im not rly familiar with the latin american disney channel community and was wondering why bia will probably not get a third season. if u could respond or say something in another video thatd be great. anyways ly cait
I agree with u for the disrespect for Jay and Carlos. Mostly Jay Jay BARLEY talk. Carlos have a storyline at least. Mostly the main characters was Mal, Ben, evie, uma. Also uma squad is kinda ruined too tho. We barely know about Gaston son but we know a lil more about harry hook
Not going to lie Maya and Lucas had way more chemistry than Riley and Lucas and when they were telling her that she was being like Riley I was like how does that compute in your brain that what you are giving a very liked character does not make any sense what so ever.
It's probably because Maya and Riley always have the same effect on each other we saw one of the episodes that whichever group Miley within a whichever group Riley was in it would be good or bad and it just made it seem like Riley had a bigger effect on Maya another way of saying it is Riley and Maya are like dark and light light there is darkness to for you can't have the sun without shadows and we can't have night without the moon and stars
There was a "Shake It Up" episode near the end where CeCe is accidentally put into an honors class and surprises everyone (including herself) with her intelligence. They even had her go on a really cute date with a smart guy. I liked how that showed some real development in her character, but then they let the whole thing drop.
Yeah Ikr, I'm also dyslexic it hurt that the made the dyslexic character the dumb girl, it made me think what everyone said about me was true, but I continued watching because I love Bella Thorne I look up to her
Also the episode where Rocky and Cece were our to do an egg project and Rocky refused to believe in Cece and decided to get a new partner behind Ceces back so Cece did the project herself and was the only one in class to get an A by putting an egg in a jar of peanut butter, which I also used in real life and got an A
She definitely should’ve stayed with the smart guy(I forgot his name) because they were adorable for the screen time they had together and they complimented each other really well, the excuse that they weren’t compatible was stupid because they did the same thing with rocky being cece’s “smart” voice and “ty” being his “cool” voice, like they had the same exact plan it was stupid but cute
The fact that Mason wouldn't leave her alone while she lives with Harper was weird! The old Mason would've respected her feelings and stayed friends with her. They made Mason super pushy and overly possessive and I never understood why. The Wizard of the Year episode was completely out of character for him.
Im sorry but I always dislike this couple. Mason had zero personality. I thought it was kind of cool that he was an artist and I thought that could be something the two bond over but Alex doesn't even like his work and it's rarely brought up after the episode he was introduced. I feel like girls just liked him because he was British. Then when he wasn't boring he was being problematic. The fact that people glaze over that HE LITERALLY ATE DEAN drives me nuts. As well as the fact that the thing that makes Alex forgive him is her looking at his memories and it's only memories of her. Girl, that is NOT romantic! It's creepy and obsessive! He also seemed way too passive for Alex. Half of thier relationship was Alex bossing him around which made me dislike Alex. Like they just bring out the worst in eachother 🙄 Instead of giving him actual character development they made him a werewolf and chose magic drama over character development. Or any sort of character/personality whatsoever
The boys of Descendants in general needed more attention. I'm also including Ben in there as well. He was the soon to be King and he was barely there in the second and third movie.
@@AJ-xc4qe Here's a good storyline. Jay discovers that Jafar isn't really his father. It turns out he's actually Aladdin and Jasmine's son and he was stolen from them when he was a baby, because Jafar wanted to make them suffer. Jay reunites with his actual parents and he struggles adjusting at first, but his bro Carlos has his back. What you think? Sound good?
disagree as someone with dyslexia and other disabilities learning and other. i’m really sick and tired of the “i’m SAD and EMBRSESSED about my disability so i HiDE it” shit i’m sick and tired of the abled characters ‘accepting’ it and saying “it’s not shameful” i know it’s trying to be supportive but it’s not. in efforts to denounce the idea it’s shameful they end up making disabled people feel as if we are supposed to feel ashamed as that’s what they are portraying even if they says “no it’s fine” they are still showing people being inherently ashamed by their disability thinking they are broken and worthless and having one be told by abled people they aren’t disgusting and broken. i’m not good at getting points across so in short portraying disabled people as inherently ashamed of their disability contributes thinking disabilities are shameful and you should be ashamed of them. it also portrays disabled people as to stupid to understand they aren’t broken and have to be told so. and it’s full of abled savior shit. i don’t need an abled person to say they don’t think i’m a cripple to not hate myself. also it over dramatic af people finding out your disabled isn’t something to cry about and i’m pretty sure no disabled person would actually do that shit.
it's called flanderisation and it happens aaall the time in sitcoms. it means making one character trait e.g. being a little spacey/out there, and making it their entire personality in an exaggerated way. imo victorious did this with cat too.
Happens in pretty much every comedy show. Look at Kevin and Erin from the office, Joey from friends, Cat in victorious, Max in Wizards, Andy from parks and rec, Eric in boy meets world, Brittany in Glee...
the whole "maya becomes riley" plot was actually so stupid. like they took away who maya was because she was "morphing into riley" and that she only liked lucas because of that? it made absolutely no sense. they took the maya OUT of maya, and it was really disappointing.
Riley was like oh no she likes dresses and is getting better grades and is having character development? NONO BAD SHES BECOMING ME. Like yes make your own BESTFRIEND feel as if her growing up having character devolopement is just her trying to copy you
I just realized that probably the reason she did this was because she knew they had a better chance of getting and being together so she convinced Maya she was her. so did Riley really change Maya into somebody she wasn’t because she was showing who she truly was. If so Maya needs a new friend
I agree. Even when I was younger I wondered how that even happened and what the message was supposed to be to kids. “Beware or your good influence might suck your souls and replace it with theirs” ??
@@missrileyadams423 yeah the bad thing is a lot of us watched it at a young age at impressionable age. I loved Riley and found her behaviour a bit but I loved her till I watched these tiktoks talking about her toxic and manipulative behaviour. She's the equivalent of "toxic positivity"
@@laurajusta4172 I totally agree. I was watching a psychologist review Joy from Inside Out and it was the same character, except the movie knew what it was doing in Inside Out lol
Riley was like the biggest disappointed for me because I used to related so much to her when I was in middle school; being the bright kid who's actually very insecure and stuff. But then they made her be this toxic person who dislikes seeing her friend becoming a better person??? what??? and the whole love triangle thing still gives me nightmares. Girl Meets World could've been a lot better :(
I hated the love triangle. Especially for their treatment of Lucas. Like when Riley ended things and was just like "we're just friends now, so you will start dating Maya" without even really ever taking into account that Lucas actually has feelings of his own. And some of that was the writing of Lucas' character that he just let them without saying anything, but it just made his character seem kind of...dull? Like he has to be told his own feelings. Her character really went from like a flawed, but positive and optimistic person who was supportive of her friends to kind of dumb, controlling, kind of preachy and judgmental (especially in the episode where they bring up religion) and full of toxic positivity.
Yes especially the triangle Maya didn’t want to hurt Riley’s heart so she decided to not love Lucas in my opinion plus clothes and grades do t change the person. I always felt that Riley always saw Maya as the dangerous bad kid but if she looked closer she could’ve seen that Maya has a beautiful heart and cares more than Riley about her friends and always wanted the best for them. Unfortunately I wish I could say the same for Riley but she was always in Rileytown and always got what she wanted and always focused on herself and was selfish while Maya focused on everyone but herself and when she found who she was everybody thought she was turning into Riley.that show was so good until they made Lucas choose Riley and made Riley a selfish brat. Sorry to the Rucas shippers but Lucaya had more passion and love then Rucas ever did they loved each other but kept there mouths close to make Riley happy because she was in Rileytown and never saw the real world. Sorry for my rant
I feel with the sharpay argument, there is one thing going on. Yes, she was the alpha in high school, but as soon as she enters the real world, it makes sense that she has to learn the value of hard work and there will always be someone bigger and more powerful than you. Sharpay learns and experiences this in the film. At least she found herself again in the end.
But like, was she even really an alpha in high school? The basketball team made fun of her after she hit on Troy and part of the reason Gabrielle and Troy got the part is because it got people to show up, meaning that people didn't show up to see Sharpay. So, I mean...seems like she might have only been popular in her head.
@@kaya119 i get that, but she still had a lot of power. She jeopardized people’s jobs including threatening an adult man who should have been her superior, switched the callbacks, made her brother hate her from time to time,etc. she was not too bad in the last film.
How is SHARPAY on this list? An arguemtn can be made for Mac or Tess or whatever, I suppose, even though I disagree witht hem, but Sharpay is one of the few DCOM characters who is so amazing that she exceeds the movie sphere. I mean she might be the only one. Like there are amazing characters in Disney Channel shows, but for movies only Sharpay rings as standing with them, or even above them. She's the queen of cool, although I will say the Status Quo thing is dumb as a brick. Stupid song too. But what makes her cool is that she's confident, fabulous, puts on stunning shows, she is full of life and spirit, and like Garbriella by contrast is very reserved, she might be the star of the movies but it's Sharpay who makes everything work. Which is why what they did with Sharpay in the TV show is so dumb. It doesn't matter that they're trying to be representational. You do NOT do that to one of the best, I say one of the best because now I know Paige Olvera, Jasmine Kang, Harley Diaz, and Rachel Diaz, all amazing, and Sharpay goes with them.
Thats why i lo e the movie. But the ending where she gets the part that is again very hsm sharpay. I guess its a dcom and It had to end like that.. but having her not getting the main role and still let her dog act in he play would been more realistic and better for character development
I felt there was somewhat gaslighting towards Maya. She herself knew she was growing and becoming mature but the people around tried to convince her that she was turning into Riley. She knew she was herself.
Thank you and I think they made Riley selfish and caught up in Rileytown if she had seen the real world I think she would’ve realized that she and Lucas never belonged together.
Yes! Maya had finally become herself and the directors were like: “Yeah, see this character development? Let’s just ruin all of this progress we made and make Maya someone she’s not” it was really annoying how dirty they did Maya because she was finally herself.
when i first saw the episode i thought maya was being satirical when she agreed w everyone around her that she was “becoming” riley. especially with that weird scene w the brunette wig, i fully thought she was joking and poking fun at everyone trying to convince her she’d lost herself, almost as if to say “how are *you* gonna tell me who *i* am” without actually saying ig
Same! I've said it before as well; it's sad that people brush it off and believe that Maya becomes more like Riley It's super sad and makes me rage Please, if you write that essay, share it, as I would LOVE to read it!
In Lab Rats, I feel like the whole main cast just became more of stereotypical archetypes by the end of the series. They were interesting early on, but by the time it reached the Bionic Island, Adam was the strong, dumb mentor; Bree was the pretty girl; and Chase was the nerd. Only Leo felt a bit more natural. The rest of them were just stereotypes so that there could be a larger focus on the bionic side cast.
I noticed this too! I love Lab Rats so I hated to see it but it felt like any character development or personality just kind of disappeared. I also noticed that they started to feel less like a family and just make fun of each other a lot more too, and I hated that since one of the things I loved most was their family dynamic and the love they all had for each other at the end of the day. Feels kind of missing in bionic island
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed this! I agree that they all made fun of each other much more too. Maybe that’s why they get so stereotyped. The script was so focused on making fun of each other, that they just ignored all character development for the sake of a joke.
To be honest, I actually liked the episodes where the fourth sibling was introduced... Though that was completely not needed for any reason whatsoever.
Well apparently, according to the wiki Bradys last name is Derulo, as in Jason Derulo, his dad's name is Rocky, he's dead, and Bradys full name is Brady Jekyll Rocky Derulo I just found that out like an hour ago, just When I thought Austin Moon having the middle name of Monica was ridiculous
I always thought, that Riley & Maya didn't wanted to let Lucas chose. They wanted to make this decision themselves to save their friendship. It always felt, that they didn't allow Lucas to have an opinion on the whole triangle. He needed to shut up & let them figure it out. I kinda hated that he didn't had a say (at least it felt like that to me).
I totally agree. Especially because Lucas didn’t even really make a decision in the end. Maya decided for them. The whole love triangle was definitely controlled by the girls with Lucas’s feelings being an after thought. Farkle even participated in that. Instead of letting Lucas decide how he felt and if he wanted to pursue Maya, Farkle pushed Riley into the love triangle and made it about her feelings.
