Fabio Capello won the Serie A with AC Milan scoring only 36 goals and conceding 15. In the Champions League which they also won they scored 21 goals and conceded 2. Let that sink in. Probably the best defensive team ever.
@Queen of Hearts if that’s the case where most of the big names that come then why even predict if it’s gonna be at a “flop”😭😂 why not just say “hey I hope things turn out good but idk we’ll have to see” other then no he’s not gonna succeed
@Queen of Hearts then again what’s the point of asking him if he’s once again biased 😭😂 it’s called putting your pvssy feelings and ego to the side. I would assume that’s why he’s being asked because they think he’s gonna give an unbiased proper answer. I’m a Madrid fan but if someone were to ask whether raphinha was gonna do good or bad I would say he’s got the qualities to kill it on that wing because I’m judging him as a player not a player who plays for my rival
@Queen of Hearts I’m not after just roy, this goes to all pvssies out there that have that same mentality. My mans I just posted my comment and you’re out here defending your lover when you could’ve just ignored me, sometimes it gets to you when the show fits😮💨
Yeah maybe but we had Thierry Henry, the prem goat and they were buying anyone and everyone with their oil money. Original oil boys with no FFP and they still couldn’t sustain dominance like a Man City.
@@FatTodd Chelsea was better and that's the end of it lmao. Cry about money little guy, if you had Henry or not makes no difference when it comes to the original comment. You literally commented to mald.
The Mourinho team was a lot scarier too, not only did they have the record amount of points for that time but they got the best defensive record ever, conceding only 15 all season, that 1 loss was sad..
That team was insane but Id say it's easier to replicate at team that only gave up 15 in a season and still score a lot of points. But Chelsea still lost games including one to the invisibles.
@@brianguthrie3196 you think only conceding 15 is achievable?? that record is not going to broken, that Chelsea team didn't lose to the invincibles, when Arsenal were "invincibles" they lost 7 games including to Chelsea that season in Champions League
only clowns who wish they could go unbeaten say this sort of s***. If their team done it, they wouldn't shut up about it. No one talk's about the Chelsea 04/05 team but people still talk about the invincibles. Why? Coz it's a much better achievement. Clowns
@@brianguthrie3196 if you knew your football there was a team who went invincible before arsenal and even had a better win ratio since they didn’t draw a third of their games
@@n0rman908 That might be true but i gotta be honest i maybe heard "the invincibles" like a couple times in the past. You dont gotta bring it up in every Arsenal conversation over the years
Invincible means nothing. What if it was 1 win and dozens of draws? The outcome would have been the same. Even if Chelsea had a boring season and still won the league it would have been more impressive
@@ishowbag9007 I said "what if" you total mug (morons can't comprehend counterfactuals I suppose), because the outcome would have been literally identical except the position on the table. Several clubs, including Liverpool and Chelsea, have had the equivalent of a season unbeaten or more. Chelsea had a 40 prem game unbeaten streak between oct 04 to oct 05, and Liverpool a 49 streak between jan 19 and feb 2020. Arsenal just managed it within one season, and unlike Chelsea came out of it without a trophy.
Yeah but most teams arent trying to do it either. Lots of teams came very close and probably would have achieved it if they werent also giving it their all in other competitions and/or trying to win rather than trying to not concede
@@randombutspecific 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you are so funny and stupid at the same time. That is a very rare skill. Man City has already broke the Chelsea record but they still cant break the Arsenal record
There's loads of records that no one else has achieved. Chelsea only 15 league goals conceded in a season. Man City 100 points. Realistically if you want to know how good a team is. You look at the points they achieved and any other trophies they won or came close to winning.
How does that even make sense?😂😂 we're talking about an English competition and you're bringing a European competition in😂🤦 it's like saying that you can't claim to be from Nigeria without having an American citizenship does that even relate
Correct, but in my opinion Chelsea is still better because that Arsenal team got 13 draws and 83 points, while 04/04 Chelsea only 8 draws and 95 points
@@bariomalotelli4671 Maybe the Chelsea team were better overall, but the achievement itself stands alone. Even the best Man City side cannot go unbeaten, it’s very very difficult to achieve. That’s why it’s only happened twice in 140 years. Love Balotelli btw 👍🏼.
It doesn't though. In the grand scheme of the league it's literally meaningless. Points are what matters. Getting more points is means you're more dominant on a whole. You're just statistically lucky to go unbeaten
@@micayahritchie7158 if we use your logic records don't mean anything, also they were presented a golden trophy. If it didn't mean anything why did they go through the trouble of creating a different trophy? And let's face it every team tries to go invincible and fails every season coz it's a really difficult thing to do that in premiere league season.. this season we are 10 games in and every team has already lost a game.. so I think it means something
@@elrichpereira7147 My logic doesn't say records don't mean anything I don't know how you got that. Nor did I say it wasn't impressive. But being invincible is not a measure of dominance nor is it a measure of how good a team is because even the best teams have to be incredibly lucky to do that. And i don't think the invincibles were Arsenal's best team let alone the best prem team ever (relative to the prem at that time) but that's just my opinion
@@micayahritchie7158 u said in the grand scheme of things only points matter, so all the records: individual and collective have no significance in the grand scheme.. also u get same points for beating the best team as u would get for beating someone who will get relegated. Eg. Say u beat every team from 5th place to 20th u get 96 points , and lose every game against top 4, can u say u were dominant? Sure you're the champion at the end coz u got the most points but dominance is when no one can defeat you and u have the most points as well..
“It doesn’t mean anything.” (going unbeaten for 49 games) according to Rory. And yet, no other team - think about it - NO OTHER TEAM in over 100 YEARS (125 years I think) has ever done it. And the Premier League trophy was won by that team Rory. 😊That feat is unprecedented.
@@obi-wankenobi8927 Arsenal got 12 draws and 26 wins. 11 is kinda bad, is it? Lol! Well, 49 games unbeaten hasn’t been done again since Arsenal did it so I’d say that’s kind of amazing, unless the team you support or one you know has done it, oh mighty Jedi master. 🤣🤣🤣
@@SilverSurfer5150 it is amazing and unique but that doesn't mean that the team was the best of all time right? So eventhough rory is an idiot he has a point. They drew a lot and a lot of legendary squads are better than them.
@@SilverSurfer5150 have arsenal gotten 100 points before? Or gone an entire campaign only conceding 6 non penalty goals? I think both of those are much more impressive than going unbeaten imo
The invincible team was unreal man, unbeaten in the Premier league,hes clutching at straws saying they lost 7, they still got 90 points that season, if it was so easy everyone would do it only arsenal and Preston have managed that feat, Chelseas season got 95 points saying so many more points, I don't think people get how hard it is going a season unbeaten. It's not just the fact they went the season unbeaten it was 49 games overall, if you are going for trophies in a season uniteds team winning the treble was the best of the Premier league era 👌
@@sinless4088 they went unbeaten but played beautiful football at the same time, the argument was who was better out of those two sides and in my opinion and everybody is entitled to their opinion I think the arsenal side was better, but everybody remembers the arsenal team as it has never happened and will never likely happen again
Liverpool in 2019/2020 ran away with the league and just as they were on the cusp of going undefeated, got smashed by Watford. They finished on 99 points. Going undefeated is a different feat than being the best. It is a test not of winning but rather an unwillingness to lose.
