@@jankarolchodkiewicz4065 Well, Soviets aint Russians...Majority of Soviet soldiers maintaining soviet rule in European states were of Belorussian, Baltic, or Ukranian origin as those units were stationed closer to border and knew the terrain more.
@@GrimmaStadguardplease think for a fucking second who was controlling it, who was in command, who was seting the ideology It’s what entity you’re in not actual ethnicity of allndivkduals or sth lmfoa
Soviet invasion was unrealistic at that time. There are preserved documents of the Soviet Politburo, that they didn't want invasion of Poland even in the event of the fall of the PZPR. The Soviets were terrified by the vision of a second Afghanistan in the middle of Europe. The Soviet economy was also dependent on food imports from the USA and was also dependent on the export of oil and gas to Western Europe, which required supplies of American technology for the transmission of oil and gas. Carther and then Reagan warned Soviet if they invade they will block all food import and block gas and oil pipline technology export to USSR. There are preserved documents, that in the event of the fall of the PZPR, Brezhnev planned to come to an agreement with the new authorities on the principle of "extended Finlandization".
I love how the main problem of the video according to the comment section is that the Soviets would never respect Polish cities and lives by creating humanitarian corridors. Really shows how good the quality of this video is.
The main problem is that by the 1980's there would be no invasion, the Politburo already decided that Poland was lost and that it would only be a matter of time, but they didn't tell the Polish central committee, because why would they
Not only is it Hoi4 reference, it's also connected to the fact that polish soldiers in fact stood for 30 days in Hel in 1939. They surrendered on the 2nd of October, over a week after the fall of Warsaw! The Hel peninsula is long and very thin, varying from 2km to even 300m of width, so it's easy to block - no surprise it's a great stronghold. Germans in 1945 also held out for a few months until surrendering in may.
This video is very nice. The most surprising part is that Soviet intervention in 1982 has so little impact in history of 3rd Polish Republic (post 1989)
HOLY SHIT MAN THIS IS AMAZING, i honestly would not expect for you to make a video on Poland, especially at this degree of quality. And while some things i find personally slightly unrealistic it is honestly a good peice of work. The only major things i would call unrealistic would be elections after the invasion and certaint battles/fights for cities (mainly in the south) as large part of it is i should word it as "not best" for infantry fighting vehicles and tanks and a fast push to the city of Krakow from the Soviet border as this would be very hard to achive within the span of a month. The elections are kinda janked with certaint candidates getting to power before becoming well known to get into such position. Additionaly some minor errors that aren't really noticable but when found are kinda annoying tbh. Overall the rest of the scenario is great, however i see room for improvement after the intervention like attempted intervention into the soviet territories by the Polish authorities during their fall (mainly to the Wilno region as certaint politicians wanted it to become either autonomus within Lithuania/Belarus or to stand independent). I would like to see some more content related to my home country in the future, possibly with maybe the Border crisis or a scenario where the missle found in Poland was actually Russian. In short, gud vid
In my opinion Poland would be more right-wing than left-wing today (trzaskowski winning with almost 60% of votes) if a communist invasion happened 40 years prior
The fact that mildly liberal centrist can be easily labeled as "far-left" (and large segment of our population will gladly eat it up) is a testament to how far to the right the Overton Window has been pushed in Poland, unfortunately.
@@igorwoek502 but he is not a crentrist he is a left winger. PO used to be centrist in the past and atm its center-left at best if not solid left wing party. Why do you think they just made an alliance with past communist huh?
"The Soviets establish a humanitarian corridor leading out of Warsaw in order to allow civilians to escape" - won't happen in any timeline ever BTW very interesting piece of work, great job!
Besides the parts about preventing the damage and destruction to the historic cities and humanitarian corridors, this is the best alteriative history video I watched in a very long time. Creating this material had to be a lot of hard work. Great job!