And if he did have a say we all know he would have chosen Maya, I mean they had so much freaking chemistry and him and Riley were just meh seriously. And if they bad let him chose as I said Riley would definitely feel betrayed and leave Maya not be her friend any more
Seriously though and then apparently maya never had feelings for him ? That’s such bullshit they just forced him to choose Riley he liked maya I know he did and who knows he could have actually wanted to pick maya but he never got the chance because they didn’t care about his feelings at all
I would add London Tipton from her change between The Suite Life of Zack and Cody to On Deck. She had so much potential in z&c, which we saw in episode where she was poor or when her stepmom came. Her relationship with Maddie also played a major part in what made her character so good and feel more realistic. I feel like On Deck should have allowed us to see her relationship with Bailey get better. But instead of taking the good qualities that her and Maddie had, they instead chose to just have London say all these negative things about Bailey. Also I feel like her character got even more dumb than she was in the first season of Zack & Cody. However I am not too upset by that, because Brenda Song made like every dumb line hilarious (she doesn’t get the credit she deserves)
I've noticed this as a common trend with TV shows in general (not just on disney), where they make a kind of "dumb" character progressively more dumb as the show goes along to the point where it's just unrealistic/ridiculous how dumb they are. For example, this happened with max on wizards of waverly place as well...or Sam from Glee. They also did that with CeCe as Cait mentioned in this vid. Pretty sad to see :/
@@sabahk oh I HATE so so so much what they did with Sam on Glee, ha wasn't dumb , actually he had a very crazy random humor , but then Ryan Murphy had to make him look dumb so he could date brittany and become a failed model ugh
@Sabah Yeah, like Joey from Friends. I would be interesting to see a character who starts as this "dumb" person grow into someone that tries hard to learn and grow from their past mistakes
@@cassidyweathers Joey from Friends is another great example. He deserved better! And yeah I agree! I hate how some characters just get tagged as the dumb ones and then are stuck with that trope just for a couple one-liners and easy jokes
Honorable mention should be London Tipton who got somehow dumber and dumber throughout the show and had so many plot holes in the basis for her stupidity that I started to feel sorry for Brenda Song through watching Suite Life on Deck. Like London was always dumb, and yet she had touching moments where she could actually make smart observations about the people around her and she was compassionate and had instances where you saw how lonely she was. By the time she was on the SS Tipton, she got less compassionate, more stupid, like dangerously stupid, and her backstory became thinner and thinner. Really disappointing. She made a lot of progress on the first show, and they completely washed her out in the second show.
YES!!!! like in the cross over episode with Hannah Montana and she drops Hannah's Bracelet from her mom into the ocean. i was like the London from the suite Life would've at least apologized after dropping it into the ocean. That always bugged me that London didn't care basically.
A few episodes before the season finale, Bailey Pickett (who also sucks for her misandry as shown in the beginning of “Paris in Breakup (Part 2)” even though it’s clear that Cody was just having a practice date, not a real date, with London) even stood up to London Tipton for her douchey behaviour towards her (until she decided to become submissive to London’s abusiveness). This is why she shouldn’t act THIS stupid because she’s pretty much turned into Mater in Cars 2. If you saw the second Hannah Montana/The Suite Life on Deck crossover in season 3, you’d know exactly what I’m talking about.
Omg I remember hating the way mason was treating Alex and wishing we had the old mason. Like he was being so disrespectful to Alex when she said she wasn’t ready for a boyfriend yet! Like come on, that is not our mason and not the mason we all know and love. Our mason would have loved and respected Alex and instead Disney decided, “hey! Let’s make mason a possessive needy guy for the drama, our fans will love that!” Newsflash, we don’t!
For me at least I truly feel like Emma from Jessie was ruined since on Jessie she started out as a really sweet, girly and a very fashionable teenage girl who strives to do her best with everything she does, despite being a bit of an airhead. She was shown to be somewhat ditzy at times, but was actually extremely intelligent and has displayed the intellectual edge over many people. Yet as shown on Bunk'd she just became a stereotypical dumb blonde girl which was really disappointing to see because I always loved Emma and they ruined her character.
I’ve never heard anyone talk about mason like this, and I completely agree. I always felt like he was being unfair in those episodes but most people brush past his behaviour. You’re the voice of the people
I didn’t see Wizards all the way so I was confused. I was a kid atm so yeah. Honestly it reminds me of how they made her brother dirty in love. He was so cute yet made him suffer more than Alex and in some areas kinda creepy
I feel like the crimes Fluteless charged Frollo with at the end of part 2 would all have to be the same crimes as Frollo caused from “psychological abuse” (“I’m a man, I can’t help it.” YES, HE CAN!!!!!!!! WHAT A SEXIST!!!!!!!) to “sexual harassment” to “assault and battery” to “more attempted murders”. m.ua-cam.com/video/fsiXDyhYTI0/v-deo.html m.ua-cam.com/video/EYaX9JuhW8I/v-deo.html
Mal and Audrey from Descendants should be included on this list in my opinion for the way they drastically changed in Descendants 3. Mal went from living in the isle of the lost and wanting to help them in d1, then wanting to go back to it in d2, and then wanting to permanently close the barrier in d3 forgetting about all the people who don’t deserve to be there. While Audrey seemed like she was going to be nice based on the end of the first movie, but then went back to being all jealous and stuff in D3
Well regarding Audrey: I believe timeline wise it's been a year between the first and the third movie so she could have gotten a lot of crap about 'losing' Ben from her grandmother like we've seen in D3. She could have reflected more and more and got jealous over time and finally imploded in D3. Maybe I'm looking to far into what's not quite there i don't know
Thinking about this some more after watching The Queen of Mean, it's not really bad writing in this but instead an anti-redemption arc where Audrey, instead of becoming good, becomes evil. She was never the villain to begin with. I think that's an important distinction of this.
I honestly think that Zack and Cody ruined Maddy/ie she started off as a hard working smart girl who's trying to prove herself because she doesn't have as much money. But then she became kind of bratty and was always trying to prove that even though she doesn't have as much money as London she was better
Caitlin: This is basically the opposite of that video, but I do what I want Caitlin: (talking about braids) I’m living my best life I LOVE THIS CONFIDENCE!!
They ruined Maya. I loved Maya. They changed Maya then said she was pretending then changed her back. Like no. Edit: It was like they realized rucas is a bad idea and went with lucaya so the could do riarkle but then wanted farlke and smackle together so they backed up from the idea of lucaya so riley could have a love interest
This still bugs me, the show tried to say it was a realistic take on life but I don’t think anyone turns into their best friend and fall in love with their best friends crush simply for kicks.
It's probably because Maya and Riley always have the same effect on each other we saw one of the episodes that whichever group Miley within a whichever group Riley was in it would be good or bad and it just made it seem like Riley had a bigger effect on Maya another way of saying it is Riley and Maya are like dark and light the light there is darkness to for you can't have the sun without shadows and we can't have night without the moon and stars
Honestly that was just lazy on the writer's side and they didn't know how to ruin Lucaya and make Rucas canon but they could come up with a better explanation than THaT
what bothers me is the love triangle I mean Maya suddenly stop liking Lucas and later was after Josh like nothing happened only because Riley still liked him you have your chance with him and let him go the least you could have done is being happy for your best friend and encourage her in pursuing a relationship with Lucas because you wanted her to be happy but no she was selfish only thinking about herself instead of her two best friend's well being and happiness. Riley was the one that made Lucas being confused about how he felt towards both of them I hate her for that.
My number one ruined character is Ryan Evans. In HSM2, he realized how selfish Sharpay was and that she was only holding him back, stepped away and had such great character development. We saw that he was kind, sensitive and a great friend. Then in HSM3 (which I know isn't a DCOM, so maybe he doesn't count haha), he just went back to scheming and such. He isn't awful in HSM3, but I definitely feel like they threw half of his character development out the window and made him a slightly nicer Sharpay instead of his own character like they did in the second movie.
going off of the cece character development, I feel nick did the same thing with cat from victorious. she was a normal teen that just was a little more giggly, bubbly and a little air headed, but she wasn't really stupid. after the first season they made her this really dumb girl who couldn't have even passed 6th grade, like you said "stereotypical dumb character", changing her voice from more teen like to more babyish, changed her entire wardrobe from fashionable dresses and heels to jeans and flats with her hair the exact same way everytime. Got even worse I feel in the sam and cat spinoff. and it made me sad to see. not Disney, but just needed to vent because the cece one reminded me of it
And Ariana is a Broadway actress and THAT CAT role is what they wanted her to play? Also, if you see her The Slap videos, she does some uncomfortable, suggestive things like spilling water on herself upside down.
Ikkk that’s why I can’t watch Sam and Cat not bc the show was kinda bad but because they completely ruined Cat’s character she seems like a completely different person she was way to stupid and way to bubbly and kidish, I wish they would have left the cat from season 1 through the entirety of the shows.
it got even worse when all that stuff about dan schneider came out, rewatching victorious episodes now it’s crazy how many creepy things went over our heads :/
It also ended up having no consequences. Lucas chose Reilly after it being dragged out way too long, and Maya was just fine with it. I’ve seen that kind of thing end (or at least temporarily put a stop to) middle school (and let’s be honest, high school and college) girl friendships.
I completely agreed with Carlos and Jay!!!! I mean they have this cute scene in D2 when Carlos is tired of Eve and Mal letting them out of important talks because all of them are family and in D3 they COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THAT
Oh my goooossshhhh this 👏🏽 This right here 😤😤 Why go out of your way to write that insightful scene into the movie only for them to completely throw it out of the window 😤😤
@@Melanie-jy2nw i didn't watch descendants 3 but yeah ikr they literally reduced his character into just a love interest for mal and for pushing the storyline forwards.
@@annetteshum3369 he has even less of a storyline in the third that he had in the second. It’s really disappointing considering that he’s the first character we meet and one who’s really interesting. He literally just becomes the boy Audrey and Mal fought over. By trying to give give Audrey and other new characters more screentime and depth, they sacrificed his.
@@ashleyvelasquez9833 I don’t know that, but you can find all of Soy Luna on Disney Plus L.A. and U.S. (as far as I know) and I’m not sure but I think season 1 and 2 are in Netflix Mexico. You can also find it on Apple TV all of the seasons but you have to pay.
Audrey from Descendants is the worst one. They made it seem like she and Jay were going to become a thing. Same with Sharpay. They made it seem like she was going to date, Zeke. I thought Cassandra in Tangled the Series gets pretty extreme.
In the first one. And then in the second movie, it looks like he was going to go out with Lonnie and she even goes the isle to help save Mal and Ben. But then she is totally absent in the third film.
@@chloeblumke6676 At the end in the last musical number. Mal and Ben are obviously already dancing together. And Evie is dancing with her love interest (whose name escapes me at the moment). Then Carlos invites Jane (his love interest) to dance. And then Audrey comes over and asks Jay to dance and seems to be flirting with him. My guess is she was supposed to be his love interest, but because the actress couldn't be in the second movie because of a scheduling conflict with the TV show Charmed, they ditched that plot. Which made her a convenient villain for the third one.
Yeah when she started the second clip I was holding my breath hoping they wouldn't say something about her dyslexia when she couldn't read the map or couldn't read the email correctly cuz that would have been horrible😧
You would think the characters would remind themself in the paris clip that "oh yeah, she has dyslexia, ofcourse she has trouble reading a map or words at all, we can't blame her" but NOOOO.
in the second CeCe clip, you'd think *her mom, brother and best friend* would remember she has dyslexia, and take the precedent to help with organizing the trip, etc, but instead she gets antagonized. it's like the writers forgot that aspect of her character, which makes her development look even worse
I was so surprised that was her mom and brother. The anger would have made a little more sense if they were not Cece's family, but knowing they were made me sad.
