The Life of "Sugar" Shawn Ray | Full Documentary
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- Опубліковано 31 січ 2023
- He gained a reputation as an extremely polarizing figure in bodybuilding throughout his career, by openly criticizing the judges and some of his competitors. His willingness to stand up and point out the flaws in the system laid the groundwork for what his legacy would become in retirement...A controversial figure.
Bodybuilding legend Shawn Ray is widely regarded by fans and critics as having one of the greatest physiques in bodybuilding history. Over the course of his 14 year career, he competed in 13 Mr. Olympias and placed outside the top 5 once, which no other bodybuilder has ever done.
Shawn's un-politically correct and somewhat un-diplomatic approach to critiquing today's competitors, as well as numerous feuds with legends and members in the community, has cast a dark cloud over his legacy especially throughout his retirement
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Sorry for the poor audio in chapter 1, that was my first UA-cam video and I had no idea how to record a voice over lol. If you can bear to make it to chapter 2, it should be much better listening experience. Thanks for watching 💪🏾
Ronnie in an interview said that before an olympia he felt like he needed to go to hospital.. something was seriously wrong. Chad said drink a gallon water and get on stage. do a video about chad nicholls. Hany is not like this.
He should have won both ‘94 & ‘96 Olympia titles..
@@Jedi_MasterGX nah
They can say whatever about him but he told and tell the truth ,how in the world Dorian Yates won against him with a torn bicep and tricep common that hurts
add in blocky waist crap upper chest...worst arms on stage soso shoulders at best...like they always so though...his back...apparently if u have one superior bodypart that's good enough....travesty Dorian winning over him.
Yates didn't have a torn tricep when Shawn was placing 2nd to him.
Yates was also 50 pounds bigger, twice as wide and more conditioned at the same time.
Sorry not sorry, it's not an abs and V taper contest.
Front lat spread = Yates destroys little Shawn
Side tricep = Yates destroys little Shawn
Back lat spread= Yates destroys no width Shawn
Back double = Yates destroys little Shawn.
That's the reality of things, Shawn was aesthetic and that carried him in poses like the abs and thighs but he simply gave up too much size and width to win the majority of the poses. Don't blame the player, blame the game. Go and ask the IFBB why they created such a mathematical system, don't lash out on Yates, Coleman or whoever.
@@mjlives5428 Oh and also it's not a body part contest and every single pose is judged individually. A torn bicep plays no role in 5 out of 7 mandatory poses therefore the competitor won't be marked down for it.
Why would Yates not win the lat spreads where the bicep is not even visible/flexed? Sure you know the injury is there, but you can't see it in that pose. It's called simple logic, get over it.
@@mjlives5428 ua-cam.com/video/xX71CcE0huo/v-deo.html here's a good breakdown from Tomn8er for all you naysayers. Tomn8er is one of the biggest Ray fanboys which he himself admits to as Ray being his favorite bb-er of all time yet he still gives it to Yates because he understands the bodybuilding criteria and how bodybuilding shows are actually judged. It's a BODYBUILDING contest, not a beach body 6pack contest.
They gave someone with a torn bicep and tricep with a bloated midsection a perfect score even though he was clearly flawed. Especially in the front double bi. And many other poses that would still showcase these undeniable very visible injuries. Even someone as dense as you should be able to grasp such a simple fact. Hell even a blind monkey in the dark could see that shawn ray was better than yates at that particular show.
Sometimes I like Shawn and other time I can’t stand him, but one thing you can’t take away is he had a great physique. I would love to see more documentaries made like this one. Well done and great video.
Undoubtedly one of the greatest physiques of all time! Thanks for watching!
Excellent video.
How many athletes sat quietly at the Olympia press conference knowing what Shawn was stating was both truthful, factual & objective?
Disliked for requesting transparency & fairness?
Shawn made “ mistakes “ as we all do & has been corrected many times by the many; debt paid.
You're right he's paid his dues to the industry and community.
I just want to congratulate you! This by far is the best Shawn Ray career retrospective video on UA-cam I've ever seen! Thanks for the upload and keep them coming sir!👌🏾💪🏾
Thanks for watching bro!!
my personal favorite physique of all time 🙌🏽
Damn near impeccable 💪🏾
Me too my friend
I hope you do a documentary on Dorian Yates!
Shawn was alway my idol growing up. He had the perfect physique.