“The last polish mi-24 was shot down in northern counterattack” Man… Imagine the sadness that the crew felt when they figured out every single other MI-24 has been shot down and they are the ONLY one left of that aircraft type, no fellow squadrons, no wingmen, nothing. Just their chopper, the air, and the enemy… Edit: Same thing with the last polish MiG-23. I’d say it is arguably worse because it is you against the whatever the enemy decides fit to send after a lone aircraft. Imagine the terror the pilot felt when he probably realized that he was merged and outnumbered
9:46 okay I know this is pure fiction, but soviets would never care about shit like that, they would just command to out right flat the cities to ground if nessecery
No no, they would. They needed to not antagonize the populace to be able to set up a functional puppet government, like all of this is very obvious, the scenario is well thought out. The soviets would very much allow such things as they knew the war was already won, this isnt like Ukraine stop treating it like Ukraine.
no not really this is coming from an anti communist btw Leoned Brezhnev isn't Stalin i dont really even need to explain this too you its just an uneducated comment you cant really call them ruthless in europe its pretty unrealistic for them to flat out destroy warsaw for the sake of the battle thats just not how modern warfare works lmao
@@AdamAkel-d1o well this video whole and comment section is soaked in anti-communist and anti-USSR propaganda. Although the post-Stalin USSR was not socialist (and therefore was more hurtful to people living there), the USSR would not commit war crimes. That's more up NATO alley
you must be very young and dont remember that for the last 20 years PiS and PO are the only two political parties that can form the government, much like republicans and democerats in the USA or tories and labours in UK. And in regard to the specific events, in this timeline the war alternated the course of the events but not very much compared to the reality.
Amazing video! However personally I doubt if Poland would be that "strong" in terms of GDP at the 01.01.2026 in case of war/military operation held by USSR in 1982. Anyway good job! I would love to see even more videos about alternate timelines of Poland
I think the events of invasion of 1982-1983 would influence the country much more after 1989 than you showed it. It would definietly shape the way of foregin policy or economy. The full scale, few months long invasion with major battles, stronger than 1968 or even 1956 events. How many casualties was in that "scenario"?
Kwasnewski winning president election make no sens becouse he was part of overthrowned communist government, yes he was in reformes wing but still if Solidarność walcząca (fighting solidarity) take power they simply put every one from old regime before court (OTL it wont happend becouse moderate wing of solidarność and moderate wing from communist party make a deal and some ex communist politicians alike Kwaśniewski can participate in democratic elections). And also moods among citizena after such invastion will be extremely anti communist, socialist and anti lesifist, and this is another reason why Sdrp and Kwaśniewski can't won. More realisticly is if right parties (alike porozumienie centrum (center agreament). And also after that polish political discurs would be more right
@@Eggardy Because other parties (above all anti communist and right parties) and politicians (with esspacialy Lech Walensa as face) make many bad moves and bring some what of instability. Thanks it post communist (they are reformist wing of PZPR) gain popularity due to fact they has been seen as more serious and thoughtful. And during Lech Walensa and Kwasnewski presidental debate Walensa act like a crazy unlike gentel and calm Kwasnewski.
I don't know how i got there, but I admire your attention to the details. I would love to watch similar video showing scenario, in which Ukraine has collapsed in early 2022 and Russia put pressure on baltic states and Poland. Keep up the good work bro!
The video is of top notch quality, however it contains some errors and flaws. For example 2:35 there was no Senate upper house during the Polish People's Republic period, so the Solidarity forces couldn't have stormed it. Also, it gets rather boring after the invasion. Nothing really changes apart from certain leaders and minor details. Shouldn't Soviet invasion of one of the key Warsaw Pact members that late into the Cold War alter the future of the region much more drastically? Would Poland transition to democracy that similarly to our timeline? Would NATO still expand that similarly? Would Russia behave that similarly? Not to be nitpicky, just want to say there is a room for improvement and greater research.
@@dust195Yeah and there were never invasion on Hungary, xd There are many stupid people unfotunely and you would need to sctually know about Warsaw pacts situation in 80' to know it's fake, when I don't think it's teached in every country.
The East Germans weren’t even allowed to take part in the Czechoslovak operation in real life due to fears of increased resistance because of history. You think they’d be allowed to operate in Poland of all places?