I’m just kinda mad at the whole world of zombies. They tried so hard to get people to accept zombies in the first movie and then the second movie rolls around with the werewolves and everyone immediately does the same thing they did to the zombies. Including the zombies themselves. Almost all the characters were back to where they were in the beginning of the first movie.
i actually thought that was really interesting cause i feel like it really got into how the zombies main goal was just to be accepted and they assimilated to the humans while the werewolves were themselves no matter what. and just because zombies and werewolves are both monsters doesn’t mean they’ll be treated the same. At the very least humans are familiar with zombies and have methods to control them and the zombies are complicit in this and just want to be accepted. The werewolves just do whatever and the humans don’t like that and the zombies (zed specifically) thought this was bad too
I’m sure there was once a Descendants theory that Jay actually is Aladdin’s son but Jafar kidnapped him or something? But I’m not sure how that works out with the timing, but it’s a pretty neat theory
Another great example of the dumb comic relief character that started off pretty good from the first episode but then fell into that type is Chelsea from That's So Raven.
i agree with the descendants boys being underdeveloped, and it's like, part of me gets it bc, a lot of the times, girls are the ones getting less storylines so the fact that they flipped it is nice, and there is the whole thing of marketing to young girls, but the other, bigger part of is like, while i understand that having 4 main characters can make each of them having a developed storyline hard, the core four are a group and they are the CORE FOUR and so i was very much looking forward to having them ALL get storylines. but as you said, in the second movie, jay's individual story was literally 3 scenes in total and carlos had maybe 4 dedicated to him. and in the 3rd movie, it was even less there, like in my head, he and gil have a whole happily ever after but it is in my head, so pretty useless. there was that deleted scene of carlos being sad that jay was leaving for a different college, and i feel like that could've been their storyline, the college thing, like carlos mentioning he got into a vet program, and maybe his sadness at their friend group being apart for the first time since they got to auradon, and having their whle adventure make him realize that they'll always be a part of each other's lives. maybe we could even set up the gil thing by having jay say something at the start of like im cool being the only single person in our group, i would need someone able to keep up with me, and so when gil and him start bonding, we'd know in a more direct manner that gil might be the one for him. it would still be not a lot, but at least it would be something. i think about this a bit too much for my liking
I feel like at least half of the descendants cast could be used for this. Carlos, Jay, Ben, Audrey, Mal, Dizzy, the twins, etc. You get the idea, they just really didn’t do solid, long lasting character development on a lot of them.
Disney: We want to make a sequel to this movie, who should we have as the antagonist? Employee: Remember that mean girl in the first film that turned nice at the end? Disney: ... yeah? Employee: her. Moral of the story, Disney channel can not do character development Also the love triangle ruined their characters and the show :(
Yeah I mean I get that she was upset and her grandma was being kind of toxic about it but that is NOT a good reason to take it out on Everyone by becoming evil imagine if real high school girls did this after break-up🤦🏼
Justin from Wizards...somewhere during the end of season 3 and throughout season 4 Justin became ruder? and more cynical? idk maybe it’s just me but he was so sweet and all of a sudden he was making all the worst decisions like his video message to Alex during her banquet, it’s understandable that he would be upset that Alex got that award but I feel as though Justin wouldn’t have gone to the full extent of filming himself ranting off on her like how it happened on the show
YES! I actually just replied to a comment about that! Justin turns into a jerk more at the later seasons. I actually got cable during season 3 and I liked him the least. He had this air of superiority that pissed me off.
@@TheGuy-u7f he was upset that Alex got an award that was for wizards that work the hardest and she got it for the angels thing, you know how he is about hard work being truly earned
The stuff with CeCe is so sad and frustrating! Especially when you think about that a lot of the mistakes she made in the season three clip are likely a result of her dyslexia. I'm dyslexic, and struggle a lot with maps and can totally see myself misreading that email. To see all the characters berating CeCe for something she has no control over and having zero empathy for her is so hard to watch. The show really shouldn't have turned CeCe into dizzy comic relief, but the least they could have done was provide the actual context to why she sometimes gets in binds like the France trip. Not that it would have been easy to do that in a non-ableist way. The fact that the show just forgot she was dyslexic or didn't care enough to do anything with it is so frustrating. I'm glad Disney channel has made strides with characters like TJ from Andi Mack who has dyscalculia. They have a long way to go with representing disability, but at least they've grown since Shake It Up.
@@danielaroa7932 Same, never watched the show but I was even more dissapointed at the second clip learning those two berating her were her brother and mother who, in hindsight, should have known about her dyslexia yet they berate her - painful to watch.
And Cece’s “dumb” moments were usually just mistakes CAUSED BY HER DYSLEXIA!! Her misreading the email, not comprehending the scale on the map. So it’s even more upsetting to see her family and best friend basically call her stupid for something she can’t control. It’s really disturbing honestly
Oh don’t worry, Eugene was DEFINITELY ruined. He was third-wheeled in favor of Cassandra, demoted to comic relief, barely taken seriously by anybody in Corona even though he SAVED THE PRINCESS, and painted in the wrong when he told Rapunzel to let go of her abusive friendship with Cass. Tangled the Series did Tangled so dirty and everyone in that show (except King Frederic and Cass because they SUCK) deserved way better, especially Eugene.
I felt very similarly about eugene too! I couldn't figure out why for a while because he did still have his fun snarky personality, and his relationship with rapunzel was really great, but personally I think it's because disney had to get rid of his "thief" persona. The fact that he went from a lovable criminal to a COP felt so weird... I think without his ability to play fast and loose with the law anymore he really lost a lot of that "morally ambiguous but with a heart of gold" charm.
I hate the series so much because of this. They completely ruined his character, they reduced him to the dumb boyfriend side character and made the whole show just about rapunzel and cassandra even though in the movie it was all about rapunzel and flynn/ eugene and they were one of the only disney couples who were completely equal and also equally developed. In the series he has no development at all, he's just stupid and their relationship is never romantic at all. They ruined it so much and it's probably because frozen was more popular so they gave rapunzel a sister and made the whole show about them and reduced the love interest to the dumb boyfriend side character just like kristoff in frozen 2. I really hate the series because if this. Flynn/eugene deserved better!
@@magdalinaestiverne4695 Yeah! Alex and Dean were so funny together. I didn’t mind Mason at the start, but then he kind of became more and more annoying and whiny in series 4.
Honestly I 100% AGREE with the whole Mason thing!! That's the reason why I can't decide if I like Alex better with Dean or Mason Edit: I do absolutely LOVE Alex and Mason at first and they are so cute and funny! But when he gets really annoying is when they get annoying. And I think Alex and Dean's first kiss episode is sooo cute and sweet
I didn't like his character as much in those episodes either but I don't know if I'd compare it to dean. From what I remember dean was pretty immature and didn't really have anything in common with Alex.....
It's so sad what they did to Cece. They did it to Chelsea on That's So Raven too - she started out as silly and a little random, but by the end of the show they'd written her to have the IQ of an empty plastic bag. She was even one of the best singers on that show (she's on Broadway now for Pete's sake). Especially given the first clip you picked of Cece, it looks like this type of "character development" has gotten even worse.
I love Eugene Fitzherbert with my whole heart but I do agree that he feels different in the show in comparison to the movie version. I feel like the writers blurred the lines between his confidence and flirty personality to having a big ego, and it makes his character come off as annoying and a nuisance. They never let him develop as his own character and he just becomes Rapunzel's boyfriend, even though his past and trauma are just as complex as Rapunzel's. His sole purpose in the show is being comic relief, which falls flat most of the time considering most of it centers around him being arrogant.
@@rosiemcgosie7376 Justin was kind of a jerk in the later seasons. He expected to be respected by his class, but he didn’t respect them much either. He had his moments
I definitely agree about the Eugene point. He got slightly relegated to comic relief. While I adore what they did with Cassandra, she kinda just took Eugene's place.
London Tipton! Like she was always the dumb comic relief character even the original Suite Life, but at least she had some depth and was actually friends with the other characters. In Suite Life on deck, her dumbness was just so exaggerated, she wasn't really friends with anyone, and it seemed like her whole personality revolved around how much she didn't like living with Bailey. The moment with Mosby at the end of the show was like her only deep moment
To be honest YES. They did the thing where she went from shy to confident but once she became confident she just became so generic. She was just annoyingly quirky and didn’t have her own unique identity.
I noticed this so much. In the beginning she was shy and quiet but when she got over her stage fright it was like they couldn't have her be confidant *AND* nice, and all of her jokes were at the expense of others.
The map clip for Cece is a huge pet peeve of mine, especially since I also have dyslexia. Like reading maps can be super difficult and everyone in that group know that she has the condition. Why not ask one of the others to navigate? Why not get her an electronic eReader that would audibly explain the text and symbols on the map and the phone? The writers either forgot or simply don't understand the disorder / accommodations that can be made for it
With Sharpay, I feel like her change of character makes sense at least. She was such a headstrong and bossy character who always got what she wanted in HSM. But the real world of theater will humble you fairly quick. You can't expect to land all the lead roles as a newcomer. She is incredibly talented there's no denying that. But her accomplishments in high school don't hold much weight compared to that of the others who have been doing theater on broadway for years. There's always going to be someone above you. She got humbled and learned to work hard and eventually found herself at the end of the film.
GMW, they said it's a story about friendship, then make the love triangle, and then, they say AGAIN that it's about friendship. You know what I think? It's about Rilaya, it's a love story about Riley and Maya, with a bit of their friendships and family, just like BMW, but not as good. I love the show, but it just doesn't compare to BMW
Jay & Carlos were done SO dirty!!! They deserved more focus and plotlines. Also the Jay as Aladdin's kid theory I think actually has a ton of fanfic behind it and it's not bad
No one really talks about Max russo. I hated how they would give him depth and actual emotions but then make him the “dumb character” again, I liked how they gave him a girlfriend but they just quickly went over that and I don’t even know what happened with her. I wish Max had more character development
oh god your comment about Aladdin being Jay's dad just made me remember a 2015 tumblr theory/headcanon/maybe fanfic? that basically said the same thing, I think the theory was that Jafar kidnapped Jay as a baby
omg thank you for making this point about mason. i never thought of it like that but i'm glad you spoke up about this. jay and carlos are deserved more screentime in the third one. but cece was also in and AP class if i remember correctly so she was still smart.
I agree with your point about Eugene. I love him so much in the movie but in the show he was just not himself in a way. I might just like him less in the show cause I keep comparing him to Cass but like idk he seemed less iconic in the show
3:16 I love when people refer to her as "Tess from camp rock" even in or out of context, cause it reminds me so fondly of Julia Cudney in her mean girls 2 video (mean girls 2 is a garbage movie)
Ohmygosh the Delfi thing made me so mad!! The scene in season 1 where she was talking to Nina about choosing to be good and stuff made me smile so big! And we did get so many good Delfi scenes at the end of season 1!! And I'm glad she was good for more than a season after that but still it made me really sad that they did that to her character!
The girl meets world plot made me so mad. All of maya’s friends basically said “ We don’t like that your happy now, that you have moved past your dad leaving, that you realize school is important, and that your dressing like an adult. Please turn back into an angry hurt child so that you can be ‘real’ again.” Like that is not how growing up works, and if your “friends” treat you like it is? There not your friends.
I’m glad someone is talking about the Mason thing. He started out really sweet and great. Then, after he comes back, his character is kind of whiny and he constantly begs Alex. He always calls her lazy or selfish and doubts her abilities. He also seems self-centered and vain, like when he gets captured by the fake authorities because he was admiring himself in a mirror. So, he doesn’t respect Alex’s wishes in the WOTY episode and the apartment episodes. Then, in the final episode, though he is cheering for her, he keeps bringing up how he had no faith in her and how he’s a little embarrassed rooting for her. That just really bothered me. Less awful, 8n my opinion, is his behavior in Alex vs Alex. He picks the wrong Alex specifically because he doesn’t think she would possibly do something nice for Harper. Alex even acknowledges this in the end, when she says Harper is the only person who is happy with who Alex is. It was very disappointing and jarring, because, at his best, Mason is great. At his worst, he’s downright horrid.
I think the worst part about Cece is that when they establish she has dyslexia and then go on to make her the "dumb character" it gives a bad rep to people with Dyslexia.
Have you noticed that how in many recent disney channel shows they always make the first couple the endgame ship??? Like in wizards of Waverly place and hannah Montana they get to have multiple relationships and their endgame relationships are not the ones they started the show with,, but in good luck Charlie, girl meets world etc they make the s1 ships the final ship???
They really did Maya so dirty in GMW, Maya finally became herself, who she wanted to be and everyone just said “Oh no, you’re just turning into Riley!” When she had actually had character development! She seemed fine the way she was but everyone was trying to convince her that it wasn’t her?! They shouldn’t have controlled her like that. They really ruined Maya.
I completely agree about Mason! I was always so confused why people love him when he left such a bad taste in my mouth from those episodes. I get the earlier season love for him but I’m glad you said it!
