WHO ARE THE MOST OVERRATED BOXERS OF ALL TIME? PAULIE AND NES ARGUE!!!
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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Paulie Giving Ward full credit for beating Kessler but not Calzaghe because he beat him in Wales wtf? Kessler was undefeated when Calzaghe beat him
Calzaghe got a standing ovation from Manny Steward for his performance against Kessler ,Ward hit him with his head more than his fists lok
He said that Joe didn't fight the people he's credited for when they were killers...Roy mainly
I like Calzaghe but that was a washed roy. Once roy came back down from heavyweight he was done. Back to back Ko losses. Three losses in a row, then went the distance with 2 guys he should've destroyed
He was and Joe was a bit older.
Exactly!! Calzaghe is my all time favorite. What combinations, timing and condition. So beyond underrated when he's the greatest
Nes is losing his mind. Ward was a relative nobody when that tournament started. Kessler, Froch and Abraham were the favorites to win. Ward is my favorite fighter of the most recent generation and the super six tournament is where we all learned how good he really was.
Berlanga "the phony one" is the most hyped fighter in the sweet science today
Yup. He's one punch away from being completely wrecked
💯 agreed..
Facts I almost feel bad for the guy 😂😂😂😂
He’s a prospect
If berlanga dont tighten his shot group up he gonna get blasted
The other goof is completely wrong about the perception of Ward going into the Super Six. That tournament was thought to be for Kessler or Abraham. Ward was an actual underdog according to bookies against Kessler.
Every word of this is on point
Exactly Ward was a underdog
You're exactly right. I remember Kessler being the favorite.
F Arthur Abraham. He lost me cash. Dude wouldn't punch!! He had crazy power. Ward was the pitter patter guy from what I remember. Ward got the respect afterwards because he beat the guys in different ways and then he became a pound for pound guy.
I thought ward was going to get hurt didn't give him a chance. He did his thing 👏
Going into the Super 6 Ward was viewed as a “dark horse” at best. He definitely surprised a lot of people.
Don't know about that bruh..he was on vacation when the call came for him as a replacement in the Super 6... basically collected all the belts from that tounment... Another Lacey maybe Taylor from that tounment especially after Pavlik and Froc both brutal stoppage..
@@FreestyleTunx I do “know about that” Ward wasn’t even the American betting favorite Andre Direlle had better odds. Arthur Abraham and Kessler were the odds on favorites to win the whole thing.
I watched every fight, scheduling change, and countdown episodes.
@@benjaminunanaowo2929 totally rewrote history and changed the landscape of the division.... from European dominance at the time.. and yes they weren't expecting Ward to go and clean the division an underdog from the get go..
@@FreestyleTunx Honeslty I wish we had a super 6 the past 2 years from 135lb division. Loma, tank, Rryan Garcia, Teo, Haney, Kambosos. Could have turned them all into household names with the right reality shows on ESPN and Fox.
@@benjaminunanaowo2929 absolutely bro...Wild West style shoot out... last man Standing takes all...we the fan's would be treated to something special..
Ward barely ever left Oakland let alone USA lol. You can't praise ward and slag calzaghe for never leaving Wales
He really aint travel at all!
why leave the us when the best fighters are here inferior fighter are everywhere else you sound like an idiot Lebron never won in France?? what???
Ward never ducked ANYONE. Calzaghe ducked Chad Dawson. Ward is a way better all around fighter than Joe.
@@awkwardblacktribe2100 not even remotely close to the point I was making. Ward also weight drained Dawson to 168 anyway lol but you leave that part out of course. Let's just face it "Black" tribe you are looking at the skin tone and nothing else
@@awkwardblacktribe2100 not that I even said Calzaghe was better. I don't think he was. I was saying you can't knock Calzaghe for never leaving his backyard when Ward never left his backyard either.
This is one of the best podcasts on boxing I've ever heard. It's really awesome to hear two guys that REALLY know boxing, and have great respect for the sport.
Facts.