“Mourinho’s team accrued so MANY more points” Arsenal finished with 90 in ‘04 and Chelsea 95 in ‘05 i.e. 5 more points. Wouldn’t exactly call that many more points. Now there’s an argument that Chelsea’s 12 point gap to Arsenal in ‘05 qualifies as MANY MORE FFS 🤦♂️
Liverpool when they won 99 points is far superior than the 'invincibles" and we didn't even win the leauge, then our next season we won the leauge with 98 points and that is also better than the "INvICibLeS"
@@lolmeercatz10 I did watch them play they drew 12 games in the leauge and lost 7 games outside the prem, hypothetically if you put man citys centorians, Liverpools 98 points team, and Chelseas 04-05 team all in the same season who all got higher points than the "invincibles" arsenal would finish FOURTH, ironic right? 😉 lol
In 30 premier league seasons the Invincibles who got 90 points (Arsenal's highest) has been equalled or bettered by 12 other squads across the years, it is joint tenth for best ever points tally... also let's not forget that the 04/05 (95 points) season Chelsea only conceded 15 goals the best defensive record of all time. In my opinion the Man City centurions is the best Prem season by any squad so far.
@@sohumhedaoo4134 it was only a few seasons ago Man City got 100 points in the league, Liverpool finished on 99 points so it was close between arguably the best 2 squads in history. Details below en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_Manchester_City_F.C._season#:~:text=As%20a%20result%20of%20City,teams%20in%20Premier%20League%20history.
People talk about the invincibles because there are only 2 top flight teams to ever do it and that's Preston north end in 1898 and Arsenal in 2003. That arsenal team played more games too. That's why it's spoken about so much. Man city one of the greatest teams ever still haven't done it and Liverpool were 2 short of the record of 49 straight unbeaten league games. It's insane that it's not talked about more because it will probably never be done again in a lifetime
@@ladsd679 mate juve was relegated for match fixing and just had their second point deduction since then I wouldn't be banging on about that if I were them
@@brianguthrie3196 one thing has nothing to do with the other. No once cares about being undefeated in a 3 horse league ( at the time) compared to winning a UCL or Getting a 100 point season
@@brianguthrie3196Yeah Juventus could even be abolished from football, doesn't change the fact that they have done it. So have AC Milan and other teams in other leagues. It's not too big of a deal.
I don't think Rory realises the craziness that is being invincible in an entire PL season. Centurion City couldn't do it, PL winning Liverpool couldn't.
@@DC-YTC At the start of every season the question is can anyone go unbeaten, not who can accrue 100 points, and season after season every team including the great City & Liverpool teams of recent times get beaten. Look at Boxing & MMA as a similar example, Mayweather, Khabib...not a single L in their column, that's the stuff people remember.
@@TomafcI think the question is who gets the most points. A lot more than 1 team can go unbeaten in a season only one can get the most points. We look at that column first not the Loses column
@@Tomafc exactly my point. So I'd take a team that got more points and lost a game over unbeaten because its harder to win games than simply not to lose
For sure, recency bias merchants can’t seem to appreciate that the Arsenal - United rivalry from ‘98 to ‘04 was the best rivalry ever (in terms of pure performance at least, el Classico is more famous) with the two best PL teams ever. As good as a guy like De Bruyne is, stick Vieira or Keane on him and he’ll be pissing himself after 20 minutes
He’s right it is kind of arbitrary, Ruud van hit the cross bar last minute with a penalty, so are we seriously saying an all time great season would’ve turned to an average team if someone scored a penalty ? Also pires dived vs Pompey. Chelsea’s was objectively better by every metric
As an Arsenal fan this is really interesting. 12 draws and no losses Vs 8 draws and 1 loss. Realistically speaking, Chelsea were a wrecking ball and Arsenal were unbeatable. I guess you could call it an unstoppable force Vs an imovable object. That's how I'd view. Personally 1 loss isn't really enough to say that Arsenal's squad was that much better. I think these two teams are the best two teams the prem has ever seen.
I'd argue only conceding 15 goals all season makes the Chelsea team more of an immovable object. I'm also of the opinion that since the aim of league football is to win matches and gain the most points, 17/18 City is the best premier league team of all time. 4 draws and 2 losses for 100 points. 106 goals scored while only conceding one more goal than the invincibles.
@@bhvillaman4401 The standard of premier League teams declined that season. If you were to put Cities team in the 2003-4 or 04-5 seasons I guarantee you it would go differently
Arsenal did not just go 38 games unbeaten it was 49. Hardly any team could score against them. That chelsea team would not have beat that arsenal team in the premier league they got super lucky in champs league
People try to talk down the invincibles by claiming "half of the games were draws." But in reality only 12 games out of the 38 were drawn, which isn’t even a third of the total games played lmao
@Perseus-kw3xc They also had 95 points to 90, less goals conceded and more trophies. Plus, Arsenal 03/04 lost to Wayne Bridge and Wayne Rooney. Chelsea also retained the league the next year so a few plus points for that I guess.
Simple, he asked for the better team and that is the 04/05 Chelsea team. Don't get me wrong, going invincible throughout the whole 38 game season is mad but 12 of those were draws to be fair. But that's a great achievement. But that Chelsea squad conceded just 15 goals that whole season. And that to me is more astonishing by that fact that they only concede a goal in average almost every 3 games. That to me is wild and the gulf in quality is different in my opinion. Still, 2 great squads in their generation.
They conceded only 15 goals but going entire season without losing a game in the Premier League where you have teams like Liverpool, Man United with players world class is impressive.
Hmm Arsenal were playing against a Liverpool side that was worse than this Liverpool team rn and gathered only 60 points and Man utd that disappeared in the 2nd half of that certain season 😳 far from prime premier league quality
theres quite a difference between 90 points and 95 points icl its not the same as the gap between 80 and 85 points even if it still is 5 points there is a difference if you get what i mean
The most significant is the treble winning Manchester United team bcus they were unbeaten in the Champions league and the FA Cup and only lost 3 games in the premier league, that my friend is the most "Significant"
The best thing about Invincibles is Arsene Wenger just before the start of the season made challange himself to go all the season unbeatten publicly...and...he made it.
Exactly that’s the biggest dick energy ever. I dear pep to say the same, city is probably the most dominant ‘team’ domestically ever in the league. Even they can’t do it
As an Arsenal fan i think this years league win (if we do it) would be more impressive. Finishing ahead of teams like City, with the youngest squad ever, the youngest manager ever (to win it), would he far more of an achievement than finishing without a loss. If this young team next year went invincible itd be the best ever prem team i think
Going invincible requires a draining amount of consistency. There’s barely any room to play poorly or you could easily be stunned by anyone. And it’s a long season so avoiding defeat is incredibly hard
I agree. More points>More draws There's a reason those invincibles failed to win the Champion's League. They just weren't good enough to win a match where draw wasn't an option. Knockout stage defines how a tough a team is. The league tests the team's depth.
