Here's How the New Rivian EV Van Compares to Ford, Mercedes & Brightdrop Electric Vans
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
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last mile delivery is the perfect use case for EVs
They're regularly out here towards the Olympic Mountains, 40+ miles round trip from the distribution center. I've seen them as far out as 40 miles (80 miles round trip). They're definitely more capable than simply driving around suburban neighborhoods.
I saw one of these Amazon Rivian vans last week. That thing was much bigger than I thought.
I saw a Rivian pickup today. Much smaller than I thought. Strange.
@@ArtOfHealth Seen two, far away. Did you expect it to be F-150-sized, but it turned out more Tacoma-sized?
It was designed for Last mile/Local delivery, and it does that really well. With time they may develop them further as the technology progresses for more purposes. Urban areas are all gonna start implementing congestion charges on these types of vehicles these are probably will be exempt.
In other words they need subsidy to compete. In the end this strategy always fails
Stellantis has several vans in Europe under the Opel, Fiat, Peugeot brands. The most interesting is the Fiat E-Ducato with a 110kwh battery and an estimated WLTP range of over 250 miles. This could be the car that will be sold in the US market under the RAM brand.
The Ford E-Transit gets better range than that I feel. I work for AAA and am the head of my club's EV department; our USA first ever EV was a 22 high-top E-Transit. Ford tested the van at 50% of it's payload. I drove the van for about 1.5 years, ~22k miles. We ran it at about 20~25% of it's payload capacity and I was getting closer to 150 miles of range above 60F degrees. Closer to 105-127mi in the cold depending on the temp. Lowest temp we recorded was -15F. Being roadside we also had extras on like strobes that ran while "idle" on a service call and an air compressor. I think I averaged 2.3/mpkh if I recall.
Was that the 2023 67v battery? The 2024 has the 89v battery and it gets 159 miles with a low roof on a warmer day. Help me out please. I am buying something this week! I really have to make a wise decision! Wife thinks I am looney.
@@ArtOfHealth I drove a '22 with the 67kWh battery. Low roof will be more aerodynamic.
In my experience, I was doing lower speeds usually being a service truck. Highway kept it to 55mph usually (speed limit here).
I also did a lot of route altering, choosing the shorter, lower speed route instead of fastest. Sometimes you can save 8-10 miles at the cost of like 5 mins of time.
Of course, your mileage will vary depending on your driving habits, payload, routes (highway vs city) etc.
Over 36,000 miles on my E Transit medium roof in aboit 16 months now
Are you happy? Is that the 2023 with 125 mile range? Thank you!
In my area of northern NJ, practically all the Amazon delivery vans have been replaced with these. They started appearing in the summer time and now every time I get something delivered they show up in one of these. Of course I do live in Tesla territory Bergen County.
As for the price, well for starters the $7,500 tax credit does apply here. And if you have a fleet of say 5-10 of these, it may be worth it considering the gas and oil change savings. When you buy in bulk, the numbers add up fast.
Long distances in US are probably more than in EU. My EV camper has 300km range on secondary roads.
Only first 300 is a stretch I do to get into the nice outdoors. Rest is over the duration 4-5 hours touring the sceneries. So a 250-300km is no issues for an RV.
The Rivian EDV currently, to my knowledge, used the LFP pack only. This is the standard pack which will eventually make its way into the R1S and R1T. If Rivian put their large pack in the EDV you would likely have over 200 mi range and much faster DC Fast Charge speeds
These are perfect for deliveries and local jobs around town and city. With stop and go they go all day long. They charge it at night using cheap overnight rates and have a full charge in the morning, so they are saving a ton on fuel (the payback period for a business -- especially one with solar at sites -- is very short). The drivers absolutely love them. Some even plug them in while having a lunch break if they're near a charger just because. The only complaint I've heard is the fan in the cargo area is very loud. Although those were early versions, so hopefully Rivian has improved that by now.