My ex has dyslexia and honestly thinking back to this made me so mad. In the Paris episode, they could've had Rocky stand up for her and say "You're her mom, you know about her condition! Why didn't you check her work?"
CeCe jones had SO MUCH potential.... those first episodes are the ones i loved the most.... Also totally with you with the Celeste thing, i almost forgot about her in season 2....
I feel like CeCe ended up like Eric Matthews but the writers of Shake It Up and Bella's comedic timing wasn't as well done as Will Friedle's timing and the writing on Boy Meets World
yess! i didn’t even think about eric but ugh looking back his character was also ruined. gmw just ruined every single character (except for farkle and zay)
Supposedly the original boy meets world was from Corys point of view. So , a older brother seems cool and etc when your younger but as you age you start seeing how he really is.
@@madelinebryant9851 huh. i always thought it was just the actors being given more freedoms to characterize their characters how they wanted so that would naturally change the characters. and then the directors saw the little nuances the actors gave and pushed them and shoved into one box (shawn= bad boy, eric= comedic relief, etc.)
I think Sharpay is more insecure ib her own movie bc she is not in East High anymore. I mean, she played the main character of all the spring musicals East High presented, so she was confident enough to act like the queen she is. However, when she is outside this bubble, and she discovers how Broadway really works, she becomes aware that she is not the one out there. So, maybe that's why Sharpay lets someone be over her, because she starts feeling insecurities after realizing that nobody, except East High students, will treat her like "the queen".
About Mason: In the special when they found out that he is a werewolf, Mason said that werewolf are very passionate (I didn't saw in english so i don't know his exact words) and thats why he said out of nowhere that he never forget Juliet. I think they use that excuse and the fact that Alex save him of being a wolf forever to make him needy and jealousy. Storywise, I think at first he was playing cool boyfriend until Alex realize he was a werewolf and then the world went down (he became a wolf, she transform him back almost and then everyone looked at him diferently for one episode). And after that he starts to show that he is jealous and a bit possessive (and that was a type that Alex used to have and like). But, like Alex, he has to work out these traits, which is more difficult for him because of his werewolf side. But scriptwise I think his cool side was over and It was time to make him a comic relief (I didn't like this), and he became that way for writers make jokes about his antics. 🤷
I never got around to finishing Soy Luna but I definitely agree with Delfi, they completely ruined her character arc. I stopped watching at episode 13 of season 2. But yeah her character does a WHOLE 180. It made me really sad cuz she became one of my favorite characters :/
As a kid I used to LOVE mason and Alex together, but as an adult I realize he was actually really toxic because he told another girl he never stopped loving her, was so jealous of a friend of his girlfriend that he physically attacked her friend who was there for her when he wasn’t, then didn’t respect her boundaries. Like I miss the mason that painted Alex in chalk and truly loved Alex
"Sharpay would never idolize someone, especially someone who doesnt deserve it" Ok but she had a huge crush on Troy Bolton for three films when he is just terrible (I know hot take, but I think Troy is trash and both Sharpay and Gabriella deserved better)
Disney mistake: not having Ryan and Chad get together after that baseball scene in HSM2!! I mean come on how iconic would that have been?! They 100% had chemistry
@@LouisaRubyDDD I know right her singing voice is so underrated. I wish she got more solos. I will never forgive Finn for giving Tina that Gangnam Style solo in S4 of the show.
@@diamond9477 I will never forgive the writers for having her put Vapo rub on Blaine and for asking Mike to marry her...at someone else’s wedding...when they were broken up.
Gotta say, for me the most ruined character has always been Jake Ryan. I will never forget the excitement I had for the achey Jakey heart two parter. They completely ruined his character in the second part, and there after. He could've been a character that had major development from this kinda cocky celebrity to a down to earth guy, but they not only never let him come down to earth, they made him a complete wackadoo. Even in season one he wasn't that crazy, he still had some normal moments, but in the second part of achey jakey heart, he couldn't do anything normal. Not to mention later he cheats on Miley, they completely ruined what could've been great.
IKR everything you just said is so true!!! I loved their relationship and then Disney just ruined him and had him cheat on her! And don't get me wrong I like Jesse and Miley, but they were just a little boring
As someone who's legit rewatching Hannah Montana currently, I agree so so much. I loved the Jake/Miley dynamic and development during the slow-burn phase in S1, and then was happy about them getting that real chance in the 2 part special and then.....the potential did not work well at all. The ending of the 2nd part was intriguing with leaving the door open for the future for a maybe after he matured, but then....he was always kinda still stuck in his own world sadly, and it's a shame because they could have been great.
@@heyyitsjenna exactly! Jesse was just thrown into the mix to stir the pot. They didn't develop his character at all, and they made it like some type of competition between him and Jake in He Could Be the One, which for most of us was an easy choice because we knew nothing about Jesse and unless you hated Jake you were rooting for him. If they had developed the Jesse and Miley relationship before He Could Be The One, then there could've been actual competition. Ugh I'm just so mad how they ruined Jake.
@@girlpower8900 I still feel they made him completely whacky in the second part. Like he always showed a mixture of cockiness and down to earthness, but in that episode it made him just seem cocky. And I always wanted Miley to bring him down to earth and really develop their relationship, but they chose this route instead
So I know this isn't Disney, but the way she talks about how CeCe's character was ruined really reminds me of how they ruined Kat's character in Victorius
I also didn’t like Mason during those episodes and still to this day wish Chase (beast tamer) had more episodes with Alex before Mason and Alex got back together because I loved Alex and Chase’s chemistry
The character that instantly came to mind was Mitchie Torres from the Camp Rock films. In the first one she was that cute and shy aspiring singer and in the second one she was just plain annoying.
I'm so glad you mentioned Eugene! I've always felt that his character was lackluster, and I think it's because Eugene has almost all of his character development happen in Tangled the movie. In the series, there really isn't much else done with his character (and sometimes he even reverts back to some of his egotistical ways, and I struggle to discern if that's really his character or if he's just being used as comedic relief in those contexts). Overall I don't think they ruined his character but I think there was just a lack of potential, and Tangled the series is so much more about Rapunzel and Cas than anyone else, who were REALLY great so I'm ok with it
They ruined his character, they reduced him to the dumb boyfriend side character and gave all the development and emotional scenes to cassandra even though in the movie it was all about flynn/ Eugene and rapunzel. I really don't like the series because of that. Tangled was a romantic love story not a sister's love story like frozen and they turned it into frozen and made the love interest just the dumb boyfriend which I hate.
21:00 that’s me to a tee because I can be cheerful when I am not needed to help out but I also can give great advice and help people and be very serious when I need to be
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Have you ever thought about maybe doing a ranking of what you think are the top 10 best Disney rivalries?
Actually Jafar was a thief.
im not rly familiar with the latin american disney channel community and was wondering why bia will probably not get a third season. if u could respond or say something in another video thatd be great. anyways ly cait
I agree with u for the disrespect for Jay and Carlos. Mostly Jay Jay BARLEY talk. Carlos have a storyline at least. Mostly the main characters was Mal, Ben, evie, uma. Also uma squad is kinda ruined too tho. We barely know about Gaston son but we know a lil more about harry hook
man the girl meets world plot of maya just "acting like riley" was the DUMBEST thing I'd ever heard
Not going to lie Maya and Lucas had way more chemistry than Riley and Lucas and when they were telling her that she was being like Riley I was like how does that compute in your brain that what you are giving a very liked character does not make any sense what so ever.
It literally made no sense
It's probably because Maya and Riley always have the same effect on each other we saw one of the episodes that whichever group Miley within a whichever group Riley was in it would be good or bad and it just made it seem like Riley had a bigger effect on Maya another way of saying it is Riley and Maya are like dark and light light there is darkness to for you can't have the sun without shadows and we can't have night without the moon and stars
it still makes me mad to this day
FR. Like tf does that even mean???
There was a "Shake It Up" episode near the end where CeCe is accidentally put into an honors class and surprises everyone (including herself) with her intelligence. They even had her go on a really cute date with a smart guy. I liked how that showed some real development in her character, but then they let the whole thing drop.
Yeah Ikr, I'm also dyslexic it hurt that the made the dyslexic character the dumb girl, it made me think what everyone said about me was true, but I continued watching because I love Bella Thorne I look up to her
Also the episode where Rocky and Cece were our to do an egg project and Rocky refused to believe in Cece and decided to get a new partner behind Ceces back so Cece did the project herself and was the only one in class to get an A by putting an egg in a jar of peanut butter, which I also used in real life and got an A
i know right i thought that was so stupid
She definitely should’ve stayed with the smart guy(I forgot his name) because they were adorable for the screen time they had together and they complimented each other really well, the excuse that they weren’t compatible was stupid because they did the same thing with rocky being cece’s “smart” voice and “ty” being his “cool” voice, like they had the same exact plan it was stupid but cute
Loved that episode! And I love CeCe and James together! Caitlin made a video about Disney channel ships being ruined and she talked about them
The fact that Mason wouldn't leave her alone while she lives with Harper was weird! The old Mason would've respected her feelings and stayed friends with her. They made Mason super pushy and overly possessive and I never understood why. The Wizard of the Year episode was completely out of character for him.
They made him so desperate that I choose to ignore his scenes and I actively cringe anytime I'm reminded of it.
Im sorry but I always dislike this couple. Mason had zero personality. I thought it was kind of cool that he was an artist and I thought that could be something the two bond over but Alex doesn't even like his work and it's rarely brought up after the episode he was introduced. I feel like girls just liked him because he was British. Then when he wasn't boring he was being problematic. The fact that people glaze over that HE LITERALLY ATE DEAN drives me nuts. As well as the fact that the thing that makes Alex forgive him is her looking at his memories and it's only memories of her. Girl, that is NOT romantic! It's creepy and obsessive! He also seemed way too passive for Alex. Half of thier relationship was Alex bossing him around which made me dislike Alex. Like they just bring out the worst in eachother 🙄 Instead of giving him actual character development they made him a werewolf and chose magic drama over character development. Or any sort of character/personality whatsoever
Ikr, Mason isnt like that! So out of character urgh- as for the "mason ate dean" episode, I personally think that was hilarious lmao
@@yayagldz ...I ate Dean...
@@dinkyrussell75 You just completely dragged my favorite Disney channel ship and oddly enough I have to agree with everything you said 🥴😅😂
The boys of Descendants in general needed more attention. I'm also including Ben in there as well. He was the soon to be King and he was barely there in the second and third movie.
If they weren't going to write enough of the boys, at least do spin-off movies focused on them!
@@AJ-xc4qe yes exactly
And now, unfortunately, we'll never be able to have that. Rest in peace, Cameron.
@@AJ-xc4qe
Here's a good storyline. Jay discovers that Jafar isn't really his father. It turns out he's actually Aladdin and Jasmine's son and he was stolen from them when he was a baby, because Jafar wanted to make them suffer.
Jay reunites with his actual parents and he struggles adjusting at first, but his bro Carlos has his back. What you think? Sound good?
Ben didn't sing in descendants 3 like a solo in the last song it's such a shame that they didn't put the importance that his character deserved
Honestly I forget that Cece talking to Rocky about her dyslexia was actually a pretty well done scene.
Probably because Bella is dyslexic so she’s speaking the truth about dyslexia
@@thecinematicdolphin3803 yea it’s actually really good and it hits me in the feels
It’s incredibly underrated, I can’t believe no one ever talks about it.
Yup I’m just rewatching shake it up and I’m on season 2 rn!
disagree as someone with dyslexia and other disabilities learning and other. i’m really sick and tired of the “i’m SAD and EMBRSESSED about my disability so i HiDE it” shit i’m sick and tired of the abled characters ‘accepting’ it and saying “it’s not shameful” i know it’s trying to be supportive but it’s not.
in efforts to denounce the idea it’s shameful they end up making disabled people feel as if we are supposed to feel ashamed as that’s what they are portraying even if they says “no it’s fine” they are still showing people being inherently ashamed by their disability thinking they are broken and worthless and having one be told by abled people they aren’t disgusting and broken.
i’m not good at getting points across so in short portraying disabled people as inherently ashamed of their disability contributes thinking disabilities are shameful and you should be ashamed of them. it also portrays disabled people as to stupid to understand they aren’t broken and have to be told so. and it’s full of abled savior shit. i don’t need an abled person to say they don’t think i’m a cripple to not hate myself. also it over dramatic af people finding out your disabled isn’t something to cry about and i’m pretty sure no disabled person would actually do that shit.
