Please don't make analogies between blockbusters and meat... though it's quite accurate, actually. PS. People don't have the right to eat meat, but let's not get into that.
+ IAmAgainst That's it in a nutshell. Some people say we shouldnt take it so seriously, its just entertainment. I say hell with that! We NEED to take it more seriously, and actually demand quality over quantity!
Imagine how much more tragic the ending to The Avengers: Infinity War would have been if all the sequels for the characters who were killed weren't already announced...
Josh Bouman you are not alone. I did not care that much for Endgame. Marvel characters that could have crushed Thanos but for the love of money, did not. Scarlet Witch, Thor, Dr. Strange, Vision, Capt Marvel, Adam Warlock, Black Panther, Hulk, etc. In addition, characters who lived in the comics died on film and worse, characters who died in the comics lived on in the films. It was predictable and it didn’t make any sense.
OR just to make money off the fanbase. That is the more frequent reason IMO. Not many people want to make a great movie these days, but everyone wants to make lots of money ASAP. Similarly, in gaming, you have the INSANE amount of DLC whoring that is taking place. It is truly disgusting.
Point number one ought to have been the constant reliance on having an audience that "knows the story." All these overblown hacks "use" this as an excuse to avoid dealing with large slobbering hunks of character and story. Point two should have been the "expectation" that because part of a "story" has been in a comic book, dead tree book or something else beyond the film itself "everyone" who will see the movie has already read or knows about all of these outside sources. All of this comes down to an ongoing "quest" to cut down on the work (and the expense) that needs to be undertaken before the first frame of film is shot. What makes it so awful is that most of the people who are victimized by this schlock method of film-making get drowned out by the howling fan base whenever they complain about it. People who make films will continue to get away with schlock until the people who buy the tickets (at $12-$15 a pop sometimes) howl loudly enough that schlocked up movies start to lose money.
Roci Stone Yes! When you have to explain why something happened or who x character is or why a movie ended in a stupid place to someone who hasn't read the original material they're making a shitty movie.
TheOtakuX That's what happens when you switch Directors for a sequel where they thought "Oh shit! We forgot Rey's past... How about we make it non existent so we have more time for that casino Chase scene"
It's fascinating what's happening to Star Wars because it's turning out much, much worse than I initially imagined. Bringing back Abrams strikes me as an attempt to "win back" the audience that loved TFA. The problem is that we now have this gaping hole in the middle of the trilogy where the already-shallow worldbuilding was tossed away wholesale. Rather than telling the conclusion of this story, or even simply closing off loose ends, Abrams is now going to spend the vast majority of his time twisting and contorting a story just to dance around the nothingness that was TLJ. Think about that. Return of the Jedi was able to build off The Empire Strikes back. Revenge of the Sith was able to build off Attack of the Clones. Whatever they'll be calling the next new movie doesn't have that luxury _at all._
the thing I hate the most is when they give away too much in the trailer. It's called a teaser for a reason. Now a days I feel I don't even need to see the movie. I know everything that is going to happen before hand.
Clay Campbell They did that with a lot of old movies though. You would be surprised if you look back at the trailers from your favorite movies from 30 years ago. Sometimes old movie trailers literally showed the last scene in it.
Raymond Mach A good example is how they handled the Soylent Green trailers I think. "What is the secret of Soylent Green?" Well considering going we just saw a body bag and you're asking us about how it's made I think I can figure out the twist.
Tiber Septim But they basically retell the whole movie in that 2 minutes. A trailer is supposed to create intrigue, not give you the cliff notes on all major plot points in the film, or the best jokes, or even the damn twist.
Big reason. Don't discount the quality of the people doing these scripts. They have no idea what they're doing. Max Landis writes more scripts than anyone and the stuff he writes is pure trash.
Yeah basically, you have business people, and you have artists. It is unusual to meet someone who is both. In theory, the two of them need each other. Not only do the business people provide the money, but they also provide a measure of practicality and keep the artist from spending three times that amount realizing their "vision." However... What frequently happens is that the people who hold the purse strings are corporate drones with bags of money where their souls should be who are only able to understand what hu-mans like via a spreadsheet.
