It’s all alpha. The game, guilds, people, skills. The best thing we get to see how it all changes. The size of the map will change. I cannot wait to see how it changes
A larger map would be really interesting because it would play out like irl scythians/mongols/zerg hordes forcing nodes to spread out and colonize new regions.
Ive decided i have an arch nemesis bc he looted my ash pile during an event. I walked up as he finished looting me and he ran off. I marked him and he's attack on sight now
reminder that all nodes in phase 1 are scientific nodes. in phase 2, we will get to experience economic nodes where mayor is selected by blind bid auction. Anyone with enough coin will be mayor.
@@TheDemonThorn oh absolutely, but its possible to beat them if your guild is focused entirely on economy while the other is spread out more. Outside Forces could also help with cash injections for some kind of benefit. Fighting Nodes, once implemented, can have similar situations.
ive had no bad run ins with pirates its the small guilds that piss me off like a lv 25 in the dynasty guild pulling mobs off lv 13s in a mob lv 15 spot and not letting anyone farm... stuff like that happens alot more then pirates picking a fight for no reason
You've got it wrong - I was an inside man on the EPH thing and EPH was being toxic AF by spawn camping people. Sure you can play the game that way, but we as a server and chose to absolutely wipe them off the map to the point they all dropped guild because they couldn't move around the server without being destroyed. So then they started to abuse the war scroll bug, so we wiped them off the map again. This time since wars weren't permanent we taught them that lesson again and then let it go.
Actually you can't play that way if you want. The spawn protection systems were known to not be working and Steven specifically posted telling people to not spawn camp during that time. I am extremely disappointed that Steven is not punishing them for spitting in his face. Had he not posted his comment, I would not call for discipline. He did post though and EPH was fully aware. I am extremely proud of the way we Vyra players responded though!! Street justice baby!!
Pretty sure node sieges will have a cap to participants (iirc was 250 v 250, maybe 500 v 500 at most) if it's like castle sieges. So having 2k+ people will still be an advantage (more talent and ressources to pull from), but a smaller, elite team can still crush.
Remember, Steven has said that citizenship is ranked above guild. Pirate will not be able to have 2000+ members in one node, therefore a node war will be guild members fighting other guild members. Also, it is castle sieges that will be 500 vs 500. Node wars affect the whole server.
The hive-mind mentality is off the charts compared to when I started mmo's. But like Coconut said, just wait for the day when guilds start fighting over trees. Sounds crazy now...
@@onewingedangelo1611 that's funny because last time I jumped in the vyra discord I saw 80 people from 3 different guilds grouping up to fight them and no to quote what one of them said on reddit "we are gonna come to the server and everyone's gonna be our bitchs" so fuck em
Btw, Steven said on Thor's stream interview their aim is for 10K CCU, but their server meshing can go much higher. If they get servers to where it can do 50K CCU or beyond, a guild like Thor's is just another superpower in a sea of superpowers. There is no way of preventing people from being coerced to work with each other. Thor is just an example of things to come. In EVE most of the PVErs were inside larger PVP alliances cause the guys fighting to keep their "borders safe" made the game safer for them to grind in without being ganked on by enemy players. It's just human nature in the end. That's emergent social gameplay.
Good point about the current mechanics dictatoring the pvp levels. I just hope that later on the game doesn't just rely on those macro-level systems (node wars, seiges, vassals etc) to drive all the pvp. Wpvp is the best pvp there is. (Caravans, I know.. but still).
One thing with multiple guild working together vs one single large guild is that the multi-guilds have a much higher chance of breaking up, and causing more 'content' to interact with. 1 Giant guild has the risk of killing the server if it break up and/or it take over everything. I think that's the main difference, imo.