By the way, Winnebago is working on an electric RV that is on the pilot stage right now with regular people driving them and providing the feedback.
Great video! Can’t wait to see campers made out of all of these. Need NACS, too!
Also, check out Maxwell Vans.
They take old Promasters, pull out the engines, put in an electric motor with old Tesla batteries and I think it costs around $50k for the conversion with around a 200 mile range.
Being an Amazon driver, I can guarantee we're not sitting in our butts all day lol
You work those butts!
In Europe we are getting lots of chinese electric comercial panel vans, 200 kilometres range, 135 miles, lots of space, easy to drive, but the most important thing they are cheaper than the european models and five year battery warranty.
On a road trip, I recently encountered someone driving an eTransit across the country. (Small “local delivery” company that was moving one from one of their markets to another. The guy, one of their drivers, thought it drove great, but the slow recharging with low range was annoying - and his daily driver was an EV, although I forget which one. Hyundai/Kia something IIRC.)
Great video
Thank you
I am a fan of Canoo they are just starting to deliver some vans for Walmart.
I hope they make it. The CEO appears to be wasting big bucks on frivolous stuff.
There is more to fleet vans then delivery / Vanlifer services.
Many tradesman use vans, like myself, an HVAC repairman.
I have a Tab 400 travel trailer that I pull with my model y.
Works great and a lot cheaper than an ev van in cost and insurance.
I get about 120 miles of range but I charge every 70- 90 miles and I charge my car at the camp grounds. I love it.
I’m trying to get my nerves up to rake a winter trip. I live in Minnesota so that will be dicy.
Ford needed to come out with AWD monster van asap, with add on battery pack and 800V system, 400 miles.
If you want a promaster E van , check out Maxwell retro fit out of California . They will take what ever promaster you have a do a E van conversion
It's still set up for delivery that has features that don't make sense for camper vans. Seating, doors, and some other minor stuff, really show it's built for delivery. The Mercedes vans, RAM Pro, GM vans are general commercial vans that are lightly modified to do anything.
So I wouldn't really want to get the Rivian and concert it to something RV like. In the future, if they offered different doors/seats, and larger battery pack for general use, that would work.
I would also like to see if RAM could offer a new van based off the 1500 truck chassis with the Ramcharger Powertrain. That would allow for an incredible RV experience, especially for overlanders.
I would love to see you guys do a piece on Aptera. While not intended as a delivery vehicle, it has a surprisingly large cargo area (obviously much smaller than any van rhough) and will cost a fraction of any of these vans, but with considerably more range. Operating costs would be tiny in comparison as well. It is a passenger vehicle primarily, but I know they are targeting fleets as well. This is the electric vehicle that I am personally most excited about. It is a startup, but im really hoping they make it to production.
I doubt it would have any payload ability. Isn't it only a 2 seater? Maybe for local deliveries, takeaways etc. they could develop a larger vehicle for this, however.
@@johans7119 oh yeah, the payload is pretty minimal. Like 500 lbs. Definitely not suggesting this could outright replace the vans. I think it could help augment them though. Small shops with a few deliveries. It could also be great for delivering to rural communities where you need to travel far to get to just a handful of places. They plan to have a thousand mile version. For situations like this, you couldn't do it any more economically. This is the pinnacle of efficiency.
Also excited about Aptera. Been following their updates on UA-cam
Motorcycle class. I too really think they found a niche. But as for 10s of 1000s of sales, I am not sure. I appreciate the fire in their gut to succeed!
The Grounded G2 RV is currently available. It's built from a BrightDrop van and costs about $200k. Their customer service rep told me there is about a 3-month lead time for new orders.
Business application for city contracts is where EVs shine. Hoping electric vans do well. Maybe contractor only fully electric long bed Mavericks are next.
I finally saw one of the rivian electric vans in Austin last week. Hadn't seen one til then.
