/WH. I wasn't sure if I should buy it but I compared the price to other instruments and it was around the same as some Yamaha ones, so I bought it. It looks and sounds pretty good to me, baroque fingering, two keys, after some practice I can play two octaves on it just fine. But what bothers me is that I can't find anything about the company. They seem to make various instruments and after some searching I found that my recorder is virtually identical to Yamaha YRT304BII. Weird.
can request a new video what is the most beautiful sound plastic davis recorder or plastic yamaha recorder thanks
Can you wear out a recorder and how does this start to show?
You can unfotunately! Video on this soon...
I once saw a video where you did a recorder cover of some minimalist piece using a bunch of different recorders and looping pedals, i cant find this anymore though. It might have been steve reich's electric counter point or something stylistically similar, but im not 100%, the only thing i remember is that i liked it and that i cant find it anymore.. Any tips?
Yes it was Steve Reich’s ‘Vermont Counterpoint’! It will be on my new album, released next week! 😄
@@Team_Recorder ok thanks!
Why does some of the Kung Superio recorders come in two pieces and not three?
Seems much for this pensioner to pick up now. Cheers.
I just ordered an alto rottenbough in grenadilla.....im still shaking 712$.....pay once cry once..ive had a yamaha 314 forever
What about the "dream recorder" from 2:10 ? What is it called?
oh, that’s the name of this brand! It’s called a ‘Dream Recorder’, produced by Mollenhauer. Not just a description 😅
Is it normal for a wooden recorder to have an airy papery sound over the tone? My local music shop has a Moeck Alto Rottenburgh in Boxwood. The proprietor is eager to sell it. She's offering it to me for US$300. It's got quite an amount of gray dust in the tone holes, and the labium is a little gray-looking and dusty. I tried it alongside my Yamaha 314-series plastic Alto, so I know I wasn't hearing things when I heard the extra leaky sound even in the sweet spot of E or D. I'm a relatively beginner player and this is my first time playing on a wooden instrument! I just have no clue if it is irreversibly damaged or just needs a cleaning? The joints are tight and easy to separate.
It maybe just needed an oiling. Did you end up buying it?
Those green eyes...
I love your accent baby 🥰😍😘
These subtitles are killing me.
"I'm a ricotta Blaire" 😳
I need to know more, now! 🤔
Lol
if a maker tells you that the instrument is not so good now but it will improve a lot as you play it, don't buy it and don't walk away, run. A recorder should have its sound from the very beginning, and a good maker should do a break in/adjustment process before hand.
What do you think about buying an old recorder like before second world war?They look brillant.Is it risky to buy them?
That is very true, responsiveness may change though
Is there anything that can be done for a damaged labium(?) I never thought about it before you, but there you are, saying it's a BIG no-no, and my beloved Original Herwiga Chor recorder inherited from my grandmother, has a.....less than perfect labium. I have a picture I can send you, maybe.
I once sent a rottenburgh in palisander to a few different recorder makers, 3 of them said it's irreparable and one other attempted to repair it and succeeded. Apparently he used some kind of superglue, a file and very fine grit sand paper to reproduce a sharp labium!
@@edeka3 Oooh...!!!! That is really interesting and good to know! Do you, perchance, happen to know if it is possible to fix cracks in the wood where the "head" attaches to the "body" of the recorder as well...? Thank you so much!
@@HadridarMatramen you'd have to ask a recorder builder honestly, I know most cracks can be repaired, so I wouldn't be surprised if yours could be, too!
It's a delicate spot but aslong as it's not the area below the cork it should work!
@@edeka3 Thank you!!!! I shall have to see if I can find either a local recorder builder to me, or one I can send pictures to for assessment... I am NOT a professional, and no matter how much I love my old, inherited recorders, I have to stay realistic about what I can spend a possibly sizeable sum of money on when it comes to...well, hobby instruments that were neglected and used more or less as toys by my older siblings and cousins for decades before the instruments came into my hands...