The drama was only lagging because people were busy leveling. The drama was guaranteed to happen after certain groups reached level cap and got gear. I know I love it and I bet everything that Steven is loving it as well :) As for the "misunderstanding" on Vyra (where I reside) the real issue wasn't about the perceived exploit. The real drama and hate of EPH has been a direct result of EPH behavior, starting with their blatant spawn camping during said war. It was was not originally all of Vrya vs EPH. It became that because they have behaved like the Dbags their reputation suggested they were. Not all of them, of course. I mean Doc Burns is confusingly part of EPH, but Alec and his cronies have 100% lived up to their dbag rep. We don't mind them coming over though. It's been great fun watching them lose 20 wars a day :) Lots of questions were posed way back when about whether a sweaty gankbot guild would be able to run or ruin a server. Vyra is proving that The Community has the means to do something about them. Will they have influence? Of course they will. They sure as hell won't be dominating or controlling it though. It's the game playing out as intended - Reputation matters, especially guild reputation. Politics matter. Drama is intended. Frequent war is intended. ALLL of the goodness that we have been waiting for. Just another example of Intrepid delivering on their intent/promises ;)
I think I'd actually like guilds to be same-race only. Imagine the dominant guild on the server, a powerful guild of Empyreans.. vs a rag tag alliance forming the resistance. Or even being vassaled by a huge Orc guild, like living in the Shire after losing LotR. Sounds extreme but I don't see much downside tbh
I'll summarize this a lot quicker than else on this video lol. Pretty much the current meta is a pacifist work together meta. As things get added into the game for phase 2 the meta will switch to becoming a little more hostile in nature lol.
That's node sieges: "After a node is destroyed, the footprint of the node will enter a ruined state and will become an open PvP zone for a number of days equal to the node's level. These ruins consist of a debris field of treasures that are lootable by certain players"
Pirates are not a guild, they are a well organised zerg. For sake of player experience on any servers they infect with their drones I hope "pirates" get bored of their unity very quickly.
Vyra isn't really RP. Take for instance Genesis 1 of the largest guilds on the server; I belong to Genesis and I'm not an RPer, I haven't met an RPer in the guild. The only RPers I've seen are Balon Talon Trading (Loreforged's guild) and they're not all RPers.
Good video. Time for constructive criticism. You elaborated nicely on comments, but at times it almost became rambling. You have good insight and good knowledge of current events. You show both sides of the situation. Lay off the elaboration on the ideas of what nodes are going to do. Because it comes off as a weird attempt at manipulation. I enjoyed the video. I cannot wait for more but these are just constructive criticisms. Ps. Wish Vyra had this commentary
Don’t you think this system will suffer from the same thing as new world where massive gold farming guilds will dominate the nodes or do they have a way to deter that ?
Seeing how each server evolves after release. Steven doesn't want to shut down servers, but I can see where toxicity can literally drive away the player base until it is a ghost town. I think Intrepid needs to take a page from POE and start a set of fresh servers every 6 months. Not many, just a few, and let people find their comfort zone.
@@KinGAtash Definitely is. Has way more node progress than the other servers. And way less players getting wiped because they didn't exploit their way through phase 1.
smaller guilds are not meant to compete with larger guilds. This is a game that will have huge wars and seiges. Smaller guilds will need to create alliances.
@@Crapefont So you zerg or lose? That's not how the game is supposed to be played. Steven said in many interviews there is supposed to be benefits to going with small guilds and right now they just don't exist making it impossible to play against large zergs.
Plus it is going to be a lot of fun for smaller guilds to work together to accomplish something difficult. Politics is going to be a big part of what makes this game fun
If you think Pirates are big now keep in mind that these are just the players that BOUGHT ALPHA for silly money over a year plus before launch. When the entry point is 15$ they are going to totally control one server and perhaps MORE then one with god knows how many tens of thousands of players. 100,000 players is a LOW END guess. There are almost 30,000 people watching him across 2 platforms play a Mage in WoW right now for christssake!
Don't give Narc more of a platform. . . The guy is mean-spirited, and can't accept constructive criticism. A year or so ago he was using the R (people with disabilities) slur repeatedly in his videos and got called out for it by a viewer. He then proceeded to make an entire video belittling the person that called him out. And then just kept dropping the R. Completely insensitive, and I don't know how the Ashes developers didn't say anything about it since he attacked the viewer based on stuff they said in the Ashes forums. Anyway yeah -- good vid but hate it when people reference and legitimize Narc.
@mikoyb.1291 Because they have been teasing this shit with huge promises since 5 years ago and the result is not that good. If you are making a game, just release it at least in beta. I hate the early access funding model.
Sorry for the Reupload. I had some rendering issues and it was bugging me. It's much better now so let me know what you think!
It’s all alpha. The game, guilds, people, skills. The best thing we get to see how it all changes. The size of the map will change. I cannot wait to see how it changes
as much as I want big world. I think they will reduce the size of map.