I hate that these DCOMS have the bad person be good at the end, and then they go back to being the "bad" person in the next movie
Ikr it’s so annoying!
Right like they did this with Tess from camp rock
*cough*Sharpay Evans *cough*
*ahem* mal 👩🏻🎤 *ahem*
@@poilapse fr
Disney just has this bad trope of making characters dumber over time
London and cece are the two biggest examples
it's called flanderisation and it happens aaall the time in sitcoms. it means making one character trait e.g. being a little spacey/out there, and making it their entire personality in an exaggerated way. imo victorious did this with cat too.
Happens in pretty much every comedy show. Look at Kevin and Erin from the office, Joey from friends, Cat in victorious, Max in Wizards, Andy from parks and rec, Eric in boy meets world, Brittany in Glee...
@@bellab2662 Kat in victorious too smh
@@bellab2662 omg ya they made Eric so dumb but I still love him
the whole "maya becomes riley" plot was actually so stupid. like they took away who maya was because she was "morphing into riley" and that she only liked lucas because of that? it made absolutely no sense. they took the maya OUT of maya, and it was really disappointing.
Riley was like oh no she likes dresses and is getting better grades and is having character development? NONO BAD SHES BECOMING ME. Like yes make your own BESTFRIEND feel as if her growing up having character devolopement is just her trying to copy you
I just realized that probably the reason she did this was because she knew they had a better chance of getting and being together so she convinced Maya she was her. so did Riley really change Maya into somebody she wasn’t because she was showing who she truly was. If so Maya needs a new friend
I agree. Even when I was younger I wondered how that even happened and what the message was supposed to be to kids. “Beware or your good influence might suck your souls and replace it with theirs” ??
@@missrileyadams423 yeah the bad thing is a lot of us watched it at a young age at impressionable age. I loved Riley and found her behaviour a bit but I loved her till I watched these tiktoks talking about her toxic and manipulative behaviour. She's the equivalent of "toxic positivity"
@@laurajusta4172 I totally agree. I was watching a psychologist review Joy from Inside Out and it was the same character, except the movie knew what it was doing in Inside Out lol
Riley was like the biggest disappointed for me because I used to related so much to her when I was in middle school; being the bright kid who's actually very insecure and stuff. But then they made her be this toxic person who dislikes seeing her friend becoming a better person??? what??? and the whole love triangle thing still gives me nightmares. Girl Meets World could've been a lot better :(
OMYGOD YSS YES AND I NEVER REALISED THIS STUFF TILL I SAW TIKTOKS TALKING ABOUT ALL THE TOXIC STUFF SHES DONE AND I WAS LIKE WOW
Same!!!
I hated the love triangle. Especially for their treatment of Lucas. Like when Riley ended things and was just like "we're just friends now, so you will start dating Maya" without even really ever taking into account that Lucas actually has feelings of his own. And some of that was the writing of Lucas' character that he just let them without saying anything, but it just made his character seem kind of...dull? Like he has to be told his own feelings. Her character really went from like a flawed, but positive and optimistic person who was supportive of her friends to kind of dumb, controlling, kind of preachy and judgmental (especially in the episode where they bring up religion) and full of toxic positivity.
Yes especially the triangle Maya didn’t want to hurt Riley’s heart so she decided to not love Lucas in my opinion plus clothes and grades do t change the person. I always felt that Riley always saw Maya as the dangerous bad kid but if she looked closer she could’ve seen that Maya has a beautiful heart and cares more than Riley about her friends and always wanted the best for them. Unfortunately I wish I could say the same for Riley but she was always in Rileytown and always got what she wanted and always focused on herself and was selfish while Maya focused on everyone but herself and when she found who she was everybody thought she was turning into Riley.that show was so good until they made Lucas choose Riley and made Riley a selfish brat. Sorry to the Rucas shippers but Lucaya had more passion and love then Rucas ever did they loved each other but kept there mouths close to make Riley happy because she was in Rileytown and never saw the real world. Sorry for my rant
I also wish people would finally realize how toxic Maya was as well but since she's the favorite it will never happen ):
I feel with the sharpay argument, there is one thing going on. Yes, she was the alpha in high school, but as soon as she enters the real world, it makes sense that she has to learn the value of hard work and there will always be someone bigger and more powerful than you. Sharpay learns and experiences this in the film. At least she found herself again in the end.
But like, was she even really an alpha in high school? The basketball team made fun of her after she hit on Troy and part of the reason Gabrielle and Troy got the part is because it got people to show up, meaning that people didn't show up to see Sharpay. So, I mean...seems like she might have only been popular in her head.
@@kaya119 i get that, but she still had a lot of power. She jeopardized people’s jobs including threatening an adult man who should have been her superior, switched the callbacks, made her brother hate her from time to time,etc. she was not too bad in the last film.
How is SHARPAY on this list? An arguemtn can be made for Mac or Tess or whatever, I suppose, even though I disagree witht hem, but Sharpay is one of the few DCOM characters who is so amazing that she exceeds the movie sphere. I mean she might be the only one. Like there are amazing characters in Disney Channel shows, but for movies only Sharpay rings as standing with them, or even above them. She's the queen of cool, although I will say the Status Quo thing is dumb as a brick. Stupid song too. But what makes her cool is that she's confident, fabulous, puts on stunning shows, she is full of life and spirit, and like Garbriella by contrast is very reserved, she might be the star of the movies but it's Sharpay who makes everything work.
Which is why what they did with Sharpay in the TV show is so dumb. It doesn't matter that they're trying to be representational. You do NOT do that to one of the best,
I say one of the best because now I know Paige Olvera, Jasmine Kang, Harley Diaz, and Rachel Diaz, all amazing, and Sharpay goes with them.
I agree
Thats why i lo e the movie. But the ending where she gets the part that is again very hsm sharpay. I guess its a dcom and It had to end like that.. but having her not getting the main role and still let her dog act in he play would been more realistic and better for character development
I felt there was somewhat gaslighting towards Maya. She herself knew she was growing and becoming mature but the people around tried to convince her that she was turning into Riley. She knew she was herself.
Thank you and I think they made Riley selfish and caught up in Rileytown if she had seen the real world I think she would’ve realized that she and Lucas never belonged together.
Yes! Maya had finally become herself and the directors were like: “Yeah, see this character development? Let’s just ruin all of this progress we made and make Maya someone she’s not” it was really annoying how dirty they did Maya because she was finally herself.
Fr them forcing her to be more goth even tho all of the "side characters" liked maya the way she was
when i first saw the episode i thought maya was being satirical when she agreed w everyone around her that she was “becoming” riley. especially with that weird scene w the brunette wig, i fully thought she was joking and poking fun at everyone trying to convince her she’d lost herself, almost as if to say “how are *you* gonna tell me who *i* am” without actually saying ig
*it
Maya was *actually, extremely* gaslighted in the back end of GMW and I want to write a full essay on it someday
I’d definitely read that essay.
Same! I've said it before as well; it's sad that people brush it off and believe that Maya becomes more like Riley
It's super sad and makes me rage
Please, if you write that essay, share it, as I would LOVE to read it!
I want to read that essay
i would absolutely read that essay
i’ve never even seen girl meets world and i will STILL read that essay
In Lab Rats, I feel like the whole main cast just became more of stereotypical archetypes by the end of the series. They were interesting early on, but by the time it reached the Bionic Island, Adam was the strong, dumb mentor; Bree was the pretty girl; and Chase was the nerd. Only Leo felt a bit more natural. The rest of them were just stereotypes so that there could be a larger focus on the bionic side cast.
I noticed this too! I love Lab Rats so I hated to see it but it felt like any character development or personality just kind of disappeared. I also noticed that they started to feel less like a family and just make fun of each other a lot more too, and I hated that since one of the things I loved most was their family dynamic and the love they all had for each other at the end of the day. Feels kind of missing in bionic island
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed this! I agree that they all made fun of each other much more too. Maybe that’s why they get so stereotyped. The script was so focused on making fun of each other, that they just ignored all character development for the sake of a joke.
they were stereotypes at the beginning
yeahh and it always made me so mad when they treated Chase like the punching bag of the group, even though he was the team leader and “idea guy”
To be honest, I actually liked the episodes where the fourth sibling was introduced... Though that was completely not needed for any reason whatsoever.
I feel like the worst thing disney has ever done was the love triangle
I usually hate love triangles. Love triangles can only be written by GREAT writers.
@@canvas_125 exactly and it’s so overdone. Like please I don’t want it unless it’s VERY good
You should do "Top 10 Disney Characters Everyone Love That I Hate"
OOOO YESSSS
Yes
ooooh and “top 10 disney characters everyone hates that i love”
@@kaiak4691 yesssssssssss!!
@@kaiak4691 chad dylan cooper should be on that listtttt
ok am I the only one who didn’t even know Mac from Teen Beach had a last name?🤣
lmao same i was like SHE HAS A LAST NAME???
lol I had no idea Delfi had a last name either🤣🤣
@@heyyitsjenna Lmao was just going to say the same thing about Delfi
@@ceruleangemini73 hahaha that's awesome🤣
Well apparently, according to the wiki Bradys last name is Derulo, as in Jason Derulo, his dad's name is Rocky, he's dead, and Bradys full name is Brady Jekyll Rocky Derulo
I just found that out like an hour ago, just When I thought Austin Moon having the middle name of Monica was ridiculous
I always thought, that Riley & Maya didn't wanted to let Lucas chose. They wanted to make this decision themselves to save their friendship.
It always felt, that they didn't allow Lucas to have an opinion on the whole triangle. He needed to shut up & let them figure it out.
I kinda hated that he didn't had a say (at least it felt like that to me).
I totally agree. Especially because Lucas didn’t even really make a decision in the end. Maya decided for them. The whole love triangle was definitely controlled by the girls with Lucas’s feelings being an after thought. Farkle even participated in that. Instead of letting Lucas decide how he felt and if he wanted to pursue Maya, Farkle pushed Riley into the love triangle and made it about her feelings.
And if he did have a say we all know he would have chosen Maya, I mean they had so much freaking chemistry and him and Riley were just meh seriously. And if they bad let him chose as I said Riley would definitely feel betrayed and leave Maya not be her friend any more
Seriously though and then apparently maya never had feelings for him ? That’s such bullshit they just forced him to choose Riley he liked maya I know he did and who knows he could have actually wanted to pick maya but he never got the chance because they didn’t care about his feelings at all
@@laurajusta4172 both couples sucked...lucaya would never work irl. It’s basically a Seddie 2.0 but with a cringe Maya
@@lunarialoonatic more like a cringe Freddie
I love Sam Freddie and Maya but Lucas is such a 1 dimensional flat character
I would add London Tipton from her change between The Suite Life of Zack and Cody to On Deck. She had so much potential in z&c, which we saw in episode where she was poor or when her stepmom came. Her relationship with Maddie also played a major part in what made her character so good and feel more realistic. I feel like On Deck should have allowed us to see her relationship with Bailey get better. But instead of taking the good qualities that her and Maddie had, they instead chose to just have London say all these negative things about Bailey. Also I feel like her character got even more dumb than she was in the first season of Zack & Cody. However I am not too upset by that, because Brenda Song made like every dumb line hilarious (she doesn’t get the credit she deserves)
I've noticed this as a common trend with TV shows in general (not just on disney), where they make a kind of "dumb" character progressively more dumb as the show goes along to the point where it's just unrealistic/ridiculous how dumb they are. For example, this happened with max on wizards of waverly place as well...or Sam from Glee. They also did that with CeCe as Cait mentioned in this vid. Pretty sad to see :/
@@sabahk oh I HATE so so so much what they did with Sam on Glee, ha wasn't dumb , actually he had a very crazy random humor , but then Ryan Murphy had to make him look dumb so he could date brittany and become a failed model ugh
@Sabah Yeah, like Joey from Friends. I would be interesting to see a character who starts as this "dumb" person grow into someone that tries hard to learn and grow from their past mistakes
@@cassidyweathers Joey from Friends is another great example. He deserved better! And yeah I agree! I hate how some characters just get tagged as the dumb ones and then are stuck with that trope just for a couple one-liners and easy jokes
@@sabahk Ugh, Joeys character was the worsts. He was so likeable in the firsts seasons and then they ruined him, made him so dumb and bored.