Nes doesn’t know shit ab boxing
Frock lol. But also Paulie is right, Kessler was actually the favorite to win the tournament, Ward wasn't known much yet.
::)
He was known but everyone thought he wasn’t that good. Didn’t have a knockout punch. Floyd type wannabe. No one gave him a chance.
@@Hyper_Driven facts actually filled in for someone as a replacement in the Super 6 and was the last American left after the rest lost...
@@Hyper_Driven little DID they know, he would become one of the best an most dangerous fighter of his era, and his body punches were so underrated..
@@brasstacksboxing409 yep but most people forget that guy gets down in the trenches fights for position using his body as a weapon basically and proceeds to hand out ass whopping...his a dawg behind that nice guy persona....
Nobody picked Ward to win the Super Six. Dude is buggin hard.. my goodness
Yeah,his memory can't be that short.
This was an all time great podcast. Well done guys.
Paulie is forgetting that Calzaghe took his super middleweight title from Chris Eubank who had 21 title defenses at the time. The super middle weight division was in England not in America. Chris Eubank beat Nigel Benn. Nigel Benn then went to America and beat some of the top American super middles including Gerald McClellan who never recovered, Iran Barkley by TKO, and Doug DeWitt by TKO.
Why didn't Eubanks fight James Toney after Toney talked about his momma????
Why didn't Eubanks fight a prime Roy?
@@pianoblack5885 because they would have beat his ass
joes win vs eubank was a good win but eubank was no longer in his prime.
@@pianoblack5885 err because he would have been badly beaten. He swerved Sanderline Williams and many others.. typical matchroom fighter.
@@wayneomartino1818 Roy even said he thought Eubank would cause him problems. And Eubank did anything but dodge, he’s in top 5 British of all time, and he fought everyone in his era, he fought; Benn, Watson, Collins most of them in their backyards, and beat most of them. Never even heard of this Williams chap your talking about. The Matchroom comment is irrelevant.
I met Paulie a few times cool peoples, but he’s wrong and right about Calzaghe. His man is right too, I wish Calzaghe fought more and didn’t retire. But he beat the people he was supposed to beat, he beat Kessler before Ward, beat Lacy when Lacy was undefeated and knocking dudes out like Tyson then he beat Hopkins and Jones. Those are big wins, so I give Paulie a loss in a tight one
I think if Joe stuck around long enough to beat both Carl Froch and Chad Dawson he would've been universally accepted as an all-time great
Hopkins and Jones were pensioners when he fought them. The status of great fighters is determined by the quality of their opponents. Look at the upper echelon of fighters and look at the dudes they fought.
No you haven’t
@@brandonlamb9067 would’ve been crazy if he beat ward too
@@sl11tenderhand agreed and when you beat them just because they have a name doesn’t mean you deserve full credit that’s not how it works
Paulie is applying a double standard with the aspect of hindsight 20/20
I think a lot of the amateurs that come up with a lot of clout can sometimes be overrated and exposed early in their career. Just getting in the ring and making it to 12 round fights for for decade, even if you’re a gate keeper is respectable. I wouldn’t say Chris Arreola, Providnikov, or some of the of the guys that never won big fights are overrated.
Nobody knew Ward going in to the Super Six. He was literally marketed as the dark horse of the tournament.
He wasn't even in the original one
@@andymccreight3175 yes he was? Andre Dirrell, Mikkel Kessler, Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch, Jermaine Taylor, and Andre Ward were the original Super Six tournament
I usually hold his opinion quite high in value but Pauline he’s hating here on Calzaghe though.
Paulie knows the stay unbeaten your whole career, even at European level is some achievement. Anybody can get clipped, go asleep for 3 rounds etc and lose a fight. Fact is, due to lack of power everyone thought they'd get in there and just walk Joe down. But let's be honest he literally slapped everyone's head off...
Yeah he did but 95% of them were bums nobody had ever heard of.