A larger map would be really interesting because it would play out like irl scythians/mongols/zerg hordes forcing nodes to spread out and colonize new regions.
Great vid. Real quality. Liked the point about a system as small as looting an ash pile can have such significant behavioural effects.
Ive decided i have an arch nemesis bc he looted my ash pile during an event. I walked up as he finished looting me and he ran off. I marked him and he's attack on sight now
reminder that all nodes in phase 1 are scientific nodes. in phase 2, we will get to experience economic nodes where mayor is selected by blind bid auction. Anyone with enough coin will be mayor.
Which is like a popularity vote with extra steps. Everyone just gives all their gold to guild leader
@@TheDemonThorn oh absolutely, but its possible to beat them if your guild is focused entirely on economy while the other is spread out more. Outside Forces could also help with cash injections for some kind of benefit. Fighting Nodes, once implemented, can have similar situations.
I immediately looked for this when he said "Economic Node"
ive had no bad run ins with pirates its the small guilds that piss me off like a lv 25 in the dynasty guild pulling mobs off lv 13s in a mob lv 15 spot and not letting anyone farm... stuff like that happens alot more then pirates picking a fight for no reason
ebon lore actually seems to be the worst, but yeah
@@solido888 ill keep an eye out this weekend for them ty
You’re take reminds me of the series Arcane. Looking from everyone’s perspective instead of just pointing the finger saying bad guy.
I'll have to check it out!
@ great show highly recommend
Arcane is probably the best show of the decade, highly recommended
@@happiness7808 agreed
@@happiness7808 First season yes. Second is good but not nearly as good as S01.
You've got it wrong - I was an inside man on the EPH thing and EPH was being toxic AF by spawn camping people. Sure you can play the game that way, but we as a server and chose to absolutely wipe them off the map to the point they all dropped guild because they couldn't move around the server without being destroyed. So then they started to abuse the war scroll bug, so we wiped them off the map again. This time since wars weren't permanent we taught them that lesson again and then let it go.
I'm just going off the videos that were posted last week
Who's the "we"?
Actually you can't play that way if you want. The spawn protection systems were known to not be working and Steven specifically posted telling people to not spawn camp during that time. I am extremely disappointed that Steven is not punishing them for spitting in his face. Had he not posted his comment, I would not call for discipline. He did post though and EPH was fully aware. I am extremely proud of the way we Vyra players responded though!! Street justice baby!!
fascinating stuff. thank you for posting😄
Great insights into the testing withe the ashpile behavior etc
The size of AP isnt gonna matter as much when the full map is out.
Oh absolutely. I think the complaints are a little overblown considering where we are.
It will matter less than now but numbers are numbers especially when leveling - IMO
Pretty sure node sieges will have a cap to participants (iirc was 250 v 250, maybe 500 v 500 at most) if it's like castle sieges. So having 2k+ people will still be an advantage (more talent and ressources to pull from), but a smaller, elite team can still crush.
absolutely they will. Having more people is always an advantage.
Remember, Steven has said that citizenship is ranked above guild. Pirate will not be able to have 2000+ members in one node, therefore a node war will be guild members fighting other guild members. Also, it is castle sieges that will be 500 vs 500. Node wars affect the whole server.
Much like in real life, peace is only as you are able to defend your claim.
The hive-mind mentality is off the charts compared to when I started mmo's. But like Coconut said, just wait for the day when guilds start fighting over trees. Sounds crazy now...
EPH is already on vyra, everyone is teaming up against their terrorist playstyle and putting them in their place
They are literally being welcomed and friendly with by the Vyra discord members. Let the topic die dude that shit is over
@@onewingedangelo1611 that's funny because last time I jumped in the vyra discord I saw 80 people from 3 different guilds grouping up to fight them and no to quote what one of them said on reddit "we are gonna come to the server and everyone's gonna be our bitchs" so fuck em
@onewingedangelo1611 topic can die. But them being dick heads will remain in my mind
Btw, Steven said on Thor's stream interview their aim is for 10K CCU, but their server meshing can go much higher. If they get servers to where it can do 50K CCU or beyond, a guild like Thor's is just another superpower in a sea of superpowers. There is no way of preventing people from being coerced to work with each other. Thor is just an example of things to come. In EVE most of the PVErs were inside larger PVP alliances cause the guys fighting to keep their "borders safe" made the game safer for them to grind in without being ganked on by enemy players. It's just human nature in the end. That's emergent social gameplay.
