@@keithhooper6123 I have stopped voting.. nothing changes and its just legitimising them. So i have chosen to completely withdraw my consent and instead working against every thing they try and push.
Fyi its always been a bunch of clowns determined to get their trotters in the trough firts. They promise the voters the world and deliver a cul de sac. Lie about everything change policy day by day and then make public appearances to lie about the last lie. Politicians iv shix em.
Car and van manufacturers should simply turn around to government and tell them to 'spin on it'. What can they do? Force them to close down? The public would go apeshit. Get some bloody backbone (manufacturers).
@@inverted_real_it_y it must be obvious by now that someone has given vehicle manufacturers an inconceivable amount of money, they know that there's no future for EVs and threats wouldn't carry any weight because it's only a handful of countries that are following this laughable narrative (coincidentally the same countries that pushed the jab?) So they have the rest of the world to sell there product to, like when the US introduced a huge tax on Japanese motorcycles to force bikers to buy Harleys, Honda laughed at them and just exploited the loopholes. This would be the same so, again, the manufacturers have been bought.
If co2 is halved, all plant life will die and so will we. It's now 420ppm, it has been 6000ppm and the planet's still here. It's 0.04% of the atmosphere and mother nature produces 95% of it. Our contribution to co2 in the atmosphere is like a spit in the ocean. Biggest fraud ever perpretated.
YA ITS A SCAM BY THE ELITE TO MONOPOLIZE EVERYTHING , THE LAST TIME THIS HAPENED IS WHEN THE ELITES FUNDED HITLER TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD , HOPING AT THE END OF IT EVERYTHING WAS OWNED AND RAN BY CORPORATIONS , NOW THERE NET ZERO IS ROUND 2
@@gottliebdee263 OK, here goes.....Net zero is a project that will impoverish the world to try to solve a problem that does not exist. All those facilitating this assault on the people will, in the fullness of time, be brought to account for their crimes against humanity.
Sorry. They know exactly what they’re doing. They’re just pretending to be stupid. As Tony says, they’ll either go broke or they won’t sell us diesel vans. Either way, no useful vans.
They are all being driven by corporate entities who have invested in all this nonsense and need to make a profit. The UK government is becoming or rather has become like the US in other words beholden to stakeholders with interest only in making cash.
The fines will bankrupt the manufacturers, they'll close, we will have no vehicles and no transport. We won't own our own vehicles, we will be happy. We won't be leaving our 15 minute cities. Isn't that the plan anyway
There won't be any "fines" people need to realise that the UK is a tiny island and represents a very small percentage of the market. If it became too difficult to maintain business in the UK companies would simply stop selling their product here and we'll travel by proper vehicles until whoever is in government sorts their shit out.
I drove 3 experimental trucks last month; a 7·5 tonne, a 16 tonne and a 44 tonne Artic. All carrying a full payload. These were high quality trucks: and they were all absolute rubbish. 55 miles range max! Forget it.
@@mikewhitehead50 The jury is still out on the Tesla Semi. Only 1 customer has about 100 of them - PepsiCo - and they mostly haul potato chips (very light) over a 100 mile circuit. The US Government gave Pepsi a $20 million grant to buy 32 Semis ($625K each !) and a $40K subsidy for each of the rest. These numbers make zero sense in a commercial reality. Elon said 2 years ago the goal was to make 50,000 Tesla Semis in 2024...........Elon says a lot of things.
The small sales of EV vans was mainly due to fleet buyers as you say. We have about six small EV vans at work and in my opinion are a total waste of space. When they are on charge, they spend hours just getting in the way. Not to mention how much more expensive they were to buy anyway. Total waste of time. The government really need to focus on more important things such as all the immigrants flooding the country. The government are thick.
And if your offered a lift and don't say no at least your body will only be 70 miles from last point you seen much reducing the search area so the police can concentrate on 'hurty words' policing.
What grinds my gears is that there are all these unsold BEVs that are sitting around because nobody wants them. What an utter waste of resources that we cannot afford. I would much rather have an older petrol/diesel/hybrid that gives you the range you need.
My brother in-law drives a skip lorry moving the skips around from the council recycling centers, he said they have got an ev bin lorry on trial and it's shit, but it gets better, it's also too heavy to go over quite a few of the bridges the old diesel lorries used to go over so they are restricted which routes and roads it can collect from. The company has also swapped it's small vans to EV vans and one of the women in the office has got one, she lives just over 50 miles away from the office and last winter she only just had enough range to get home, he said they were taking the piss out of her when it was cold as she plugged it in as soon as she got to work and it still wasn't charged enough to get her home at the end of the day, he said everyone else fucked off home after work and she was sitting in the cold dark carpark just waiting for it to charge up. She hates the heap of shit because of it's crap range. She was turning up at work all wrapped up with gloves hat and scarf because she said if she has the heater turned up she couldn't make it without stopping. it's laughable how pathetic they are. can you remember being a kid and having a remote control car, wait bloody ages for it to charge up for about a minute of fun, nothing has changed apart from the cars and batteries are bigger.
It's been the strangest and most depressing era for car/vehicle production in history. Too many oversized, overweight, overpriced, with too much unnecessary tech. hideous vehicles. Strange times???
Problem with vans ,if they put a very large battery in the van to get the range of a diesel van they will loose 60% of the load they can carry because of the weight limits of the van, You end up with a Transit size van with the carrying capacity of a ford escort it just dont work.
Labour have said they'll restore the 2030 ICE ban (Shadow Roads Minister, Bill Esterson, 7 Feb 2024). Given the Tory's change to 2035 didn't alter the escalating percentage of EVs from 2024-30, it was mostly about grabbing a pro-driver headline anyway. Manufacturers will just limit the number of ICE vehicles sold to match the quota of EVs, and we'll have sanctioned ourselves into a Cuba-style living museum.