Zap Rowsdower Not everything, you see one or two of his films and see him as complete trash now? He made Chronicle (2012) and some of the episodes for Dirk Gently (2016) which were both quite well done. As for his other works... well, he needs to go back to what worked for him. Way to work in a hate comment about someone in response to a comment that has nothing even remotely close to doing with him. Making your own comment would've worked better and spawned more on point conversation of your intended topic.
Interestingly 'Star Wars' was originally a stand alone movie. The end of the movie is an actual end. It's also why there were so many inconsistencies introduced in the following movies as Lucas constantly tried to retcon everything as he changed the stories over and over and over again in his never ending quest to "fix" the movies.
Nope. George Lucas had written two scripts before New Hope came out. One script for if it flopped and one for if it was a success AKA Empire Strikes Back. The wasted script was a cheaper to produce version. Later on it was introduced in a book.
Timothy Hilditch Except Lucas had no idea if he was even going to get another movie. Sure, he had a script already written for a sequel, but just having that script doesn't automatically force a sequel to be made. He had to make Star Wars to be the best he could if he wanted that sequel to happen, i.e. make a self-contained story so nobody hates it for a non-sensical ending. Blue-balling your audience on a movie thats not only a new IP, but has never been seen before on that scale is dumb. He needed that movie to be the success that it was to get that sequel.
Sean Locke This is true! And Star Wars getting sequels that sold like crazy was the beginnings of endless sequelisation and focusing on massive blockbusters over smaller or lower budget movies. That didn't happen overnight but Star Wars definitely contributed to the trends we see today.
Makes so much sense. It always confused me as a kid when Vader said "I have you now young Skywalker" only to go all "No, I am your father" in the sequel. Who did he think Luke was? Skywalker from Ohio?
Yep it seems like as a general rule, the bigger the budget reflects how bad it will end up... Off course there re exceptions. Anyone see that chris pratt and jennifer lawrence movie passengers? I read the plot online and it's the stupidest thing ive ever read stretched out long enough. It was obviously being "mysterious" to cover up how shitmit was and bank on the popularity of the two leads.
Yeah, Passengers is right up there with that weird ass Monster Trucks film for the most "wtf" films of recent times to get the budgets they did. I actually found it funny that feminists condemned Passengers as basically a rape film, because Pratt's character "objectifies" Lawrence's character to the point of ejecting her from hibernation to have her with him, forcing her to live out her life with only him on the ship before they ever reach their destination. Personally I found it really convenient that the ship didn't end up screwing up in other ways and begin to eject anyone else. If a minor issue forced him and Fishburne out, with Fishburne's character also being physically injured fatally by his ejection, how did this not happen to anyone else, and how did other issues not arise in the near century of the voyage to force others from sleep? It was just a sappy love story that paid no attention to detail, which as you said, Valentine, was banking entirely off star power. It also speaks against Lawrence's credibility as a feminist that she's taken a role other feminists see as basically a Stockholm Syndrome rape victim
It's ironic because I think people just expect the opposite. No one really wants to scan through the indie section or undiscovered stuff on Netflix or their theater. They want the movie with the dazzling trailers and special effects.
Yep. I only watch movies pre 2005. Newer stuff is just a rewash of old movies with crappy actors and special effects. Ex: Remember old horror special effects. Gruesome and realistic. The list goes on and on
Someone needs to talk about the real villains behind all these terrible films made in recent years - us, the audience who still goes to see these monstrosities and waste our time and money on them, even though all our past experiences tell us they will be terrible and ultimately a waste of our resources. Bad movies get made because they are easier to make than good movies and we'll still watch them and help the studios make a crap ton of money. We're the real bad guys. Fight the power! don't go see a movie if you know (based on experience and good sense) that its going to be bad.
The problem with that mindset is that you could possibly miss out on many interesting or good movies, marketing lies sometimes, the power rangers movie had a really bad trailer that made the movie look like it was going to suck balls, but when I watched it I found it was very well made and managed to capture the silliness of the show but also add more mature elements. I I had used my common sense here, I wouldn't have watched a fun, entertaining movie that made the rest of my day happy. I get what you're saying, but there's always the chance that something is exactly the opposite of what it appears to be.