Honorable mention should be London Tipton who got somehow dumber and dumber throughout the show and had so many plot holes in the basis for her stupidity that I started to feel sorry for Brenda Song through watching Suite Life on Deck.
Like London was always dumb, and yet she had touching moments where she could actually make smart observations about the people around her and she was compassionate and had instances where you saw how lonely she was. By the time she was on the SS Tipton, she got less compassionate, more stupid, like dangerously stupid, and her backstory became thinner and thinner. Really disappointing. She made a lot of progress on the first show, and they completely washed her out in the second show.
Overall the writing for SLOD was worse. However, I recently watched the ep where it’s a Christmas carol but with London, and they did a great job.
YES!!!! like in the cross over episode with Hannah Montana and she drops Hannah's Bracelet from her mom into the ocean. i was like the London from the suite Life would've at least apologized after dropping it into the ocean. That always bugged me that London didn't care basically.
A few episodes before the season finale, Bailey Pickett (who also sucks for her misandry as shown in the beginning of “Paris in Breakup (Part 2)” even though it’s clear that Cody was just having a practice date, not a real date, with London) even stood up to London Tipton for her douchey behaviour towards her (until she decided to become submissive to London’s abusiveness). This is why she shouldn’t act THIS stupid because she’s pretty much turned into Mater in Cars 2. If you saw the second Hannah Montana/The Suite Life on Deck crossover in season 3, you’d know exactly what I’m talking about.
At least she has Amphibia now
Yay her!
Finally! Someone else realises that Mason was ruined by Disney trying to make a jealous bf storyline.
Yes!
Omg I remember hating the way mason was treating Alex and wishing we had the old mason. Like he was being so disrespectful to Alex when she said she wasn’t ready for a boyfriend yet! Like come on, that is not our mason and not the mason we all know and love. Our mason would have loved and respected Alex and instead Disney decided, “hey! Let’s make mason a possessive needy guy for the drama, our fans will love that!” Newsflash, we don’t!
For me at least I truly feel like Emma from Jessie was ruined since on Jessie she started out as a really sweet, girly and a very fashionable teenage girl who strives to do her best with everything she does, despite being a bit of an airhead. She was shown to be somewhat ditzy at times, but was actually extremely intelligent and has displayed the intellectual edge over many people. Yet as shown on Bunk'd she just became a stereotypical dumb blonde girl which was really disappointing to see because I always loved Emma and they ruined her character.
I don't think they did she became more smarter on there camp change emma
Bunked is terrible overall so-
@@kimuires I liked the first season but then they introduced all those new characters and it turned into basura.
@@sadsadtearsofaclown859 honestly! Once they introduced the new characters, it lost it snazz. Bunk’d was a spin-off of Jessie
@@not-so-happypappypatton Exactly. How can you have a spin-off of Jessie with none of the characters from Jessie?! Make it make sense.
I’ve never heard anyone talk about mason like this, and I completely agree. I always felt like he was being unfair in those episodes but most people brush past his behaviour. You’re the voice of the people
I didn’t see Wizards all the way so I was confused. I was a kid atm so yeah. Honestly it reminds me of how they made her brother dirty in love. He was so cute yet made him suffer more than Alex and in some areas kinda creepy
I feel like the crimes Fluteless charged Frollo with at the end of part 2 would all have to be the same crimes as Frollo caused from “psychological abuse” (“I’m a man, I can’t help it.” YES, HE CAN!!!!!!!! WHAT A SEXIST!!!!!!!) to “sexual harassment” to “assault and battery” to “more attempted murders”.
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Mal and Audrey from Descendants should be included on this list in my opinion for the way they drastically changed in Descendants 3. Mal went from living in the isle of the lost and wanting to help them in d1, then wanting to go back to it in d2, and then wanting to permanently close the barrier in d3 forgetting about all the people who don’t deserve to be there. While Audrey seemed like she was going to be nice based on the end of the first movie, but then went back to being all jealous and stuff in D3
Well regarding Audrey: I believe timeline wise it's been a year between the first and the third movie so she could have gotten a lot of crap about 'losing' Ben from her grandmother like we've seen in D3. She could have reflected more and more and got jealous over time and finally imploded in D3.
Maybe I'm looking to far into what's not quite there i don't know
@@_LunaTheBlackCat_ I definitely agree with you there since I can kinda see it.
Okay but i love evil audrey
Thinking about this some more after watching The Queen of Mean, it's not really bad writing in this but instead an anti-redemption arc where Audrey, instead of becoming good, becomes evil.
She was never the villain to begin with. I think that's an important distinction of this.
Mal switches up so fast it’s really annoying
I honestly think that Zack and Cody ruined Maddy/ie she started off as a hard working smart girl who's trying to prove herself because she doesn't have as much money. But then she became kind of bratty and was always trying to prove that even though she doesn't have as much money as London she was better
I agree!
I agree
Honestly London was done worse, especially on the spinoff show
HONESTLY I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED MADDIE'S DOWNGRADE
Caitlin: This is basically the opposite of that video, but I do what I want
Caitlin: (talking about braids) I’m living my best life
I LOVE THIS CONFIDENCE!!
IKR SERIOUSLY!!!
Lol I love her so much!! 😂💖
They ruined Maya. I loved Maya. They changed Maya then said she was pretending then changed her back. Like no.
Edit: It was like they realized rucas is a bad idea and went with lucaya so the could do riarkle but then wanted farlke and smackle together so they backed up from the idea of lucaya so riley could have a love interest
Srsly. They came up with this out of the blue random plot line and then resolved it with such a cop out answer
This still bugs me, the show tried to say it was a realistic take on life but I don’t think anyone turns into their best friend and fall in love with their best friends crush simply for kicks.
It's probably because Maya and Riley always have the same effect on each other we saw one of the episodes that whichever group Miley within a whichever group Riley was in it would be good or bad and it just made it seem like Riley had a bigger effect on Maya another way of saying it is Riley and Maya are like dark and light the light there is darkness to for you can't have the sun without shadows and we can't have night without the moon and stars
Honestly that was just lazy on the writer's side and they didn't know how to ruin Lucaya and make Rucas canon but they could come up with a better explanation than THaT
what bothers me is the love triangle I mean Maya suddenly stop liking Lucas and later was after Josh like nothing happened only because Riley still liked him you have your chance with him and let him go the least you could have done is being happy for your best friend and encourage her in pursuing a relationship with Lucas because you wanted her to be happy but no she was selfish only thinking about herself instead of her two best friend's well being and happiness. Riley was the one that made Lucas being confused about how he felt towards both of them I hate her for that.
My number one ruined character is Ryan Evans. In HSM2, he realized how selfish Sharpay was and that she was only holding him back, stepped away and had such great character development. We saw that he was kind, sensitive and a great friend. Then in HSM3 (which I know isn't a DCOM, so maybe he doesn't count haha), he just went back to scheming and such. He isn't awful in HSM3, but I definitely feel like they threw half of his character development out the window and made him a slightly nicer Sharpay instead of his own character like they did in the second movie.
That’s why I pretend like 3 doesn’t exist. 2 will always be my favorite.
going off of the cece character development, I feel nick did the same thing with cat from victorious. she was a normal teen that just was a little more giggly, bubbly and a little air headed, but she wasn't really stupid. after the first season they made her this really dumb girl who couldn't have even passed 6th grade, like you said "stereotypical dumb character", changing her voice from more teen like to more babyish, changed her entire wardrobe from fashionable dresses and heels to jeans and flats with her hair the exact same way everytime. Got even worse I feel in the sam and cat spinoff. and it made me sad to see. not Disney, but just needed to vent because the cece one reminded me of it
And Ariana is a Broadway actress and THAT CAT role is what they wanted her to play? Also, if you see her The Slap videos, she does some uncomfortable, suggestive things like spilling water on herself upside down.
Ikkk that’s why I can’t watch Sam and Cat not bc the show was kinda bad but because they completely ruined Cat’s character she seems like a completely different person she was way to stupid and way to bubbly and kidish, I wish they would have left the cat from season 1 through the entirety of the shows.
it got even worse when all that stuff about dan schneider came out, rewatching victorious episodes now it’s crazy how many creepy things went over our heads :/
I rewatched the show recently, and while Cat was always dumb, the way she became dumber was truly a sight to behold
Honestly, I really didn’t like the Girl Meets World love triangle. I think the show would have been better with out it, or a smaller version of it.
It also ended up having no consequences. Lucas chose Reilly after it being dragged out way too long, and Maya was just fine with it. I’ve seen that kind of thing end (or at least temporarily put a stop to) middle school (and let’s be honest, high school and college) girl friendships.
I totally agree!
@@heyyitsjenna i think they did that good bc middle schoolers treat relationships like that dramatically tbh.
I completely agreed with Carlos and Jay!!!! I mean they have this cute scene in D2 when Carlos is tired of Eve and Mal letting them out of important talks because all of them are family and in D3 they COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THAT
Oh my goooossshhhh this 👏🏽 This right here 😤😤 Why go out of your way to write that insightful scene into the movie only for them to completely throw it out of the window 😤😤
I always thought that Ben from decendents went downhill after the first movie
I felt like he didn’t have his own personality in the last two movies which was disappointing.
@@Melanie-jy2nw i didn't watch descendants 3 but yeah ikr they literally reduced his character into just a love interest for mal and for pushing the storyline forwards.
@@annetteshum3369 he has even less of a storyline in the third that he had in the second. It’s really disappointing considering that he’s the first character we meet and one who’s really interesting. He literally just becomes the boy Audrey and Mal fought over. By trying to give give Audrey and other new characters more screentime and depth, they sacrificed his.
How Soy Luna started : Monica just cooked lobster correct and that’s how they made up a whole story (edit thank you so much for the likes😄)
hahahahhah so true
Never thought of it like that
Do you guys now if soy luna is on prime video
@@ashleyvelasquez9833 I don’t know that, but you can find all of Soy Luna on Disney Plus L.A. and U.S. (as far as I know) and I’m not sure but I think season 1 and 2 are in Netflix Mexico. You can also find it on Apple TV all of the seasons but you have to pay.
@@hollybarrientos6579 Okay thanks
Audrey from Descendants is the worst one. They made it seem like she and Jay were going to become a thing. Same with Sharpay. They made it seem like she was going to date, Zeke. I thought Cassandra in Tangled the Series gets pretty extreme.
In the first one. And then in the second movie, it looks like he was going to go out with Lonnie and she even goes the isle to help save Mal and Ben. But then she is totally absent in the third film.
when did they make it seem like audrey and jay were gonna happen
@@chloeblumke6676 At the end of the 1st movie. She acted all flirty towards him.
@@chloeblumke6676 At the end in the last musical number. Mal and Ben are obviously already dancing together. And Evie is dancing with her love interest (whose name escapes me at the moment). Then Carlos invites Jane (his love interest) to dance. And then Audrey comes over and asks Jay to dance and seems to be flirting with him.
My guess is she was supposed to be his love interest, but because the actress couldn't be in the second movie because of a scheduling conflict with the TV show Charmed, they ditched that plot. Which made her a convenient villain for the third one.
Watching those two Cece clips actually made me sad. Watching her vent about her dyslexia to then be the "dumb character" seems possibly cruel
Yeah when she started the second clip I was holding my breath hoping they wouldn't say something about her dyslexia when she couldn't read the map or couldn't read the email correctly cuz that would have been horrible😧
You would think the characters would remind themself in the paris clip that "oh yeah, she has dyslexia, ofcourse she has trouble reading a map or words at all, we can't blame her" but NOOOO.
@@thefloorist5169 I hated how the moment made the other characters double down on being mad at Cece after seeing the dyslexia clip ;-;
in the second CeCe clip, you'd think *her mom, brother and best friend* would remember she has dyslexia, and take the precedent to help with organizing the trip, etc, but instead she gets antagonized. it's like the writers forgot that aspect of her character, which makes her development look even worse
Right?! I feel like them getting mad at CeCe and giving her a hard time was just cruel, they know she has dyslexia!
I was so surprised that was her mom and brother. The anger would have made a little more sense if they were not Cece's family, but knowing they were made me sad.
