Do you think that this world view is totally incompatible with how we moderns see things today, or is there anything we can glean from the medieval outlook?
I think to the extent we regard education as training in wisdom and virtue we can benefit enormously. It is a rich repository. Does our society value wisdom or virtue?
@@LitProfI think our society values scientific truth, and Ptolemy’s cosmology is totally incorrect. Now we know that there’s nothing particularly special about space. The “heavens” merely consist of rocks and darkness. All things now have a mechanistic explanation. One of the things I struggle with as a Christian is realizing that this cosmology was pretty much the same cosmology that the New Testament authors had. This is why Christ ascends into heaven, he ascends up through the celestial spheres all the way back up to the Father in the empyrean. Saint Paul was caught up into the “third heaven”. Satan is described as the “archon of this world” and “the prince of the power of the air”. This Ptolemaic cosmology is all over the New Testament and the history of the Church. If you were to go back to someone pre Copernicus and ask where heaven is, they would point up. But now today if you ask a Christian “where is heaven” they would give you some kind of answer out of Star Trek. Heaven is in another dimension. From my understanding, this ancient cosmology is very much intertwined with the theology of the apostles and the Fathers of the Church, and when Copernicus and Galileo came along they completely demolished the cosmological framework of Christianity, and now we are all pretending like it’s not that bad. We are pretending that the Ptolemaic language of the New Testament was symbolic, trying to conceal the embarrassing truth of an outdated cosmological outlook in our holy book.
So, in Revelation where it says the cowards, theives, ... And all liars are outside the city from heaven, the medieval person saw themselves as current sinners who would eventually gain entrance into the heavens? Ir did they think of the heavens like the big wave that you have to get through before you reach Aslan's country in Dawn Treader?
Heaven declares The Glory of God. Thank You for sharing❤
Do you think that this world view is totally incompatible with how we moderns see things today, or is there anything we can glean from the medieval outlook?
I think to the extent we regard education as training in wisdom and virtue we can benefit enormously. It is a rich repository.
Does our society value wisdom or virtue?
@@LitProfI think our society values scientific truth, and Ptolemy’s cosmology is totally incorrect. Now we know that there’s nothing particularly special about space. The “heavens” merely consist of rocks and darkness. All things now have a mechanistic explanation.
One of the things I struggle with as a Christian is realizing that this cosmology was pretty much the same cosmology that the New Testament authors had. This is why Christ ascends into heaven, he ascends up through the celestial spheres all the way back up to the Father in the empyrean. Saint Paul was caught up into the “third heaven”. Satan is described as the “archon of this world” and “the prince of the power of the air”. This Ptolemaic cosmology is all over the New Testament and the history of the Church. If you were to go back to someone pre Copernicus and ask where heaven is, they would point up. But now today if you ask a Christian “where is heaven” they would give you some kind of answer out of Star Trek. Heaven is in another dimension. From my understanding, this ancient cosmology is very much intertwined with the theology of the apostles and the Fathers of the Church, and when Copernicus and Galileo came along they completely demolished the cosmological framework of Christianity, and now we are all pretending like it’s not that bad. We are pretending that the Ptolemaic language of the New Testament was symbolic, trying to conceal the embarrassing truth of an outdated cosmological outlook in our holy book.
Will u ever do Albert Camus?
I would like to but he’s not part of my usual teaching material.
So, in Revelation where it says the cowards, theives, ... And all liars are outside the city from heaven, the medieval person saw themselves as current sinners who would eventually gain entrance into the heavens?
Ir did they think of the heavens like the big wave that you have to get through before you reach Aslan's country in Dawn Treader?
Yes