Labour being the kings of U-turn will change the year ban several times. If they still even try and enforce 2035 it will still fail. When the car manufactures find the mass majority still wont buy their crappy EV's in 2030/35, the government of the day will change it and blow so rubbish out of their ass to put it back to 2040, 2045, 2050, etc, etc, etc.
And even that will be best possible figures - knock off 20% for Real Life, and another 20% in winter.... = same range as a 10-year-old Nissan Leaf on its final journey.
I work on them ,and 76 miles is a bit optimistic! Most only ever fully charge to 60miles ,I've looked at 1 that would show a fully charged range of 45miles !,and was told that this can be expected sometimes.
The government mandate of 20% EV sales or be financially penalized is completely delusional. People don’t want the damned things period. I can see manufacturers giving the UK the 🖕resulting in job losses likewise dealers turning to selling used vehicles only.
Maybe manufacrurers could sell unwanted E-vans to each other, then the next year sell them back again. Just dump them in a field to rot or recycle them for scrap? After all, the government doesn't specify who to sell them to. They should get their lawyers onto it now.
Labour will be more eco and fining people than tory. Most of the caz ulez is Labour. As is liveable neighbourhoods would imagine Labour will come down harder on fining and punishing people. See it in labour councils up and down the country.
I was walking my dogs after work a couple of months back during a brief cold snap a chap stopped at the traffic lights in his Tesla I looked at him inside his car and he was wearing a big coat a Woolly hat and gloves, obviously to save the range of his battery,he looked frozen in his sixty grand car how mad is that ,back in the 1970s we had some very cold winters but we were always lovely and warm in my Dads Vauxhall viva , talk about going backwards.
Strange that, as the other day it was quite warm as I was driving back from Wales, I noticed electric cars with their windows open, I even mentioned it to my wife. Now you answered my curiosity why that was the case. They aren't using their AC to save battery range. Must have been quite warm in those cars, as a number had panoramic windows in the roof's.
My boss in Manchester, grab that electric van, there’s a pallet at Wakefield that needs taking to Penrith , and on the way back pop in to the Liverpool depot they’ll have stuff to collect ! This happens on about half a tank of diesel.
When I was delivery driving I would be doing around 250 - 300 miles a day. I was working a 9 hour day including a hour lunch. Could you imagine trying to do that in an electric van.
I do 200 miles a day in a van that has an onboard fridge and freezer, so an electric van would need a range of 400 miles to compensate for the electrical load. Bit of a non starter.
lol only 400mils... hmmmm I am pretty sure that little freezer works harder in the heat, so pushes up the require EV range.. And if we finally get the global warming/boil weather the eco nutjobs keep predicting it will work even harder... EV's for the time being and in the next 10 years are very unlikely too come close to what you current vehicle can do..
I want to know how vans dealt with DPFs. I had a new diesel a few years ago and the Regeneration and DPF blocking was bad. It waited one day until after a 100mile motorway journey to say it wanted to regenerate on a 30limit, then broke. So how do van drivers deal with very short stop and start journeys?
No. They willingly jumped in to bed with Hope not Hate and removed ‘undesirable’ candidates. They are not the answer and I find it tragic that so many people are putting their faith in them.
Reform sounds great but any government is controlled by the WEF check their website out They will tell you themselves what they have in store they have infiltrated most of the important governments in the world It’s not in their interests to go against them look what’s just happened to Robert Fico he went against the narrative
Manufacturer deals incoming! Buy the new Forcedes VitrWeon van, the Transprinter Berlinporter! With a 10mile range, from its 12V car battery, powering a hairdryer pointed out the back. Its made from eco-friendly cardboard, with never-before-seen on a van bicycle wheels for, erm, aerodynamics. Unlike most EVs, this retails for the same as its diesel counterpart! What a savings! Buy this electric van, get a standard diesel one free! Of course the second one doesn't count towards our figures because its not been 'sold'.
50+ yrs ago, I as a 13yr old, worked in the mornings delivering milk to local households. The electric milk floats we were working off, were good for a max 15mph and only good for 3hrs driving at low speeds.
Was at the cv show last week. A saic big electric van had a payload of 980 kg. Not even a tonne and the range was just over 100 miles. I dare say some businesses can make that work, but may be put off by the ridiculous price and horrific residuals.
I was just about to comment when you took the words right out of my mouth at 09:40. Yes, the government don’t give a monkey’s because they know they will be gone in a few months and the next lot will blame the Tories for not thinking it through. Future my arse!
My mate works for DHL, got an electric van last year, within six weeks he was given back a diesel van, the EV van was so bad that he had times when the van couldn’t get up an incline, it massively impacted the amount of deliveries they could do, planning for the days route was a nightmare as having to factor in charging, couldn’t fully load them, was a complete shambles apparently.
I'm not risking my business on a milkfloat, every day something unexpected happens, have to pop out and get bits for a job, have to pop home , have a child needs getting from school early, I can't cope with that kind of range anxiety every day, I need something I can instantly get up and go...not wait hours and hours for an emergency 30 miles range😂 no I'm leaving England now I'm gonna go and live and work somewhere where workies aren't targeted .
I saw the post office removing parcels from a flat EV van to one of their diesel vans a few weeks back,it's no wonder half the country's post is always days late.
At my mates place they go rid of his Mercedes sprinter LWB for delivering parcels around London & M25 due to ULEZ and had too get 3 battery vans to replace it.But now after year & half they workout how much money they spend on Vans,Solar, electric plugin's. They just got rid of all battery van shit & got the sprinter and pay the daily charge
I work on the mobile telecoms network and could do with a small 4wd van but no one does one unless you want a transporter size but thats too big and exspensive for me so ive got a vw 2016 tiguan 4motion with the seats folded for a small van experience..lol 600 miles on a tank of diesel i do about 1200 miles a week up and down the country so electric is a no no. I was at a site the other day in Hull with Openreach and the engineer had an electric vauxhall van and he said its only about 100 miles range. He picked it up from a depot in cornwall and it took him 8 hours to get back as he had to stop 4 times to charge it.. fuck that.