Impressive detail and background but also completely unrealistic as far as alternative history goes. The USSR would never have allowed things to go this far and they would have intervened much earlier. Also, the Polish military at the time was closely integrated with the Soviet army and so was the senior officer corps. The majority of regular soldiers might not have liked the Soviets very much but they were isolated for months in their barracks and training areas precisely to keep them in the dark of what was going on. So yes, there would be some scattered fighting and mutinies if the USSR invasion took place, but no massive organized opposition as shown here.
True to fact, the Polish People's Army would be hard-ass fanatics, however, most were also conscripted and weren't as abusive of the citizens as the ZOMO and Citizens' Milice were, with beating them to death and also using sharp ammunition. They were at best used as watchmen patrolling on the streets during protests or workers' strikes. Since they were conscripts they also showed discontent with their situation and how the government and Citizens' Milice were handling the strikes with brutality. Conscription was mandatory in the country, and those who refused were sent to a psychiatric facility, as per typical Brezhnev-Era fashion.
Poland would not have lost any land, especially to east germany. At that time, there would be no reason for East Germany or Soviets to get any land, plus all the Germans were relocated between 45-70's. Keeping it under a Polish-Rule government would be most likely, however it is possible for Poland to be devolved into regional districts rather than a single large state.
@@zoryball no I'm not lmao in a draw out war the soviets would have punished Hungarians harder but the uprising last literally a month and killed hardly any soviets there was also the fact that Hungary had no more land to give to due ww2 and Trianon, two completely different events and effects.
What is not widely known, while east Germany accepted the Oder-Neisse rivers as its borders to PL in general, they disagreed with losing Stettin in the northeast, west to the river, up until the 70ies, when the transformation of Rostock to a habour city was completed. The leaders never openly declared their disappointment
@@PexTheCreature Or the Jan Olszewski approach, with much need of relief packages and also economic reform to 3rd-class citizens, in the form of welfare and humanitarian benefits.
In reality, the Soviets had no intent to intervene in Poland, which makes the scenario itself very impossible and also unrealistic. In the words of Yuri Andropov: "Even if Poland falls under the control of Solidarity, that's the way it will be." I would make a much better scenario branching off from the Polish resistance activities in WW2, with an OSS-backed paramilitary organization embedding itself within the country, working together with the Home Army until Operation Tempest successfully liberates most of the country from the Nazi's until a Soviet invasion, forcing them to go underground and wage successful guerrilla war against the Polish People's Republic throughout the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's until Early 1981 when a revolution sparked by the paramilitary results in Jaruzelski's death, and formal ending and prosecution of the Communist regime in Poland, soon followed by Lech Wałęsa becoming president until 1992, when he's ousted from power by a coup d'état by Jan Parys following Wałęsa's neglecting of his priorities as president and clashing with his policies and attempts of reform by Prime Minister Jan Olszewski, with Poland having a much greater economy, government and military than in our timeline, with no polarization and no Left/Right-wing divide, but rather a Social-Libertarian benevolent government running the country for 30 years, implementing welfare and stability into Poland, but keeping democracy and freedom of speech during the initial years until elections take place, while maintaining Olszewski in power. What this alternate timeline modern-day Poland May have looked is what i came up with through years of writing. Your scenario on the other hand, comes from someone who spent their spare time doing nothing else than misleading propaganda NATOwave edits, feeding off the tabloid media lies of propaganda from the soy media cycle spun ever since the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the same one which brands my country as an "economic powerhouse" and "military superpower" despite an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary, while in reality my country had gone through 30 years of sh*t instead, and lacks any formal experience in historical research or perspective. I just think for the future, you should move on from doing stuff outside of your field of knowledge instead of attempting to do what you have no intent on researching further.
@@flow3326 Nobody "GAF" about trolls like you, whatever this means. Alternate history has to be grounded at least during some point in reality. It needs a branch to start off from. You cannot magically use an artificial factor.
@@umlowiec Nobody "GAF" about trolls like you either, whatever this means. Alternate history has to be grounded at least during some point in reality. It needs a branch to start off from. You cannot magically use an artificial factor.