@@Perseus-kw3xc That.... doesn't matter? The question isn't which played more beautiful football. It's which was the better/more dominant team. Which Chelsea
He’s right that invincible means nothing other than a cool record. 38 games 38 draws would be invincible, yet would be in a relegation battle. The best way to decide if a team is the greatest is to look at how many points they got, how many goals they scored, how many goals they conceded, and their margin of victory. Arsenals invincibles didn’t score the most, concede the least, and they didn’t even win the most. They lost numerous times in other comps, and played for draws in the league to hold on to the record. It is a great team, and it may even be the most impressive record, but they in no way were the best team.
@@bullgod9431 but have they gone Invincible? 0 in the loss column while winning the league. The hardest league in the world. You won't see it again in your lifetime.
@@Drago_Gaming10 yh now imagine winning the best league in the world and still having the mentality to go all the way in other cups like united and city did, even liverpool last year with 97 points and 3 finals Is more impressive.
While not losing a single league game is impressive, when you look at how those teams played rather than the record, that Mourinho led Chelsea team was much better. They were ferocious defensively. 38 games with only 15 goals conceded is ridiculous. They also had the record for most league games with clean sheets along with that 15 goals. And they were so complete. The addition of Drogba really completed that Chelsea squad that fell short the season before.
Conversely, Arsenal had a great attack and scored way more than Chelsea in those 2 seasons. Chelsea’s team was near invincible and perhaps their achievement isn’t thought of as highly due to the Abramovich backing, defensive football, or the fact that they fell just short of accomplishing it. It was also Arsenals last league title whereas Chelsea have gone on to be successful several times since.
People act like the 15 goals conceded is more special than going Invincible. Arsenal went 49 games unbeaten and the closest team to catch that is Liverpool with 44. Chelsea conceded 15 goals and the closest team to that is Arsenal who only conceded 17. Chelsea's record while impressive is more obtainable than Arsenal's unbeaten streak.
@@MithridatesIX I'm not saying the record is as impressive as going undefeated. When you compare those individual stats, obviously the unbeaten streak is much better. I'm saying how Chelsea played was much more impressive than how Arsenal played. As great as that Arsenal team was, when you look at the play rather than the records, watching that Chelsea team and the way they played was much more impressive.
I think the fact that there have been soooo many teams that have gotten more points, or scored more goals, or let in less goals, and still couldnt manage to not lose, goes to show how good the Invincibles were.
@@reesipoo6539 They drew 12. And they won 26...they also lost 0. These other teams dont have that goose egg at the end of their table. And thats for a reason
@@FLASK904 im not even digging them out, i just think that chelsea team and the double winning arsenal team were both better. I also think all the 90+ pts city and liverpool teams are better.
@@reesipoo6539 I mean its an argument. I disagree, but im not denying that you can make an argument for them. Im stating that people who dash the fact that the invincibles team had 12 draws makes them inferior. Thats not what makes them inferior, thats what makes the team great, that many of those losses were come from behind draws. Where these other great teams have lost. Thats why our trophy is golden and these aren't. Thats why the greatest manager of all time, gives his plaudits to this team over many his own...
I think it shows the opposite actually. And how it means nothing. Because like you said, better teams have came and still not done it... I think that's just because you need arbitrary luck to just go unbeaten.
To be fair as an Arsenal fan i hate all this ''is yours gold'' and i agree that i think the 2002 Arsenal team was better, however the longer the record stands just goes to show how impressive the record is!
@@MeChoonChannel nonsense, i remember Liverpool fans being devastated when they lost their first game the season they became champions, because it was so late in the season
the question robbie asks explain why the invincible are better. cause it hasn’t been done since!! if it was as trivial as rory makes it out to be it would have happened again by this point.
Robbie should have asked him who won the first ever top division title(1887/88, then asked him who won the second(1888/89). Most people remember the first but not the second. And then ask him why he remembers the first and not the second. The 04/05 team was better but the achievement wasn’t greater.
I’d actually agree with Rory here tbh, arsenal were amazing no doubt but that Chelsea were so effective and a nightmare to play. Centurions beat both of them though.
Not a fan of either, but that Chelsea team would edge it for me. Probably the hardest team to score against in the premier league era. Also think the points discussion is a silly. Only a few years ago Man Utd finished with more points in 2nd than the treble winning team. Wouldn’t get close to them on the pitch.
@@shanesmith4133100% agreed. Man City in 2017/18 - most points (100), most wins (32), most goals scored (106). The only two records they didn't collect that season was invivibles and least goals conceded (15). Out of 5 prem records that show how good you really are, City got 3 in that one season. Most points will always objectively be the most important as well. Any of the others are down to opinion.
Arsenal went unbeaten in the league and lost outside the league 7 times, Chelsea lost 6 times the next year.... including 1 in the league what The Invincibles did was nothing short of a miracle, he's also using "arbitrary" random about that season
@@monkeytennis8861 73 goals that year says otherwise and Arsenal won the league with a back 4 that cost 0£ The Invincibles were one of the greatest teams to ever play football
The greatest defensive team ever vs the team that couldn't be beaten... Im a Chelsea fan so I'm obviously going to pick us BUT even looking at it as un-biased as possible, that Arsenal team did get 90 points to chelseas 95 points. Chelsea, although not going undefeated, had not only more points, but also the better defensive record (15 goals which still stands untouched to this day) Like I said I'm taking Chelsea no matter what but the history between both of these seasons cannot be underestimated. These are arguably 2 of the greatest seasons ever
Arsenal had Henry, Bergkamp, Pires and Vieira Chelsea had Drogba, Robben, Lampard and Joe Cole Both had great defenders and keeper Arsenal were an attacking team with Henry winning golden boot most seasons. Chelsea were a little more cautious with Essian and Makelele protecting the back 4 but had a great out ball in Drogba Both great sides but I’d bet on Arsenal if that game existed. They were simply 11 straight winners with the toughest mentalities
The only reason why Arsenal's invincible team got talked about a lot was because they didn't win shit for 10 years, so they needed to always bring that up in arguments against other teams when they got clowned for being trophyless for that long. Imagine Arsenal had Chelsea's trophy cabinet after 2003, the invincibles would barely be brought up.
wrong.the reason they are talked about is because they went a season unbeaten.its never been done.No team other than the Arsenal team of 03-04 can call themselves invincible.No team.Cry some more if it helps you.
Yeah no FFP and signing anyone and everyone in doing so. If you’re gonna use oil money at least build something close to near perfection like Manchester City.
Will they tho? You can sit here and say they wilk after 9 matches but when we celebrate being top the league after 9 u call us delusional. You see the stupidity in your comments and one sided arguments constantly against arsenal lmao?
@@b5Bart but recent history shows us that Man City stay consistent nearly the entirety of the season, recent history also shows us that arsenal don’t stay top for very long.
@@b5Bart arsenal is definitely different and have got more of a fight in them but sadly I don’t see them winning the league 😢 This liverpool team in recent times was better than the current arsenal team but didn’t win the league
To not lose is impressive but to only concede 15 goals is aswell. If you drew every game of the season you could be both invincible and yet potentially relegated, points are more important. Invincibles is a status thing, but it would have been more impressive if they didn't draw soo many. Invincibles would have only won 2 titles in the last 7 years with the points they had. Chelsea 04/05 would achieve 4 titles out of the last 7 years. City 17/18 was crazy though, 100 points 100+goals.
