It might have been your Urban Meyer who said this, but I do remember someone in College Football saying recently, “The four-letter acronym that controls College Football now is not the NCAA, it’s ESPN.”
I'm really excited about seeing TWO JG8 videos a week instead of just one per week! More JaguarGator content is a win-win for all of us! I was wondering something. Is there any audio of the Michigan radio call of the 2007 Appalachian State upset over Michigan? I wonder how their announcers called that Corey Lynch blocked field goal at the end!
Ah SMU. The college that paid it's players so well that when Eric Dickerson was drafted by the Rams the joke was that he got a paycut to play in the NFL.
SMU got screwed over big time because they were winning and posted off UT who was also paying their players. All college players have always been paid to play. Why pick on a small church school and steal their brief moment of glory because they are better than you and embarrassing you?
Making them sympathetic would have been, counterproductive, (at best), the same reason why any biography of Bobby Bowden, "forgets," to bring up, how, he, was, a million times worse, but, had teams that, won, and, the worst cheater of all, Barry Switzer, only went down, because, it became too, shameless/brazen, to ignore.
@@matthewdaley746 Wasn't the death penalty for SMU a much more attractive subject anyway? I mean, they'd probably say "Who cares about how they got screwed by NBC out of the Fiesta Bowl?", not to mention they would likely not want to throw NBC under the bus because it would expose how the networks make or didn't make business at the time.
@@matthewdaley746 How did Bowden cheat? I never heard anything about it, so he did a great job of covering it up the whole time. And it's not because the media ignored cheating, since everybody knew Switzer was a cheat even back in the '70s. If anything the Canes seemed like far worse cheaters to me than FSU in the Bowden era. There's that Steve Spurrier line about FSU being "free shoes university" but he took shots at everybody and nothing ever came of it.
Damn, SMU got screwed two years in a row. 11-0-1 with no share of the national championship in 1982. Then hosed out of a Jan 2nd bowl spot. Great Video.
It gets, better, the team that, won, The, National Championship, Penn State, had a, loss, ironically, they never got, The, Death Penalty, despite, deserving it far, more, what a mess.
@@matthewdaley746 As despicable as what went on at Penn State, the ncaa isn't equipped or qualified to be giving out punishment for legal infractions. They can punish a legal infraction that is also a ncaa violation ie. Drug use, but beyond that and expecially when felony charges are likely, that is why the justice department exists. They are however completely qualified and expected to deal with an athletic department blatantly cheating in the ways SMU was.
And the death penalty came from recruiting classes including the one that produced this team. College football was never clean. Check out the Pony Excess 30 for 30, great source.
Because of something that happened 40 years ago??? No. It should be blown up because even the players have finally figured out that non-playoff bowl games are literally meaningless and there are also far too many of them.
Life was goofy back then because there wasn’t a formula for making bowl games. Even today bowl selections suck outside of the CFP. If you don’t travel well and get good ratings, then you will get stuck in bad bowls regardless of record
In some ways the selection process is worse because every bowl is "Pac-12 #4 vs. Mountain West #2" or "SEC #5 vs. ACC #4" and match-ups can look samey from year to year, and a lot of really good Group of 5 teams get left out having to play other G5 teams. On the other, I think it's WAY easier for top-tier mid-majors to get into major bowls. The idea of Western Michigan or Northern Illinois or Cincinnati or Boise State or Memphis playing in a Big Four-level bowl game was unthinkable in 1984 (I know Boise was 1-AA then, but you get the picture). I still want to see Appalachian State get a chance at even a mid-level P5 team in a bowl instead of having to play a MAC team every year, but the process is better.
Pitt was less than 10 years removed from a national title and the former home of major stars like Tony Dorsett and Dan Marino. Maybe they weren't a juggernaut but they were a bigger deal then than they are now.
College football before 2015: There's no way there will ever be a playoff!!! College football now: The playoff MUST be expanded even though the semifinal games have sucked for years!!!
It’s interesting to contemplate what NBC and the Fiesta Bowl would’ve done if the situation had been reversed, with SMU in the Cotton and Texas courting a Fiesta bid. I suspect Texas would have played Ohio State on January 2 in Tempe, with Pitt settling for El Paso.
Seriously, why couldn’t the Fiesta Bowl just take the better team and move out of the Cotton Bowl’s time slot. That would be a win-win for the network and the state of Texas.
Idea for you in the topic of bowl oddities, of course this really sticks out to me as I was in the Purdue band at the time, but Purdue went to the Sun Bowl my freshman year in 2001, made the return trip (and actually won! Ironically 34-24 over Washington after losing by the same score to them 2 years prior in the Rose Bowl) in 2002. Then after a trip to what ended up being a thrilling Capital One bowl in 2003 (actually 1/1/2004, down 24-0 vs Georgia, came back and forced overtime), it came time to find out where we were going for our bowl game in 2004 after starting 5-0 behind early Heisman favorite Kyle Orton then finishing 7-4… as you can probably guess the destination was again El Paso and the Sun Bowl. At least I was old enough to drink by that trip! Wonder if any other schools have gone to the same bowl 3/4 years? Thanks for your great content!!