Delusion lol. They cant defeat Ukraine today. Much less they couldn't make so huge territory advance in 24h against army of Polish People Republic which was on the same advance level at that time as USSR. Also all country was ready for war and pople trained
Cant defeat ukraine? the entire world is supliyng ukraine , ussr is just diferent from modern day russia , stop spreadng Nafo missinformation on youtube please
the most unrealistic part is ''Soviet Command orders cautious and small advances to prevent the damage and destruction to the historic cities''
And Russians creating real humanitarian corridor
@@jankarolchodkiewicz4065 Well, Soviets aint Russians...Majority of Soviet soldiers maintaining soviet rule in European states were of Belorussian, Baltic, or Ukranian origin as those units were stationed closer to border and knew the terrain more.
ahah brainwashed
@@Лукошко-э1нno.
@@GrimmaStadguardplease think for a fucking second who was controlling it, who was in command, who was seting the ideology
It’s what entity you’re in not actual ethnicity of allndivkduals or sth lmfoa
Soviet invasion was unrealistic at that time. There are preserved documents of the Soviet Politburo, that they didn't want invasion of Poland even in the event of the fall of the PZPR. The Soviets were terrified by the vision of a second Afghanistan in the middle of Europe. The Soviet economy was also dependent on food imports from the USA and was also dependent on the export of oil and gas to Western Europe, which required supplies of American technology for the transmission of oil and gas. Carther and then Reagan warned Soviet if they invade they will block all food import and block gas and oil pipline technology export to USSR. There are preserved documents, that in the event of the fall of the PZPR, Brezhnev planned to come to an agreement with the new authorities on the principle of "extended Finlandization".
Exactly that. I love when enlightened people come forward and share better knowledge and criticism.
Poland wouldn't be a second afghanistan, Poland is pretty much easy to conquer given you have powerful military
@@Floridaboi-pe3fk You missed the point.
Imagine spreading missinformation
@@Floridaboi-pe3fk exactly like Afghanistan, also a hell to maintain under the occupation
I love how the main problem of the video according to the comment section is that the Soviets would never respect Polish cities and lives by creating humanitarian corridors. Really shows how good the quality of this video is.
The main problem is that by the 1980's there would be no invasion, the Politburo already decided that Poland was lost and that it would only be a matter of time, but they didn't tell the Polish central committee, because why would they
Just like what the americans did in iraq?
>warsaw pact member existing
>does something the USSR opposes
>is invaded by warsaw pact
repeat
Warsaw invaded by the Warsaw...
Exactly. This pact should be called "Shut the fuck up pact"
Then it would be more accurate
12:13 I like the little "30 days at Hel" reference. Nice one, and overall, Great work.
Not only is it Hoi4 reference, it's also connected to the fact that polish soldiers in fact stood for 30 days in Hel in 1939. They surrendered on the 2nd of October, over a week after the fall of Warsaw!
The Hel peninsula is long and very thin, varying from 2km to even 300m of width, so it's easy to block - no surprise it's a great stronghold. Germans in 1945 also held out for a few months until surrendering in may.
This video is very nice. The most surprising part is that Soviet intervention in 1982 has so little impact in history of 3rd Polish Republic (post 1989)
Which, is a primary inaccuarcy of the scenario in fact.
This is one of the best and most realistic Alternative History scenarios
I'm serious one of the best made videos of this topic I've ever seen!
HOLY SHIT MAN THIS IS AMAZING, i honestly would not expect for you to make a video on Poland, especially at this degree of quality. And while some things i find personally slightly unrealistic it is honestly a good peice of work. The only major things i would call unrealistic would be elections after the invasion and certaint battles/fights for cities (mainly in the south) as large part of it is i should word it as "not best" for infantry fighting vehicles and tanks and a fast push to the city of Krakow from the Soviet border as this would be very hard to achive within the span of a month. The elections are kinda janked with certaint candidates getting to power before becoming well known to get into such position. Additionaly some minor errors that aren't really noticable but when found are kinda annoying tbh. Overall the rest of the scenario is great, however i see room for improvement after the intervention like attempted intervention into the soviet territories by the Polish authorities during their fall (mainly to the Wilno region as certaint politicians wanted it to become either autonomus within Lithuania/Belarus or to stand independent). I would like to see some more content related to my home country in the future, possibly with maybe the Border crisis or a scenario where the missle found in Poland was actually Russian.