I occasionally see EV vans here but I very much doubt they will be around long. A warehouse near me in the valley has several of the things but the climb up to my town and onwards is a long drag which drops the range, from what the guys driving with a full load say, by 20 miles.
It's even worse than you stated. The March % BE Vans were 5.4% of sales (I know you couldn't see the graphic). I predict the % will continue to track down, along with the price.
I pass Amazon's compound in Trafford Park every night and it's half full of, presumably, grey milk floats. The only company that seems to put up with them is DPD
We had a Renault Rigid Demo 16 Tonner on trial, Was absolutely useless on charge all night so the night drivers couldn't use it and a range that meant it could only go at max 50 miles from the yard before turning back lol
Why pick vans for 20% and NOT hgv's ??? manufacturers are hoping to tell the govt ALL vehicle plants will be shut and there will be thousands unemployed EV my arse 😂 .....NOBODY HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THIS.
I envision a few scenarios. The least likely is for the manufacturers to "sandbag" van production, perhaps a little just knowing how much fine they can pay and still profit. If the fine is based on regional sales and not production, they move sales to markets with looser restrictions. Or they could stop production mid year, causing stock of diesel vans to deplete, leaving only the BEV. In any scenario, what happens to the market will be insane. The beloved ice vans will be worth a mint, and in any scenario, the government will be ready to punish the end consumer for owning an ice vehicle.
My local plumber bought an eTransit. He calls it his £50,000 mistake. Took long to charge, not enough range. He leaves the van at home and uses his diesel car for work. If the EV was a viable solution, the government wouldn't need mandates and legislation to force their sale.
The boss of Stellantis has already suggested they may simply withdraw models from the UK market as a way of trying to meet the ZEVM. The environmentalists might manage what Clarkson couldn't and kill off Vauxhall!
My first job in 1962 was mechanic on a large factory fleet of electric vehicles. They worked well, charged all night on electricity produced in house and worked all day. I was into technology from day one and could see a lot of room for improvement but the system worked quite well. Since then I have looked at the motor industry's approach to EVs and its been all wrong from day one and not getting better.
200 miles would be marvellous, my reality is an indicated range from a full charge of134 miles , with a real world range of about a 100. Future my arse , to coin a phrase.
British car auctions stock of vehicles under 6 months old right now, 49 EV, 30 petrol . The number of nearly new EVs finding their way to auction will increase massively as manufacturers pre register to boost figures.
My Local Citroen dealer in 2021 had a brand new Electric Relay up for sale, £52,000+vat. It had delivery miles only (20) and today it's still there and advertised for £34,000 and still has the same 20 miles on the clock. People who buy vans aren't stupid. In my opinion Hydrogen will fuel the vast majority of vehicles with hybrid petrol coming in 2nd.
I am a parcel delivery contractor. I'll stick to my diesel vans. Fuel up once a week. What's not to love? And oh, I can afford diesel vans on my contract rates.
Hey Tony, there's a big difference between being right wing and being influenced by right wing propaganda 🤷♂️ Hitler's playbook worked magnificently until he overreached and it all went tits up. The same playbook is being used again in Europe and the USA but you're spot on about EVs, keep up the good work 👍
Manufacturers should not of bent over and let the government give them one dry! I see so many ‘workers’ sitting doing nothing while charging. Businesses will fail.
They aren’t interested the government is controlled by the WEF and one of their main objectives is to deindustrialise the west If people don’t believe me simply look at their website Sorry they pull all the strings now King Charles, Starmer , Sunak Truss are all members NET ZERO is the aim . They want you to buy 1 electric vehicle so that will be the last vehicle you own They want you to own nothing and be happy are Klaus Shwaubs exact words . I know no one wants to hear this none of this is mentioned by the mainstream media this is only the start they intend building 15 minutes cities throughout the world so you won’t need a car
A work colleague has a mint condition 2016 Vito that he bought new from Mercedes. The van is spotless, he's a diesel mechanic and maintains the vehicle no expense spared. Mercedes called him a little while back would he be interested in an Electric Vito, they offered him £2k for his van trade in, the new electric Vito? £47k! He's sticking with the diesel.
They tried the pressure thing on with my son when he was looking to get a new van for his business. Not gonna mention the dealer, but in the end he told them no way is an EV van any good for his business as he has a load of heavy plant engineering repair equipment and he has no time waiting around charging the thing up. He got a diesel obviously, from a different dealer. The first dealer refused to sell him a diesel and was phoning my son (harassing him) to buy a EV van even after purchasing the diesel,. I think my son told him to sod off in the end. These dealers are desperate.
A local energy supplier called Octopus Energy (stupid name) bought a fleet of electric medium wheelbase vans, one day when i was driving a convoy of about 40 of these things went passed all sign written up. I pulled into a petrol station the other day to grab a coffee, there was 5 octopus energy vans parked up, 2 were charging and the other 3 were waiting to charge, it was 10am ish. The engineers were all stood around talking and laughing. I went over to have a chat with them, they found the vans highly amusing. They were telling me that they are learning which petrol stations have the busiest chargers so they can deliberately go there and have to wait in a que so they could kill more of the day. I told them well done and keep up the good work.. I dont get my energy from octopus 🤣
I remember in the 1970s and 80s, due to the 'Opec oil crisis', America had a problem with the big gas guzzlers and limited fuel supply. So the government of the day tried to 'persuade' the population to transition to smaller, European style cars. To reinforce that, they introduced restrictions on manufacturers such that a percentage of vehicles sold had to return prescribed miles per gallon figures to bring the overall, across range figures down to an 'acceptable' value or face fines. (Can't recall actual figures!) This was known as Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) and had to be quoted in all sales literature. Strangely, that never seemed to catch on and died quietly under the wheels of highly desirable 'Utes'.