@@artieboyd1257 If Nebraska hadn't gone for the, win, against Miami, this is all moot, one of the greatest, Dynasties, in the history of the sport, possibly, never, gets a chance to, ever, happen, and, Tom Osborne's career trajectory is far different.
Two years later they would be banned two seasons from playing in Bowl Game, followed by the infamous death penalty after those two seasons of bowl bans.
Meanwhile, Bobby Bowden, was, never, punished, at all, and, Barry Switzer got removed far more, for, the brazen nature of his offenses, than, the offenses, themselves, pathetic, it truly, was.
@@matthewdaley746 I was watching the documentary again from 2010s ESPN 30 for 30. One term that was brought up a couple of times which is true about this whole thing was Selective Enforcement.
@@vdubproductions2646 Yeah, cheating isn't the problem, cheating at a program that isn't, Too, Big, To, Fail, is the problem, this is a scourge, that shall remain, forever, no question about it.
@@vdubproductions2646 Bobby Bowden smugly admitted he couldn't police his players all of the time, so, he wouldn't police them any of the time, and, Barry Switzer dared, The, NCAA, to react, both, terrible in their own way, quite, the incorrigible pair.
Another controversy: I personally feel Auburn should have been national champion after winning the Sugar Bowl while Nebraska and Texas lost ahead of them.
Not, even being the best team in their own state, meant, they frequently got stepped over, and, when they finally did, win, it, they, (probably), broke the rules, anyway, terrible.
Fast forward to the 90s and Kansas St would feel their pain. Imagine winning 11 games a year. 5 out of 6 years and getting no major bowl. 98 being probably the worse.
@@charismatic9904 IMO, if Kansas State had won the Big 12 title game and had STILL not gotten a major bowl, I would agree with you there... One question, though: which major bowl game would Kansas State have gone to in 1998 (and one could make a case they deserved to do so), if they had been selected for one?
@@Unknown-bq9id I say the orange bowl. I mean you could replace Ohio state...I would say replace Syracuse who were 8-4 but they were big east champs. (And orange was obligated to take them) OSU didn't win their conference nor did they have to play in a conf title game.
USF alum here. That was some odd scheduling and I'm not sure who set that game time. Too bad my Bulls, ranked 20th at the time, took an upset loss to a bad Memphis team. As for SMU, though, NBC was dead-ass wrong. Pitt and Ohio State had no business being in that spot ahead of that SMU team. I hate when politics get involved.
8:01 I will actually defend ESPN's current decision to air women's basketball against the Super Bowl, because what else is ESPN supposed to do? Anyone planning to watch the Super Bowl isn't going to switch over to ESPN for ANYTHING else, so by your logic, they might as well shut down not air anything at all. Better to air something that the few people who aren't interested in football at all - and yes, those people DO exist - might actually tune into instead.
One more suggestion, not sure you could make a video about this but as a Purdue guy I’ve never forgotten the 2000 Outback Bowl. The Boilers went up 25-0. They scored 4 touchdowns but after missing the first extra point Coach stiller stupidly chased points, missed 2 two point conversion attempts, and of course Georgia ended up tying the game at 25 and winning in overtime in what was billed as the first major sporting event of the new millennium (although many state that the new millennium technically began in 2001). Of note in this game is that the Purdue kicked appeared to make a field goal in regulation that was called no good! I don’t know that I’ve ever seen that happen, and since the game went to overtime this potentially cost Purdue the game. Here’s a link to the game and the field goal in question is around 1:49:00. I don’t see how that wasn’t good. I believe there was talk of the official being blinded by the sun. This was a few years before replay: ua-cam.com/video/RQbXlC8-hgM/v-deo.html
Maybe state that because it’s a fact. Starting counting to 10… Did you start at 0? No, you started at 1. The new millennium started with 1, as in 2001.
Offhand, probably agreeing with NBC's decision and stayed out of it. With the network basically asked them the stay out of it or they were going to stop televising the games.
Love how you mentioned foreshadowing lol. Look at us now with all this drama. And with Fox, and ESPN at the control panel, and an endless amount of quarters to keep playing. TV money anyone? Buahhhahahhahhahahaha! But you can keep your Tulsa's, Miami (oh), Marshall's, and Alabama A&M's. Bout views! And if the FCS/mid FBS teams start seeing good ratings, and I bet they will. These suckers will somehow get that money too. Probably will anyway.
This actually reminds me of '04 when 4 ranked Cal (with Aaron Rodgers at QB) got screwed out of the Rose Bowl in favor of #6 Texas and got relegated to the freaking Holiday Bowl where they got spanked by a 4-loss Texas Tech team because all their motivation was completely gone, and then afterwards poll voters dropped them from #4 to #9. It sure is weird how it's always teams getting shafted in favor of either Texas or OU in all these situations.