@@tonyh896595 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot! 99 percent of your favorites fighters opponents were gay porn stars
Calzaghe beating Hopkins was a good win too because Hopkins fought for 8 more years after that fight and was still beating good fighters. That fight was 3 years before Hopkins became the lineal light heavyweight champion. It was a very close fight though.
Always felt Hopkins won, there was a great breakdown of the fight in slow motion which showed Calzaghe landing on gloves alot more than it seemed on fight night too, was a great fight either way though! Great times!
@@gavbyrne6615 agreed, joe didn’t touch him.
Hopkins won that best beliveve it was a robbery and a half bro lets keep it 100%
@@gavbyrne6615 Hopkins should have been deducted points for excessive holding in that fight, he's awesome but he only stayed in the fight because of the holding.
Hopkins was 43 he was definitely past his best
Calzaghe is a top 10 super middleweight of all time.
Loved watching him fight. Calzaghe was a proper boxing martial artist.
Calzaghe didnt fight the opponents to be considered a great, Kessler, old roy and old hopkins. Thats it.
Easily.
That's not saying much
Definitely
Bring these longer segments back Paulie!
"those guys Ward fought weren't established" haha Ward was by far the least established going into that tournament. Seriously you just gotta walk away from the debate when you say something like that. He clearly watched none of that era
Facts. I remember people saying the tournament was set up for Kessler to win it 😂
Andre Ward hands down most overrated of all time
Say this all the time.
Ward is better than clenelo and golovkin
@@SwiftSloan lol give over
@@SwiftSloan 😂😂😂
Agreed. along with Bradley wilder contemplate Oscar sometimes even tho he is the reason I started watching boxing he lost his biggest fights
Paulie right. Everybody knows He beat Roy and B-Hop when they were outta their prime
But Hopkins had huge wins for years after that loss so was he really that washed up he was whooping some young guys ass
Yeah but Hopkins was still a really top contender as seen in how competitive the fight was and won multiple titles after
@@tmint2265 ur right but we all know Roy was way outta his prime
@@benrangers26w He still had a bit of a spark, because he's Bernard Hopkins, but that wasn't the same Bernard Hopkins that fought DeLaHoya.
@@crisleroi299 Bernard Hopkins fought a much much smaller man in DLH, y’all give that weight bully too much credit for that win
When Nes asked Paulie who's the Jeff Lacy of this generation,he wanted Paulie to say Adrien Broner so bad smh.But AB actually became champ after his first loss,Jeff Lacy didn't.
What? Broner is a 5 division champ. People literally put inoue as the #1 p4p for being a 2 division champ. I highly doubt anyone who knows boxing was thinking Adrien Broner when he said that.
Paulie is trippin on Ward. The Super Six, Kovalev Ward fights & Chad Dawson wins should all have asterisk next to them. Jermain Taylor dropped out of the Super Six. Lucian Bute the IBF 168 champ didnt participate. The Dawson fight was at 168 even though he was the 175 lineal champ. 1st Kovalev fight was a robbery. 2nd fight was ruled a TKO after 20 low blows. Calzage had more wins, More KO's more title defenses & was a bigger draw than Ward.
That’s a very biased view. A lot of Calzaghe’s wins/accomplishments can have asterisks next to them as well.
@@AyeYoBoxingWithMadiba bias how? Did Ward fight Taylor or Dirrell? Was Bute in the Super 6? Did Ward fight Dawson @ 175? Didnt Kovalev outland & drop Ward in the 2nd rd? And still 3 American judges gave Ward the fight. In the rematch didnt Kovalev complain about the low blows? Did the Ref give Kovalev a 10 count? Nope he stopped the fight.
@@AyeYoBoxingWithMadiba if your gonna accuse someone of being bias give examples dont just accuse someone of being bias especially when someone is giving facts
@@TheMartin9400 1.) Win over Roy
2.) Win over Hopkins
3.) Win over Lacey
4.) Fighting exclusively in Wales/England for vast major of career
5.) Fighting at 168 for the majority of his career when he could’ve moved up to 175 for bigger fights/better opponents
@@TheMartin9400 I’m not even a Calzaghe hater either but it’s easy to find things to criticize a boxer when you’re biased.