Doesn’t seem like the game is really built for that, I’d be shocked
Great video, I think those four guilds that you spoke to should maybe just turn against pirates: it’s essentially the same outcome
I feel like a lot of this was figured out 25 years ago in UO...
Lucky that this is only one zone coz if the game is ready and there are 2 3 major guilds they still have enough place to control whole zone
Very large guild on Vyrra to. If they think it's going to be easier going to Vyrra to fight or take over they going to be surely disappointed.
Good point about the current mechanics dictatoring the pvp levels. I just hope that later on the game doesn't just rely on those macro-level systems (node wars, seiges, vassals etc) to drive all the pvp.
Wpvp is the best pvp there is.
(Caravans, I know.. but still).
One thing with multiple guild working together vs one single large guild is that the multi-guilds have a much higher chance of breaking up, and causing more 'content' to interact with. 1 Giant guild has the risk of killing the server if it break up and/or it take over everything. I think that's the main difference, imo.
@@Zn0nimus absolutely, and that just comes down to who is more effective...the intent is still the same imo tho
@isth3reno1else that's true.
The drama was only lagging because people were busy leveling. The drama was guaranteed to happen after certain groups reached level cap and got gear. I know I love it and I bet everything that Steven is loving it as well :) As for the "misunderstanding" on Vyra (where I reside) the real issue wasn't about the perceived exploit. The real drama and hate of EPH has been a direct result of EPH behavior, starting with their blatant spawn camping during said war. It was was not originally all of Vrya vs EPH. It became that because they have behaved like the Dbags their reputation suggested they were. Not all of them, of course. I mean Doc Burns is confusingly part of EPH, but Alec and his cronies have 100% lived up to their dbag rep. We don't mind them coming over though. It's been great fun watching them lose 20 wars a day :) Lots of questions were posed way back when about whether a sweaty gankbot guild would be able to run or ruin a server. Vyra is proving that The Community has the means to do something about them. Will they have influence? Of course they will. They sure as hell won't be dominating or controlling it though. It's the game playing out as intended - Reputation matters, especially guild reputation. Politics matter. Drama is intended. Frequent war is intended. ALLL of the goodness that we have been waiting for. Just another example of Intrepid delivering on their intent/promises ;)
Diplomatically with swords and spells.
I think I'd actually like guilds to be same-race only. Imagine the dominant guild on the server, a powerful guild of Empyreans.. vs a rag tag alliance forming the resistance.
Or even being vassaled by a huge Orc guild, like living in the Shire after losing LotR.
Sounds extreme but I don't see much downside tbh
Damb I need to catch up on the tea 😂
We have seen plenty of Node wars on the Castus server, so not sure where you are getting that information from.
I'll summarize this a lot quicker than else on this video lol. Pretty much the current meta is a pacifist work together meta. As things get added into the game for phase 2 the meta will switch to becoming a little more hostile in nature lol.
Imagine being level 15 trying to defend your node against level 25's in legendary gear.
Node wars aren't designed to take nodes to level 0 and become rubel.
That's node sieges:
"After a node is destroyed, the footprint of the node will enter a ruined state and will become an open PvP zone for a number of days equal to the node's level. These ruins consist of a debris field of treasures that are lootable by certain players"
Pirates are not a guild, they are a well organised zerg. For sake of player experience on any servers they infect with their drones I hope "pirates" get bored of their unity very quickly.
Wait…. I just watched a video saying Eph is done for lol no guild leader because he cheated on his wife for an E-Girl 👀
Hey im in the vid, you can only see my name though lol.
Vyra isn't really RP. Take for instance Genesis 1 of the largest guilds on the server; I belong to Genesis and I'm not an RPer, I haven't met an RPer in the guild. The only RPers I've seen are Balon Talon Trading (Loreforged's guild) and they're not all RPers.
I've heard it called the rp server by jamie so I called it the rp server. I'm sure not everyone is rping
Sucks that non RPers ruin RP servers :(
I watched the whole video, all excited to talk shit, and then you said not to talk shit at the end. Ruining my fun, Reno smh
Perfect
any guild of that size has bad actors though, you said it as my typing this comment
They absolutely do. I just haven't experienced that yet from them is all
Good video. Time for constructive criticism. You elaborated nicely on comments, but at times it almost became rambling. You have good insight and good knowledge of current events. You show both sides of the situation. Lay off the elaboration on the ideas of what nodes are going to do. Because it comes off as a weird attempt at manipulation. I enjoyed the video. I cannot wait for more but these are just constructive criticisms.