Na, he never improved, stayed the same
He should have beaten Doran in two Olympias
@@mixalis6168 cause he didn't need to
@@mixalis6168 You can't improve on perfect...if they gonna give it to a guy with a blocky waist..torn tricep torn bicep...wtf is he supposed to do...u bring what works hes perfect.
@@laurence2273 No, he shouldn't have, and didn't.
Please do one of these about lee priest, he has such an interesting story but no ones done a good documentary on him
shawn was my favourite body builder . 2nd was Lavrone for me . great job on the documentary . i loved it . thank you and big respect Large Koffi looking forward to see more of your body building videos .
Thanks for watching brother!! 🙏🏾
This is the kind of video that you have to post more often👌🏾
Much appreciated I’ll stay on top of it. Thanks for watching! 🙏🏾
Such a great video. How about we do Dorian Yates next time? He really seems intetesting
His 97-98 was his best package in my opinion
his '98 package was his worst by his own admission.
"I spilled over by 5 pounds and came in too heavy for my physique" which is why he placed so low compared to other years
You put some good work into this video. Thanks man subscribed keep up the good work 💪🏽
Much appreciated and thank you for watching! ✊🏾
His physique in the 99 Olympia is my all time favorite
Love your videos man keep up the work
Unfortunately bodybuilding today has become something of a grotesque thing. No longer balanced,as it should be. Shawn ray had an amazingly balanced an complete physique. True human perfection.
Yeah because guys like Andrew jacked, Samson dauda, Justin shier, and Derek Lunsford are not balanced
@@TheLordOfPhantasmsthey're not, they look disgusting. Classic physique is where it's at.
Shawn another of the uncrowned deserving Mr. Os along with Nasser and Levrone. All 3 deserved and won at least 1 sandow
None of them deserved to win. Nasser was the closest against Yates in '97 due to his torn tricep but Nasser himself had no back whatsoever, pancake soft glutes and was soft as a bar of soap all over.
ua-cam.com/video/J3qRpOOtMz4/v-deo.html Here's his routine from that Mr. Olympia, this is really bad conditioning.
Ray and Levrone got smoked by Yates and Coleman
Yeah no
Just liked my comment on your Phil video as I’m excitedly in the middle of your Shawn video lol . Again , incredible work man ! Thank you for the content
Shawn had a fantastic symbiosis of muscles and aesthetics. He wasn't a freak like Yates, Rühl, Nasser or Dilett, but he was still the BEST when it came to body building.
Really good stuff. I know these take a lot of work, but I hop you keep them up. You are a 1mm+ sub channel in the making.
I was at the Olympia first row and loved Shawn ray the bodybuilder but when Dorian came out wow! Game over!
Man that must have been an experience watching Dorian come out!! 😳
Great video. Thank you bro
This was very well done. The editing, research and even the voice-over were terrific. With exception of the criticism of him, Shawn Ray would appreciate the professional quality. That said, bodybuilding during the 90s would have been less interesting without him. Also, he clearly had the physique to back up his mouth (Tony Romo probably couldn't do that quarterback-wise, as much, from a consistency standpoint, IMO).
Strong points! Thank you for taking the time to watch and for the feedback ✊🏾
Great Great Great video and analysis. Thank you sir.
For the love of this sports appreciate your work and the time great content Just liked and subscribed
Great video. Subscribed. However he was popped for Winstrol at the 90 Arnold, not diuretics. As he states later in your video. Would love to see you do Yates, Levrone, Wheeler etc.
Nice work on this… Respect! 💪🏼🇺🇸
Glad you enjoyed it
I could watch anything with commentary, especially pro sports. The crowd noise is all that's needed.
bro your comparison of curry unbreakable shot to be a better shooter and bodybuilding with dorian yates meta was on point keep it up.
I died at @27:27 lol. Shawn's face man + the zoom in + menace= 🤣 Great doc man!
Great video! I’ve been a huge Shawn Ray fan. With that said, it’s not always easy
For your first video it was Dope, comprehensive and informative surrounding all the drama and politics good and bad.
Man just found your channel and I'm thoroughly impressed! Do you mind sharing what interface you use to edit?
Hey brotha!! Thanks for stopping and by and showing support. When you say interface do you mean audio interface for the microphone?Or editing software?