Taylor and Bute not being in the Super Six is out of Ward’s control so why criticize him over that? And the Dawson fight criticism is understandable but I notice that boxing fans tend to be biased when it comes to boxers going up/down in weight. For example, Canelo fans criticize the Marquez/Floyd fight but say nothing about Khan/Canelo fight
Andre ward & Tim Bradley. They speak like there Gods. Ward only had 1 tough fight that he got dropped in & Bradley got all in his feelings after losing to Pac !
i did go back and rewatched senchenko fight with paulie ... and man paulie was right . that fight he was sooo on point in every move . he put a boxing lesson that night . he was in the best shape
Floyd Mayweather Jr for sure. More businessman than fighter, knew when to take certain fights, drained his opponents with hydration clauses which Canelo now copies. Exposed as a drug cheat himself. Avoided fighters in their prime and loved to pick them when they were at the end or coming off wars.
You can't deny Floyd abilities tho, true he picked who and when to fight but I wouldn't say Floyd is overrated because of his skills. He's in the top 20/15 at least of the last 50 years.
Canelo only used rehydration clauses when he was moving up in weight for the first time, he used it with Kovalev when he went from middleweight straight to lightheavy, Rocky Fielding and I think Chavez. And a +10 pound rehydration isn't the worst thing, today's boxing is full of weight bullies it became normal. None of the 168 champions he beat had any clause so idk at what you should be mad at
@@Alex-trl even against Kovalev.. IBF had its own 10lb rehydration limit...Kovalev made many defenses with a 10lb rehydration limit
And that is great???in what boxing World is that great???all of you floyd suckers the greats of the past all of them hate floyd and love paquiao because paquiao fight the guys in there prime!!!!when boxing became like a politicion Thing!!!!!
Cotto Corralas? Castillo? Maidana? Canelo? Zab Judah than beat the guy who beat Judah, Went up to 154 in 10OZ gloves to beat Oscar, then KOd Hatton that same year in 10OZ gloves
There is no game plan! Ummm.... No Floyd fought dangerous guys but Pac for example only fought guys he knew he could beat
Love hearing Paulie talk
The Chad Dawson win was a very big win at the time, Dawson had just beaten Hopkins twice, was LHW champion and was undefeated! He also offered to move down and fight Ward at 168 (which was a mistake) the beating Ward gave him actually broke him as a fighter and he went downhill but at the time it was a huge win!
Not a big win. He was drained.
Facts, only people who weren’t watching boxing at that time don’t understand how big of a win that was, never mind the fact that Ward did it in dramatic fashion. Ward broke a lot of guys in his career, Kessler , Alan Green , Dawson , and especially kovalev. Ward took those guys souls
Paulie is absolutely right bhop longevity alone makes him a all time great ,and ward won a lot of fight that people picked against him not to mention his and bhop skills
I'm a big Paulie fan but he's so wrong putting andre ward above joe calzage that's insane to me kovalev he best wins carl froch and kovalev and he lost the first kovalev fight calzages resume is so much better andre ward overated all day
In no way is calzaghe have the better resume over ward.
I liked calzaghe as a fighter better thoigh.
@@oldironsides4107 Agreed. Love Calzaghe but Ward’s resume is clearly superior.
Did I hear Pauli say Calzaghe fought Lazy , Veit and Pudwell in Wales? If so he is wrong. Lacy was manchester, Pudwell was Newcastle and Veit (2) was Germany.
As for the proposed Froch fight....well...when Calzaghe fought Jones in his last fight , Froch was just the commonwealth champ....why would he fight him?????
Does he have the original recording on the channel?
He's way off on Calzaghe here. He won EVERY fight in Wales, England, Germany, USA...everywhere. B-Hop wasn't done when he fought him and Kessler was undefeated. Yes, in Wales but Ward fought him in the US!!!! I don't get the logic. Ward even lost his first fight against Kovalev!! Admittedly he got incredible revenge in the rematch!
