Sarek Of Vulcan Never Confused What He Wanted With The Truth
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2021
- Star Trek The Next Generation s03e23 Sarek
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Jean-Luc Picard: the human who could beat down a Vulcan with logic, a Klingon with attitude, and a Romulan with cunning.
The Picard Trinity!
The only antagonist he never beat on their own terms would be maybe the Ferengi? Not devious enough.
Good thing he had Riker 😁
@@MichaelRobertHart "You may test that assumption at your convenience ."
and Winston Churchill with pomposity.
Picard bet Sarek because Sarek was in a state of mental deterioration. If Sarek had been fully sane, Picard would have been no match.
In my opinion this scene is even more heartbreaking when you realize that what Sarek is going through is basically the Vulcan equivalent of dementia. With the biggest difference being it’s a lot more rare
This is one of my favorite and most touching episodes. My father has Alzheimer's and it's painful to watch at times.
@@WorgenGrrl I’m incredibly sorry you have to go through that. My thoughts are with your family
The first scene is when _Sarek_ comes to the realization that he's suffering from Vulcan dementia, and Mark Lenard performed beautifully.
Alzheimer's you mean Sarek has officially gone cuckoo.
@@geomodelrailroader Quite a thoughtful comment. Well done.
No spaceships, no shooting, no special effects. Just two actors performing a well written scene. This is what Star Trek should be like.
That's what a good sci-fi is if you ask me. Sure the space ships and the pew pew'ing is cool but the heart of a science fiction that makes it stand apart from a general fantasy is that it is a story about us. Who we were, who we are, who we may yet be, like Q says it's not about the tedium of exploring 'space problem' but in exploration of existence.
If Only this Trek makes a Comeback soon 🙏
@@mistermeow527 this is from an episode written by Brannon Braga, a writer who basically writes episodes that are almost all about space problems.
Good writing requires intelligence and an ability to put yourself in the role of the well written characters, an art that has largely been sacrificed for more and more shitty CGI.
Unfortunately, this kind of thing is too niche for modern audiences. At least that's what the networks believe.
"You exaggerate, captain, I recall only one tear."
I always loved that line. Vulcans are awesome.
Picard: THERE... WERE... FOUR... TEARS
I know. That part killed me.😭😭😭
"You exaggerate Captain, there was only one tear".
"No! There were FOUR tears!"
"How many tears did you see?"
"There..are...FOUR....tears!".
We might see this if there's ever an episode written by Garak.
Well done!!
The look of misery on Picard's face as Sarek is shouting "Illogical! Illogical!" is a punch to the gut.
As is the look on his face at the end of that shot. He knew in that moment what he was doing was "showing emotion" and was unable to reassert the logic.
@@user-og4us6pc4b When Picard saw Sarek in Pt I of " Unification " & Sarek couldn't manage the Vulcan salute without help, he had much the same expression. Heartbreaking.
"Hey Jean-Luc, you can still save my senile husband's dignity. All you have to do is experience a couple of hours of Vulcan Alzheimer's."
He probably woulldn't do it again but I suspect Picard is glad he did it that time.
The real tragedy is that we never really got to see a proper resolution of the whole Spock thing. I wish he'd become a recurring side character.
Hey, Krik died on Vulcan for Spock.
Picard takes no joy in embarassing Sarek here. He is saddened, but Sarek needs to face what is happening. Brilliant.
"I think you *are* affected, sir. Far more than you realize." As brilliant as Sarek is in this scene, that quiet, respectful, gentle offer of help always shakes me to my core.
Yes. Every time I see this scene, I ask myself whether I would react better than Sarek did when my time comes. It nails both the offer of help and the typical 'human' response - trying to seem reasonable then devolving into denial and irrational defensiveness.
As stated on another video, Picard used his ability to summon uneasy background music to prove his point.
That must be why Q liked him so much.
I really wish I had that ability to summon uneasy background music. Imagine asking your boss for a raise and while he considers it, the uneasy background music begins… 🙃
@@Fidi987 careful what you wish for.
wait what, I need to rewatch
Edit: Oh my god
@@Fidi987 No-no, you'll need uneasy background music for when you're considering the raise. That way, you'll have a premonition of danger :▷
Mark Lenard never got the chance to cut loose with this character before. I bet he relished it.
@@YD-uq5fi Did he do that?