USC, was, A, (Corrupt), Machine, it, was, for, the best, Pete Carroll, was, another, cheater who laid waste to College Football, and, suffered no sanctions, for, a few years, anyway.
All because of then-Texas head coach Mack Brown's bitching. Rodgers was pissed at Brown and I don't blame the QB one bit. I felt awful for Cal because it did nothing wrong. This Texas squad that Brown claimed to deserve to be vaulted over Cal barely beat bad teams such as Kansas and Mizzou and lost 12-0 to Oklahoma in Dallas. Meanwhile, Cal took its only regular season L in a game at USC while having more than a 2-to-1 edge in total yards. That situation still baffles me to this day.
What do we have to do? First stop paying your players to go to SMU and making up contracts with players names. How much they make thus leaving a paper trail behind. With the schools letter head on them and return address back to SMU..
I have a hard time believing something like money could affect college football. That's just seems ridiculous. Sure SMU didn't play in the Fiesta Bowl but they all made there bonus'.
Too be fair SMU was not a big draw. That includes both butts in the seats and people watching at home. The loyal fan base SMU has is rabid, but small. It's that way now and it was that way 40yrs afo. Even during Pony Express madness of the early 80's SMU struggled to fill Texas Stadium or bring in strong TV ratings nationally. My point is had SMU had beaten Texas in '83 and the roles reversed, obviously the Fiesta Bowl invites Texas immediately. The real question is does NBC reschedule kickoff so they don't have to compete head to head with the Cotton Bowl? Keep in mind Georgia is still the Cotton Bowl visitor and they're a HUGE draw, so NBC probably considers it. Obviously all of this is a distinct possibility if it's Texas and not SMU. Which is exactly my point. SMU didn't have the pull Texas had. Is it fair? Probably not. But it was the reality of things. Interesting video this week.
At the time NBC had Fiesta Bowl, followed by Rose Bowl, and the Orange Bowl. So there was no way to move the game that day. It was already on Jan 2 so no reason to move to another day. Besides SMU was dirtier then sin. Heck the SWC was pretty bad. Essentially one season I think two thirds od Conference was on probation.
Had Texas beaten Georgia in the Cotton Bowl, they and not Miami would have won the national championship. These were the rankings in college football leading up to bowl season. 1.Nebraska 2.Texas 3.Auburn 4.Miami I would believe of who would have played in the Fiesta Bowl on NBC, the Cotton Bowl on CBS would have gotten better ratings
Well, they lost the Rose Bowl after the 1988 game, their last Fiesta and Orange Bowls were in 1995 (they also covered the Cotton Bowl Classic from 1993 to 1995), and their last bowl game overall was the 2006 Gator Bowl. I'm guessing money was involved in some way.
I think it's likely NBC having changed priorities with sports, starting in the late 80s when the network got the Olympics, following by getting the NBA starting in 1990.
@@Tubewings Didn't the Fiesta Bowl go to CBS anyway in the BCS era, or am I remembering something wrong? Because if I'm not mistaken, when the BCS was launched, it was a CBS exclusive thing.
@@RodPower78 NBC has since virtually collapsed in terms of sport. Most of the sports they show now is golf, then SNF and Notre Dame home games. They lost the NBA, they gave up MLB, they had to give up the NHL over financial issues, the Olympics are tanking in the ratings, TNF (which they shared with CBS) went to Fox and now to Prime Video, they shut down nearly all of their sports networks under the NBC banner barring a few exceptions like with the Chicago White Sox or the San Francisco Giants.
@@bundesautobahn7 Fiesta Bowl was on CBS from the 1995 to 1997 seasons (I say seasons as one game was played on New Year's Eve). The BCS began the following year, with all of its games on ABC.
Kind of, like, how, The, WNBA, still airs on ESPN only, because, it's, better, to throw money down a bottomless pit, than, make a, fiscally-responsible, decision, that will offend a few hundred thousand people, for, a couple of weeks, oh, sorry, was, that, just a little too, on the nose.
The idea that choosing SMU was "fair, just and right" is ironic, considering how corrupt the program was (to the point where the school was given the "death penalty")
Lol SMU was blatantly breaking the rules then and years later. Consider that karma and a precursor to the death penalty. Why should we feel bad for them? Also… they lost the Sun Bowl. I don’t care if you aren’t enthused about it, win the game and then you can complain. You lose any griping opportunity by getting your butts whipped.
I think your content‘s great. But I don’t think you understand college football in the state of Texas. It’s not because Austin and Dallas are the same market it’s because it’s Texas the University of Texas they wouldn’t of played any other Texas team against them either maybe the Aggies but probably not that’s just the way it is.