I work for a multi drop company, they're dreading having to go EV, other firms have had trouble, they're crap. Bosses are trying to buy second hand, good condition vehicles, but everybody's searching for them as they've found electric is sh*t. Those that also have refrigeration units are poor in load bearing and distance, so what's the point?
@@doriangray6985 manufacturers/dealers are making it harder for companies to purchase or lease diesel vans etc. Trying to get your hands on a diesel commercial vehicle is a real pain, in some areas they're rarer than a tory voter
They should do a piss-take series of Bob the Builder using electrical vans and diggers etc. Bob the builder can you fix it!!? Post-person Pat and him/her’s frazzled cat. 🐈⬛ 🔥
Some businesses literally load a van with tools and equipment up to its limit on day one and that’s the way it stays for the time that they own it, what is the range going to be in that instance ? 1/2 the advertised range ? Vans only earn their keep when they’re working not charging !
It's an illegal fine, you can not fine someone, or a company for something that someone else has done. And that someone else is the people not buying crap electric vans.
For some businesses at the right price eV vans will be perfect, local deliveries in London, post office letter collection in urban areas. However the usual keep it 3 years then sell on won't work because of the limited Market of 2nd hand buyers. Compared to a SAIC hightop lwb van which my company hired to deliver furniture to central London I was shocked when refuelling that we got 49.6mpg it is diesel and has start/stop. Normally I would expect about 35mpg Peugeot or at best 32mpg and a sore backside from a Ford
General election same circus different clowns.
True,but the people support them.
@@keithhooper6123 Eeeeeeeeeeeerm certain small groups of folk do!!!
@@keithhooper6123 I’ll bet there’s a record low turnout at this general election. Most people are sick to the back teeth of politicians of any party.
@@keithhooper6123 I have stopped voting.. nothing changes and its just legitimising them. So i have chosen to completely withdraw my consent and instead working against every thing they try and push.
Fyi its always been a bunch of clowns determined to get their trotters in the trough firts. They promise the voters the world and deliver a cul de sac. Lie about everything change policy day by day and then make public appearances to lie about the last lie. Politicians iv shix em.
Car and van manufacturers should simply turn around to government and tell them to 'spin on it'. What can they do? Force them to close down? The public would go apeshit. Get some bloody backbone (manufacturers).
Agreed. And if they fine you tell them you ain't paying it and that goes for the public too
What are dealers going to do when the potential customer puts his wallet away and starts walking for the door?
You don't seem to understand that big business/government/media are all the same entity.
Exactly what I said to my friends.
@@inverted_real_it_y it must be obvious by now that someone has given vehicle manufacturers an inconceivable amount of money, they know that there's no future for EVs and threats wouldn't carry any weight because it's only a handful of countries that are following this laughable narrative (coincidentally the same countries that pushed the jab?) So they have the rest of the world to sell there product to, like when the US introduced a huge tax on Japanese motorcycles to force bikers to buy Harleys, Honda laughed at them and just exploited the loopholes. This would be the same so, again, the manufacturers have been bought.
Net Zero is utter bollox
Scotland has recently binned the idea of Net Zero.
If co2 is halved, all plant life will die and so will we. It's now 420ppm, it has been 6000ppm and the planet's still here. It's 0.04% of the atmosphere and mother nature produces 95% of it.
Our contribution to co2 in the atmosphere is like a spit in the ocean. Biggest fraud ever perpretated.
YA ITS A SCAM BY THE ELITE TO MONOPOLIZE EVERYTHING , THE LAST TIME THIS HAPENED IS WHEN THE ELITES FUNDED HITLER TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD , HOPING AT THE END OF IT EVERYTHING WAS OWNED AND RAN BY CORPORATIONS , NOW THERE NET ZERO IS ROUND 2
Please explain your thoughts in detail.
@@gottliebdee263 OK, here goes.....Net zero is a project that will impoverish the world to try to solve a problem that does not exist. All those facilitating this assault on the people will, in the fullness of time, be brought to account for their crimes against humanity.
Shows what happens when idiots who have no idea make the rules.
Sorry. They know exactly what they’re doing. They’re just pretending to be stupid.
As Tony says, they’ll either go broke or they won’t sell us diesel vans.
Either way, no useful vans.
not idiots just corruption on the take!
They are all being driven by corporate entities who have invested in all this nonsense and need to make a profit.
The UK government is becoming or rather has become like the US in other words beholden to stakeholders with interest only in making cash.
The fines will bankrupt the manufacturers, they'll close, we will have no vehicles and no transport. We won't own our own vehicles, we will be happy. We won't be leaving our 15 minute cities.
Isn't that the plan anyway
Manufacturers should just refuse to pay. What right have the government got to destroy businesses!?
It is the plan
Don't pay the fines and make them prove in a court of law that your vans are causing climate change.
Exhibit #1 your honor, climategate emails...
Exactly!
There won't be any "fines" people need to realise that the UK is a tiny island and represents a very small percentage of the market. If it became too difficult to maintain business in the UK companies would simply stop selling their product here and we'll travel by proper vehicles until whoever is in government sorts their shit out.
I drove 3 experimental trucks last month; a 7·5 tonne, a 16 tonne and a 44 tonne Artic. All carrying a full payload. These were high quality trucks: and they were all absolute rubbish. 55 miles range max! Forget it.