I’m just kinda mad at the whole world of zombies. They tried so hard to get people to accept zombies in the first movie and then the second movie rolls around with the werewolves and everyone immediately does the same thing they did to the zombies. Including the zombies themselves. Almost all the characters were back to where they were in the beginning of the first movie.
i actually thought that was really interesting cause i feel like it really got into how the zombies main goal was just to be accepted and they assimilated to the humans while the werewolves were themselves no matter what. and just because zombies and werewolves are both monsters doesn’t mean they’ll be treated the same. At the very least humans are familiar with zombies and have methods to control them and the zombies are complicit in this and just want to be accepted. The werewolves just do whatever and the humans don’t like that and the zombies (zed specifically) thought this was bad too
Can't say that isn't realistic tho
I’m sure there was once a Descendants theory that Jay actually is Aladdin’s son but Jafar kidnapped him or something? But I’m not sure how that works out with the timing, but it’s a pretty neat theory
Another great example of the dumb comic relief character that started off pretty good from the first episode but then fell into that type is Chelsea from That's So Raven.
I feel like she regained more of her intelligence in the last season though at least.
Chelsea should have made it for the original that's so raven. She got dumber overtime
yeah watch ravens home shes a dumb person and in thats so raven season 1 she was like normal and wasnt dumb
i agree with the descendants boys being underdeveloped, and it's like, part of me gets it bc, a lot of the times, girls are the ones getting less storylines so the fact that they flipped it is nice, and there is the whole thing of marketing to young girls, but the other, bigger part of is like, while i understand that having 4 main characters can make each of them having a developed storyline hard, the core four are a group and they are the CORE FOUR and so i was very much looking forward to having them ALL get storylines. but as you said, in the second movie, jay's individual story was literally 3 scenes in total and carlos had maybe 4 dedicated to him. and in the 3rd movie, it was even less there, like in my head, he and gil have a whole happily ever after but it is in my head, so pretty useless. there was that deleted scene of carlos being sad that jay was leaving for a different college, and i feel like that could've been their storyline, the college thing, like carlos mentioning he got into a vet program, and maybe his sadness at their friend group being apart for the first time since they got to auradon, and having their whle adventure make him realize that they'll always be a part of each other's lives. maybe we could even set up the gil thing by having jay say something at the start of like im cool being the only single person in our group, i would need someone able to keep up with me, and so when gil and him start bonding, we'd know in a more direct manner that gil might be the one for him. it would still be not a lot, but at least it would be something. i think about this a bit too much for my liking
I feel like at least half of the descendants cast could be used for this. Carlos, Jay, Ben, Audrey, Mal, Dizzy, the twins, etc. You get the idea, they just really didn’t do solid, long lasting character development on a lot of them.
Disney: We want to make a sequel to this movie, who should we have as the antagonist?
Employee: Remember that mean girl in the first film that turned nice at the end?
Disney: ... yeah?
Employee: her.
Moral of the story, Disney channel can not do character development
Also the love triangle ruined their characters and the show :(
Yeah I mean I get that she was upset and her grandma was being kind of toxic about it but that is NOT a good reason to take it out on Everyone by becoming evil imagine if real high school girls did this after break-up🤦🏼
Towards the end of the show CeCe was a terrible friend. No sane person tricks their best friend into flying to LA against their will.
True but they were on a bus not plane, just thought I'd mention that
Justin from Wizards...somewhere during the end of season 3 and throughout season 4 Justin became ruder? and more cynical? idk maybe it’s just me but he was so sweet and all of a sudden he was making all the worst decisions like his video message to Alex during her banquet, it’s understandable that he would be upset that Alex got that award but I feel as though Justin wouldn’t have gone to the full extent of filming himself ranting off on her like how it happened on the show
Oh god... that was so CRINGE. Just unnecessary...
YES! I actually just replied to a comment about that! Justin turns into a jerk more at the later seasons. I actually got cable during season 3 and I liked him the least. He had this air of superiority that pissed me off.
I think the video message was just his character from that point although it doesn’t make sense
Especially after the movie where Alex and him had a feel good moment.
@@TheGuy-u7f he was upset that Alex got an award that was for wizards that work the hardest and she got it for the angels thing, you know how he is about hard work being truly earned
The stuff with CeCe is so sad and frustrating! Especially when you think about that a lot of the mistakes she made in the season three clip are likely a result of her dyslexia. I'm dyslexic, and struggle a lot with maps and can totally see myself misreading that email. To see all the characters berating CeCe for something she has no control over and having zero empathy for her is so hard to watch. The show really shouldn't have turned CeCe into dizzy comic relief, but the least they could have done was provide the actual context to why she sometimes gets in binds like the France trip. Not that it would have been easy to do that in a non-ableist way. The fact that the show just forgot she was dyslexic or didn't care enough to do anything with it is so frustrating. I'm glad Disney channel has made strides with characters like TJ from Andi Mack who has dyscalculia. They have a long way to go with representing disability, but at least they've grown since Shake It Up.
Ikr, everyone was mean to Cece even Rocky sometimes, as someone with dyslexia it hurt to see that
I never got into shake it up, but seeing those two scenes one after the other felt really wrong
@@danielaroa7932 Same, never watched the show but I was even more dissapointed at the second clip learning those two berating her were her brother and mother who, in hindsight, should have known about her dyslexia yet they berate her - painful to watch.
And Cece’s “dumb” moments were usually just mistakes CAUSED BY HER DYSLEXIA!! Her misreading the email, not comprehending the scale on the map. So it’s even more upsetting to see her family and best friend basically call her stupid for something she can’t control. It’s really disturbing honestly
Oh don’t worry, Eugene was DEFINITELY ruined. He was third-wheeled in favor of Cassandra, demoted to comic relief, barely taken seriously by anybody in Corona even though he SAVED THE PRINCESS, and painted in the wrong when he told Rapunzel to let go of her abusive friendship with Cass. Tangled the Series did Tangled so dirty and everyone in that show (except King Frederic and Cass because they SUCK) deserved way better, especially Eugene.
I felt very similarly about eugene too! I couldn't figure out why for a while because he did still have his fun snarky personality, and his relationship with rapunzel was really great, but personally I think it's because disney had to get rid of his "thief" persona. The fact that he went from a lovable criminal to a COP felt so weird... I think without his ability to play fast and loose with the law anymore he really lost a lot of that "morally ambiguous but with a heart of gold" charm.
I hate the series so much because of this. They completely ruined his character, they reduced him to the dumb boyfriend side character and made the whole show just about rapunzel and cassandra even though in the movie it was all about rapunzel and flynn/ eugene and they were one of the only disney couples who were completely equal and also equally developed. In the series he has no development at all, he's just stupid and their relationship is never romantic at all. They ruined it so much and it's probably because frozen was more popular so they gave rapunzel a sister and made the whole show about them and reduced the love interest to the dumb boyfriend side character just like kristoff in frozen 2. I really hate the series because if this. Flynn/eugene deserved better!
Plus he was so emotionally developed in the movie, they just left him behind in the series. I agree with this so much.
Love the Movie and not the series. I watched all off it and the first season was ok but the rest was just a no from me.
I could not stand how brushed off he and rapunzels relationship was and Cassandra and rapunzel got all of the attention
Tbh, I didn't really like Mason and my main reason was everything that he did in the wizard of the year episode.
I wish she had stayed with Dean
@@magdalinaestiverne4695 Yeah! Alex and Dean were so funny together. I didn’t mind Mason at the start, but then he kind of became more and more annoying and whiny in series 4.
i’ve never liked him from the beginning
@@chloeblumke6676 I agery dean was way better
Mason is a great character tho
Honestly I 100% AGREE with the whole Mason thing!! That's the reason why I can't decide if I like Alex better with Dean or Mason
Edit: I do absolutely LOVE Alex and Mason at first and they are so cute and funny! But when he gets really annoying is when they get annoying. And I think Alex and Dean's first kiss episode is sooo cute and sweet
I didn't like his character as much in those episodes either but I don't know if I'd compare it to dean. From what I remember dean was pretty immature and didn't really have anything in common with Alex.....
Why not ship her with that guy Riley from season one?😂
@@Myafussell 😂😂😂😂I remember that that was pretty funny! How long were they dating for? Like 2 days?😂
Or Manny Kin
@@kelsiemorrison6318 wait what?
It's so sad what they did to Cece. They did it to Chelsea on That's So Raven too - she started out as silly and a little random, but by the end of the show they'd written her to have the IQ of an empty plastic bag. She was even one of the best singers on that show (she's on Broadway now for Pete's sake). Especially given the first clip you picked of Cece, it looks like this type of "character development" has gotten even worse.
I love Eugene Fitzherbert with my whole heart but I do agree that he feels different in the show in comparison to the movie version. I feel like the writers blurred the lines between his confidence and flirty personality to having a big ego, and it makes his character come off as annoying and a nuisance. They never let him develop as his own character and he just becomes Rapunzel's boyfriend, even though his past and trauma are just as complex as Rapunzel's. His sole purpose in the show is being comic relief, which falls flat most of the time considering most of it centers around him being arrogant.
Bob from Suite Life of Zack and Cody was dyslexic! There was the episode when Zack faked having dyslexia to get accomodations in school
I remember that! Wasn't TJ from Andi Mack dyslexic too??
@@heyyitsjenna he has dyscalculia which is type of dyslexia where instead of mixing up words you mix up numbers my dad has it and he’s a math teacher
@@albertod4 ohhhhh ok
@@albertod4 thats cool and inspirational good for your dad!
the wizard of the year episode was my absolute LEAST favorite bc of how horrible mason was
Justin was also terrible in that episode and he never even apologizes to Alex for the creepy tribute video.
I hate that they ruin the One time that Alex was being recognized for her achievements rather than ridiculed.
I don’t know why I always cry in that episode
I really can’t with it
@@rosiemcgosie7376 Justin was kind of a jerk in the later seasons. He expected to be respected by his class, but he didn’t respect them much either. He had his moments
I definitely agree about the Eugene point. He got slightly relegated to comic relief. While I adore what they did with Cassandra, she kinda just took Eugene's place.
Now all I see is Jay as Aladdins son who Jafar stole..... I really don’t know what to think anymore
London Tipton! Like she was always the dumb comic relief character even the original Suite Life, but at least she had some depth and was actually friends with the other characters. In Suite Life on deck, her dumbness was just so exaggerated, she wasn't really friends with anyone, and it seemed like her whole personality revolved around how much she didn't like living with Bailey. The moment with Mosby at the end of the show was like her only deep moment
I rewatched WOWP recently and I forgot how dirty they did Mason. It felt like they were forcing toxic traits on him to make stakes and drama
Another character they did dirty has to be Ally Dawson from Austin and Ally
just saying
so i know you’re right but i don’t know why
mind explaining?
I loved Austin and Ally and I honestly hated how she changed around the newer seasons(other besides her stage fright overcome)
To be honest YES. They did the thing where she went from shy to confident but once she became confident she just became so generic. She was just annoyingly quirky and didn’t have her own unique identity.
I noticed this so much. In the beginning she was shy and quiet but when she got over her stage fright it was like they couldn't have her be confidant *AND* nice, and all of her jokes were at the expense of others.
@@pippin7016 so were all of Dezs jokes 🤣
The map clip for Cece is a huge pet peeve of mine, especially since I also have dyslexia. Like reading maps can be super difficult and everyone in that group know that she has the condition. Why not ask one of the others to navigate? Why not get her an electronic eReader that would audibly explain the text and symbols on the map and the phone? The writers either forgot or simply don't understand the disorder / accommodations that can be made for it
With Sharpay, I feel like her change of character makes sense at least. She was such a headstrong and bossy character who always got what she wanted in HSM. But the real world of theater will humble you fairly quick. You can't expect to land all the lead roles as a newcomer. She is incredibly talented there's no denying that. But her accomplishments in high school don't hold much weight compared to that of the others who have been doing theater on broadway for years. There's always going to be someone above you. She got humbled and learned to work hard and eventually found herself at the end of the film.