Oh wait, you said "Urko," not-- ummm, never mind.
I'll see myself out.
Stellar performance by him in this episode.
Before he died, he asked to be buried with Vulcan ears :')
Darn good actor. He really lived the part. One of the best acts in the whole of Star Trek.
@@mardus_eeyou’re paying for my therapy
When I first saw this episode, I was moved by the power of its story & the acting.
Now that I have lost my Mother to Dementia (and remembering her decline), it strikes me to my core.
I am so sorry.
Sorry for your loss.
My condolences to you for the loss of her and having to go through the long goodbye that is dementia and alzheimers.
I am so sorry for your great loss. Mourning someone is extremely difficult, but mourning someone who is still alive, who can’t remember who they are, who you are, that’s a whole different level of pain, grief, and sadness.. I can only imagine what it must have been like, before the end..
I sure hope your days have gotten better and you’ve become stronger. Stay well, my friend.
Episode is always been a beautiful and yet tragic bitter pill for me. Lost both my parents to Alzheimer's and dementia. It's devastating to see the strength and will character diminish by an illness such as this.
Mark Lenard should have gotten an Emmy for this amazing performance.
I don’t think they had a guest performance category in those days.
Many Star Trek episodes should have won Emmys for best writing, or best acting.
It's illogical for a vulcan to be angry *begins screaming and repeating it*
I recalled my old professor was behaving similarly as well :)
@@LGranthamsHeir Did you mind meld with your professor I suppose that might be a good way to pass tests but to get that kinda drama in your life is a pass in itself
he knows. he's been trying to deny it so that he could complete this last mission but Sarek is quite aware of his deterioration.
Patrick Stewart is an amazing actor. I knew he was good but when he had to endure Sarek’s emotions that was unbelievable.
For a supposedly 'non emotional being', Sarek sure raises his voice a lot.....
Sarek is suffering from the Vulcan's equivalent of dementia. He is no longer in control of his full faculties, sadly.
Yes, that's the point, and he acts it so well. With Picard acting like a Vulcan. Clever juxtaposition. Compliments to the screenwriters for this one.
To say a Vulcan has no emotion is the equivalent of saying an ocean has no water because the water is calm. Vulcans are good at containing emotion while presenting an emotionless front. But, they do have emotion. Very much so.
That's kind of the point...
Absolutely two of Picard's most epic, authoritative lines: "Sarek of Vulcan would never hide from a truth he didn't want to see! Sarek of Vulcan would never confuse what he wanted with the truth!"
Sarek's meltdown is reminiscent of when Kirk totally effed up that killer robot, Nomad...."Analyze! Sterilize! ERROR, ERROR!!"
@@blaineedwards8078 This blows Nomad's scene out of the water because the Picard's counterpart is humanoid, with a face, and his own strengths and an excellent actor playing him.
0:25
For a second, I misheard him and thought he said he was a “magical bean”. I was like, “well ain’t that some shit for a Vulcan to say?”.
BEANS LOTS OF BEANS LOTS OF BEANS LOTS OF BEANS
“ I respect beans.
Doo-de-doo”
All that weight on Sareks shoulders. Picard is one of the toughest and probably only one of the few men to take on the task of even carrying some of that weight. Picard is a good man and friend to Sarek for doing that. It's admirable.
Picard has some balls provoking Sarak like that especially considering the physical strength of a Vulcan.
In these days there was no visible strength differences
As old and frail as Sarek was, I'm not sure how much of a threat he would have posed to Picard had he become violent.
@@johns.8220 I would think an old Vulcan is still stronger than an old human.
Sarek is very old. And Vulcans are strong, but not invincible. Would be a tough wrestling match for Picard, though.
@@MrExasperation do Vulcans have increased strength or was that just jj canon
This episode hits hard. Having an elderly parent with dementia, I realize what is being told here. When a respected parent/adult/leader loses their mental capability. Yes, as described, it is gradual. It is also painful for those whom love the afflicted. To see their personality, emotions, control of themselves... slowly stripped away until they are a mere shell of the person that you love; yet that person is gone. All that is left is an angry body bereft of control, lashing out at whomever is near demanding justice against their cruel fate. It is excruciatingly painful to live through. And if I ever am in such a condition myself, please, someone, just shoot me. I've lived through how much pain someone causes to their family when their mind has gone. I don't want to do that to people that I know I should love yet my mind has forgotten. True horror.