In short, gud vid
In my opinion Poland would be more right-wing than left-wing today (trzaskowski winning with almost 60% of votes) if a communist invasion happened 40 years prior
trzaskowski isnt a communist LOL
@@maxymillian The left does not equal communism.
The fact that mildly liberal centrist can be easily labeled as "far-left" (and large segment of our population will gladly eat it up) is a testament to how far to the right the Overton Window has been pushed in Poland, unfortunately.
@@igorwoek502”unfortunately” 🤓☝🏻
@@igorwoek502 but he is not a crentrist he is a left winger. PO used to be centrist in the past and atm its center-left at best if not solid left wing party. Why do you think they just made an alliance with past communist huh?
"The Soviets establish a humanitarian corridor leading out of Warsaw in order to allow civilians to escape" - won't happen in any timeline ever
BTW very interesting piece of work, great job!
Just like what the americans did in iraq?
OMG, but... maybe you just listened a anti-soviet propaganda? 🤫
@@NIKSUS_YT nah, just living in eastern Europe and knowing how the average rusky behaves
@@初日の出_初日の入り in eastern Europe have not propaganda? 🤔😂
I live in western Europe, what next?
@@NIKSUS_YT We have plenty of it. And yet almost everyone that had a contact with russia hates them, that's for a reason. Greetings from the east.
Holy hell, good work! This is the kind of videos that I wake up for in the morning.
Poland being invaded from 2 sides again 💀😭
Oh yeah mr crabs
Besides the parts about preventing the damage and destruction to the historic cities and humanitarian corridors, this is the best alteriative history video I watched in a very long time. Creating this material had to be a lot of hard work. Great job!
“The last polish mi-24 was shot down in northern counterattack” Man… Imagine the sadness that the crew felt when they figured out every single other MI-24 has been shot down and they are the ONLY one left of that aircraft type, no fellow squadrons, no wingmen, nothing. Just their chopper, the air, and the enemy…
Edit: Same thing with the last polish MiG-23. I’d say it is arguably worse because it is you against the whatever the enemy decides fit to send after a lone aircraft. Imagine the terror the pilot felt when he probably realized that he was merged and outnumbered
9:46 okay I know this is pure fiction, but soviets would never care about shit like that, they would just command to out right flat the cities to ground if nessecery
No no, they would. They needed to not antagonize the populace to be able to set up a functional puppet government, like all of this is very obvious, the scenario is well thought out. The soviets would very much allow such things as they knew the war was already won, this isnt like Ukraine stop treating it like Ukraine.
no not really this is coming from an anti communist btw Leoned Brezhnev isn't Stalin i dont really even need to explain this too you its just an uneducated comment you cant really call them ruthless in europe its pretty unrealistic for them to flat out destroy warsaw for the sake of the battle thats just not how modern warfare works lmao
@@AdamAkel-d1o also I'm not fucking retarted as you tried to implicate in this comment
@@AdamAkel-d1o well this video whole and comment section is soaked in anti-communist and anti-USSR propaganda. Although the post-Stalin USSR was not socialist (and therefore was more hurtful to people living there), the USSR would not commit war crimes. That's more up NATO alley
buddy do you realize this is leonid brezhnev??
to the 00`s it makes sense but after XD
you must be very young and dont remember that for the last 20 years PiS and PO are the only two political parties that can form the government, much like republicans and democerats in the USA or tories and labours in UK. And in regard to the specific events, in this timeline the war alternated the course of the events but not very much compared to the reality.
It's cool that these tools can just be used for IRL mapping aswell
Amazing video!
However personally I doubt if Poland would be that "strong" in terms of GDP at the 01.01.2026 in case of war/military operation held by USSR in 1982.