Ps. Wish Vyra had this commentary
An attempt at manipulation where I provide two examples of what can happen? Not sure I get that
12:20 this is appeasement and has famously always worked. Pirates will slowly zerg node by node
It doesn't work vs groups already looking for fights in games, but they'll expand for sure
Don’t you think this system will suffer from the same thing as new world where massive gold farming guilds will dominate the nodes or do they have a way to deter that ?
One of the deterrents is node sieges. Up to the players to decide who is king and who isn't.
EPH is just content for pvpers, nothing more nothing less
It's funny because none of this matters, all this will be wiped before release.
Player memory doesn't wipe
Im not gana play against a zerg. Its what ruins games.
Its ok I think players are on the spectrum too 😜
Seeing how each server evolves after release. Steven doesn't want to shut down servers, but I can see where toxicity can literally drive away the player base until it is a ghost town.
I think Intrepid needs to take a page from POE and start a set of fresh servers every 6 months. Not many, just a few, and let people find their comfort zone.
I think a lot of things get resolved in this game in a way they don't get resolved in others, but a thumb on the pulse for that would be good
ya me and my bud were pvping each other he killed me and then next i killed him and it flagged me red scared the crap out of me lol
just leave whatever server pirates are in and u will be fine lol
Lyneth is the best server though
@solido888 no it's not 😂
@@KinGAtash Definitely is. Has way more node progress than the other servers. And way less players getting wiped because they didn't exploit their way through phase 1.
@@KinGAtash 😂
When player transfers come on line I am sure many people will, for now it's too much added extra work IMO
Just cheat the system by putting on low level gear and dying.
if you're corrupted, you cannot change your gear.
Narc is a narcissist.
I’ve never seen a UA-camr who wasn’t
They need to do something about how Zerg Guilds have way too much power right now. It makes it impossible for a smaller guild to be able to compete
smaller guilds are not meant to compete with larger guilds. This is a game that will have huge wars and seiges. Smaller guilds will need to create alliances.
@@Crapefont So you zerg or lose? That's not how the game is supposed to be played. Steven said in many interviews there is supposed to be benefits to going with small guilds and right now they just don't exist making it impossible to play against large zergs.
It's funny how a big streamer guild like copium kittens cries about other "zerg" guilds
@@onewingedangelo1611 This is a mmo, you dont really win or lose. You have fun. But no small guild will win any castle seige on any server.
Plus it is going to be a lot of fun for smaller guilds to work together to accomplish something difficult. Politics is going to be a big part of what makes this game fun
If you think Pirates are big now keep in mind that these are just the players that BOUGHT ALPHA for silly money over a year plus before launch. When the entry point is 15$ they are going to totally control one server and perhaps MORE then one with god knows how many tens of thousands of players. 100,000 players is a LOW END guess. There are almost 30,000 people watching him across 2 platforms play a Mage in WoW right now for christssake!
Yep if they want to they can basically have their own private server. If that's what players want to do that's their choice.
That’s kinda sad and I hope the devs put a stop to it, totally ruins the game at that point
Actual pirates have 2000 level 1 players
Don't give Narc more of a platform. . . The guy is mean-spirited, and can't accept constructive criticism. A year or so ago he was using the R (people with disabilities) slur repeatedly in his videos and got called out for it by a viewer. He then proceeded to make an entire video belittling the person that called him out. And then just kept dropping the R. Completely insensitive, and I don't know how the Ashes developers didn't say anything about it since he attacked the viewer based on stuff they said in the Ashes forums. Anyway yeah -- good vid but hate it when people reference and legitimize Narc.
Thats ri tar did
You know what else is mean spirited? Cancel culture.
Isn’t it exhausting to constantly be offended by literally everything?
Shut up retard
He farming him for views.
Narcs foolishness is making him money.
Good for him
This game sucks.
Why?
Mad cause bad
@mikoyb.1291 Because they have been teasing this shit with huge promises since 5 years ago and the result is not that good. If you are making a game, just release it at least in beta. I hate the early access funding model.
then don't play and move on.