I will take my own l¡fe if I get diagnosed with dementia/altzheimers.
I will not curse my family with that experience.
Nor will i suffer myself an existence without memory, without knowledge, without purpose.
"I'm a magical bean. Present your arguments."
I always loved watching Mark Lenard on screen, what a great actor. And Sarek was such a great character.
Mark Lenard's greatest acting role ever.
NO! THAT'S ILLOGICAL! ILLOGICAL! ILLOGICAL!
I wished they didn't kill his Romulan character in the episode "Balance of Terror"
Would have been nice to see a recurrence in that role.
@@_BLACKSTAR_ I strongly assume that this would have made it impossible for him to play Sarek. In contrast to Jeffrey Combs, who appeared in multiple roles thanks to extensive make up, Lenard couldn't play a vulcan and a romulan at the same time.
So well done, still Vulcan but his strong hidden Vulcan emotions slipping out beyond his control barrier. Perfectly portrayed.
But.....Urko
I love sarek such a great character
ILLOGICAL! ILLOGICAL! ILLOGICAL! ILLogic-
As someone who grew up with TOS, I have a love/hate relationship with this episode and 'Unification.' A part of me wants to assign it to an alternate universe, because this is the worst disease - in my humble opinion - that a Vulcan could get, especially one of Sarek's caliber. It struck me hard when I first saw it, but even more so when I watched it again long after my own Father - who had a first-rate mind - acquired Alzheimer's, became bedridden, and eventually passed away. As many have already said, Mark Lenard 1) should have gotten an award (either for this and/or 'Unification Part 1'; and 2) never really had a chance to 'flesh out' the character of Sarek. I think you could have made an entire series about Sarek alone. Very sad, and a huge loss.
Even now at 50, I love how this show touched on a lot of points. In another bean-isode on this episode, Picard is talking with Data about how the ravages old age still get people, even with all of the technology they have. He asks Data if he still wants to be human, and Data even posits that he may eventually be subject to circuit failure.
Funny thing is that Data asks the age old question: How can someone so smart not see what's before them? Seems humans are not the only beings victimized by pride.
Data was eventually proven right about the circuit failure part. (SPOILER ALERT) They all failed instantaneously when that explosion that he set off in the Scimitar hit him.
@@zagnorch1336 That's funny...even if it's not the same thing...
@@zagnorch1336 There's no way Lamesis is spoilerable in this current year.
@@juergen4ever Hey! Don't you diss my favorite prog group like that! Them's fightin' words, mister!
beanisode :-)
Sarek is a logical bean.
Bean... Being. Made me chuckle
Sadly, this particular bean had been shucked of his hull of logic.
He is a magical bean
The scene with Sarek is upsetting.
Nothing more humiliating to a Vulcan than to lose their emotional control. So sad that Sarek ended up like this.
It reflects in an experience that is all too common in real life, as people's mental faculties degrade due to age and dementia, those around them can only watch as they lose who they are, just like this episode.
Every time I watch this scene it sounds like Sarek says "I am a magical being"
He didn't? I heard it too.
Sarek said, Calmly.
"I'm a magical bean. Present your arguments!"
0:24 The first time I heard it, my ears thought he said "I am a magical being".
Picard is the only Federation captain to stand toe to toe with Sarek or Spock. The first time I saw this scene, my emotions ran off the rails, even more so when Picard and Sarek mind-melded and Picard's own emotions went awry.
Not true. Kirk went toe to toe with Spock on a couple of occasions iirc.
@@timmorris2048 and got his ass whooped didn't he?
@@easygrin1127 lost one, drew one if I recall. Not sure how to call the pon-far fight where Kirk tapped out by "dying" with the assist of McCoy.
:( under all that is a man who loves his family .
Hands down the best episode of season 3. I'm glad this guy is sharing these clips from the show.
Absolute masterpiece of an episode
The mission can be saved, but he needs your beans to do it.
Anyone else find that they relate more and more to Sarek as we get older? I'm talking more mental exhaustion and decreased tolerance for people who would challenge us with few and mediocre supporting arguments. Mark Lenard really showed his acting chops here...mad respect!
As Sarek angrily maintains how it would be illogical to show anger, the look in Picard's eyes in the background, the lighting, the camera work, the music, Sarek using up the last bit of air in his lungs...