As much as I love them, I must be realistic; they might not be worth repairing. I might be better off saving the money I'd have spent on that, and buy a new recorder of good quality instead.
Thank you for your input and advice! I greatly appreciate it!
@@HadridarMatramen Definitely send them sharp closeup pictures of the labium edge and the crack before sending the recorder to them. It will save you a lot of hassle and shipping cost.
If nobody close to you wants to try repairing it, you could still attempt to repair it yourself, since you've got nothing to lose then.
If it's an expensive recorder it might be worth having it fixed, but usually those repairs are like 50-200€ and you can get a great alto recorder for 400€...
0:33 HOLO EVERYONE!!
Didn’t expect to see another Cristine fan, Holo there!
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Almost time for your next 'Autumn Favourites' video ... hint, hint :)
ahh! is this something people are up for? always happy to oblige 😉
Yes :)
Speaking of “Autumn Favorites,” “Autumn in New York” and “Autumn Leaves” from 1934 and 1947 come to mind. They are two tunes that sound really fine on both the Bb clarinet and the recorder. 😉 ♫
Christopher Tsiliacos - and The Shadow of your Smile sounds great on Alto recorder too. I've been wondering if there are any books with Gershwin's music - not just his songs but other, more orchestral stuff, adapted for recorder. Or anything similar from the same period.
Honeychurchgipsy6 - I agree. To answer your question, there are many good music books that come to mind. The Hal Leonard collection, for example, emphasizes tunes from the “Great American Song Book” throughout the 20th century. I have several of his music books with songs from 20’s, 30’s and 40’s of which I purchased used off of Amazon. Being that they are songs to sing, they are all lyrically written for only a two-octave range. The song books that I purchased are primarily composed in the treble clef, which make them ideal and adaptable for the soprano, alto and tenor recorders. 🎼 ♫
Hello, I would like to recommend the recorders from Kobliczek in Taunusstein, Germany. Christoph Hammann is one of the only, if not the only recorder maker in Germany who still builds the recorders by hand without any automation and will build your recorder to order. The recorders are very reasonably priced and excellent quality. I am not associated, just a satisfied customer.
I was told by a seller that they sometimes have good instruments, but it's like only 1 in 5 are wonderful. Compared to other manufacturers, where the QA is a lot better.
My recorder doesn’t make a high C# and I thought I was playing wrong, but it’s because it is a 5 dollar recorder from 11 years ago 🤣
C sharp is terrific, squeaky all the time 😫
I knooooooow
Do you have a video that addresses things like this? Coming from the bassoon, I'm aware of idiosyncrasies for so many notes, but having just gotten my first alto, I had no idea if those specific notes were instrument-specific, or more general rules-of-thumb.
I think I know what recorder it is.....
All Ixve ever heard are those veeery cheap plastic ones they buy kids to annoy their parents. I never even knew they made wooden recorders. Omgerd the sound is so gorgeous. It reminds me almost of a mix between Bb clarinet and an Oboe. Its such a full sound for a small instrument but the over tone is... bright.
One problem with trying out a new recorder is that they can’t be played for more that 5/10 mins each day for a week, so having a long tryout isn’t really on. If they let me try one for a long time I’d be worried that they’ve let other people do that with it as well.
very good recorders should be already broken in somehow, for instance morgan did broke in/adjust his recorders for at least a year before selling them, that's why they were so good.. so in general that should not be a big issue, if it is, skip that maker ...
Eloy Cortinez - that may be true for handmade recorders but for most of us buying factory made - such as a Moeck Rottenburgh - they come with strict instructions about daily playing in which you ignore at your own risk. I've actually found that my Palisander soprano has taken a couple of years to really sound good.
I asked a recorder maker and they said you can actually start playing till the surface of the block is fully wet.
you talk too much
She's giving advice on what to look for when buying a recorder. What did you expect? How was she supposed to get the info across? Interpretive dance? Telepathy? Get outta here you silly goose.