In the SMU-Texas game that year, the Mustangs lost when they decided to go for two and the win with 1:40 left. Could you imagine the chaos that would have ensued if SMU and Texas had gone 10-0-1 and shared the SWC title?? You would have possibly Nebraska at #1, Texas at #2, Auburn at #3, and SMU at #4. SMU would possibly play Nebraska in the Orange Bowl, or maybe even Auburn in the Sugar Bowl. If SMU wins either game, they share the national title that year.
Yep, SMU was burned two years in a row on the "go for tie, or go for win" question, I guess the NCAA was too stupid to implement over time rules. I was actually for SMU going for the tie vs. ARK but next year vs Texas, I disagreed with SMU coaching, they should have gone for tie, because there was still time enough for them to possess the ball again. The SMU defense was awesome. In retrospect, they made the wrong decisions both years at least as far as it relates to National Championship. But WTF, the National Championships back then were pretty much a popularity contest, not decided on the field.
DESPITE the fact that SMU had ERIC DICKERSON they ARE and have ALWAYS BEEN and ALWAYS WILL BE WORSE than a 39.6. They shouldn't EVEN BOTHER to show up for their games WITH or WITHOUT Eric Dickerson. PERIOD.
Maybe Sherwood Blount should have given NBC some money under the table. He was real good at that! :)
Underrated comment 😊
Absolutely
SMU was upset because they didn’t get the extra money. They had a payroll to meet.
ROFLOL No shit!!!!!
Nice reference there I must say
😂 #facts
If you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin.
He he, indeed; I always wonder if Eric Dickerson complained about the money he received in college as much as he did in the pros.
It might have been your Urban Meyer who said this, but I do remember someone in College Football saying recently, “The four-letter acronym that controls College Football now is not the NCAA, it’s ESPN.”
And it’s the Columbus bars not his boss that controls his actions
IF it was, it was ironic as he became employed by the same four letter acronym he is talking about.
That Texas - SMU game was the hardest hitting game I've ever seen
Sadly we won't see that rivalry ever again
@@dustinsindledecker154 Honestly it was only a rivalry for about a 4-5 year period
I'm really excited about seeing TWO JG8 videos a week instead of just one per week! More JaguarGator content is a win-win for all of us!
I was wondering something. Is there any audio of the Michigan radio call of the 2007 Appalachian State upset over Michigan? I wonder how their announcers called that Corey Lynch blocked field goal at the end!
Ah SMU. The college that paid it's players so well that when Eric Dickerson was drafted by the Rams the joke was that he got a paycut to play in the NFL.
Truth
Lived in Dallas during the 80's ... SMU was known as "the Best College Team Money Can Buy "...
It's funny it's only a problem when the little guy does it Texas Oklahoma Alabama they've been doing that shitsince the 60s
I’m thinking about what the TV execs in Lancaster PA were thinking…
Watch the fiesta bowl??? Non-sense!!! Give me a sports movie to watch instead!!
SMU got screwed over big time because they were winning and posted off UT who was also paying their players. All college players have always been paid to play. Why pick on a small church school and steal their brief moment of glory because they are better than you and embarrassing you?
Why didn't they cover this during the 30 For 30 special?
Making them sympathetic would have been, counterproductive, (at best), the same reason why any biography of Bobby Bowden, "forgets," to bring up, how, he, was, a million times worse, but, had teams that, won, and, the worst cheater of all, Barry Switzer, only went down, because, it became too, shameless/brazen, to ignore.
@@matthewdaley746 Wasn't the death penalty for SMU a much more attractive subject anyway? I mean, they'd probably say "Who cares about how they got screwed by NBC out of the Fiesta Bowl?", not to mention they would likely not want to throw NBC under the bus because it would expose how the networks make or didn't make business at the time.
@@matthewdaley746 How did Bowden cheat? I never heard anything about it, so he did a great job of covering it up the whole time. And it's not because the media ignored cheating, since everybody knew Switzer was a cheat even back in the '70s. If anything the Canes seemed like far worse cheaters to me than FSU in the Bowden era. There's that Steve Spurrier line about FSU being "free shoes university" but he took shots at everybody and nothing ever came of it.
@@bundesautobahn7 Also, far more notorious.
@@DolFan316 Really horrific, Willful Blindness.
Damn, SMU got screwed two years in a row. 11-0-1 with no share of the national championship in 1982. Then hosed out of a Jan 2nd bowl spot. Great Video.
It gets, better, the team that, won, The, National Championship, Penn State, had a, loss, ironically, they never got, The, Death Penalty, despite, deserving it far, more, what a mess.
blatantly cheating comes at a cost....
@@brianjacob8728 Harboring, predators, apparently, doesn't.
@@matthewdaley746 As despicable as what went on at Penn State, the ncaa isn't equipped or qualified to be giving out punishment for legal infractions. They can punish a legal infraction that is also a ncaa violation ie. Drug use, but beyond that and expecially when felony charges are likely, that is why the justice department exists. They are however completely qualified and expected to deal with an athletic department blatantly cheating in the ways SMU was.