One got 90 points the other 95. There's your answer. And the one who got 95 conceded the least goals in a season in premier league history and only didn't go unbeaten because of a dodgy pen.
Conceding just 15 goals is incredible
Who arsenal or Chelsea
@@superbad1471 Chelsea only conceded 15 goals that season
Fabio Capello won the Serie A with AC Milan scoring only 36 goals and conceding 15. In the Champions League which they also won they scored 21 goals and conceded 2. Let that sink in. Probably the best defensive team ever.
@@otto_jk which Year was that
@@chikondichingota3400 93/94
When you have 0 in the loss column you are invincible.
Yea that team was so great they couldn't retain it
Still 0 in the loss column for a prem season
Of course you can draw 20 games out 38, that's unbeaten record too
@@mickey..... bruh 19 draws
Isn't that the clown who said that Haaland will be a failure in Manchester city?😂😂🤡🤡
Pretty sure people were talking about the invincibles before social media existed Rory!
It is overhyped though.
Isn't that the clown who said that Haaland will be a failure in Manchester city?😂😂🤡🤡
@@WafiKhanjerMusic Hahah yes😂😂
Pretty sure social media was invented a few years before the invincible season happened
@@rossneil4413 then why has no one else done it?
"I WOndEr wHy" sent me 🤣🤣
Its so easy trying to sound smart by speak fast. problem is his brain havent got time to fact check him. "hAaLaNd wont be a HiT"
This is also the man that said Haaland wouldn't succeed in the Premier league...
He did say he was very wrong afterwards! After all, it WAS just a prediction
@@sassamirorogerson3563 why make such prediction saying someone won’t succeed. That man knows nothing about football.
@Queen of Hearts if that’s the case where most of the big names that come then why even predict if it’s gonna be at a “flop”😭😂 why not just say “hey I hope things turn out good but idk we’ll have to see” other then no he’s not gonna succeed
@Queen of Hearts then again what’s the point of asking him if he’s once again biased 😭😂 it’s called putting your pvssy feelings and ego to the side. I would assume that’s why he’s being asked because they think he’s gonna give an unbiased proper answer. I’m a Madrid fan but if someone were to ask whether raphinha was gonna do good or bad I would say he’s got the qualities to kill it on that wing because I’m judging him as a player not a player who plays for my rival
@Queen of Hearts I’m not after just roy, this goes to all pvssies out there that have that same mentality. My mans I just posted my comment and you’re out here defending your lover when you could’ve just ignored me, sometimes it gets to you when the show fits😮💨
25 fucking clean sheets while conceding only 15 goals! Incredible.
Invincibles were the better achievement but 04-05 Chelsea was the better team
Yeah maybe but we had Thierry Henry, the prem goat and they were buying anyone and everyone with their oil money. Original oil boys with no FFP and they still couldn’t sustain dominance like a Man City.
@@FatTodd let's be honest tho if sir Alex was still manager then pep wouldn't have been dominating the prem as much as he has.
@@purist3612 if statements are wild. If Wenger had Chelsea’s or uniteds budget back then we’d have won titles
@@FatTodd Chelsea was better and that's the end of it lmao. Cry about money little guy, if you had Henry or not makes no difference when it comes to the original comment. You literally commented to mald.
I'm a gooner but I have to agree, I loved watching that Chelsea team, they were bullies. Both sides were impressive
The Mourinho team was a lot scarier too, not only did they have the record amount of points for that time but they got the best defensive record ever, conceding only 15 all season, that 1 loss was sad..
That team was insane but Id say it's easier to replicate at team that only gave up 15 in a season and still score a lot of points. But Chelsea still lost games including one to the invisibles.
@@brianguthrie3196 you think only conceding 15 is achievable?? that record is not going to broken, that Chelsea team didn't lose to the invincibles, when Arsenal were "invincibles" they lost 7 games including to Chelsea that season in Champions League
@@axtrixblade1761 then why haven't any other team gone unbeaten in the league.
only clowns who wish they could go unbeaten say this sort of s***. If their team done it, they wouldn't shut up about it. No one talk's about the Chelsea 04/05 team but people still talk about the invincibles. Why? Coz it's a much better achievement. Clowns
@@brianguthrie3196 if you knew your football there was a team who went invincible before arsenal and even had a better win ratio since they didn’t draw a third of their games
"Its a social media thing" -Someone in 2003 probably.
Blud its about right now. Ppl are 🥩 ridinh them just cuz they didnt lose. How many times have you seen the invincibles in a yt short?
@@qui-gonjinn8350 People have been using the invincibles as a benchmark since before social media took off. Its a terrible argument.
@@n0rman908 That might be true but i gotta be honest i maybe heard "the invincibles" like a couple times in the past. You dont gotta bring it up in every Arsenal conversation over the years
Bro youo just made me crack up hahaha a
That guy cant stop crying😭😭😭
Hes ➡️
I have absolutely no idea where I land on this tbh
Invincible means nothing. What if it was 1 win and dozens of draws? The outcome would have been the same. Even if Chelsea had a boring season and still won the league it would have been more impressive
@@Ali-lc7vp But it wasn’t 1 win and dozens of draws… you total mug, if it was meaningless and so unimpressive, why has no one else done it?
@@ishowbag9007 I said "what if" you total mug (morons can't comprehend counterfactuals I suppose), because the outcome would have been literally identical except the position on the table.
Several clubs, including Liverpool and Chelsea, have had the equivalent of a season unbeaten or more. Chelsea had a 40 prem game unbeaten streak between oct 04 to oct 05, and Liverpool a 49 streak between jan 19 and feb 2020.
Arsenal just managed it within one season, and unlike Chelsea came out of it without a trophy.
Isn't that the clown who said that Haaland will be a failure in Manchester city?😂😂🤡🤡
@@ishowbag9007 if they were such a great team how come they couldn't retain the league amd lost to Jose's Chelsea who did retain it?????
I Wonder Why 😂
Imagine Rory trying to defend he’s family from a break in
Loool
He'd take the XQC approach
@@billymurray1687 Was thinking about that
He will try and negotiate like "OK I won't call the police and you can take that lamp and TV there in turn for not roughing me up ya scoundrel"
"it doesn't mean anything" literally until now no team in premier league can do it again
Yeah but most teams arent trying to do it either. Lots of teams came very close and probably would have achieved it if they werent also giving it their all in other competitions and/or trying to win rather than trying to not concede
@@randombutspecific 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you are so funny and stupid at the same time. That is a very rare skill. Man City has already broke the Chelsea record but they still cant break the Arsenal record
There's loads of records that no one else has achieved. Chelsea only 15 league goals conceded in a season. Man City 100 points. Realistically if you want to know how good a team is. You look at the points they achieved and any other trophies they won or came close to winning.
You can’t claim to be the best premier league team without a champions league to back it up.
How does that even make sense?😂😂 we're talking about an English competition and you're bringing a European competition in😂🤦 it's like saying that you can't claim to be from Nigeria without having an American citizenship does that even relate
If I’m correct, George Graham won the title at Arsenal whilst conceding 18 goals and only losing once.