In Europe I’ve seen a company that makes modular units that turn vans into campers
There is the Grounded G2 electric camper that is based on the Brightdrop Zevo 600
I personally can't afford any of this stuff lol, in between jobs right now....but that thing looks pretty cool. 🙂
Canoo having problems? I love the canoo.
Looks cool AF. That's the future I'd like to live in. Not the crazy dystopian cyber truck.
Agreed, I hope Canoo makes it. It's a cool concept.
Andre and Nathan,
Thanks for the look at these!! Rivian has said they are working on updating their battery pack to simplify build, and presumably improve energy density.
It’d be pretty cool to see more competition in the van sector so, EVENTUALLY campers would be feasible.
What are the engineering problems that prevent coverage of the large outside surfaces with solar panels to increase range?
Not worth the money and weight for something so big because the benefit will be so small.
Would be good for accessory power when camping but wouldn’t add much range.
تعاملت شركة Rivian بعنصريّة مع ابني كعامل في الشّركة بسبب خطأ بسيط منه قد يرتكبه أي سائق على ظهر الأرض ..
من أمّ حزينة جدًا لهذا الظّلم ... 💔
Does anyone know how well range holds up when loaded down in the vans? As we all know electric trucks suffer from severe battery drain when towing heavy loads. I would think a van or fedex van loaded down with lots of packages or if it becomes a work van, loaded down with tools etc. Any clue?
It is going to be terrible especially in the cold. Time will tell.
Its actually not really the weight that causes the range to drop with EVs. Its the aerodynamics with a trailer. It would be interesting to see how much of a difference it makes though. Doing a test with one fully loaded and one empty would be interesting.
I'm going to guess driving in the city gives way more range. Even hybrids get way better mpg in the city vs high way. It's the opposite of an ice car. I can barely get 20mpg in the city but close to 40 on the freeway on a ice car.
Not a problem at all because all the stop and go around towns and cities recharges the battery when the motors turn into generators when slowing for a stop. The added weight really helps the regen. Plus they use zero energy when stopped compared to an ICE that is always burning fuel.
@@stevelouie5928That does not apply in electric. City or highway, 100 miles is 100 miles.
Arrival and volta trucks could be a option if , as Canoo, solve their problems
I like the Canoo truck or van. Looks super future compared to the ugly cyber truck.
I've been driving these for Amazon for going more than last 6 months. I would say using these as a camping van is a really bad idea. In the winter here in the Midwest the battery life kills the batteries. We'd get a 145 miles on a charge when we got them but now it's around 110. Plus the amount of weight on vehicle drastically changes the battery consumption. On top of which around here the closest service center is an hour and a half away. Definitely not feasible.
The Rivian van price, yes, pricy but these things are intended as a work vehicle to make money. I have a E-Transit high roof as a work vehicle (60K new) as it fits my needs perfect. The range isn't as far as my older van but my efficiency/mpg is much higher and the range is plenty. My cost to recharge for the range vs gas in my previous van is so much better it's not even funny. I own a Level 2 charger so my E-Transit hasn't seen a fast charger paying the higher charge rates. I average around 2.5 mpkh which is great with a decent amount of weight in the back. I'm not in an electric van to "save the planet" nor do I think we should be forced into an electric future. We need options because different vehicles suit different needs and there is no true "green" solution no matter what you choose. I have other service vehicles which are all gas.
Rivian and Brightdrop are purpose built vans, Transit and Sprinter are multipurpose vans, so it's not the direct comparison. Maybe in the future Rivian and GM will offer other versions of these vans, more suitable for camper conversion duty.
Why do those things have solar panels on the roof.
Good overview of the electric van market in the US. Great job TFL! Personally, I like the Sprinter the best. Long range (maybe 200 mi EPA?), available to individual buyers, and based on the proven Sprinter chassis. Lots of Mercedes tech features, and price is reasonable for what you get.