@@YoWhatGoesHere Perhaps, but, like, an old saying goes, "it's always, much easier to do, nothing, than, something."
This was before SMU got the so-called "death penalty" over that player recruiting scandal that nearly killed their football programme, right?
That is exactly correct.
Yes the death penalty came after the 86 season
And the death penalty came from recruiting classes including the one that produced this team. College football was never clean. Check out the Pony Excess 30 for 30, great source.
That particular scandal was still ongoing at the time.
Do you really think they would be 10-1 immediately AFTER receiving that punishment?
A mere 5 years later and the death penalty later SMU would have been elated to play in the Sun Bowl at that point
Exhibit A as to why the bowl system needs to be blown up.
Because of something that happened 40 years ago??? No. It should be blown up because even the players have finally figured out that non-playoff bowl games are literally meaningless and there are also far too many of them.
The death penalty put on SMU eventually led to the fall of the Southwest Conference and all of what happened between 86-96
Life was goofy back then because there wasn’t a formula for making bowl games. Even today bowl selections suck outside of the CFP. If you don’t travel well and get good ratings, then you will get stuck in bad bowls regardless of record
In some ways the selection process is worse because every bowl is "Pac-12 #4 vs. Mountain West #2" or "SEC #5 vs. ACC #4" and match-ups can look samey from year to year, and a lot of really good Group of 5 teams get left out having to play other G5 teams. On the other, I think it's WAY easier for top-tier mid-majors to get into major bowls. The idea of Western Michigan or Northern Illinois or Cincinnati or Boise State or Memphis playing in a Big Four-level bowl game was unthinkable in 1984 (I know Boise was 1-AA then, but you get the picture). I still want to see Appalachian State get a chance at even a mid-level P5 team in a bowl instead of having to play a MAC team every year, but the process is better.
Networks have a love affair with Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, University of Southern California, Pittsburgh, Miami, Georgia, Texas
So they choose Pitt instead? It's not like Pitt is a ratings juggernaut or anything.
Pitt was less than 10 years removed from a national title and the former home of major stars like Tony Dorsett and Dan Marino. Maybe they weren't a juggernaut but they were a bigger deal then than they are now.
They won a national tittle in 76 and had Dan Marino at the time.
Pitt had a fine program back then.
@@dustinsindledecker154 Marino finished his career the year before ironically against SMU in the Cotton Bowl.
Disagree. For TV equity, one network gets the northeast and Big 10 country (Ohio State); and the other network gets the entire South.
College football before 2015: There's no way there will ever be a playoff!!!
College football now: The playoff MUST be expanded even though the semifinal games have sucked for years!!!
And it's finally going to expand up to 12 teams!
Christmas bonuses for the SMU hired guns was cancelled that year.
I guess the smaller programs getting screwed over by the TV networks and by the big programs is nothing new.
It’s interesting to contemplate what NBC and the Fiesta Bowl would’ve done if the situation had been reversed, with SMU in the Cotton and Texas courting a Fiesta bid. I suspect Texas would have played Ohio State on January 2 in Tempe, with Pitt settling for El Paso.
Didn't SMU get the death penalty shortly after this?
Seriously, why couldn’t the Fiesta Bowl just take the better team and move out of the Cotton Bowl’s time slot. That would be a win-win for the network and the state of Texas.
Watching these videos about 50% of tackles in them would be illegal today.
Idea for you in the topic of bowl oddities, of course this really sticks out to me as I was in the Purdue band at the time, but Purdue went to the Sun Bowl my freshman year in 2001, made the return trip (and actually won! Ironically 34-24 over Washington after losing by the same score to them 2 years prior in the Rose Bowl) in 2002.
Then after a trip to what ended up being a thrilling Capital One bowl in 2003 (actually 1/1/2004, down 24-0 vs Georgia, came back and forced overtime), it came time to find out where we were going for our bowl game in 2004 after starting 5-0 behind early Heisman favorite Kyle Orton then finishing 7-4… as you can probably guess the destination was again El Paso and the Sun Bowl. At least I was old enough to drink by that trip! Wonder if any other schools have gone to the same bowl 3/4 years? Thanks for your great content!!
Why didn't SMU SUE NBC?
The texas-georgia cotton bowl that year turned out to be a good game
Unfortunately, it's the, worst, kind of good Game, "The, Dynasty, That, Wasn't," (Georgia has loads of those), prevailed by a final score of, 10-9.
@@matthewdaley746 if Texas didn't fumble the punt towards the end of that game they would've won
@@artieboyd1257 If Nebraska hadn't gone for the, win, against Miami, this is all moot, one of the greatest, Dynasties, in the history of the sport, possibly, never, gets a chance to, ever, happen, and, Tom Osborne's career trajectory is far different.