Wow !!!!, That's crazy
And then a week to recharge! 🤣
Nice story that didn’t happen. A Tesla semi can do a few hundred miles.
@@mikewhitehead50 The jury is still out on the Tesla Semi. Only 1 customer has about 100 of them - PepsiCo - and they mostly haul potato chips (very light) over a 100 mile circuit. The US Government gave Pepsi a $20 million grant to buy 32 Semis ($625K each !) and a $40K subsidy for each of the rest. These numbers make zero sense in a commercial reality. Elon said 2 years ago the goal was to make 50,000 Tesla Semis in 2024...........Elon says a lot of things.
@mikewhitehead50 are they available in the uk
The small sales of EV vans was mainly due to fleet buyers as you say. We have about six small EV vans at work and in my opinion are a total waste of space. When they are on charge, they spend hours just getting in the way. Not to mention how much more expensive they were to buy anyway. Total waste of time. The government really need to focus on more important things such as all the immigrants flooding the country. The government are thick.
All together now;
If someone offers you a battery operated van...... JUST SAY NO.
And if your offered a lift and don't say no at least your body will only be 70 miles from last point you seen much reducing the search area so the police can concentrate on 'hurty words' policing.
What grinds my gears is that there are all these unsold BEVs that are sitting around because nobody wants them. What an utter waste of resources that we cannot afford. I would much rather have an older petrol/diesel/hybrid that gives you the range you need.
My brother in-law drives a skip lorry moving the skips around from the council recycling centers, he said they have got an ev bin lorry on trial and it's shit, but it gets better, it's also too heavy to go over quite a few of the bridges the old diesel lorries used to go over so they are restricted which routes and roads it can collect from.
The company has also swapped it's small vans to EV vans and one of the women in the office has got one, she lives just over 50 miles away from the office and last winter she only just had enough range to get home, he said they were taking the piss out of her when it was cold as she plugged it in as soon as she got to work and it still wasn't charged enough to get her home at the end of the day, he said everyone else fucked off home after work and she was sitting in the cold dark carpark just waiting for it to charge up. She hates the heap of shit because of it's crap range. She was turning up at work all wrapped up with gloves hat and scarf because she said if she has the heater turned up she couldn't make it without stopping. it's laughable how pathetic they are.
can you remember being a kid and having a remote control car, wait bloody ages for it to charge up for about a minute of fun, nothing has changed apart from the cars and batteries are bigger.
🤣🤣
It's been the strangest and most depressing era for car/vehicle production in history. Too many oversized, overweight, overpriced, with too much unnecessary tech. hideous vehicles. Strange times???
a little bit like the people of today
I 100% agree.
Yup . Summed it up perfectly.
Hay not only cars 😅
And that is just the SUVs and Crossovers.
Estates, please
Problem with vans ,if they put a very large battery in the van to get the range of a diesel van they will loose 60% of the load they can carry because of the weight limits of the van, You end up with a Transit size van with the carrying capacity of a ford escort it just dont work.
Labour have said they'll restore the 2030 ICE ban (Shadow Roads Minister, Bill Esterson, 7 Feb 2024). Given the Tory's change to 2035 didn't alter the escalating percentage of EVs from 2024-30, it was mostly about grabbing a pro-driver headline anyway. Manufacturers will just limit the number of ICE vehicles sold to match the quota of EVs, and we'll have sanctioned ourselves into a Cuba-style living museum.
And with limited support, the price rises. So the costs of everything will rise, to cover the rising costs of vehicles.
The government didn’t really extend the deadline to 2035; the manufacturing deadline is still 2030!
Labour, Tory. Same thing different colours. Whoever gets in nothing will change, we will carry on being screwed.
Just keep your current IC vehicles.
Labour being the kings of U-turn will change the year ban several times. If they still even try and enforce 2035 it will still fail. When the car manufactures find the mass majority still wont buy their crappy EV's in 2030/35, the government of the day will change it and blow so rubbish out of their ass to put it back to 2040, 2045, 2050, etc, etc, etc.
Been offered a T6 electric van - 76 mile range (unladen) 49 miles laden. £46k for the basic entry model. That’s a firm NO from me!
And even that will be best possible figures - knock off 20% for Real Life, and another 20% in winter....
= same range as a 10-year-old Nissan Leaf on its final journey.
I work on them ,and 76 miles is a bit optimistic! Most only ever fully charge to 60miles ,I've looked at 1 that would show a fully charged range of 45miles !,and was told that this can be expected sometimes.
@@jasoneldridge4738 Rather sad. Are those new or used?
Just work a 2 hour day?🤔
That's pathetic 😂
It will be cheaper for them to give the vans away free. Although it would be better to park the unsold evans in Parliament Square.
But make sure that they’re all out of charge first😅😂🤣
@@dbc006 I don't think that will be difficult, lol.
The government mandate of 20% EV sales or be financially penalized is completely delusional. People don’t want the damned things period. I can see manufacturers giving the UK the 🖕resulting in job losses likewise dealers turning to selling used vehicles only.
Bullying and control !!
Won't be long now there'll be a field full of preregistered vans nobody wants.If it hasn't happened already
Its like that already in China.
@@flexairz Yes, I saw the video of that. And oddly enough push bikes. Odd?
"Starmer - Sunak without a tan"
Now I have to clean all that coffee off my monitor. 😅
Brilliant
Maybe manufacrurers could sell unwanted E-vans to each other, then the next year sell them back again. Just dump them in a field to rot or recycle them for scrap? After all, the government doesn't specify who to sell them to. They should get their lawyers onto it now.
I can imagine a scam where they register them here but ship them somewhere else.
Labour will be more eco and fining people than tory. Most of the caz ulez is Labour. As is liveable neighbourhoods would imagine Labour will come down harder on fining and punishing people. See it in labour councils up and down the country.