Correct, but in my opinion Chelsea is still better because that Arsenal team got 13 draws and 83 points, while 04/04 Chelsea only 8 draws and 95 points
@@bariomalotelli4671 Maybe the Chelsea team were better overall, but the achievement itself stands alone. Even the best Man City side cannot go unbeaten, it’s very very difficult to achieve. That’s why it’s only happened twice in 140 years. Love Balotelli btw 👍🏼.
@@perfectionbodycare8401 agree absolutely, Chelsea definitely were in my opinion the better team but Invincibles is a better achievement.
"Going unbeaten doesnt mean anything"
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It doesn't though. In the grand scheme of the league it's literally meaningless. Points are what matters. Getting more points is means you're more dominant on a whole. You're just statistically lucky to go unbeaten
@@micayahritchie7158 if we use your logic records don't mean anything, also they were presented a golden trophy. If it didn't mean anything why did they go through the trouble of creating a different trophy? And let's face it every team tries to go invincible and fails every season coz it's a really difficult thing to do that in premiere league season.. this season we are 10 games in and every team has already lost a game.. so I think it means something
@@elrichpereira7147 My logic doesn't say records don't mean anything I don't know how you got that. Nor did I say it wasn't impressive. But being invincible is not a measure of dominance nor is it a measure of how good a team is because even the best teams have to be incredibly lucky to do that. And i don't think the invincibles were Arsenal's best team let alone the best prem team ever (relative to the prem at that time) but that's just my opinion
@@elrichpereira7147 Also teams don't try to go invincible they try to win every game and the invincibles also failed at that
@@micayahritchie7158 u said in the grand scheme of things only points matter, so all the records: individual and collective have no significance in the grand scheme.. also u get same points for beating the best team as u would get for beating someone who will get relegated. Eg. Say u beat every team from 5th place to 20th u get 96 points , and lose every game against top 4, can u say u were dominant? Sure you're the champion at the end coz u got the most points but dominance is when no one can defeat you and u have the most points as well..
“It doesn’t mean anything.” (going unbeaten for 49 games) according to Rory. And yet, no other team - think about it - NO OTHER TEAM in over 100 YEARS (125 years I think) has ever done it. And the Premier League trophy was won by that team Rory. 😊That feat is unprecedented.
1895(?) I think It was Millwall but whatever 11 draws is still kinda shite
and also honored the GOLD trophy that Unique trophy.
@@obi-wankenobi8927 Arsenal got 12 draws and 26 wins. 11 is kinda bad, is it? Lol! Well, 49 games unbeaten hasn’t been done again since Arsenal did it so I’d say that’s kind of amazing, unless the team you support or one you know has done it, oh mighty Jedi master. 🤣🤣🤣
@@SilverSurfer5150 it is amazing and unique but that doesn't mean that the team was the best of all time right? So eventhough rory is an idiot he has a point. They drew a lot and a lot of legendary squads are better than them.
@@SilverSurfer5150 have arsenal gotten 100 points before? Or gone an entire campaign only conceding 6 non penalty goals? I think both of those are much more impressive than going unbeaten imo
You don’t lose a single game whole season in the league is actually crazy
Not that crazy when you draw 1/3 of them
The invincible team was unreal man, unbeaten in the Premier league,hes clutching at straws saying they lost 7, they still got 90 points that season, if it was so easy everyone would do it only arsenal and Preston have managed that feat, Chelseas season got 95 points saying so many more points, I don't think people get how hard it is going a season unbeaten. It's not just the fact they went the season unbeaten it was 49 games overall, if you are going for trophies in a season uniteds team winning the treble was the best of the Premier league era 👌
What does going 'unbeaten' achieve if another team gathered more points by losing a couple and winning a couple more? Frivolous argument..
@@sinless4088 a golden premier league trophy 🏆
@@stevej1818 a premier league trophy was won either way, just one team gathered more points.
@@sinless4088 they went unbeaten but played beautiful football at the same time, the argument was who was better out of those two sides and in my opinion and everybody is entitled to their opinion I think the arsenal side was better, but everybody remembers the arsenal team as it has never happened and will never likely happen again
Liverpool in 2019/2020 ran away with the league and just as they were on the cusp of going undefeated, got smashed by Watford.
They finished on 99 points. Going undefeated is a different feat than being the best. It is a test not of winning but rather an unwillingness to lose.
“Mourinho’s team accrued so MANY more points” Arsenal finished with 90 in ‘04 and Chelsea 95 in ‘05 i.e. 5 more points. Wouldn’t exactly call that many more points. Now there’s an argument that Chelsea’s 12 point gap to Arsenal in ‘05 qualifies as MANY MORE FFS 🤦♂️
Liverpool when they won 99 points is far superior than the 'invincibles" and we didn't even win the leauge, then our next season we won the leauge with 98 points and that is also better than the "INvICibLeS"
@@olilais92 You just didn't watch the invincibles play, anyone who did knows
@@lolmeercatz10 I did watch them play they drew 12 games in the leauge and lost 7 games outside the prem, hypothetically if you put man citys centorians, Liverpools 98 points team, and Chelseas 04-05 team all in the same season who all got higher points than the "invincibles" arsenal would finish FOURTH, ironic right? 😉 lol
And Chelsea were only denied invincibility by a dodgy penalty given against them.
Chelsea conceded something like 18 goals that year, less than 1 in 2. That’s ridiculous
In 30 premier league seasons the Invincibles who got 90 points (Arsenal's highest) has been equalled or bettered by 12 other squads across the years, it is joint tenth for best ever points tally... also let's not forget that the 04/05 (95 points) season Chelsea only conceded 15 goals the best defensive record of all time. In my opinion the Man City centurions is the best Prem season by any squad so far.
Finally someone giving a acknowledge where it should be given.
Can you tell more about man city centurions idk about them, tell more info like manager ,year, players
@@sohumhedaoo4134 it was only a few seasons ago Man City got 100 points in the league, Liverpool finished on 99 points so it was close between arguably the best 2 squads in history. Details below en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_Manchester_City_F.C._season#:~:text=As%20a%20result%20of%20City,teams%20in%20Premier%20League%20history.
@@HJ-nb5iv thanks
49 undefeated sounds a lot better than only 15 conceded
Rory is spot on!
Until a team does it again he's saying absolutely nonsense.
People talk about the invincibles because there are only 2 top flight teams to ever do it and that's Preston north end in 1898 and Arsenal in 2003. That arsenal team played more games too. That's why it's spoken about so much. Man city one of the greatest teams ever still haven't done it and Liverpool were 2 short of the record of 49 straight unbeaten league games. It's insane that it's not talked about more because it will probably never be done again in a lifetime
Yh in the Pl , juve went undefeated a couple years back and they don’t bang on about it
@@ladsd679 mate juve was relegated for match fixing and just had their second point deduction since then I wouldn't be banging on about that if I were them
@@brianguthrie3196 one thing has nothing to do with the other. No once cares about being undefeated in a 3 horse league ( at the time) compared to winning a UCL or Getting a 100 point season
@@brianguthrie3196Yeah Juventus could even be abolished from football, doesn't change the fact that they have done it. So have AC Milan and other teams in other leagues. It's not too big of a deal.