The incredible tension and release throughout this episode easily puts it in the top five best of the series.
This is the kinda stuff that made Trek
Nowdays something has been lost more flashy action and stuff
that is more or less what i was thinking. forget about flashy action just having the stakes be something simple as one good mans pride and dignaity.
He was a master actor with outstanding skills. Always liked him playing Sarek!
Emptied my first box of tissues on this scene.
Yeah it was hot
The first of many loads blown during this episode I'm sure...👌
Incels
Hmm.
@@bloodyshrapnel2119 🤔
Mark Lenard... as awe-inspiring as Leonard Nimoy
Be tough to do that to someone you idolize.
This is honestly both terrifying and just incredibly sad. Being unable to control your emotions - especially emotions as intense as Vulcan emotions are - must have been a total nightmare for Sarek.
0:38 "it is your hypothesis that I am the cause" Kudos to the proper use of hypothesis instead of 'theory' which the mouth-breathers would have written here.
Whenever I see a Vulcan breakdown, it's pretty heartbreaking. Why? Because I've grown to respect them, due to how strong their commitment is, they manage to beat them selves and so they ended being looked at as perhaps the most wisest species in all of media. To this though, it really brings tears to my eyes. Thank god, Jean-Luc saved Sarrek just in time.
0:00 - 3:05 - As someone who watched his father deal with dementia up until he died because of it, I can honestly say this was one of the bravest and most difficult one-to-one conversations Picard ever went through with an ally or colleague.
Soooo.. Mark Lenard, played a being with telepathic abilities who suffered dementia in his old age that caused people in his vicinity to be mentally harmed. Hmmm.. was it Patrick Stewart that wrote the plot for Logan ? 🤔
I remember watching this part 2:56-3:01 as a youngster and walking around my house yelling "It would be Illogical! ILLOGICAL! ILLOGICAL! Ilogical!!!
One of my great-grandmothers had Alzheimer’s and seeing this reminds me of the way my dad described her in her final years. She wasn’t the same woman he knew. She had lost her adult emotional control and would throw things at the family members she didn’t recognize. Sometimes, she threw...excrement at them. Dad said it was hard to watch her deteriorate. My grandma (her daughter) fears getting the same disease, even though she doesn’t admit it. The writers did a great job portraying dementia, even if it was shown in the form of an alien disease.
2:54
Poor bastard... This would be like their kinds version of dementia or something?
Correct
No vfx, no explosions, no rocks. Just great writing and great actors.
THIS is the PICARD we should have gotten in ST: PICARD - not the weak, bumbling fool. A true disservice to this character.
I hope ST:P:S2 puts him back to this instead of just more woke trek
@@TheHalcyonAnon nah, not allowed to happen. Strong male figures are banned.
We all get old, if our bodies permit and we stay smart.
What is interesting here is the Picard we were given in PICARD is the one Patrick Stewart believed to be most honest. Stewart is aging gracefully and still in control of his faculties. He isn't interested in pretense and living up to the faux ideals and imagery that the immature insist upon for their entertainment. The idea that even the best of us humans cannot be humbled and falter is immature. When a person ages and is no longer capable of the facade of perfection, I bet the fans who insist that perfection be presented to them are the type who shuttle their elderly into homes, out of sight and mind.
Spare me a Picard blustering and hobbling around in a toupe and girdle like Kirk did. Picard was always a man of conscience, unafraid to age with grace. I love that the version of him presented in PICARD is that character and that yes, conscience can come with a steep price, which is why most humans do not live by their conscience and instead choose the easiest path available to them.
@@eme.261 literally no clue what you are on about regarding "faux ideals and imagery that the immature insist upon for their entertainment."
- thats exactly what shows like STD and STP are doing - immature emotionality which manifests as irrational emotional outbursts and lack of logical and mature thinking abilities - a true opposite of what is shown here.
STTNG PICARD was a man of deep convictions, logic and putting others ahead of emotionality and self.
Many have commented they think Sarek at 0:24 calls himself a "logical bean." Most likely what our generous host calls himself when asked a math question.
The acting quality here is at the highest level.
I'm a magical being, present your argument
ILLOGICAL! ILLOGICAL! ILLOGICAL! Sounds like a fuming computer Kirk derailed on a weird planet decades ago...