There is no ''labour'' and ''tory''. UK is a uni party
Labour will bring back the 2030 deadline. Madness!
The Tory party fund the body that Sadiq is chairman of that oversees ulez. Labour will do as they are told. Both are pants.
Starmer is a dictator and life is about to get worse!
Seen Ireland? Do the government want mass rebellion?
I was walking my dogs after work a couple of months back during a brief cold snap a chap stopped at the traffic lights in his Tesla I looked at him inside his car and he was wearing a big coat a Woolly hat and gloves, obviously to save the range of his battery,he looked frozen in his sixty grand car how mad is that ,back in the 1970s we had some very cold winters but we were always lovely and warm in my Dads Vauxhall viva , talk about going backwards.
Strange that, as the other day it was quite warm as I was driving back from Wales, I noticed electric cars with their windows open, I even mentioned it to my wife. Now you answered my curiosity why that was the case. They aren't using their AC to save battery range. Must have been quite warm in those cars, as a number had panoramic windows in the roof's.
That’s the optional Tesla “auxiliary heating kit” 😜👍🏻🇬🇧
My boss in Manchester, grab that electric van, there’s a pallet at Wakefield that needs taking to Penrith , and on the way back pop in to the
Liverpool depot they’ll have stuff to collect ! This happens on about half a tank of diesel.
I had noticed that a VW advert on the radio only mentioned new petrol and diesel cars types, are they getting the message now..
When I was delivery driving I would be doing around 250 - 300 miles a day. I was working a 9 hour day including a hour lunch. Could you imagine trying to do that in an electric van.
They should get together and say to all these European countries and UK FOXTROT OSCAR. CHARLIE UNIFORM NOVEMBER TANGOS
Yep...C.U Next Tuesday
Why should a Government force you to buy ANY product using your own money, If EVs are any good they will sell.
I do 200 miles a day in a van that has an onboard fridge and freezer, so an electric van would need a range of 400 miles to compensate for the electrical load. Bit of a non starter.
lol only 400mils... hmmmm I am pretty sure that little freezer works harder in the heat, so pushes up the require EV range.. And if we finally get the global warming/boil weather the eco nutjobs keep predicting it will work even harder... EV's for the time being and in the next 10 years are very unlikely too come close to what you current vehicle can do..
I've been a carpenter 40 yrs I'll stick to my diesel vw transporter 👍
Until Liebour get in and take it off you by force.
I want to know how vans dealt with DPFs. I had a new diesel a few years ago and the Regeneration and DPF blocking was bad. It waited one day until after a 100mile motorway journey to say it wanted to regenerate on a 30limit, then broke.
So how do van drivers deal with very short stop and start journeys?
500 mile range down to 1/4 tank in mine 👍🏻🇬🇧
One of the funniest things I saw was a van emblazoned with EV charging installation services, but the van was a diesel one HAHAHA
Reform👍
Controlled opposition sadly and watch UK column news for the facts and Agenda's coming soon.
No. They willingly jumped in to bed with Hope not Hate and removed ‘undesirable’ candidates. They are not the answer and I find it tragic that so many people are putting their faith in them.
Any party is an establishment comprimised party. Politics is for the jabbed voters.
Reform sounds great but any government is controlled by the WEF check their website out They will tell you themselves what they have in store they have infiltrated most of the important governments in the world It’s not in their interests to go against them look what’s just happened to Robert Fico he went against the narrative
I emailed them other day to see if they were going to field a candidate in my area-still waiting for a reply
Future my arse
Things in the future improve. Watch yourself being proven wrong.
Manufacturer deals incoming!
Buy the new Forcedes VitrWeon van, the Transprinter Berlinporter!
With a 10mile range, from its 12V car battery, powering a hairdryer pointed out the back. Its made from eco-friendly cardboard, with never-before-seen on a van bicycle wheels for, erm, aerodynamics.
Unlike most EVs, this retails for the same as its diesel counterpart! What a savings!
Buy this electric van, get a standard diesel one free!
Of course the second one doesn't count towards our figures because its not been 'sold'.
It’s actually 10% for vans this year, not that it makes a shite of difference
WHAT A LOAD OF B/S IS BEING SHOVELLED ON US ALL.
50+ yrs ago, I as a 13yr old, worked in the mornings delivering milk to local households. The electric milk floats we were working off, were good for a max 15mph and only good for 3hrs driving at low speeds.
Was at the cv show last week. A saic big electric van had a payload of 980 kg. Not even a tonne and the range was just over 100 miles. I dare say some businesses can make that work, but may be put off by the ridiculous price and horrific residuals.
I was just about to comment when you took the words right out of my mouth at 09:40. Yes, the government don’t give a monkey’s because they know they will be gone in a few months and the next lot will blame the Tories for not thinking it through. Future my arse!
There are 500 maxis vans parked up at Marchwood on Southampton Water, I have only seen one convoy of 6 vans leaving the site
There won't be enough Lithium to power all the EVs needed to get to NET ZERO by 2035-2040
There won't even be enough copper to make the motors and especially the cabes for all the necessary extra super chargers and modified grid..
Or electric 😮😮😮😮😮
My mate works for DHL, got an electric van last year, within six weeks he was given back a diesel van, the EV van was so bad that he had times when the van couldn’t get up an incline, it massively impacted the amount of deliveries they could do, planning for the days route was a nightmare as having to factor in charging, couldn’t fully load them, was a complete shambles apparently.
RS " Roland rat " without a tan, 😂
I'm not risking my business on a milkfloat, every day something unexpected happens, have to pop out and get bits for a job, have to pop home , have a child needs getting from school early, I can't cope with that kind of range anxiety every day, I need something I can instantly get up and go...not wait hours and hours for an emergency 30 miles range😂 no I'm leaving England now I'm gonna go and live and work somewhere where workies aren't targeted .