I don't think Rory realises the craziness that is being invincible in an entire PL season. Centurion City couldn't do it, PL winning Liverpool couldn't.
He's right though, football is about Winning not drawing. City's 100 points is much more impressive
@@DC-YTC At the start of every season the question is can anyone go unbeaten, not who can accrue 100 points, and season after season every team including the great City & Liverpool teams of recent times get beaten. Look at Boxing & MMA as a similar example, Mayweather, Khabib...not a single L in their column, that's the stuff people remember.
@@TomafcI think the question is who gets the most points. A lot more than 1 team can go unbeaten in a season only one can get the most points. We look at that column first not the Loses column
@@leroytetra5590 yeah and Arsenal got the most points that season hence we won the league?
@@Tomafc exactly my point. So I'd take a team that got more points and lost a game over unbeaten because its harder to win games than simply not to lose
Chelsea had 5 more points 😂 next he’s gonna say Drogba is better than Henry again
Isn't the aim of football to win as many games as possible and therefore as many points as possible. The aim isn't not to lose, it's to win.
He never said Drogba was better than Henry, he said he's a better big game player, which everyone knows is true
He didn’t say that, he said Drogba was a better big game player and Robbie even agreed
@@unclebensrice4702 could've just read my comment?
But what was the convo about? He was making the case originally that he was better
Man United fan and the invincibles fully deserve their flowers. 49 games unbeaten is serious business
For sure, recency bias merchants can’t seem to appreciate that the Arsenal - United rivalry from ‘98 to ‘04 was the best rivalry ever (in terms of pure performance at least, el Classico is more famous) with the two best PL teams ever. As good as a guy like De Bruyne is, stick Vieira or Keane on him and he’ll be pissing himself after 20 minutes
Rory just concedes that his club has no history by trying to make everyone else’s irrelevant
Same case with the Utd. The 98/99 team did win the treble but imo they were not as good as the 07/08 team
He’s right it is kind of arbitrary, Ruud van hit the cross bar last minute with a penalty, so are we seriously saying an all time great season would’ve turned to an average team if someone scored a penalty ? Also pires dived vs Pompey.
Chelsea’s was objectively better by every metric
As an Arsenal fan this is really interesting. 12 draws and no losses Vs 8 draws and 1 loss. Realistically speaking, Chelsea were a wrecking ball and Arsenal were unbeatable. I guess you could call it an unstoppable force Vs an imovable object. That's how I'd view. Personally 1 loss isn't really enough to say that Arsenal's squad was that much better. I think these two teams are the best two teams the prem has ever seen.
I'd argue only conceding 15 goals all season makes the Chelsea team more of an immovable object. I'm also of the opinion that since the aim of league football is to win matches and gain the most points, 17/18 City is the best premier league team of all time. 4 draws and 2 losses for 100 points. 106 goals scored while only conceding one more goal than the invincibles.
They'd both get beat by city unfortunately 🤣😂
@@hazen6283 I respect what you say about what the actual objective of the prem.
@@bhvillaman4401 The standard of premier League teams declined that season. If you were to put Cities team in the 2003-4 or 04-5 seasons I guarantee you it would go differently
Arsenal did not just go 38 games unbeaten it was 49. Hardly any team could score against them. That chelsea team would not have beat that arsenal team in the premier league they got super lucky in champs league
“So many more points” It’s literally 5
Right lol😂
Init. 😂😂
That's is a lot considering how the invincible team is remembered compared to 05 Chelsea
5 points is a big gap if you're talking about a title race.
Rory has insane ball knowledge… insane as in I have no idea what he’s on about
People try to talk down the invincibles by claiming "half of the games were draws."
But in reality only 12 games out of the 38 were drawn, which isn’t even a third of the total games played lmao
Who believe Rory anyway? Anything against Arsenal
not true
but he is spilling facts
He's literally praising the Arsenal team that won the double
Hard to hear the facts?
Everyone who isn’t an Arsenal fan will probably agree with Rory
Rare W for Rory Jennings imo.
nah
Not at all.
Chelsea had 8 draws and 1 loss.
Arsenal had 12 draws and 0 losses.
@Perseus-kw3xc They also had 95 points to 90, less goals conceded and more trophies. Plus, Arsenal 03/04 lost to Wayne Bridge and Wayne Rooney. Chelsea also retained the league the next year so a few plus points for that I guess.
Simple, he asked for the better team and that is the 04/05 Chelsea team. Don't get me wrong, going invincible throughout the whole 38 game season is mad but 12 of those were draws to be fair. But that's a great achievement. But that Chelsea squad conceded just 15 goals that whole season. And that to me is more astonishing by that fact that they only concede a goal in average almost every 3 games. That to me is wild and the gulf in quality is different in my opinion. Still, 2 great squads in their generation.
They conceded only 15 goals but going entire season without losing a game in the Premier League where you have teams like Liverpool, Man United with players world class is impressive.
Hmm Arsenal were playing against a Liverpool side that was worse than this Liverpool team rn and gathered only 60 points and Man utd that disappeared in the 2nd half of that certain season 😳 far from prime premier league quality
It’s unbelievable record to have. No easy feat, but I party agree with the donut rory on this one. That Chelsea team was immense
If chelsea get 95 points next season and arsenal draw 12 games and win 26 next season. Arsenal won't be celebrating anything.
And why does that matter considering we won the league while going invincible?
12 draws was normal back then.
Uniteds treble winning team won the league with 13 draws and 3 losses.
Rory, the reason that it is always other social media is because it’s of greatest season of Premier League history
chelsea only got 5 more points than the invincibles
Yes because 12 draws tends to limit your point total
theres quite a difference between 90 points and 95 points icl its not the same as the gap between 80 and 85 points even if it still is 5 points there is a difference if you get what i mean
@@yasuof3291 I don’t - because it’s not a massive difference. First place is first place.
Parking the bus needs a genius to figure out how to implement it!
I mean he was champions in 04/05 with only 15 goals suffered so we was pretty good at it
Nobody has gone unbeaten yet. Till then it's the most significant
Preston North end are the first ever English team to go unbeaten, Arsenal are the first to do it in the premier league era, not so impressive 😂😂😂
The most significant is the treble winning Manchester United team bcus they were unbeaten in the Champions league and the FA Cup and only lost 3 games in the premier league, that my friend is the most "Significant"
15 goals conceded, champions league semi finals, league cup and more points in the premier league
Imagine a record so good than no one’s been able to recreate in the league for 19 years getting SLATED because they drew????
Yea but compared to that Mourinho team l pick it over the invincibles
@@TUTENSKENGS referencing how the invincible season was 19 years ago that’s all but ur totally right!
@@benito0072 didn’t ask btw 🫶
@@unknownuser8084 yea you didn't. But thats the reason why Arsenal lose the debate....drew 7...that's a lot
@@benito0072 that’s why josé’s Chelsea went completely unbeaten in one of the most competitive leagues then…. Oh wait
The best thing about Invincibles is Arsene Wenger just before the start of the season made challange himself to go all the season unbeatten publicly...and...he made it.