Yeah I love Andre Ward and I’m not saying he would lose to Calzaghe but Paulee is so far off here it’s insane
He said he never fought a big name even close to their prime other than Lacey and he’s correct. I like joe but he fought a bunch of stiffs.
@@rickybobby8716 wtf Mikkel Kessler past his prime beat Carl Froch but wasn't a great fighter when Calzaghe beat him in his prime? Manny Steward picked Kessler to beat Calzaghe, Kessler was seen as a murder machine going in against Calzaghe, he was absolutely a big name, it was a unification fight
Agreed
And who are the guys he defended his wbo belt against from 1997-2006. Calzaghes resume is pathetic.
Kessler was one of my favourite fighters. I remember being at the Kessler v Mundine fight as a young kid
The Lacey vs Calzaghe fight was a similar situation to Porter vs Brook, no one gave Brook a chance and Porter was seen as a Welterweight Mike Tyson before he fought Brook but Brook got the win.
Except after lacy lost that fight he was literally never the same again whereas Porter went on to have a good career post Brook
@@kiely4561 Yeah you're right 👍 Porter still had a good career after the Brook fight plus the Porter vs Brook fight was a close fight. I just meant that most people thought Porter was gonna walk through Brook.
Love the fact that Paulie shows real respect for Collazo. Collazo is one of the more underrated fighters of the past 20 years. I was at the Hatton-Collazo fight, he beat Ricky. At some points he was beating him up, but that Mayweather fight had to be made.
Paulie is knowledgeable af
I only just realised how he do AB dirty with that thumbnail pic of him in the lineup! 🤣
Most overrated fighter as of right now is Nicolas Ali Walsh
I like you Paulie but you should fact check before making statements, the lacy fight was not in Wales it was in Manchester, completely different country. Joe is an all time great, and trying to listen to you justify why Joe beating Kessler isn't important but Ward beating him is just makes you look like a hater
Paulie was always fighting an uphill battle. No he didn't have power but he made it and got screwed by the system. Nothing but respect.
Joe calzaghe is a hall of fame fighter plus 1 of the few unbeaten fighters in history can't not give him the credit
His record is mediocre though. being unbeaten is an achievement but so was Sven Ottke who was around during his reign holding the wbc belt. it's who you fight and when you fight them.
@@tonyh8965 there is definitely truth to that but I been in boxing for years u can fight someone who your a 100 times better then and lose on the off day style's make fights 💯
5 most overrated fighters
1.Shane Mosley above 135
2. Donald Curry
3. Adrien Broner
4. Mikey Garcia
5. Riddick Bowe
How is AB overrated?
Great show.. you and Nes should combine podcasts. Serious
Superb...pauli we need you back on sky ..best boxing analyst in the sport no question
I'm pushing the like button but it won't let me do it. This is the first time in my life that this ever happened I'm actually pushing the like button 25 times and it just won't work I think they messing with your station bro
Calzaghe was/is overrated. And paulie lost to Artem Lobov who has more looses than wins.
And those are FACTS!
Man I would LOVE to come on this podcast and school Paulie on boxing.
His envy is rooted in the fact that Calazaghe is an Italian legend.
The nonsense he talked in this podcast was unreal.
Yes it’s very rare time I disagree with Paulie he’s usually pretty knowledgeable but seems to have a weird hatred towards britt fighters
@@bobby45 agreed 👍
Paulie was brilliant, I always rooted for him, but the odds were always stacked against him
A legend in his own mind
@@jamiejosh96 stop hating, I'd like to see you win a title... 0 chance
@@onthe9s857 lol, what’s your point exactly. He still massively overrates himself…. He wasn’t a genuine world champion. A word champion is the best in the world. When number 1 beats number 2, he didn’t do this, not even close.
@@jamiejosh96 well he massively over achieved for someone who carrys 0 power and another thing it requires different kinda guts to get in the ring, man fought pretty much everyone maybe didn't beat everyone but still a decent career... Stop hating man
@@onthe9s857 agreed. Love each other, not hate! Too much hate in the world right now. Both fighters fought with bravery that makes Anne frank seem like a coward. Meet up and make love with one another.