GMW, they said it's a story about friendship, then make the love triangle, and then, they say AGAIN that it's about friendship. You know what I think? It's about Rilaya, it's a love story about Riley and Maya, with a bit of their friendships and family, just like BMW, but not as good. I love the show, but it just doesn't compare to BMW
Jay & Carlos were done SO dirty!!! They deserved more focus and plotlines. Also the Jay as Aladdin's kid theory I think actually has a ton of fanfic behind it and it's not bad
Totally agree with Eugene in Tangled the series. Can't place it, but something was off
He lost all charm and just became a dumb broad
No one really talks about Max russo. I hated how they would give him depth and actual emotions but then make him the “dumb character” again, I liked how they gave him a girlfriend but they just quickly went over that and I don’t even know what happened with her. I wish Max had more character development
oh god your comment about Aladdin being Jay's dad just made me remember a 2015 tumblr theory/headcanon/maybe fanfic? that basically said the same thing, I think the theory was that Jafar kidnapped Jay as a baby
omg thank you for making this point about mason. i never thought of it like that but i'm glad you spoke up about this. jay and carlos are deserved more screentime in the third one. but cece was also in and AP class if i remember correctly so she was still smart.
I agree with your point about Eugene. I love him so much in the movie but in the show he was just not himself in a way. I might just like him less in the show cause I keep comparing him to Cass but like idk he seemed less iconic in the show
They wanted to explain something that shouldn’t and give more friends and odd girl power vibes
3:16 I love when people refer to her as "Tess from camp rock" even in or out of context, cause it reminds me so fondly of Julia Cudney in her mean girls 2 video (mean girls 2 is a garbage movie)
Ohmygosh the Delfi thing made me so mad!! The scene in season 1 where she was talking to Nina about choosing to be good and stuff made me smile so big! And we did get so many good Delfi scenes at the end of season 1!! And I'm glad she was good for more than a season after that but still it made me really sad that they did that to her character!
The girl meets world plot made me so mad. All of maya’s friends basically said “ We don’t like that your happy now, that you have moved past your dad leaving, that you realize school is important, and that your dressing like an adult. Please turn back into an angry hurt child so that you can be ‘real’ again.”
Like that is not how growing up works, and if your “friends” treat you like it is? There not your friends.
I’m glad someone is talking about the Mason thing. He started out really sweet and great. Then, after he comes back, his character is kind of whiny and he constantly begs Alex. He always calls her lazy or selfish and doubts her abilities. He also seems self-centered and vain, like when he gets captured by the fake authorities because he was admiring himself in a mirror.
So, he doesn’t respect Alex’s wishes in the WOTY episode and the apartment episodes. Then, in the final episode, though he is cheering for her, he keeps bringing up how he had no faith in her and how he’s a little embarrassed rooting for her. That just really bothered me. Less awful, 8n my opinion, is his behavior in Alex vs Alex. He picks the wrong Alex specifically because he doesn’t think she would possibly do something nice for Harper. Alex even acknowledges this in the end, when she says Harper is the only person who is happy with who Alex is.
It was very disappointing and jarring, because, at his best, Mason is great. At his worst, he’s downright horrid.
The thing I hate about the Delfi story arc is that she broke Pedro’s heart and that breaks my heart. 💔
Let's just be glad that the writers didn't make her go back to pining after Gaston because that would have made some unnecessary drama
Feel like CeCe is definitely on here
Well you were not o lay right but it got ranked number one in her list
@@pennydime9924 cool. I definitely agree with her they screwed CeCe up real bad
Cece from what show ... Andi Mack ?
@@sophievandercook6826 Shake It Up
@@sophievandercook6826 I'm offended that Andi Mack is the first show you think when you hear the name Cece
I think the worst part about Cece is that when they establish she has dyslexia and then go on to make her the "dumb character" it gives a bad rep to people with Dyslexia.
Have you noticed that how in many recent disney channel shows they always make the first couple the endgame ship???
Like in wizards of Waverly place and hannah Montana they get to have multiple relationships and their endgame relationships are not the ones they started the show with,, but in good luck Charlie, girl meets world etc they make the s1 ships the final ship???
Wait she ends up with the cheating bastard?! And I thought good luck Charlie knew better
@@dcscruz2970 IKR I HAD THE SAME REACTION
(Atleast the indian version didn't go that route)
Not always, in Austin and Ally the first official couple was Austin and Brooke and we know how that turned out
They really did Maya so dirty in GMW, Maya finally became herself, who she wanted to be and everyone just said “Oh no, you’re just turning into Riley!” When she had actually had character development! She seemed fine the way she was but everyone was trying to convince her that it wasn’t her?! They shouldn’t have controlled her like that. They really ruined Maya.
I completely agree about Mason! I was always so confused why people love him when he left such a bad taste in my mouth from those episodes. I get the earlier season love for him but I’m glad you said it!
Forget “ruin character of Mack Fox” THAT ENTIRE MOVIE WAS RUINED
YES 🙌🏻
I know right it annoys me so much but they just throw out two whole movies just so they can do this memory wipe thing it's ridiculous
The Nina and gaston points are so true and it just makes me so so sad.
My ex has dyslexia and honestly thinking back to this made me so mad. In the Paris episode, they could've had Rocky stand up for her and say "You're her mom, you know about her condition! Why didn't you check her work?"
Eugene in the series lost his danger, he felt off to me
freaking!
@@amystout7772 I KNOW ADDS
you know it’s gonna be a good day when caitlyn posts😆
CeCe jones had SO MUCH potential.... those first episodes are the ones i loved the most.... Also totally with you with the Celeste thing, i almost forgot about her in season 2....
I feel like CeCe ended up like Eric Matthews but the writers of Shake It Up and Bella's comedic timing wasn't as well done as Will Friedle's timing and the writing on Boy Meets World
Right? I may be angry to this day about what they did to my baby Eric, but at least he was hilarious. Poor CeCe, honestly.
yess! i didn’t even think about eric but ugh looking back his character was also ruined. gmw just ruined every single character (except for farkle and zay)
Supposedly the original boy meets world was from Corys point of view. So , a older brother seems cool and etc when your younger but as you age you start seeing how he really is.
@@madelinebryant9851 huh. i always thought it was just the actors being given more freedoms to characterize their characters how they wanted so that would naturally change the characters. and then the directors saw the little nuances the actors gave and pushed them and shoved into one box (shawn= bad boy, eric= comedic relief, etc.)
@@mihika152 nope there is a old artical from way bacl when they ask they guy who plays Eric what happened to him and he says why.
I think Sharpay is more insecure ib her own movie bc she is not in East High anymore. I mean, she played the main character of all the spring musicals East High presented, so she was confident enough to act like the queen she is. However, when she is outside this bubble, and she discovers how Broadway really works, she becomes aware that she is not the one out there. So, maybe that's why Sharpay lets someone be over her, because she starts feeling insecurities after realizing that nobody, except East High students, will treat her like "the queen".
About Mason: In the special when they found out that he is a werewolf, Mason said that werewolf are very passionate (I didn't saw in english so i don't know his exact words) and thats why he said out of nowhere that he never forget Juliet.
I think they use that excuse and the fact that Alex save him of being a wolf forever to make him needy and jealousy.
Storywise, I think at first he was playing cool boyfriend until Alex realize he was a werewolf and then the world went down (he became a wolf, she transform him back almost and then everyone looked at him diferently for one episode). And after that he starts to show that he is jealous and a bit possessive (and that was a type that Alex used to have and like). But, like Alex, he has to work out these traits, which is more difficult for him because of his werewolf side.
But scriptwise I think his cool side was over and It was time to make him a comic relief (I didn't like this), and he became that way for writers make jokes about his antics. 🤷
I never got around to finishing Soy Luna but I definitely agree with Delfi, they completely ruined her character arc. I stopped watching at episode 13 of season 2. But yeah her character does a WHOLE 180. It made me really sad cuz she became one of my favorite characters :/
Same, I really liked how she stood up to Ambar, and then it’s like she suddenly forgets it all over the vacation :/
As a kid I used to LOVE mason and Alex together, but as an adult I realize he was actually really toxic because he told another girl he never stopped loving her, was so jealous of a friend of his girlfriend that he physically attacked her friend who was there for her when he wasn’t, then didn’t respect her boundaries. Like I miss the mason that painted Alex in chalk and truly loved Alex
"Sharpay would never idolize someone, especially someone who doesnt deserve it"
Ok but she had a huge crush on Troy Bolton for three films when he is just terrible (I know hot take, but I think Troy is trash and both Sharpay and Gabriella deserved better)
Disney mistake: not having Ryan and Chad get together after that baseball scene in HSM2!! I mean come on how iconic would that have been?! They 100% had chemistry
not disney but tina from glee!!! i really liked her in s1 - 3, but then they made her mean and bossy :/
Right?! I loved her in the first three seasons, but then they did her dirty.
Omg yess
YES! I felt so bad for Jenna Ushkowitz playing her! Her character became such a joke!
@@LouisaRubyDDD I know right her singing voice is so underrated. I wish she got more solos. I will never forgive Finn for giving Tina that Gangnam Style solo in S4 of the show.
@@diamond9477 I will never forgive the writers for having her put Vapo rub on Blaine and for asking Mike to marry her...at someone else’s wedding...when they were broken up.
please make a video on tangled the series! It’s one of my faves and I’d love to hear your thoughts
Gotta say, for me the most ruined character has always been Jake Ryan. I will never forget the excitement I had for the achey Jakey heart two parter. They completely ruined his character in the second part, and there after. He could've been a character that had major development from this kinda cocky celebrity to a down to earth guy, but they not only never let him come down to earth, they made him a complete wackadoo. Even in season one he wasn't that crazy, he still had some normal moments, but in the second part of achey jakey heart, he couldn't do anything normal. Not to mention later he cheats on Miley, they completely ruined what could've been great.
IKR everything you just said is so true!!! I loved their relationship and then Disney just ruined him and had him cheat on her! And don't get me wrong I like Jesse and Miley, but they were just a little boring
As someone who's legit rewatching Hannah Montana currently, I agree so so much. I loved the Jake/Miley dynamic and development during the slow-burn phase in S1, and then was happy about them getting that real chance in the 2 part special and then.....the potential did not work well at all. The ending of the 2nd part was intriguing with leaving the door open for the future for a maybe after he matured, but then....he was always kinda still stuck in his own world sadly, and it's a shame because they could have been great.
@@heyyitsjenna exactly! Jesse was just thrown into the mix to stir the pot. They didn't develop his character at all, and they made it like some type of competition between him and Jake in He Could Be the One, which for most of us was an easy choice because we knew nothing about Jesse and unless you hated Jake you were rooting for him. If they had developed the Jesse and Miley relationship before He Could Be The One, then there could've been actual competition. Ugh I'm just so mad how they ruined Jake.
@@girlpower8900 I still feel they made him completely whacky in the second part. Like he always showed a mixture of cockiness and down to earthness, but in that episode it made him just seem cocky. And I always wanted Miley to bring him down to earth and really develop their relationship, but they chose this route instead
@@BigScottyMcCreeryFan seriously though same!! Also I’d have to say my favorite love interest of Miley’s is the guy from HM the movie
the queen has posted!!! And your hair looks great!
So I know this isn't Disney, but the way she talks about how CeCe's character was ruined really reminds me of how they ruined Kat's character in Victorius
I also didn’t like Mason during those episodes and still to this day wish Chase (beast tamer) had more episodes with Alex before Mason and Alex got back together because I loved Alex and Chase’s chemistry
The character that instantly came to mind was Mitchie Torres from the Camp Rock films. In the first one she was that cute and shy aspiring singer and in the second one she was just plain annoying.
I didn't like her to begin with lol but I agree
Demi actually admitted to being on drugs during the movie.
I'm so glad you mentioned Eugene! I've always felt that his character was lackluster, and I think it's because Eugene has almost all of his character development happen in Tangled the movie. In the series, there really isn't much else done with his character (and sometimes he even reverts back to some of his egotistical ways, and I struggle to discern if that's really his character or if he's just being used as comedic relief in those contexts). Overall I don't think they ruined his character but I think there was just a lack of potential, and Tangled the series is so much more about Rapunzel and Cas than anyone else, who were REALLY great so I'm ok with it
They ruined his character, they reduced him to the dumb boyfriend side character and gave all the development and emotional scenes to cassandra even though in the movie it was all about flynn/ Eugene and rapunzel. I really don't like the series because of that. Tangled was a romantic love story not a sister's love story like frozen and they turned it into frozen and made the love interest just the dumb boyfriend which I hate.
21:00 that’s me to a tee because I can be cheerful when I am not needed to help out but I also can give great advice and help people and be very serious when I need to be