Exactly that’s the biggest dick energy ever. I dear pep to say the same, city is probably the most dominant ‘team’ domestically ever in the league. Even they can’t do it
Prove he actually said that?..
@SnotturzZz he said it the year before aswell
As an Arsenal fan i think this years league win (if we do it) would be more impressive. Finishing ahead of teams like City, with the youngest squad ever, the youngest manager ever (to win it), would he far more of an achievement than finishing without a loss. If this young team next year went invincible itd be the best ever prem team i think
Going invincible requires a draining amount of consistency. There’s barely any room to play poorly or you could easily be stunned by anyone. And it’s a long season so avoiding defeat is incredibly hard
I agree. More points>More draws
There's a reason those invincibles failed to win the Champion's League. They just weren't good enough to win a match where draw wasn't an option. Knockout stage defines how a tough a team is. The league tests the team's depth.
But who remembers the 04-05 Chelsea team ???
Everyone automatically remembers the Invincibles but hardly anyone remembers 04-05 Chelsea team 😂
@@wosamosman9814 which rock do you live under? Everyone remembers that chelsea team. Its one of Mourinho's greatest teams ever
@@wosamosman9814
Speak for the plastics lol
Chelsea had 8 draws and 1 loss while parking the bus the entire season.
Arsenal had 12 draws and 0 losses while playing entertaining football.
@@Perseus-kw3xc That.... doesn't matter? The question isn't which played more beautiful football. It's which was the better/more dominant team. Which Chelsea
Just remember this man said Haaland would not score more than 15 goals
Still mad to think a team went all season without losing… Rory is so good at what he does gets everyone going
They still lost, just not in the premier league
Yet till this day no one has achieved being “invincible “ and till this days and more years to come it will always be talked about.
He’s right that invincible means nothing other than a cool record. 38 games 38 draws would be invincible, yet would be in a relegation battle. The best way to decide if a team is the greatest is to look at how many points they got, how many goals they scored, how many goals they conceded, and their margin of victory. Arsenals invincibles didn’t score the most, concede the least, and they didn’t even win the most. They lost numerous times in other comps, and played for draws in the league to hold on to the record. It is a great team, and it may even be the most impressive record, but they in no way were the best team.
The trophy differentiates both teams One had the normal glass EPL. while Arsenal's invisible won the Gold One🏆
I preferred Arsenals first 11. But Chelsea had a better squad
04/05 was a better team but the invincibles was a better achievement.
Is it, that chelsea team won 2 trophies and got to a cl semi where they were knocked out by a ghost goal
@@bullgod9431 Many teams have done the same/better as that Chelsea team. No one has gone invincible.
@@xretcyvbnimo and all of them teams had better seasons than the invincibles.
@@bullgod9431 but have they gone Invincible? 0 in the loss column while winning the league. The hardest league in the world. You won't see it again in your lifetime.
@@Drago_Gaming10 yh now imagine winning the best league in the world and still having the mentality to go all the way in other cups like united and city did, even liverpool last year with 97 points and 3 finals Is more impressive.
Lol @ “I wonder why” 😂 gettem Don
Liverpool and city teams in the last 4/5 years wipes the floor with any of them 100 points 99 points
the difference between chelsea going unbeaten and arsenal going unbeaten was Anelka scoring a pen and van nistelrooy missing a pen.
This man has a point. Arsenal fan
This kind of debate where nobody is talking objectively is getting nowhere lmao
While not losing a single league game is impressive, when you look at how those teams played rather than the record, that Mourinho led Chelsea team was much better. They were ferocious defensively. 38 games with only 15 goals conceded is ridiculous. They also had the record for most league games with clean sheets along with that 15 goals. And they were so complete. The addition of Drogba really completed that Chelsea squad that fell short the season before.
Conversely, Arsenal had a great attack and scored way more than Chelsea in those 2 seasons. Chelsea’s team was near invincible and perhaps their achievement isn’t thought of as highly due to the Abramovich backing, defensive football, or the fact that they fell just short of accomplishing it.
It was also Arsenals last league title whereas Chelsea have gone on to be successful several times since.
People act like the 15 goals conceded is more special than going Invincible. Arsenal went 49 games unbeaten and the closest team to catch that is Liverpool with 44. Chelsea conceded 15 goals and the closest team to that is Arsenal who only conceded 17. Chelsea's record while impressive is more obtainable than Arsenal's unbeaten streak.
@@MithridatesIX I'm not saying the record is as impressive as going undefeated. When you compare those individual stats, obviously the unbeaten streak is much better. I'm saying how Chelsea played was much more impressive than how Arsenal played. As great as that Arsenal team was, when you look at the play rather than the records, watching that Chelsea team and the way they played was much more impressive.
@@kerke4639 I disagree, but I apologize for misconstruing your argument.
I think the fact that there have been soooo many teams that have gotten more points, or scored more goals, or let in less goals, and still couldnt manage to not lose, goes to show how good the Invincibles were.
they drew almost half their games
@@reesipoo6539 They drew 12. And they won 26...they also lost 0. These other teams dont have that goose egg at the end of their table. And thats for a reason
@@FLASK904 im not even digging them out, i just think that chelsea team and the double winning arsenal team were both better. I also think all the 90+ pts city and liverpool teams are better.
@@reesipoo6539 I mean its an argument. I disagree, but im not denying that you can make an argument for them. Im stating that people who dash the fact that the invincibles team had 12 draws makes them inferior. Thats not what makes them inferior, thats what makes the team great, that many of those losses were come from behind draws. Where these other great teams have lost. Thats why our trophy is golden and these aren't. Thats why the greatest manager of all time, gives his plaudits to this team over many his own...
I think it shows the opposite actually. And how it means nothing. Because like you said, better teams have came and still not done it... I think that's just because you need arbitrary luck to just go unbeaten.
To be fair as an Arsenal fan i hate all this ''is yours gold'' and i agree that i think the 2002 Arsenal team was better, however the longer the record stands just goes to show how impressive the record is!
No one is trying to beat it though. Teams are trying to win the league, not go unbeaten
@@MeChoonChannel nonsense, i remember Liverpool fans being devastated when they lost their first game the season they became champions, because it was so late in the season
@@MeChoonChannel Teams that are trying to win a league don’t go out expecting to lose though do they?
Rare occasion Rory is right
First time he’s talked some sense
drugs won't affect my kid
the kid:
Rory makes a good point. It was not Arsenal's best team
the question robbie asks explain why the invincible are better. cause it hasn’t been done since!!
if it was as trivial as rory makes it out to be it would have happened again by this point.
Robbie should have asked him who won the first ever top division title(1887/88, then asked him who won the second(1888/89).
Most people remember the first but not the second.
And then ask him why he remembers the first and not the second.
The 04/05 team was better but the achievement wasn’t greater.
I’d actually agree with Rory here tbh, arsenal were amazing no doubt but that Chelsea were so effective and a nightmare to play. Centurions beat both of them though.
I have go agree with Rory, robbie is not smart enough to be in these debates
Rare Rory Jennings W
HUGE and very common L
@@GreyStages He's objectively correct here
Not a fan of either, but that Chelsea team would edge it for me. Probably the hardest team to score against in the premier league era. Also think the points discussion is a silly. Only a few years ago Man Utd finished with more points in 2nd than the treble winning team. Wouldn’t get close to them on the pitch.