Anyway good job! I would love to see even more videos about alternate timelines of Poland
100+ hours to make this video!? Good work 👏👏
very good, like a merger of your ww3 videos and the videos on the uk and usa in the tno universe
Very good vid, watched all of it.
I think the events of invasion of 1982-1983 would influence the country much more after 1989 than you showed it. It would definietly shape the way of foregin policy or economy. The full scale, few months long invasion with major battles, stronger than 1968 or even 1956 events. How many casualties was in that "scenario"?
I just saw the post on r/AlternateHistory, didn't know a video came along with it 😅 amazing work man
Kwasnewski winning president election make no sens becouse he was part of overthrowned communist government, yes he was in reformes wing but still if Solidarność walcząca (fighting solidarity) take power they simply put every one from old regime before court (OTL it wont happend becouse moderate wing of solidarność and moderate wing from communist party make a deal and some ex communist politicians alike Kwaśniewski can participate in democratic elections). And also moods among citizena after such invastion will be extremely anti communist, socialist and anti lesifist, and this is another reason why Sdrp and Kwaśniewski can't won. More realisticly is if right parties (alike porozumienie centrum (center agreament). And also after that polish political discurs would be more right
Bro how tf did he won irl
@@Eggardy Because other parties (above all anti communist and right parties) and politicians (with esspacialy Lech Walensa as face) make many bad moves and bring some what of instability. Thanks it post communist (they are reformist wing of PZPR) gain popularity due to fact they has been seen as more serious and thoughtful. And during Lech Walensa and Kwasnewski presidental debate Walensa act like a crazy unlike gentel and calm Kwasnewski.
Awesome video, luv ur stuff man
I don't know how i got there, but I admire your attention to the details. I would love to watch similar video showing scenario, in which Ukraine has collapsed in early 2022 and Russia put pressure on baltic states and Poland. Keep up the good work bro!
Great Video
What timeline is this?
Ours
@@ricebro7044 no
Looks like Wargame European Escalation
@@ricebro7044it never happened in our timeline (in our timeline there was a martial law declared but nothing else happend
@@Patrolx24Poland does not deserve to be its own country.
2:26 i know your using current maps but... New highways like A4 were not built before late 80's.
Just saying that this map is inacurate to the times.
Also, in terms of the Voivodeships too, using modern ones instead of the old 1975-98 ones.
the first parts of A4 highway were built during the 30s by the Nazi Germany government, we managed to inherit them after Yalta
The video is of top notch quality, however it contains some errors and flaws. For example 2:35 there was no Senate upper house during the Polish People's Republic period, so the Solidarity forces couldn't have stormed it.
Also, it gets rather boring after the invasion. Nothing really changes apart from certain leaders and minor details. Shouldn't Soviet invasion of one of the key Warsaw Pact members that late into the Cold War alter the future of the region much more drastically? Would Poland transition to democracy that similarly to our timeline? Would NATO still expand that similarly? Would Russia behave that similarly?
Not to be nitpicky, just want to say there is a room for improvement and greater research.
But you know that in our timeline Polish GDP is bigger? 844 BLN $ (2024) in our timeline and 797 BLN $ (2026) in this timeline
@@ukasz-ss2jy well maybe I have flawed source. What's yours?
🤓
@@mghd1745 just check the latest statistics. Statista, Trading Economics, worldbank etc
@@ukasz-ss2jy okay, I checked and apparently I've got wrong data, thanks. Comment edited.
Briliant video
it never happened. Could you at least say somewhere that it's an alternative history?
the description:
It's quite obvious this never happened?
@@dust195Yeah and there were never invasion on Hungary, xd
There are many stupid people unfotunely and you would need to sctually know about Warsaw pacts situation in 80' to know it's fake, when I don't think it's teached in every country.
@@Darwidx Maybe I'm just too autistic. I forget not everybody knows the history of the cold war from outside of their country's teachings.
@@dust195 I am everyday reminded about it as I am the only personl I know irl that knows anything about history more than is teached in local schools.