Good to see Paulie looking & sounding healthy. Good convo
How can you put Ricky Hatton in the elite list he was useless come forward fighter but no skill just head first 0 skill
He had very underrated foot work and punch placement
Wait a minute, what is Paulie talkin about? When exactly did Ward fight outside the US? He was the only fighter in the super 6 that never fought an away fight. So does that mean he's overrated?
Ward was good but he lost to the best around at that time kovalev...second fight he should have been disqualified for low blows but had the ref on the payroll....
Bingo
Ward won both fights ... I swear you white boys come up with the lamest excuses...
@@montbrink4700 racist...my 5 favourite fighters of all time are Leonard.. roy Jones...hearns...tyson...benn....all black fighters you clown why does everything have to be about race with some people....
Great show. Both of you could do big things together
Hey Paulie big fan 1st off glad to see u have a podcast 👍 gd luck with it moving forward. You definitely was underrated and I wanna say Prince Naseem Ahmed..nobody ever mentions him! Great movement, accurate, and power just had 0 defense. Bring his name up on ur next show pls and would love to hear ur thoughts on him as a fighter thanks Paulie 😎👍
Roy Jones for me is easily one of the greatest of all time, Calzache beat him in America. People say Roy was past his prime which is true, but so was Calzache as they were only about 2.5 years apart in age. There wasn't a massive age gap like people like to say there was.
There wasn't a massive age gap, but Roy was already 23 fights into his fight career by the time Calzaghe turned pro, so had alot more miles on the clock. He was also about 10 years past his best at the time of the Calzaghe fight. Prime vs prime, Roy beats him with ease
@@alanrobinson7891 Oh yes I totally agree prime Roy beats prime Joe
This is rich I love it when boxers that are retired or have losses or both say you gotta fight everyone to be great hahaha
If u don't fight the best competition in ur Prime how can u consider urself a great ?
I could have listened for a couple more hours. Awesome job gentlemen!!!
they were both over the hill. Calzaghe was 36 and Jones was 38 and you must remember Calzahge's hands were ruined. He had no sparring for the fight. That's how good Calzaghe was.
Ward lost clearly against Kovalev in their first fight easy💯🥊🔥Kovalev got robbed disgustingly 🤦🏻♂️
And what happened the 2nd fight?
It wasn't clear, was a close fight, could've gone either way
Paulie said he got robbed against Broner…what?!? How many rounds does he think he won? Effective aggression, defense, clean punching, ring generalship…which of these scoring categories goes to Paulie in 7 out of 12 rds
As a someone from Britain Paul is bang on about Calzaghe. Boxing defences against people like Peter manfredo jr.
Where is the vid where he puts together that tier list? That deserves its own 2 hr episode.
Andre Ward, Roy Jones
Glad someone else said Roy Jones. Phenomenal Talent, Terrible Resume and boring fighter.
Ness definitely doesn’t remember the Ward era. They laughed heartily at me when I picked Ward to win that tournament.
Awesome discussion from two of the best boxing insiders.
The calzaghe one is wild. He beat Kessler, Hopkins, and embarrassed Roy Jones jr.
Kessler was definitely the favorite in the super 6. Abraham was the 2nd because people acted like he was going to KO everyone. Ward wasn't even higher than Dirrell. People were just hoping the Americans would be competitive. That was the period where everyone thought Europeans were taking over boxing.
everyone acts like Calzaghe wasn’t also approaching 40 when he fought all these guys past their primes…
Ward was NOT expected to beat Froch in the super six? Paulie knows his shit and he's making this guy look stupid!!
Didn't Paulie lose a boxing match against that MMA guy that was McGregor's sidekick? WTF? How was that possible?
Surgar Ray Robinson, Chavez, Duran, Finito Lopez, these guys almost hit 100 fights without losing. Back in the day they dodged no one like they do today.