I have both a Rivian R1S (home) and a Ford eTransit (work) and love them both. After seeing the way the Tesla did the drive by wire steering (front and rear) on the Cybertruck, I gotta say the Rivian van is already looking a little outdated. The rear steering would work great for a long wheelbase van. If I was building out a camper van, my checklist would be AWD, ~150 kwh LFP battery, VTG/VTH, 9.6kw or more of power outlets, access to Tesla Super Charger network, a dedicated passenger seat, regular front doors, and rear steering.
Bright drop vans are HEAVY truckers have said only 2 will go on a standard car hauler due to weight
totally unrelated to EVs but if you ask me Congress should require vehicles like this to have an onboard chemical toilet so companies like Amazon can't put people in situations where they can't use the bathroom (btw, USPS drivers have the same issue...).
Only $90k? I'll take 1000 of 'em for my gold bar delivery service....
Be no good for gold delivery. Too heavy as it stands.
Brand new Mercedes sprinter is 75-80k. These vans are not cheap.
@@therealcdnuserExacty. Sprinter cargo vans already cost almost as much. Surprised the Rivian didn’t cost more tbh
The lifecycle cost will be much lower than ICE vans with fuel costs and service cost factored in.
@@Rx100VxI agree.
Rivian is great!
I just don't understand the logic of not throwing a huge battery into a van? People are spending 250k for gas powered vans.
I’m curious about the XOS Step Van EV as well. It looks really well made and would be an interesting upfitting option given its space and payload capacities🤔
Very cool van compared to traditional delivery van rivian truck and SUV got good ranged compared to other EV some of them go for almost 350 to 400 miles but 150 miles is to low for the price they could made a 300 mile van for personal use and not for business for short distance trip and they could beat others van even traditional van
Rivian and Mercedes might starts partnership again
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Unreal prices, they can keep them.
It's clearly a work vehicle thru and thru, not sure making an RV out of it is a smart move. Even though the payload is great it's built as a delivery van, with enough range for delivery routes. The benefit (saving enough on gas and maintenance and justifying the price) is only going to be seen compared to a Promaster or Sprinter or Transit that would have done the same route year after year. It benefits from not having to idle, and EVs love city miles unlike ICE. Even better if the business has a solar hookup.
RV's imply traveling long distance on the highway, which this isn't made for. I'm sure someone will do it, but at that point just get the R1S
There goes our electric grid haha
I remember in the 90's when everyone was saying all these computers and laptops and servers and cellphones (only flip ones then) are going to kill our grid. Then came LED lights that use 85% less electricity and flat screen TVs to replace wasteful CRTs and... oh wait, we're using less electricity.
Now it's the same with EVs but, oh wait... he comes solar. Companies are covering parking lots with solar and charging EVs with barely needing the grid. Then comes battery megapacks being added to them, and... oh wait, we don't need the grid at all.
All Rivian Vans are Front Wheel Drive.
The Rivian wheelbase is WAY TOO LONG. That makes them harder to turn. They need to move that rear axle two or more feet forward.
The payload capacity to size is honestly disappointing for all of these. Makes you wonder how many Amazon rivian vans are overweight
They were built specially for Amazon; they're built to the need.
Looks bettet than cybertruck 😂
Who wouldn’t want to drive around looking like an Amazon delivery driver 😂
Rivian has the best e van.
Ford with the 89 battery wins. 159 miles is fair. I drive 30 to 50 miles one way 3 days a week to swim and hike with my wife. Not too many charge stations for Ford in Florida. I charge my little Cmax Energi plugin at home. 11 to 15 miles. So I will sell 5 vehicles, I hope and buy the Ford for $60K. Thank you gentlemen. I do not want a truck or car ever again.
Not ready for adoption yet but maybe someday when they can cover 200 miles in all weather.
Ducatti e van
I have a Brightdrop. It blows everything else away. AWD. Consistent 300 millers of range at summer temperatures. 120 kW recharge speed. 178 kWh battery. Rides like a car. Handles and performs like a sports car.