Awesome job 🔥
Thx for this masterpiece
i feel like it tries to stick to real events top much making it a bit weird and chaotic
The East Germans weren’t even allowed to take part in the Czechoslovak operation in real life due to fears of increased resistance because of history. You think they’d be allowed to operate in Poland of all places?
Yuh
@@JokingGuy1342why? Even today Poles (at least on the right) still use Germany as a boogeyman
Really good video.
(I from Poland)
We remember and we will remember this forever.
it literally did not happen
I know
Nice work on the war part but whats the reasoning behind armed intervention leading to post-communist party staying in power for longer than in OTL?
The soviet eastern block relation is just a love hate relationship lol
400 years of humiliation, and now the Poles are finally free.
Nice video
Pretty cool!
Correction: Bornholm is Danish
Why it doesn’t says that it’s Alternative history?
You deserve more subs i love your work
7:58 in fact the list of events really reminds me copypaste of early Russo-Ukrainian war in 2022
THIS is the mapping
I believe it is a bit unrealistic to let civilians escape
Wargame: European Escalation, anyone?
20:26 wild to imagine anne applebaum as first lady of poland
Also would be weird to see Polish goverments and parties rulling for sooooo long especially in the 90s and early 2000s
What tools were used for the footage and the entire video itself?
TNO style OTL cold war? Take my views
I'd love to watch a movie about this. 80s conflict against two Warsaw Pact states with guerrilla warfare sounds dope
yet again poland is yet again sandwiched to a sticky situation
Tno became so popular they're making tno otl
I don't think the Polish would execute Jaruzelski.
I think certain groups might. Some thought of him as a criminal after he retired.
Jeruzelski wasn't treator
This was🔥
Impressive detail and background but also completely unrealistic as far as alternative history goes. The USSR would never have allowed things to go this far and they would have intervened much earlier. Also, the Polish military at the time was closely integrated with the Soviet army and so was the senior officer corps. The majority of regular soldiers might not have liked the Soviets very much but they were isolated for months in their barracks and training areas precisely to keep them in the dark of what was going on. So yes, there would be some scattered fighting and mutinies if the USSR invasion took place, but no massive organized opposition as shown here.
True to fact, the Polish People's Army would be hard-ass fanatics, however, most were also conscripted and weren't as abusive of the citizens as the ZOMO and Citizens' Milice were, with beating them to death and also using sharp ammunition. They were at best used as watchmen patrolling on the streets during protests or workers' strikes. Since they were conscripts they also showed discontent with their situation and how the government and Citizens' Milice were handling the strikes with brutality. Conscription was mandatory in the country, and those who refused were sent to a psychiatric facility, as per typical Brezhnev-Era fashion.
What is Mitterrand doing???
Oh no it’s happening again for a 3rd time.
the most unrealisitc part is rafał to become an president
Yeah, sadly.
Not sadly
Hey about the Iran video is it almost finished?
Can you give me your map?
🔥🔥🔥keep cooking
what's the original speech/audio when soviets declared war?
Can we an Greek Alternate History?
Nice earlier
Nice work bro, we need more similar vids about alternate otl, greetings from POland
It's true?
Wow!
Is this real?
W video
bruh czemu jakieś nn rządzą od 2018 22:03
trzaskowski no name? XD prosze cie
What if USSR survived?
Poland would 100 percent lose land either to the ussr or germany gets back some of east germany
No lol, when Hungary rebelled against the Soviets and lost, they didn't punish them territorially aswell as the Czechoslovaks. So no, you're wrong.
Poland would not have lost any land, especially to east germany. At that time, there would be no reason for East Germany or Soviets to get any land, plus all the Germans were relocated between 45-70's. Keeping it under a Polish-Rule government would be most likely, however it is possible for Poland to be devolved into regional districts rather than a single large state.
@@zoryball no I'm not lmao in a draw out war the soviets would have punished Hungarians harder but the uprising last literally a month and killed hardly any soviets there was also the fact that Hungary had no more land to give to due ww2 and Trianon, two completely different events and effects.