@@matthewdaley746 Texas losing basically cleared the path for Miami to get #1. Had Texas won, they'd be ranked #1 in the nation
@@Sephiroth766 Moving, parts, are, everywhere.
28-7?
Maybe they should have showed up for the game……
College needs to do a March Madness style bracket.
Where teams actually get to play…
The biggest consolation for SMU, Go Dawgs! (Georgia beat Texas 10-9)
Georgia's, Dynasty, Of, One.
Knowing what we know now about SMU football in the 80s I can’t feel bad about them getting snubbed out of the Fiesta Bowl that year.
Two years later they would be banned two seasons from playing in Bowl Game, followed by the infamous death penalty after those two seasons of bowl bans.
Meanwhile, Bobby Bowden, was, never, punished, at all, and, Barry Switzer got removed far more, for, the brazen nature of his offenses, than, the offenses, themselves, pathetic, it truly, was.
@@matthewdaley746 I was watching the documentary again from 2010s ESPN 30 for 30. One term that was brought up a couple of times which is true about this whole thing was Selective Enforcement.
@@vdubproductions2646 Yeah, cheating isn't the problem, cheating at a program that isn't, Too, Big, To, Fail, is the problem, this is a scourge, that shall remain, forever, no question about it.
@@matthewdaley746 I agree
@@vdubproductions2646 Bobby Bowden smugly admitted he couldn't police his players all of the time, so, he wouldn't police them any of the time, and, Barry Switzer dared, The, NCAA, to react, both, terrible in their own way, quite, the incorrigible pair.
Fair, just, and right DOESN'T describe SMU in the 1980s...
Another controversy: I personally feel Auburn should have been national champion after winning the Sugar Bowl while Nebraska and Texas lost ahead of them.
Not, even being the best team in their own state, meant, they frequently got stepped over, and, when they finally did, win, it, they, (probably), broke the rules, anyway, terrible.
Auburn lost convincingly to Texas in Jordan Hare that year.
@@jeffstricken8549 A, disastrously-unfortunate, circumstance, unquestionably.
Fast forward to the 90s and Kansas St would feel their pain.
Imagine winning 11 games a year. 5 out of 6 years and getting no major bowl.
98 being probably the worse.
Didn't help that, in 1998, Texas A&M upset them in the Big 12 title game...
@@Unknown-bq9id A&M was a top 10 team and it was by 3 points in double ot.
Dude your retort was weak.
@@charismatic9904 IMO, if Kansas State had won the Big 12 title game and had STILL not gotten a major bowl, I would agree with you there...
One question, though: which major bowl game would Kansas State have gone to in 1998 (and one could make a case they deserved to do so), if they had been selected for one?
@@Unknown-bq9id I say the orange bowl. I mean you could replace Ohio state...I would say replace Syracuse who were 8-4 but they were big east champs. (And orange was obligated to take them)
OSU didn't win their conference nor did they have to play in a conf title game.
@@Unknown-bq9id KSU was going to play in the National Champ game if they had won the conf championship vs A&M.
what is it with nbc and broadcasting lunacy when it comes to football
USF alum here. That was some odd scheduling and I'm not sure who set that game time. Too bad my Bulls, ranked 20th at the time, took an upset loss to a bad Memphis team.
As for SMU, though, NBC was dead-ass wrong. Pitt and Ohio State had no business being in that spot ahead of that SMU team. I hate when politics get involved.
Oh yeah smu pony express before the death penalty
I can't get too upset about SMU losing out. That program was utterly and unapologetically corrupt.
They weren't any more corrupt than the other programs of the era. SMU was just the whipping boy.
That SMU team had the two head monster in Dickerson and Craig James, I don't SMU will ever that relevant again.
8:01 I will actually defend ESPN's current decision to air women's basketball against the Super Bowl, because what else is ESPN supposed to do? Anyone planning to watch the Super Bowl isn't going to switch over to ESPN for ANYTHING else, so by your logic, they might as well shut down not air anything at all. Better to air something that the few people who aren't interested in football at all - and yes, those people DO exist - might actually tune into instead.
One more suggestion, not sure you could make a video about this but as a Purdue guy I’ve never forgotten the 2000 Outback Bowl. The Boilers went up 25-0. They scored 4 touchdowns but after missing the first extra point Coach stiller stupidly chased points, missed 2 two point conversion attempts, and of course Georgia ended up tying the game at 25 and winning in overtime in what was billed as the first major sporting event of the new millennium (although many state that the new millennium technically began in 2001).
Of note in this game is that the Purdue kicked appeared to make a field goal in regulation that was called no good! I don’t know that I’ve ever seen that happen, and since the game went to overtime this potentially cost Purdue the game. Here’s a link to the game and the field goal in question is around 1:49:00. I don’t see how that wasn’t good. I believe there was talk of the official being blinded by the sun. This was a few years before replay:
ua-cam.com/video/RQbXlC8-hgM/v-deo.html
Maybe state that because it’s a fact. Starting counting to 10…
Did you start at 0? No, you started at 1. The new millennium started with 1, as in 2001.
the question is, where was the ncaa in all of this?