@@LargeKoffi I'm glad the algo suggested your vids tbh! And I meant editing software- been using iMovie and Fincalcut bro but your vids look top notch
Damn this could be a movie
Levrone came 17th not 6th in his 2016 comeback.
Awesome documentary
Glad you enjoyed it!
It was well done.
I really enjoyed it.
Very well
Made video sir
i remember calling flex wheeler’s kids “knock offs” straight to his face while interviewing him.
I like the show. I'm 46 and a huge fan. These guys were like superheros to me. I still powerlift and compete. Shawn had a good build. But in the end, when you mute everythhing. Ronnie and Dorian where true kings. Shawn was just a special kind of competitive. He used his mouth and any other tool he had to gain him an advantage. Honestly, he has the perfect classic type of physique. But this is open bodybuilding. All goes! It,s about building massive muscular bodies. Shawn was pretty, but just not muscular enough to win.
Good video.
here's a few takes I'd like to share:
First, everyone is biased to their own physique and TYPE of physique, Shawn Ray had a herculean type physique, he saw bb-ing as art, his heroes and people who aspired him were people who resembled him. Zane, Bob Paris, et cetera. Much of his frustration about size is his inability to understand the judging criteria and how important size and width really is. They are absolute and not subjective. Size and conditioning always have and always will continue to be the 2 pillars of the sport due to that. How can you quantify aesthetics? it's COMPLETELY subjective, so subjective that there isn't even a one shoe for all definition when it comes to that word.
25:30 they did change judges here and there, but it's not the judges who judge Mr. Olympia or any other show who decide the judging criteria, it's the IFBB, the organization itself that organizes these bb-ing contests and employs those judges. The same way no employee decides what is to be done with the company, it's the boss and the board of directors, no?
27:05 Yates tore his bicep in '94, not just before the show in '97. He also looked far better on footage and controlled his midsection. GetBig youtube channel has HD footage of it, for reference.His legs and his back improved also, he was even stronger in the poses he was already sweeping people in.
Next, perfect scores is yet another example of when something is not understood properly. I've heard Flex Wheeler talk about this on a podcast of sorts as well. Perfect scores simply mean that every single judge had Yates in 1st place. Not that his physique was absolutely flawless therefore "perfect". His SCORES were perfect due to every judge thinking that he edged Nasser out in the contest. If at least 1 judge thought that Nasser should've won over Dorian, then Dorian wouldn't have perfect scores.
Lastly, Steve Weinberger only judged the Olympia when Dorian competed a few times, and he most definitely wasn't the head judge back then. He wouldn't be the head judge until very late 2000s I believe.
'97 was really really close, Steve Weinberger himself said that, but Yates simply edged Nasser out in the mandatory poses.
Personality aside, if Shawn had his physique at 5'10+ he would most likely have won an Olympia. Even being vertically challenged he managed to place as high as he did
Wow, great video! Goes to show you y you didn’t need to like Shawn, but at that time you better respect him!
I love and respect Shawn Ray a lot , great great professional guy
Good job on this video
Much appreciated!
Perfect build to me.still go back to this 2024
Yeah. His physique is flawless
We need a Tony Freeman documentary.
He or Flex wheeler & Bob Paris are like the modern Steve Reeves of body builder and how most men wish they were built like or Robbie Robison or Shawn teainer John Brown who shouldve won a few titles
Very good, hope Shawn can see when he's wrong even though he's right about the background stuff that hurts the other bodybuilders.
Ray without a doubt should have at least two Mr Olympia
Sometimes attitude is everything, you can have the best physique around but if yu walk around like people owe you something you ain't gettin shit.
The word is HUMBLE. No matter how good you are, remember were your gift came from.The LORD, Gives a BLESSING, And take it away, if you can not remain HUMBLE.💪👑💪👑💪👑
He was very active on Getbig in the early 2000’s but as much as an agitator he thought he was the superstars of Getbig really leveled him to the point he eventually avoided that forum completely.
Flex wheeler was much like Shawn and I think the one closest to the old school body builder was Cedric who we lost before what I thought he might do one day and that was win a MR.O but now I am hoping Andrew Jack will bring back more balance away from pure size like the best of both worlds small flat waist and balance
Is this Pt 2 of "the complicated legacy of shawn ray | documentary"-?
You missed the point when you said of course Ronnie had no reason to complain when he's winning.... moments after showing a clip of him listing his placings from '92-'97 (15th, 11th, 6th, 9th, etc) and never complaining.