What is not widely known, while east Germany accepted the Oder-Neisse rivers as its borders to PL in general, they disagreed with losing Stettin in the northeast, west to the river, up until the 70ies, when the transformation of Rostock to a habour city was completed. The leaders never openly declared their disappointment
@@MassiveChoad-vr5gy Yes you are dude, no country that rebelled in the eastern bloc got punished territorially, accept defeat bluddy
1:37 they used to have that?
30/4 1945
30/4 1975
30/4 1982
I then the soviet call for caution is propaganda
you forgot add: "alt-history"
Od początku wieciał że CBS news zapamiętału o naszą Polsce jeszcze nie wiem ale przy okazji wiem o co chodziło czy UA-cam mówi prawdę🤔🤔🤔
Why would this Poland have higher GDP than otl?
I'd assume a less incompetent Balcerowicz lol
It doesn't, the GDP for 2026 is $794bn compared to $845bn in 2024 for OTL
@@JokingGuy1342 oh sorry then my mistake
@@PexTheCreature Or the Jan Olszewski approach, with much need of relief packages and also economic reform to 3rd-class citizens, in the form of welfare and humanitarian benefits.
JOANNA MUCHA BAZA
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President isn't Trzaskowski
It's still Andrzej Duda
Trzaskowski is president of Warsaw but it's not President of Poland
It's an alt-history video.
In reality, the Soviets had no intent to intervene in Poland, which makes the scenario itself very impossible and also unrealistic. In the words of Yuri Andropov: "Even if Poland falls under the control of Solidarity, that's the way it will be."
I would make a much better scenario branching off from the Polish resistance activities in WW2, with an OSS-backed paramilitary organization embedding itself within the country, working together with the Home Army until Operation Tempest successfully liberates most of the country from the Nazi's until a Soviet invasion, forcing them to go underground and wage successful guerrilla war against the Polish People's Republic throughout the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's until Early 1981 when a revolution sparked by the paramilitary results in Jaruzelski's death, and formal ending and prosecution of the Communist regime in Poland, soon followed by Lech Wałęsa becoming president until 1992, when he's ousted from power by a coup d'état by Jan Parys following Wałęsa's neglecting of his priorities as president and clashing with his policies and attempts of reform by Prime Minister Jan Olszewski, with Poland having a much greater economy, government and military than in our timeline, with no polarization and no Left/Right-wing divide, but rather a Social-Libertarian benevolent government running the country for 30 years, implementing welfare and stability into Poland, but keeping democracy and freedom of speech during the initial years until elections take place, while maintaining Olszewski in power. What this alternate timeline modern-day Poland May have looked is what i came up with through years of writing.
Your scenario on the other hand, comes from someone who spent their spare time doing nothing else than misleading propaganda NATOwave edits, feeding off the tabloid media lies of propaganda from the soy media cycle spun ever since the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the same one which brands my country as an "economic powerhouse" and "military superpower" despite an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary, while in reality my country had gone through 30 years of sh*t instead, and lacks any formal experience in historical research or perspective.
I just think for the future, you should move on from doing stuff outside of your field of knowledge instead of attempting to do what you have no intent on researching further.
ain't nobody gaf about you 🙏
nobody gaf bro 🙏🙏 this is alt history
@@flow3326 Nobody "GAF" about trolls like you, whatever this means. Alternate history has to be grounded at least during some point in reality.
It needs a branch to start off from. You cannot magically use an artificial factor.
@@umlowiec Nobody "GAF" about trolls like you either, whatever this means. Alternate history has to be grounded at least during some point in reality.
It needs a branch to start off from. You cannot magically use an artificial factor.
@@Alex_Guy1011 i am NOT reading allat bro 😬😬😬 its just an alt history video bro
Delusion lol. They cant defeat Ukraine today. Much less they couldn't make so huge territory advance in 24h against army of Polish People Republic which was on the same advance level at that time as USSR. Also all country was ready for war and pople trained
Cant defeat ukraine? the entire world is supliyng ukraine , ussr is just diferent from modern day russia , stop spreadng Nafo missinformation on youtube please
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