I saw the post office removing parcels from a flat EV van to one of their diesel vans a few weeks back,it's no wonder half the country's post is always days late.
...you mean Royal Mail... Post Office is something totally different in 2024
Well I certainly learned one thing for sure;EV’s are Shit..
I was wondering what had happened to you.I was a bit lost .Glad to see normal service resumed.😂
Great vids
At my mates place they go rid of his Mercedes sprinter LWB for delivering parcels around London & M25 due to ULEZ and had too get 3
battery vans to replace it.But now after year & half they workout how much money they spend on Vans,Solar, electric plugin's. They just got rid of all battery van shit & got the sprinter and pay the daily charge
The night truckers running from depot to supermarkets are on timed delivery, miss the time slot and your screwed. A full load dark cold nights. 😮😮
The markets will ultimately decide not politicians!
Until the government’s ranger overs are leccy I'm not interested in leccy. Great channel
I work on the mobile telecoms network and could do with a small 4wd van but no one does one unless you want a transporter size but thats too big and exspensive for me so ive got a vw 2016 tiguan 4motion with the seats folded for a small van experience..lol 600 miles on a tank of diesel i do about 1200 miles a week up and down the country so electric is a no no. I was at a site the other day in Hull with Openreach and the engineer had an electric vauxhall van and he said its only about 100 miles range. He picked it up from a depot in cornwall and it took him 8 hours to get back as he had to stop 4 times to charge it.. fuck that.
Elon's next venture will be a company that converts unwanted EVs to ICE powered usable vehicles 😉
lol
Yeah, and I bet people would still be stupid enough to buy them!
He's missed that bus, already happening in the USA, LS3 V8's no less...
He did try doing a diesel, government shut him down...
Ive been waiting for the kits to come out to convert Teslas to gas! A genny in the trunk?
I occasionally see EV vans here but I very much doubt they will be around long. A warehouse near me in the valley has several of the things but the climb up to my town and onwards is a long drag which drops the range, from what the guys driving with a full load say, by 20 miles.
It's even worse than you stated. The March % BE Vans were 5.4% of sales (I know you couldn't see the graphic). I predict the % will continue to track down, along with the price.
I pass Amazon's compound in Trafford Park every night and it's half full of, presumably, grey milk floats. The only company that seems to put up with them is DPD
it's OK.. the Royal mail will buy them...
You'll never get another letter then
@@pippip8744Have them in Braintree average range 30 miles.....Lol
You're spot on Buddy.
I Dailly a 32 year old car plan is to keep it running long as possible
Much same got two cars from 1993 on the road lol
We had a Renault Rigid Demo 16 Tonner on trial, Was absolutely useless on charge all night so the night drivers couldn't use it and a range that meant it could only go at max 50 miles from the yard before turning back lol
So much truth in such a short video.
Fines means loss making, tax breaks, job losses, not going to improve tax revenue overall.
Why pick vans for 20% and NOT hgv's ??? manufacturers are hoping to tell the govt ALL vehicle plants will be shut and there will be thousands unemployed EV my arse 😂 .....NOBODY HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THIS.
1.40 that bike is so fast I didn't even see it!
1.42 :)
I envision a few scenarios. The least likely is for the manufacturers to "sandbag" van production, perhaps a little just knowing how much fine they can pay and still profit. If the fine is based on regional sales and not production, they move sales to markets with looser restrictions. Or they could stop production mid year, causing stock of diesel vans to deplete, leaving only the BEV. In any scenario, what happens to the market will be insane. The beloved ice vans will be worth a mint, and in any scenario, the government will be ready to punish the end consumer for owning an ice vehicle.
Who would want a Cyber Urinal that breaks when you wash it or drive it in the rain? And then Tesla blames you for making it wet, so no warranty claim!
My local plumber bought an eTransit.
He calls it his £50,000 mistake.
Took long to charge, not enough range.
He leaves the van at home and uses his diesel car for work.
If the EV was a viable solution, the government wouldn't need mandates and legislation to force their sale.
The boss of Stellantis has already suggested they may simply withdraw models from the UK market as a way of trying to meet the ZEVM. The environmentalists might manage what Clarkson couldn't and kill off Vauxhall!
It's just a brand now anyway...only make rebadged peugeot vans now!!
My first job in 1962 was mechanic on a large factory fleet of electric vehicles. They worked well, charged all night on electricity produced in house and worked all day. I was into technology from day one and could see a lot of room for improvement but the system worked quite well. Since then I have looked at the motor industry's approach to EVs and its been all wrong from day one and not getting better.
Great video. Stockpile is the word. Where are they all being stored?
200 miles would be marvellous, my reality is an indicated range from a full charge of134 miles , with a real world range of about a 100. Future my arse , to coin a phrase.
great video....as always
British car auctions stock of vehicles under 6 months old right now, 49 EV, 30 petrol .
The number of nearly new EVs finding their way to auction will increase massively as manufacturers pre register to boost figures.
I will have a cheap EV for going to work and shops etc. I only do 15miles a day, so it is ideal. All in 30 and 40limits, so no need for 155mph!
@@OH2023-cj9ifyou’re the ideal customer for an EV, but a large proportion of the motoring public aren’t.
My Local Citroen dealer in 2021 had a brand new Electric Relay up for sale, £52,000+vat. It had delivery miles only (20) and today it's still there and advertised for £34,000 and still has the same 20 miles on the clock. People who buy vans aren't stupid. In my opinion Hydrogen will fuel the vast majority of vehicles with hybrid petrol coming in 2nd.
These fines will no doubt be put on the cost of a new vehicle (all power options)
I am a parcel delivery contractor. I'll stick to my diesel vans. Fuel up once a week. What's not to love? And oh, I can afford diesel vans on my contract rates.