I've stopped going to the cinema, or buying DVDs, I now have a little box that allows me to watch the latest films without paying £50.00 or more for a day at the cinema to see one mediocre but very loud film.
Joseph Duenas No... him getting angry at the water glass getter was pretty stupid. Only thing that drives his point home us the parallel to movies. It was pointless schlock played for humor and I wanted to smack him as badly as he wanted to smack his helper...
YES! Cracked actually has some good content in their videos, but it's unfortunate you have to sift through shit like the first 40 seconds, or the stupid ending. It's OK to through funny bits in here and there, but there's nothing funny about the way this begins or ends.
I don't demand perfect story-telling, but for three years now, I have preserved my sanity by refusing to pay to see prequels, sequels, remakes, reboots, or superhero movies. Sometimes that means there is not one single movie I would want to see, and sometimes it means there is only one. Even if that one isn't the greatest, I like to encourage the filmmaker for doing something original. All good wishes for 2020!
Amazon Prime has a nice selection of real independent films made for a budget that wouldn’t pay for catering on a Hollywood movie. It’s hit and miss but some of them are very good. I saw one about a programmer who gets involved with aliens and it was amazingly good. There were details about programming and quantum theory that were actually correct, the characters were believable, the hero was flawed but likable and the plot kept you guessing right to the end. I’m with you, no more sequels, prequels, and also for me no more movies based on comic books… you’ve seen one sky beam you’ve seen them all.
Anton Nym that's very interesting. Whenever these prequels, sequels, and superhero movies are announced, they get a lot of attention even though it's clear that these movies aren't that deep and relevant to deserve such attention while better and more thought provoking movies are not given the publicity they deserve. The only way to end this is to support these other films so they get made more instead of these garbage superhero/Disney flicks.
well we do have to be rooting for them so they kinda do have to be likeable. if the main charachters, protagonist and antagonist alike, arent likeable then we dont care about what happens to them and it takes all the tension out of the movie
devina yeah but that also can get you traped in the Protagonist must always win/be a good guy cliche as a writer you got to be okay with your character failing or disappointing maybe even hurting you're audience
I think the applicable term may be "relatable." So that we empathize with the character by putting ourselves in their shoes and kind of live through them for a moment. However , there have been some interesting characters that are fucking insufferable and it takes me out of the movie. Ever watch Sex and the City?
you know what, thats a good point. relatable is a much better word. thanks :) ill retract my pevious statement.i have actually avoided sex in the city like plauge because it seems awful. but yeah your point still stands
What's also killing movies is the assumption that everything will get a sequel automatically. One movie ruined by that assumption? The Golden Compass. The first of a trilogy that actually had good stand-alone novels with an overall plot arc, but because the producers automatically assumed there was gonna be a sequel they cut off the ending of the first book completely leaving a shitty movie behind. They could've ended the first book's plot, briefly introduce Will from the second story like the original book did and boom, hook viewers for a sequel. Instead the first movie bombed at the box office because it was incomplete, sequel never happened. Hollywood stop assuming everything will get a damn sequel and using that as an excuse to make a shitty movie!
Having read the novels I knew Golden Compass was never getting a sequel. Golden Compass had quite a bit of anti christian values bits in it that they mostly managed to gloss over in the film.... The Subtle Knife basically turns around and gives christianity the middle finger. There was no way they were going to be allowed to make that film unless they did it in a country where christianity was not much of a thing... and then they'd never get it brought over to the states.
Forest Grump They're not really Christian themes if someone feels so strongly against them. Most of Christendom's religions do not teach what the Bible says, but rather the early churches began to drift from Bible teachings, adopting popular philosophies and pagan teachings (i.e. hellfire, immortality of the soul, trinity, etc). Most Christians don't know what the Bible teaches, and their pastors won't tell them even though many know, because if they did, then they would have to get real jobs to support themselves, and clean up their conduct. Christendom supports patriotism (We rock, you don't), wars, premarital sex, divorce without merit, so called "minor" sins, and the list goes on. Most of the so called Christian holidays are rooted in paganism too. My point is, most people don't know what the Bible really teaches, and it would be inaccurate to get your details from commonly taught beliefs.