Paulie could have had anyone in his corner but style wise he was made for Ricky.A guy with no power is never keeping Ricky off.
Mike Tyson is the most overrated of all time. Period. And I’m saying this as someone who LOVES him, but I can’t deny that he doesn’t have a single win against the heavyweight greats of his era. His three best wins are, what? Holmes (who was like 38), Spinks (who was a glorified light heavyweight), and Berbick (who was just a mediocre champion at best)? Objectively, his career is a combination of dominating against relatively weaker competition and a whole lot of excuses about how good he COULD have been if Cus hasn’t died
I like technical fighters because I like the sweet science of boxing so idc if a guy has power. Pauline could fight flat out and the guy that made me realize that was my guy the late great Nazeem Richardson. He said Paulie couldn't knock this glass of water with a running start. Pauline was offended then Nazeem explained he said "ya'll thank I was being funny but a guy that becomes two time world champion but has no power has got to be able to fight." "Imagine everybody thinkin they can walk thru you and you beat em… helluva fighter"
Ward is overrated imo. Larry Holmes is super underrated
How is Kessler going to Wales a strike against Calzaghe but Kessler going to Oakland not a strike against Ward?
I agree with Nes about Calzaghe. Calzaghe is not overrated. I agree with Paulie about Ward. Ward was absolutely the underdog in the Super Six tournament.
You were a true champ Paulie you reminded me of Camacho the flash and the back up. Plus u weren’t spoiled like these boxers now a days
at 11:00 Paulie was thinking of this generation's Jeff Left Hook Lacey: it's Mike jones who lost to Randall Bailey.
Paulie how can u say tank hasn't fought anybody or his wins aren't great, when no one wanted to fight him in the first place bro, c'mon. U need to chill, so let us know who's ur all time great then.
absolutely....Paulie is underrated in the ring and on the mic.....he tells it like it is and PBC didn't like him going against their narrative....
I once asked Paulie how he was doing. A half hour later....
Love the discussion, but Ward's victories over Kessler and Kovalev (both times: the first one a robbery and the second one via nut-punching) have asterisks next to them. Calzaghe all the way.
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I got a question for you guys. Is Berlanga the new Jeff Lacy?
Paulie was Edmond a good coach or not? I hear fighters do go to him but Rousey's boxing always looked really bad so I don't understand
glad my buddy told me about this podcast.
Rocky Juarez - comes to mind as someone that was highly touted and never lived up to the potential
The co host is a tool. Ward wasnt even in the orginal tournamet and was a stand in for Green.
So how did everyone know a guy who wasnt even in the tournament was going to win it
Ward lost to kovalev 1st fight that shit was a robbery and the rematch dude finished him with 3 lowblows
He asked who was the new Jeff Lacy I would say it was James Kirkland he was a beast with Ann Wolfe and he left her a started getting his snot box rocked went back to her for one fight won again and then left her again and lost again and then you never heard of him again!
And I remember America was even broadcasting the fight live i had tk watch that paulie shev fight on a uk stream on my computer
Most Overrated - Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Harry Greb, Marvin Hagler, Floyd Mayweather and Canelo Alvarez
When Floyd became "money may", he became the most overrated and calculated fighter ever
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Calculated is the perfect way to describe his career. Not the best , but definitely the smartest.
julio c chavez sr. most over rated boxer in boxing history
Jeff lacy was unbeatable in the game Fight Night, that’s how you know ppl thought he was going to be the next big thing.
Lesser was never the same after calzaghe and a great fight that was
Calzaghe fought nobody. He could've fought Froch, Steve Collins, Dariusz Michalczewski, he could've fought Virgil Hill and came to America and fought earlier. He beat an OLD MAN Roy Jones and BHop. He could've came to America a few years earlier and fought Roy. He wanted no problems with great fighters.
Buddy having Paulie get in a low stance makes noo sense.. Paulie had real quick feet a range changer his defense was great because of those feet.. like what he said being up against the ropes and in the corner there’s no where to run or move so you have to get low and shrink the targets to the opponent