But that’s not fair Rory is a Chelsea fan and Robbie is an arsenal fan
This would be a great debate if someone competent was doing the debating
Okay then our 17/18 city side is undisputedly the best prem side ever
it is they broke records that season on the way to 100
@The Healthy Pill yeah but if the most points is best that makes us the best
@@shanesmith4133100% agreed. Man City in 2017/18 - most points (100), most wins (32), most goals scored (106).
The only two records they didn't collect that season was invivibles and least goals conceded (15). Out of 5 prem records that show how good you really are, City got 3 in that one season. Most points will always objectively be the most important as well. Any of the others are down to opinion.
Rory is someone who talks as he has nothing to say but just wants to be apart of the conversation
Is this guy is the one who said Haaland will score less than 15 goals in the entire season? What a nonsense.
"How many did they draw?" BuT how many did they lose????
They've got the golden trophy🏆
@Queen of Hearts the one that matters
@Queen of Hearts its one more league title over Tots. I'm not an Arsenal fan I'm just stating facts.
Was a stupid argument too considering chelsea themselves drew 8 times in the 04/05 season
@@Perseus-kw3xc12-8=4 ~12 points pretty big difference
Arsenal went unbeaten in the league and lost outside the league 7 times, Chelsea lost 6 times the next year.... including 1 in the league what The Invincibles did was nothing short of a miracle, he's also using "arbitrary" random about that season
Draws, nicking goals in low scoring games... the Invincibles weren't that great
@@monkeytennis8861 73 goals that year says otherwise and Arsenal won the league with a back 4 that cost 0£ The Invincibles were one of the greatest teams to ever play football
@@jamescannon4925 nah
@@jamescannon4925 Chelsea scored 72 in 04-05 and conceded 11 less and 5 more points
Yet the best ever Chelsea team with the best defensive record in history couldn't go invincible
Low-key, he’s correct that the 2001-02 team was clear of the Invincibles…
The greatest defensive team ever vs the team that couldn't be beaten...
Im a Chelsea fan so I'm obviously going to pick us BUT even looking at it as un-biased as possible, that Arsenal team did get 90 points to chelseas 95 points. Chelsea, although not going undefeated, had not only more points, but also the better defensive record (15 goals which still stands untouched to this day)
Like I said I'm taking Chelsea no matter what but the history between both of these seasons cannot be underestimated. These are arguably 2 of the greatest seasons ever
Mourinho's team had more points, but since then that point tally has been eclipsed by other teams, funny that no one has also gone invincible yet
Stupid argument. Funny Chelsea only conceded 15. Funny city got 100 points. Both yet to be replicated, so your point?
Arsenal had Henry, Bergkamp, Pires and Vieira
Chelsea had Drogba, Robben, Lampard and Joe Cole
Both had great defenders and keeper
Arsenal were an attacking team with Henry winning golden boot most seasons.
Chelsea were a little more cautious with Essian and Makelele protecting the back 4 but had a great out ball in Drogba
Both great sides but I’d bet on Arsenal if that game existed.
They were simply 11 straight winners with the toughest mentalities
That game did exist, in 04/05 and they drew both games and Chelsea won the league.
@@specialperson335 arsenal weren’t invincible’s when those games happened
@@specialperson335 Hmmmmmmmm... would say 04/05 Chelsea 1-0 but anyway.
I don't know how somebody outside of London grows up to be an Arsenal fan
Family connection, brand of football. It's pretty simple really.
Who's your team?
Didn’t he say Haaland would flop in the PL? 😂😂😂
Yeah, but that's not related
The only reason why Arsenal's invincible team got talked about a lot was because they didn't win shit for 10 years, so they needed to always bring that up in arguments against other teams when they got clowned for being trophyless for that long. Imagine Arsenal had Chelsea's trophy cabinet after 2003, the invincibles would barely be brought up.
Did Chelsea even have a trophy cabinet before 2003 though, Chelsea only became relevant when the Russian took over before that Chelsea was a dead club
wrong.the reason they are talked about is because they went a season unbeaten.its never been done.No team other than the Arsenal team of 03-04 can call themselves invincible.No team.Cry some more if it helps you.
@@SuziesAshes10 you are the real cry cry baby.
@@SuziesAshes10 I'll be honest it seems like you are the one crying.
chelsea’s record points tally were beaten by city while arsenal remain the only team to go unbeaten in the premier league so..
Rory's spot on the team with the most points is the best team simple citys 100 points is the best prem team unfortunately
This Wayne bridge story is so underrated
Lol best Chelsea 05/06 team would have got against the invincibles was a draw😂
Chelsea literally did beat arsenal in the invincible season
Chelsea beat and knocked out the invincibles in the champions league
@@olilais92 its still the same arsenal team, therefore evidently 04/05 would get more than a draw cause we literally did
Yeah no FFP and signing anyone and everyone in doing so. If you’re gonna use oil money at least build something close to near perfection like Manchester City.
@@FatTodd we’ve won the most trophies since 04…
Wonder what Arsenal fans will do when City go invincible this season (and have a lot less draws).
Will they tho? You can sit here and say they wilk after 9 matches but when we celebrate being top the league after 9 u call us delusional. You see the stupidity in your comments and one sided arguments constantly against arsenal lmao?
@@b5Bart but recent history shows us that Man City stay consistent nearly the entirety of the season, recent history also shows us that arsenal don’t stay top for very long.
@@Jaybale3 yeah i agrer but if you think this is the same old arsenal then clearly all you watch in football is the highlights on youtube.
@@b5Bart arsenal is definitely different and have got more of a fight in them but sadly I don’t see them winning the league 😢
This liverpool team in recent times was better than the current arsenal team but didn’t win the league
@@suyamsubedi7178 were after top 4 as of right now. Only the goofs will sit here and say were winning it for sure.
thats the dude who said Haaland is a flop Ladies and Gentlemen
Rory usually chats shit but he's got a point. 12 draws is not a great stat.
Mourinho’s team was made by financial doping. They were the reason FFP rules came into existence. Arsene grew the invincibles and Rory is a clown.
Wenger also grew the Invincible with money...
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Come to the conclusion after watching two videos of this guy that he knows sweet FA about football
To not lose is impressive but to only concede 15 goals is aswell.
If you drew every game of the season you could be both invincible and yet potentially relegated, points are more important. Invincibles is a status thing, but it would have been more impressive if they didn't draw soo many.
Invincibles would have only won 2 titles in the last 7 years with the points they had.
Chelsea 04/05 would achieve 4 titles out of the last 7 years.
City 17/18 was crazy though, 100 points 100+goals.
Rory was 100% spot on only Arsenal fans will disagree
One got 90 points the other 95. There's your answer. And the one who got 95 conceded the least goals in a season in premier league history and only didn't go unbeaten because of a dodgy pen.
Spot on, we all saw that pires dive
@@Nev91280 Na it was against Man City when Anelka scored
@@parmaman8551 pires took a dive against Portsmouth i believe it was as well
@@Nev91280 Ah sorry didn't realise you were referring to Arsenal cheating.
@@parmaman8551 yes to prolong the invincible run