The bible means picking and choosing whatever you or society thinks is right for the time, leaving out the rest, and believing in lies like the virgin birth, which was a part of many other religions before being written into Christianity too as a good religion needs a virgin.
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IcyHot LUKEwarm I was about to reply but then didn’t but then read your reply so I will .... that movie is based on an amazing novel by Agatha Christie. She wrote MANY amazing novels. Her stories are all considered classic literature. I love classic lit. Read it everyday. A lot of classic lit ends that way bc it is more of an intellectual experience than to sit and watch a movie and allows he author to leave the reader with something to think on. I feel like too many movie producers writers whatever now a days want to pull from these classic literature stories and don’t pull it off in a way to allow for such endings and the mass general viewers be satisfied by this type of finish.
I'm so glad JJ gets called out for his mystery box bullshit! I remember clenching my fist in anger while watching his farce of Ted talk, thinking back of Lost and his other works, as if he's just proud of telling us "when I'm writing create threads that I will never resolve and I'll never tell you what happened, and you're gonna like it!". Now THAT's writing talent, heh?
His parents are movie bigwigs so, basically they gifted him with a career. Unfortunately, that seems to be how Hollywood "works" these days: it's filled with talentless nepo-babies who've been told they're awesome from before they could understand human speech. And, like most people who didn't develop normally, now they've become everyone's problem.
Item #2 is really the most important one. If the characters at the end of the movie are exactly the same people as they were when the picture started, you haven't really told a story. And that means (ding sound)...
Movies are basically taking the worst cue from the video-game industry: "Eh, we'll just patch it after it after we release it. Then we'll have a deluxe edition with all the DLC they already paid for".
Yeah, that's a pretty good comparison. Same thing with the sequel/reboot nightmare we're living through right now. People who grew up paying $60 for a COD game every year are probably also the ones paying $10 to see another generic superhero movie every month.
That or its cheap padding to justify making a whole other movie so people have to pay more money just to find out why something in the first movie happened.
yeah. 2016 had some really good movies that I enjoyed. Warcraft, Ratchet and Clank and Zootopia were entertaining so was Storks when you look back at it. just because they release another Superman movie and another Starwars does not mean those are the only movies that matter.
I can agree with this. LaLaLand was really good and took a big artistic risk with their ending and I liked it all the more for that. I think it's because it was a film made to communicate a vision as opposed to just existing to smash box office records.
Television used to be what movies are today, sucking a concept dry until audiences got bored and moved on to something new. Now good tv shows are plotted out (like breaking bad or game of thrones) to have a beginning, a middle, and an end. They have meaningful character arcs and more time to develop a narrative than movies do. The better tv shows are like visual novels. They're smoking movies.
Karen Holmes, Aww...you had such a good point until you mentioned Game of Thrones. I will completely agree with you on Breaking Bad but GoT seems to have gone the way of story by committee where no one seems to really know how it should end or if they even want it to.
When you are going to bitch about movies with a strong fan base and made obscene amounts of money, he couldn't say, those movies sucked and you are a terrible person for watching them.
JD1010101110 he uses one from waybackwhen, but most of them that I've seen nowadays are worth more than what you pay for them. (plus, for me it brings back that "magical feeling" of christmas that I've lost as an adult)
Pink Taylor I think the opposite lol I'm probably wrong but I think of mystery boxes like not seeing the shark in jaws until the end as good, but not seeing the super 8 monster until the end as gimmicky lol
I like the idea but I think JJ's work is more like a mystery box done wrong. It's when the "mystery" is basically a McGuffin. I really had that feeling with shows like Fringe and Lost but you can find that in other shows like Pretty Little Liars for instance (I think that's one of the best examples). It's when a mystery is stretched over seasons, only there to keep you watching another episode, but in the end the revelation isn't good, sastifying or just doesn't makes sense after all those seasons and episodes. The mystery isn't what's important, every time the show should revealed everything.... it doesn't. No. Maybe in the next episode.