Shawn was right about the judges. He beat Dorian. He was right about Chad Nichols, he was a destructive coach. And, last Shawn's physique was much better than Dexter. Dexter never should have won the Olympia.
if he beat Dorian, where are his Sandows then?
ah yes, let me guess...politics, right? sure think bozo
and Dexter absolutely destroys Shawn. ua-cam.com/video/aB_LMEpO7uI/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Tomn8er
hear it from the biggest fanboy of Shawn himself :)
Bodybuilding wouldn't be the same without Shawn
Shawn Ray is still the closest to truth being spoken in bodybuilding. It's not WHAT he is saying it's just people don't like HOW he says it. I do believe he could have served himself better in being more commentator speaking on what to visually look at ala Phil Heath, BUT...even ARNOLD has been VOCAL pissing off athletes because of the lack of aesthetics in this current era of bodybuilding.
You're going to sit and tell me that some of these guys aren't looking like bullfrogs in the open class when you have classic bodybuilding champion like Chris Bumstead becoming bigger than the sport because of his looks and personality?
Sorry, but bodybuilding as a whole needs to do much better. Guys like Shawn and Arnold are just telling you how they see it.
He had great aesthetics.
Ronnie is the king lol, I loved his response but shawn did have a great point
Him and labrada were my favs
Ray is very intelligent and I agree with much that's said....but he is not very intelligent when it comes to marketing. It's not only about being right but also to get people on your side. He didn't sadly. But man oh man did he deserve a Mr o title
hope you mention his use of mascara and hair piece
It's easy to see you are a fan boy. Yes he had an amazing physique, but you need to understand how the judging works. Yes Dorian will lose to everyone with the front double, but what other pose will Shaun beat Dorian in. He does make so good points, about seen all the judges scores. I think this would be a great thing to have.
They don't get it. So many delusional people who just don't know what bodybuilding is, what the criteria is and how Mr. O is being judged. They see a torn bicep and a good ab pack on Ray and start screaming "politics, he was robbed reeee".
Shawn was giving up 50 pounds of size, a lot of width and even conditioning at the same time. He had no business beating Yates in the lat spreads, side tricep (Shawn's worst pose along with the back lat) and the back double.
@@dj_m1999nasser got robbed and everyone knows it lmao
nasser didn't get robbed and everyone knows it lmao
See, I can do this as well@@gcg8187
Shawn Ray was the clear winner in 94!
Make similar videos on doriyan and ronnie
I definitely will!
"Flexing his metaphoric muscles."
God bless my brother
Uncrowned Mr O
We're also dealing with the SJW Generation and the fact that people can't understand how much better the physiques were in the 90's (pre-internet era) than it is now. Everyone nowadays have twisted history and deleted history in an attempt to glorify the "social media" bodybuilder vs. the "eat or starve" bodybuilder"! Under most circumstances the person who's had to "eat or starve" has always risen to the cream of the crop! Shawn knows this, and others do not!
He's very talented, but he's as close to being Martin Luther King as Johnny Manziel is to being Tom Brady.
Shawn in 94 🤯
Shawn's big ass mouth speaks the truth
As much as I like Ronnie his comment was inferior to Shawn's who raised actual relevant issues
25:30 That is of course unless someone was in the judges ear.
Sean was disqualified in the Arnold for using winstrol v.
I think Shawn was thinking of being the guy to break the story first like so many reporters do but he was wrong he jumped the gun and maybe somebody told him who he thought was a good person but didn't know he was hearing bullshit so sometimes you need to face check and this is a prime example of that think all reporters get told stuff he may think this will get me back think how many reporters get fame for ruining a career thinkblance Armstrong yes that was true but what if it wasn't it could've ending like this but his ego is to big
I feel sorry for shawn and others during the 90s as they had great physiques; but standing next to Dorian who was just as ripped and making others look like midget, especially Ray--the winner was obvious
Clear winner in 96 as well!!
I looked at Kevin levrone face an he wasn't happy with shawn losing to Dorian, Dorian was the first person to not have the physical traits of a bodybuilder an win. A blocky waist is a disrespect to the craft. It was Rigged
Shawn is 5 foot 7. Not 5 foot 6. He is a personal friend of mine
Sorry, I only made it part way through, you're whispering and constant background music made this unwatchable for me.