Busy, not, caring, pathetic.
Offhand, probably agreeing with NBC's decision and stayed out of it. With the network basically asked them the stay out of it or they were going to stop televising the games.
@@stephenholloway6893 What, monumentally, fantastical, cowardice.
Going through its antitrust suit with the College Football Association.
@@CTubeMan Ecstatic that's straightened out.
Love how you mentioned foreshadowing lol. Look at us now with all this drama. And with Fox, and ESPN at the control panel, and an endless amount of quarters to keep playing. TV money anyone? Buahhhahahhahhahahaha! But you can keep your Tulsa's, Miami (oh), Marshall's, and Alabama A&M's. Bout views! And if the FCS/mid FBS teams start seeing good ratings, and I bet they will. These suckers will somehow get that money too. Probably will anyway.
1:02 - actually, no. The scenario you described doesn't seem insane at all.
In fact, I'm actually amazed it doesn't happen more often.
More, than, society, realizes.
This actually reminds me of '04 when 4 ranked Cal (with Aaron Rodgers at QB) got screwed out of the Rose Bowl in favor of #6 Texas and got relegated to the freaking Holiday Bowl where they got spanked by a 4-loss Texas Tech team because all their motivation was completely gone, and then afterwards poll voters dropped them from #4 to #9. It sure is weird how it's always teams getting shafted in favor of either Texas or OU in all these situations.
USC, was, A, (Corrupt), Machine, it, was, for, the best, Pete Carroll, was, another, cheater who laid waste to College Football, and, suffered no sanctions, for, a few years, anyway.
I remember that thanks for bringing that fiasco up too. Then everyone wonders why the PAC 12 slowly faded..
All because of then-Texas head coach Mack Brown's bitching. Rodgers was pissed at Brown and I don't blame the QB one bit. I felt awful for Cal because it did nothing wrong. This Texas squad that Brown claimed to deserve to be vaulted over Cal barely beat bad teams such as Kansas and Mizzou and lost 12-0 to Oklahoma in Dallas. Meanwhile, Cal took its only regular season L in a game at USC while having more than a 2-to-1 edge in total yards. That situation still baffles me to this day.
@@marcus813 Karma, got its revenge.
Oh please. A 4 loss team shouldve never spanked them.
They werent that good
What do we have to do? First stop paying your players to go to SMU and making up contracts with players names. How much they make thus leaving a paper trail behind. With the schools letter head on them and return address back to SMU..
I have a hard time believing something like money could affect college football. That's just seems ridiculous. Sure SMU didn't play in the Fiesta Bowl but they all made there bonus'.
And what's lost? All the NCAA viations by SMU.
excellent point, Playoffs.
Game six is usually unwinnable for the team down 3-2
Smu was so notoriously dirty back in the 80s.
SMU needed that $850,000 they had a huge payroll that season and still paying Eric Dickerson.
Too be fair SMU was not a big draw. That includes both butts in the seats and people watching at home. The loyal fan base SMU has is rabid, but small. It's that way now and it was that way 40yrs afo. Even during Pony Express madness of the early 80's SMU struggled to fill Texas Stadium or bring in strong TV ratings nationally. My point is had SMU had beaten Texas in '83 and the roles reversed, obviously the Fiesta Bowl invites Texas immediately. The real question is does NBC reschedule kickoff so they don't have to compete head to head with the Cotton Bowl? Keep in mind Georgia is still the Cotton Bowl visitor and they're a HUGE draw, so NBC probably considers it. Obviously all of this is a distinct possibility if it's Texas and not SMU. Which is exactly my point. SMU didn't have the pull Texas had.
Is it fair? Probably not. But it was the reality of things.
Interesting video this week.
For what time would NBC have rescheduled the kickoff?
At the time NBC had Fiesta Bowl, followed by Rose Bowl, and the Orange Bowl. So there was no way to move the game
that day. It was already on Jan 2 so no reason to move to another day.
Besides SMU was dirtier then sin. Heck the SWC was pretty bad. Essentially one season I think two thirds od Conference was on probation.
Had Texas beaten Georgia in the Cotton Bowl, they and not Miami would have won the national championship. These were the rankings in college football leading up to bowl season.
1.Nebraska
2.Texas
3.Auburn
4.Miami
I would believe of who would have played in the Fiesta Bowl on NBC, the Cotton Bowl on CBS would have gotten better ratings
What a sad sad story 😢
Only the appetizer, seriously.
Is that why NBC doesn't do bowl games anymore? Or something different?
Well, they lost the Rose Bowl after the 1988 game, their last Fiesta and Orange Bowls were in 1995 (they also covered the Cotton Bowl Classic from 1993 to 1995), and their last bowl game overall was the 2006 Gator Bowl. I'm guessing money was involved in some way.