Hey John. I've seen your posts on promaster forums as well. I'm interested in getting a brightdrop van as well. I've heard they are mainly looking to sell only to fleet customers for now. What was your purchasing experience like and were there any unusual qualifications you needed to meet? Like did you have to purchase it from a company you own or did you just purchase one as an individual, etc?
Wow. Those Rivian vans are expensive. Way too much.
Way too expensive for a work van. Slow charging. Not for the small business.
It needs to be AWD.
more vehicles we aren't buying ... 🤣🤣🤣
The cost of EV’s are out of reach.
Hopefully it's just the R&D costs being passed along on the front end. I remember when LED TV's were outrageous and now we buy them for peanuts. I'm hopeful that all of the EV warts get resolved and they become affordable for mass market some day.
@@papasquat355The price of Lithium has fallen off a cliff in the last year, that will help.
better off with the Ram Charger and buying a camper to fit in the bed
Not enough payload!
Nothing looks as nasty as the GM poopdrop van
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Rivian wins of course because - not Tesla!
does Tesla even make a fleet van like this?
@@neutrino78x No, But all of TFL have a hate-hate relationship with Tesla since Bobby drove his Tesla into the garage door.
@@wolfgangpreier9160
"Bobby drove his Tesla into the garage door."
lol what? 😲
Tesla still lacks a delivery van, perhaps in another 5-7 years.
@@hwirtwirt4500
"Tesla still lacks a delivery van"
That's one of many reasons why I think Tesla is not going to survive once the Big Three get really ramped up in terms of EV.
Somebody will buy them and force Elon Musk to step down from any employment at Tesla.
I read that Apple was going to buy them at one point, but the deal fell through because Apple insisted on firing Musk. Hopefully once the stock goes down, somebody will do a hostile takeover and fire him from Tesla in the process. 🙂
🤣😂 uuummmmm...not even moderately interestd in an electric van
$87K!!!!!!!!!!! THATS CRAZY!!! And you guys are making negative videos about the Cybertruck!!! It’s sad how we can tell who pays you to make videos for them and who doesn’t. I can tell GM pays you the most, then the others are all about the same. And Tesla pays no one so you won’t say anything good about them. But hey i actually don’t knock ya, you everyone’s gotta make a buck! It doesn’t matter Tesla doesn’t need any advertising. Everyone is against them and they still have the world’s best selling car!!!
According to Car and Driver, "The 25 Bestselling Cars, Trucks, and SUVs of 2023 (So Far)", October 5th, 2023, the Ford F-Series is the best selling vehicle in the USA. To get the Tesla I think you have to count only small cars and SUVs.
They can keep them I don’t want one! Power grid can’t handle them and I believe these EVs are BS!
Why are you watching this ev channel? Amazon uses tens of thousands of these every day and charges them overnight with no strain on the grid, but apparently lots of strain on your fears.
And yet you're commenting on TFLEV. Grow up please.
@@wzDH106 You know nothing about me! I have been in the automotive for over 30 years and have done papers on them. You must be one of these people that believe everything the MSM and Government say 😂
@@markf1548
Keep watching EV content for the algorithm, you're doing us all a favor.
markf, where do you live that you don't see Amazon running these Rivian vans everywhere?
ELECTRIC MOBILITY DOESNT WORK YET!
SO BETTER STEP OFF OF THIS BIG BS MARKETING!
Why are you yelling? Amazon uses tens of thousands of these every day. Why do you even watch this ev channel?
Indoor voices!
Can you repeat that so we can understand please.
JUNK!
I like the Ecoline van better then the transit van and over this rivian van it's ugly
Ecoline?
@@jamesengland7461 it's Fords older van which they still make the fords transit van is ugly I even like the Chevy express van over these new ugly looking vans
You buy a delivery van on looks? How dumb is that.