Dorian Yates looks horrible! He's too massive and with no cuts--what's attractive about that? Shawn had it all--size, balance & cuts. And his posing what exceptional. Shawn was WALKING ART.
Im my mind if there was a perfect body it was shawn if i had a choice and could pick any body in world for myself it would be shawn when he wasn't huge but super conditioned im still trying to have anything close to that body but im dreaming lol still i try
Unless you complain nothing will change of course the champ likes it he is on top now ask the others who are not winning
We need to acknowledge he spoke the truth it's all corrupt it's not a sport that's fair so delusional yates should never have won with torn Bicep tricep etc
I love Shawn. He is a leader, not a follower. He was braver than the rest, and he was 100 % right about everything, and the crappy judging that went on regularly back then. The guy is a bodybuilding icon, and was ahead of his time.
Also, Shawn was right about dallas....
I was a gym rat fresh out of high school for 15 years straight! If anybody knows these dudes to be juicing it's a person like myself that left it all in the gym leaving out with swollen arms and spaghetti legs. Foot trembling on the accelerator trying to make it home. And with all of that die hard work ethic STILL didn't see myself looking nothing like these guys. I was encouraged to join the natural bodybuilding contest though. Which was a bit controversial due to it's title. I guess that in itself spoke volumes. And as far as Lee Haney is concern, I still do not believe he was all natural. If he was then he should have wrote a tell all book by now giving all his "secrets" away with other demonstrators proving his formula works! Haven't seen it. I know guys that was strong as an OX lift 500lbs natural and still didn't achieve the looks of a Lee Haney. I just think they all full of it.
47:08 dude closest to the camera wants to seem intelligent when it comes to bodybuilding by answering the same answer after Phil has already given it. Lol. What a 😂🤡
Hey! That's not SHAWN hitting that guy, is it? If it's not, you shouldn't imply that it is with by putting that in here. Nasty work!
16:08: Extreme gyno
Pay off the judges just like boxing…
I really like your videos but cant help but notice your dislike of Dorian, seems like you're discrediting his hard work and 365 days a year prep for a alsmost a decade like he just got pretty big by accident and won becacause of that. You could say that his last olympia was indeed controversial but keep in mind that only about 2-3 people knew about his injuriy of the triceps. Yes he wasnt aesthethic and yes he was absurdly massive but that's what he worked for, he never aimed to be aesthethic and i think you should give him some credit for achieving that physique with the information he had acccess to. After all, he wouldnt just win 6 controversial olympias in a row without a reason. Again, I really like your videos but I personally think you should give Dorian some credit.
Shawn failed taking winstrol not diuretics
Another 15 pounds and he would have been a world beater WASTED POTENTIAL! lol
Who ever was behind this video has a lot of bias against Shawn ray. Its very clear and evident
Bias "against Shawn Ray"?? I grew up in the early 90's, and was also a bodybuilder who won multiple titles. This was about as "Pro-Shawn Ray"" a video as I've ever seen. I loved Shawn Ray and Flex and Kevin ... and this video does not take away from their greatness.
@Jason Erb it was cool initially and you did show his achievements as a bodybuilder. But what I don't get is why it has to end in such a negative light on Shawn ray with regards to the video he made after the death of shawn. He didn't have to apologise if his words were put out of context and misunderstood by people. His side was only to explain what he meant with what he said. You also made fun of him calling himself as Martin Luther King of bodybuilding. If it wasn't for him none of the real issues were exposed or emphasised in the general public when everyone was just being puss and quiet. Bodybuilding is not just a sport. It's an industry. And like in any other there is politics. He just said things that no one dared to speak about. So if you really got respect as in true respect for your man right there. You should have at least a better SUMMARY to end your video . That's all I'm saying. Why demonise him towards the end
Thanks for the input. The goal of the video was to present the facts about Shawn’s life and provide context to not just his achievements but some of the reasons why he is strongly disliked. I personally love Shawn Ray as a bodybuilder, but can acknowledge that he has gained a rather negative reputation for himself. Whether it is warranted is completely subjective. The end of the video was put in a way that allows the viewer to form their own opinions based on what was presented in the video, you can completely disagree…but the point of the ending was to create a dialogue. Thanks for watching.
Renel looked like a 1998 Ronnie Coleman in the face
Sounds like him