I think it's likely NBC having changed priorities with sports, starting in the late 80s when the network got the Olympics, following by getting the NBA starting in 1990.
@@Tubewings Didn't the Fiesta Bowl go to CBS anyway in the BCS era, or am I remembering something wrong? Because if I'm not mistaken, when the BCS was launched, it was a CBS exclusive thing.
@@RodPower78 NBC has since virtually collapsed in terms of sport. Most of the sports they show now is golf, then SNF and Notre Dame home games. They lost the NBA, they gave up MLB, they had to give up the NHL over financial issues, the Olympics are tanking in the ratings, TNF (which they shared with CBS) went to Fox and now to Prime Video, they shut down nearly all of their sports networks under the NBC banner barring a few exceptions like with the Chicago White Sox or the San Francisco Giants.
@@bundesautobahn7 Fiesta Bowl was on CBS from the 1995 to 1997 seasons (I say seasons as one game was played on New Year's Eve). The BCS began the following year, with all of its games on ABC.
8:08 To be fair, even women don't watch women's sports and a women's hoops game would do horrible ratings no matter when it aired.
Kind of, like, how, The, WNBA, still airs on ESPN only, because, it's, better, to throw money down a bottomless pit, than, make a, fiscally-responsible, decision, that will offend a few hundred thousand people, for, a couple of weeks, oh, sorry, was, that, just a little too, on the nose.
@@matthewdaley746 Your comments have a tendency to be so on the nose they get randomly deleted because UA-cam has a severe problem with the truth.
@@DolFan316 Yeah, accuracy, is, uncomfortable.
@@matthewdaley746 Your previous comment on this topic has suddenly vanished, just to prove my point.
@@DolFan316 They're strong, I'm harsh.
It was a COLLEGE football Bowl Game. Maybe NBC did not find it appropriate to invite a PROFESSIONAL football team!
The idea that choosing SMU was "fair, just and right" is ironic, considering how corrupt the program was (to the point where the school was given the "death penalty")
The best college football team money could buy.
Today that team would be called Texas A&M.
To be fair no one is watching the women’s college basketball game anyway.
Yes they got shafted but its hard to feel sorry for them if they get destroyed in the Sun Bowl
lets see how much motivation you have when you earned a New Years bowl and get relegated to a shit bowl in Mexico (El Paso).
Nobody wants to play in the Sun Bowl. Crappy stadium and even worse town.
Additionally, freezing, desert, Winters.
El Paso always gets a bum rap. And that's wrong.
Always one of the better bowl games.
Lol SMU was blatantly breaking the rules then and years later. Consider that karma and a precursor to the death penalty. Why should we feel bad for them? Also… they lost the Sun Bowl. I don’t care if you aren’t enthused about it, win the game and then you can complain. You lose any griping opportunity by getting your butts whipped.
I enjoy your channel Go Gators
I think your content‘s great. But I don’t think you understand college football in the state of Texas. It’s not because Austin and Dallas are the same market it’s because it’s Texas the University of Texas they wouldn’t of played any other Texas team against them either maybe the Aggies but probably not that’s just the way it is.
Eh. SMU was cheating the whole time anyway so when it all comes down to it they didnt deserve it anyway.
Sadly now everybody cheats its just they got caught.
Just tell me if anyone bet on Alabama early in the bowl season.
Let's goooo
Cincy had.p no real business being in the playoffs
Go rewatch the navy game
fox nbc and cbs big ten :(
$MU, amirite?
SMU was crooked.
#HowPhantasmic!
East Coast bias. Period
In the SMU-Texas game that year, the Mustangs lost when they decided to go for two and the win with 1:40 left. Could you imagine the chaos that would have ensued if SMU and Texas had gone 10-0-1 and shared the SWC title??
You would have possibly Nebraska at #1, Texas at #2, Auburn at #3, and SMU at #4. SMU would possibly play Nebraska in the Orange Bowl, or maybe even Auburn in the Sugar Bowl. If SMU wins either game, they share the national title that year.
At least we share the 1981 and 1982 national championships, and even the 1935 championship for good measure
No Miami.
Yep, SMU was burned two years in a row on the "go for tie, or go for win" question, I guess the NCAA was too stupid to implement over time rules. I was actually for SMU going for the tie vs. ARK but next year vs Texas, I disagreed with SMU coaching, they should have gone for tie, because there was still time enough for them to possess the ball again. The SMU defense was awesome. In retrospect, they made the wrong decisions both years at least as far as it relates to National Championship. But WTF, the National Championships back then were pretty much a popularity contest, not decided on the field.
DESPITE the fact that SMU had ERIC DICKERSON they ARE and have ALWAYS BEEN and ALWAYS WILL BE WORSE than a 39.6. They shouldn't EVEN BOTHER to show up for their games WITH or WITHOUT Eric Dickerson. PERIOD.