Also reminds me of the average heart-closed Spock-groupie internet rager hiding behind a fancy idea of itellectualism, hah.
woaw, what a masterpiece of acting and storytelling
Reminds me of my grans final years, all her life she'd a proud deep mind like a steel trap then suddenly madness and horror as her brain rotted.
This is difficult to watch. The look on picards face at 3:02 remind me of my dad's when his fears were confirmed when she got lost walking to our house. Were you're right but you've give anything not to be.
I think every up-and-coming actor in Hollywood should be made to study this episode in its entirety and re-enact it with a fellow classmate before they're allowed anywhere near a movie camera. The nuances of the actors and their characters, the body language, the words, the way in which they act out this scene, all wonderful and pure pleasure.
Talk about being emotionally compromised
this episode really shows and scene in particular really shows how intense epic and dramatic this show could get without any guns balazing and explotions or life death stakes or villians.
"i saw the tears" "you exaggerate captain, there was only one tear"
reminds of that judge judy case. "there was no ear piece in there maam" gottem
I almost expected him to reply: "I had something in my eye." at that point. 😄
One of my favourite episodes
You can see that Sarek at first is seemingly getting angry at Picard but the more the scene goes on, the more you realize that Sarek is angry, notices that he is angry and becomes even more furious that he has become angry which makes him spiral down into more anger.
Mark Lenard is just fantastic.
I missed mark Leonard he was excellent actor.
Yes. Mark Lenard was excellent in all of his roles. He portrayed a Vulcan, a Romulan, and a Klingon in the Star Trek Universe.
HE'S A LOGICAL BEAN!
I like your profile picture.
@@madcat789 Thanks, but your username is giving me flashbacks to bad controllers.
If his wife had wanted him to end his career with dignity, she should have convinced him to retire before his condition became a significant impediment to his ability. This situation could have very well been avoided that way, but Sarek wasn't the only one acting illogically.
Tell an ancient Vulcan not to do something he wants to do, that he believes that only he can do? Tall order.
@@hagamapama Very true, but while a difficult proposition, it was the logical course of action.
1:54 **tense bg music** "what happened?" "i saw you crying." "i do not cry." "i was there, i saw the tears." 😂 lmao
So this is what Vulcan dementia looks like
Oh wow recent upload, nice
I am an emotional *bean*
It's so sad to see how he tries keeping his composure.
2:53 If this was aired today, it would 110% go memetic.
DEEP.
This episode as well as both those of "Reunification" are my personal favorites!
Yanno, for being so haunted and tormented, he showed great restraint. He could have really hurt picard if he went berserk.
Thank you
2:56 - When you see your friend has put the TP on the roll the wrong way
Ligariens: where's our dear friend Sarek?? Picard: he ate some ill prepared beans and later his ass exploded.
Yes it WOULD be illogical when you are PISSED OFF!!
Lol XD
Pickard was testing him here
He wanted to see how much emotion he could get out of Sarick
There never should have been a tone shift in Sarick's voice, let alone the emotion seeping through during the argument
One of the most beautifulestest scenes I have ever seen.!
Lady Perrin is quite a logical woman, and a wonderful wife to Ambassador Sarek.
Great acting. Notice he didn't look at him in the eye when he mentioned the word see
So much better than current Star Trek.
Such great acting and episode.
"I'm a magical bean, present your arguments"
Did they ever try a three way mind meld? imagine the power of three minds as one! what's the limit on number of melders? what could a "hive of vulcans" achieve?
I'M ASKING THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL ARE AFRAID TO ASK!!!!!
2:56 Major Grin brought me here.
Sarek's acting is superb.
2:53 i think mr sarek has just short circuited
I don’t know who would've been more intimidating to work with... the entire TNG crew... or Mark Lenard....
What is this thing with beans at the end of these videos?
If the Ligarans are so temperamental that everything rests on Sarek, his role wouldn't be over once the treaty was signed. He'd still be needed for treaty disputes, at least initially.
Alternate: the meat & potato negotiations and details were already hashed out by Federation & Ligaran diplomats. Sarek was largely a figurehead. This mission was largely a grandstanding paper-signing affair with the Ligaran leaders. But they're the ones difficult to work with, hence Sarek's involvement. It could still all go wrong at the finish line, without him.
Sarek at 0:24 - I'm a magical bean.
LOTSA BEANS, LOTSA BEANS, LOTSA BEANS!