Cody Johnston reminds me of a guy who used to work at my local Blockbuster; instead of just taking my money, he would take 5 minutes to criticize me for renting whatever video game I wanted. Rampage wasn't a waste of my weekend, man!
Not to mention the hard left turn at Albuquerque they made at the end that came out of nowhere, “thank you for watching a video about the state of the movie industry, now go listen to our podcast about how the nuclear family is bullsh*t!”
Ben Hunter "hard left"? You know the church has only talked family values since the 60s before that it preached being a virgin with no spouse or kids made you spiritually superior and took plenty of kids away from their parents to be raised by church run institutions. "Any man who hate not his father cannot is unworthy to be my disciple".
"You have to establish things before you try to subvert our expectations. It doesn't matter how good your twist is if we never even started to care about the characters involved in it."
I totally hated star wars the force awakens for that same reason, Rey had absolutely no training and defeated a trained kylo ren like it was nothing, that and so many cringey moments as well
Minor spoilers!! i have just a slight problem with this, im hoping assuming you have seen the latest episode of star wars but this is actually explained in the latest film. The supreme Leader explains to kylo why he is unfit for the dark side as he was defeated by a completely untrained Rey, and they explore more of this, we dont know who her parents are. This is the allure of the new episodes, how is she controlling the force?? Rey is similar to Luke as he was a junker, Anakin was a slave, they all came from meager beginnings.
Rey grew up hearing stories of Luke Skywalker and what he did with the force, and the feats of Han Solo, Leia and Chewie and had some idea of what the force was and what it can do, Luke did not, he was purposely given little to no information about his father or the force until Obi Wan told him. Kylo Ren was hot headed during the fight, had already taken a blaster shot to the side and had fought Finn (who was trained in close quarters combat), Rey got the upper hand because of these outside factors in their fight.
I like that there are comments calling bullshit on that argument. The Force is a literal magic plot device to explain why the heroes can do implausible shit, & the main take home in A New Hope is that you use it by feeling & trusting in it. Every Star Wars movie stars a character who has unusual strength in it, mastering skills after minimal practice, essentially just because. Having such a petty, oft-debunked gripe really weakened the video's argument.
In my opinion it's because more and more movies are made to appeal to the wider audience. In a nutshell, Star Wars today is made to appeal to people who mocked star wars fans until recently. Same with reboot of Star Trek, Star Trek 2009 had nothing to do with what Star Trek was about in the past.
by appealing to more audience, your movie loses its value on the initial audience. This then causes a washed down, kinda boring movie with some of everything and all of nothing
No. Star Wars was made for general audiences, everyone from the Greatest Generation on til now has grown up with scifi and fantasy stories. They’ve appealed mostly to children, but as baby boomers grew up they wanted to pay homage to their childhood. So you get George Lucas making Star Wars because he couldn’t get the rights to Flash Gordon The classic horror, comedy, action and adventure films of films were all big hits with general audiences Cult classics, not so much, but how many people reading this have seen Buckaroo Banzai or The People Under the Stairs, Dead Alive? My point here is that the quality of film is worse not because of “wider audiences,” but for reasons like this video mentions
Agreed. One reason _Bojack Horseman_ is so brilliant is the writers only allow one F-Bomb per season so when they do use it, it really exemplifies the scene into being so much more. Amazing how a rinky dink cartoon is putting so many Hollywood blockbusters to shame.
thallesregis I think what he means is most writers think swearing automatically makes something more than what it usually is. Unfortunately this isn't really the case it most cases use swearing so much that it loses any impact on the audiences.
As a lifelong Star Wars fan, I’ve found that I’ve started to miss the “dark years”, when everybody assumed Star Wars was dead and never coming back, compared to what we have now. And the more I view Star Wars as something that started in 1977 and ended in 1985, the more I appreciate the franchise overall. Everything released after 1985 is just a reaction to Star Wars’ success and did not actually contribute to that success. Also the “dramatic” Khan reveal in Star Trek: Into Darkness makes no sense whatsoever in the context of that story. Besides, why would a time-travel event in the 23rd century cause an Indian guy from the 20th century to turn into a British guy?