The only thing I charge up that actually last 3 months, is my nasal hair trimmer..!!
Brilliant video 👍
Day van Hire, Dutch van company 😊. We use them all the time for our Vehicles. 👍
Hey Tony, there's a big difference between being right wing and being influenced by right wing propaganda 🤷♂️
Hitler's playbook worked magnificently until he overreached and it all went tits up.
The same playbook is being used again in Europe and the USA but you're spot on about EVs, keep up the good work 👍
Spot on about the Tesla Cybertruck.
Manufacturers should not of bent over and let the government give them one dry!
I see so many ‘workers’ sitting doing nothing while charging. Businesses will fail.
They aren’t interested the government is controlled by the WEF and one of their main objectives is to deindustrialise the west If people don’t believe me simply look at their website Sorry they pull all the strings now King Charles, Starmer , Sunak Truss are all members NET ZERO is the aim . They want you to buy 1 electric vehicle so that will be the last vehicle you own They want you to own nothing and be happy are Klaus Shwaubs exact words . I know no one wants to hear this none of this is mentioned by the mainstream media this is only the start they intend building 15 minutes cities throughout the world so you won’t need a car
You should see an airfield near me gradually filling up with ex lease EV s no one wants them
A work colleague has a mint condition 2016 Vito that he bought new from Mercedes. The van is spotless, he's a diesel mechanic and maintains the vehicle no expense spared. Mercedes called him a little while back would he be interested in an Electric Vito, they offered him £2k for his van trade in, the new electric Vito? £47k! He's sticking with the diesel.
sunek without a tan 😂😂😂😂😂brilliant !
Great purchase, throw a generator in the back and you're sorted.
And you could legally run a generator on red diesel 👍🏻🇬🇧
Noone is buying ANYTHING especially EV battery cars. Schwab will be very pleased. This is what they intended in the first place.
Ah glad to see someone knows the truth keep on putting the truth out It’s on the WEF website they are hiding in plain site
They tried the pressure thing on with my son when he was looking to get a new van for his business. Not gonna mention the dealer, but in the end he told them no way is an EV van any good for his business as he has a load of heavy plant engineering repair equipment and he has no time waiting around charging the thing up. He got a diesel obviously, from a different dealer. The first dealer refused to sell him a diesel and was phoning my son (harassing him) to buy a EV van even after purchasing the diesel,. I think my son told him to sod off in the end. These dealers are desperate.
Well said, good video as usual 🎉
A local energy supplier called Octopus Energy (stupid name) bought a fleet of electric medium wheelbase vans, one day when i was driving a convoy of about 40 of these things went passed all sign written up. I pulled into a petrol station the other day to grab a coffee, there was 5 octopus energy vans parked up, 2 were charging and the other 3 were waiting to charge, it was 10am ish. The engineers were all stood around talking and laughing. I went over to have a chat with them, they found the vans highly amusing. They were telling me that they are learning which petrol stations have the busiest chargers so they can deliberately go there and have to wait in a que so they could kill more of the day. I told them well done and keep up the good work.. I dont get my energy from octopus 🤣
I remember in the 1970s and 80s, due to the 'Opec oil crisis', America had a problem with the big gas guzzlers and limited fuel supply. So the government of the day tried to 'persuade' the population to transition to smaller, European style cars. To reinforce that, they introduced restrictions on manufacturers such that a percentage of vehicles sold had to return prescribed miles per gallon figures to bring the overall, across range figures down to an 'acceptable' value or face fines. (Can't recall actual figures!) This was known as Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) and had to be quoted in all sales literature. Strangely, that never seemed to catch on and died quietly under the wheels of highly desirable 'Utes'.
A guy I know drives for DPD his van does 87 miles max, I work in construction and do about 400 miles per week, they are a non starter
And thats a van laden with near enough empty boxes. Get some real world materials and tools in it and watch the miles plummet.
Surprised that any are being purchased at all lessons should have been learnt
I work for a multi drop company, they're dreading having to go EV, other firms have had trouble, they're crap. Bosses are trying to buy second hand, good condition vehicles, but everybody's searching for them as they've found electric is sh*t. Those that also have refrigeration units are poor in load bearing and distance, so what's the point?
Why would they have to go EV?
@@doriangray6985 manufacturers/dealers are making it harder for companies to purchase or lease diesel vans etc. Trying to get your hands on a diesel commercial vehicle is a real pain, in some areas they're rarer than a tory voter
They should do a piss-take series of Bob the Builder using electrical vans and diggers etc.
Bob the builder can you fix it!!?
Post-person Pat and him/her’s frazzled cat. 🐈⬛ 🔥
Some businesses literally load a van with tools and equipment up to its limit on day one and that’s the way it stays for the time that they own it, what is the range going to be in that instance ? 1/2 the advertised range ? Vans only earn their keep when they’re working not charging !
It's an illegal fine, you can not fine someone, or a company for something that someone else has done. And that someone else is the people not buying crap electric vans.
For some businesses at the right price eV vans will be perfect, local deliveries in London, post office letter collection in urban areas. However the usual keep it 3 years then sell on won't work because of the limited
Market of 2nd hand buyers.
Compared to a SAIC hightop lwb van which my company hired to deliver furniture to central London I was shocked when refuelling that we got 49.6mpg it is diesel and has start/stop. Normally I would expect about 35mpg Peugeot or at best 32mpg and a sore backside from a Ford
I love the Tony Videos; (unlike the winners podium at a women’s swimming event), Tony’s videos contain zero bollocks. 😁
If the manufactures are canny they'll have put a buffer company between them and the sales so that when the tax is due that company goes bust.
The reason we are all seeing a huge increase in new cars AND commercial vehicles costs is due to manufacturers doing there EV development..