Nathan Rosario i'm 45. my childhood was spent in small rural towns of 100 ppl w/ rabbit ears for "cable", watching "Sesame Street", "Star Trek", & "MASH". my folks LOVED "Star Trek/Wars". "Into Darkness" was so foreign to me, (although i saw all the films growing up) that i *LITERALLY, dramatically, SAID* : "Khan who?", lol. my thinking was: "A relative of Genghis Khan?? Why'd that guy say that so dramatically??? i mean, there was, Ricardo Montalban's "KHAN!!!" when i was like 10 or something, but, that was iconic. So, wtf?" Wow! What a f****d up answer!! i told my Mom: "The force is strong w/ the 'even/odd-numbered Star Trek movie number curse' in "Into Darkness"! Do NOT watch it!" LOL. Although, i DID love ST: TNG.
To be fair, the prequels weren't all that bad. They didn't fall into many of the trappings outlined in this video, and frankly, they added simple, concise, and interesting backstory to how the Empire and Rebellion of the original trilogy came to be. AND they had some really incredible action scenes and lightsaber duels (see the Darth Maul/Obi Wan/Qui Gon fight from Phantom Menace). The sequels though? Terrible movies. Disney wrecks everything it touches. Pretty much falls into every trap outlined in this video, fails to make coherent stories, and for some reason had to make Star Wars feel exactly like a Marvel film, anti-climactic humor and all.
When the news came down about the 'new' SW movie I remember my first reaction was more wondering what it might look like on the IMAX screen. Hated cute little Anikin, you almost had the feeling there was going to be a talking doll. [shudder]
I only watch Inde films now the only Hollywood films I watch are mostly pre 2010s. Honestly Inde films are like the only good films being produced nowadays I've become a fan after binge watching a lot of independent thrillers and horrors on Netflix The writing is SO much better and less cliche they talk like real people and the plots are rarely ever boring. And often take unexpected turns compared to what you may think. I fell in love with Circle (2015) These inde films are infinitely more better with less budget than a Hollywood film often have a budget less than ten million dollars I find.
On top of that degrading at best. Giving the impression he is really like that. Even thought he want's to portray how it works unfortunatley in almos any job. But didn't work.
I thought for a bit that it was going to be his "arc" in the video, and he'd apologize at the end for being a dick, but then it didn't happen... ...he made a bad vid.
And if you're going to put a mic on your neck, don't fake swallow. Unless you're chugging a giant mug of some sort of beverage, swallowing isn't really that loud.
You probably now know or don’t care, but they got bought over a while ago and like all of their staff got fired including all of your favs, the list of ex employees on Wikipedia is unsettling
Bad stories told badly with characters that aren’t developed so that nobody can identify with them. Watch the original of 12 Angry men. 12 actors in one room for 2 hours. Brilliant!
Movies suck because they are written to appeal to a broad audience, the same reason why "popular" music sucks. Most of the best movies are considered "niche". The Road Warrior 1982 is a good example- it wasn't made for a wide audience.
You are correct. But Hollywood is putting almost all of its money behind a small amount of super high budget films. They can't afford to make anything besides movies that appeal to the mass market. Back in the 1970s and 80s, Hollywood would make a larger amount of medium to low budget movies. Then if one of them got successful, churn out a few sequels for it. This is the formula Hollywood is going to return to eventually, when the mega blockbusters stop being profitable. I'm betting on Star Wars and Avatar as being the IPs that break Hollywood.
J.J. Abrams came up with his 'mystery box' explanaition to obfuscate the fact the guy is great in writing a set up, but not a pay off. Abrams has never written or constructed a decent pay-off or ending in his whole fucking career. This basically makes him a hack to all the other great writers and directors out there.
The worst plot for a movie would be to include a "I need a drink" skit that lasts from the first few seconds of the movie to the last second of the movie. Yeah, that would be the worst.
Still not as bad as Luke and Leia explaining 30 years of off-screen plot in a forced and completely awkward scene. And at worse it fucks up 12 minute youtube video, not a franchise and story loved by 4 generations.
- ironically, you're supposed to think the bit with the cup is stupid. It's also a metaphor. Your comment and all the people who up voted it are exactly the shallow thinking people who movie execs are both pandering to and ripping off with bad movies that have good marketing.
Except maybe the point of the video was to deliberately swap the names to emphasize how forgettable and pointless the whole ordeal was. Kyle Reese basically takes John's place in the film. Kyle just helps make John and saves Sarah through the first film. John then becomes the hero. In this, they make Kyle out to be the hero who stops Skynet and demonize John as a Skynet drone.
Did anyone find the gasoline comment even remotely funny? Such bad attempts at a joke serve only to reduce the strength of the underlying critic/msg this video was trying to make.
Gene Constantinou I didn't. I thought the ultimate outcome was going to be him realizing he was being a dick and apologizing, or something along those lines. You know, in opposition to what movies are doing now, according to him. I think the "joke" was supposed to be how unfunny it was, because it was following the 5 things he laid out. But he either didn't set it up well or can't act sufficiently to pull it off. Or both.
StarWarsomnia that wouldn't be a joke. A joke involves a subversion of expectations, if he followed his own advice on character arcs, that would just be the logical course of events. At the end, it's double-subverted, because we've come to associate the cup with hypocrisy, but then he outright tells us what it was supposed to be, because fuck mystery boxes. You needn't find it funny, but it's not really a difficult structure to follow.
The funny thing about deleted or cut scenes, is that you rewatch the theatrical release and you can find useless scenes that made the cut instead... And people are getting paid a lot to decide which scene goes and which does not.
All this degenerate writing started with the mother of spun out storytelling: LOST. This taught executives that you could grasp an audience with a non explanatory storyline and keep it going indefinitely. (Basically until it fizzles out)
Twin Peaks. That's got to be the prototype for this approach in US television series. But then it was cool in Twin Peaks - to travel hopefully is better than to arrive. Apparently the original plan was that the identity of Laura Palmer's killer was never going to be found, and I think the series would have been much better that way. The fact that Mulholland Drive didn't get to be a TV series, made it the self contained masterpiece it is, as a film. However, films with ambiguous or uncertain endings, left open to interpretation (like the traditional Japanese ghost story), are not the same as movies that end with loose ends in the hope of a sequel...
Yes, I hated Lost for just that reason. Supposed to be "unscripted" but just no Pro (good) scriptwriters. The eternal drama that never resolves. It just annoyed me, like that Superboy one: no risk. You just knew despite all little Lexie's bluster that little Clark makes it (because he grew up).
Danger Darth However TLJ answers everything (except Snokes backstory), is the second of three films and has an ending. So this critique doesn't really apply.
No xD It drops everything that was built up by TFA and most of the things makes no sense: - Everything in Kanto Bight (just doing it for politics). - Holdo just keeping secrets to keep secrets (made no sense, and why did not Admiral Akhbar have her role instead of going out like a bitch?). - The ship waiting for Leia after being shot out, even though it's being hunted by The First Order... - Tearing down every character trait Luke ever had. - And soooo much more.
Benjamin Krupp Oh really? Because Rey, Finn, Poe, and Rose had such interesting back stories and character arcs? Or Luke and Kylo had ones that made even an ounce of reasonable sense? No. The movie was retarded.
Filip Orvik Agreed. TLJ felt as if TFA had never happened. Apart from Rey's training with Luke, there was little continuity between the 2 films (compared to ANH & TESB and geez, dare I say it.....TPM & AOTC.) TFA introduced Finn's character and kicked off what could have been a great duo between he and Rey, but because it ended with Rey separated from Finn, we now have to introduce a new character (Rose) to tag along with Finn on a completely unrelated and irrelevant adventure. You would think Finn would be worried sick about Rey, considering she went off in search of Luke without him. But oh well.....let's go do this new subplot instead that will ultimately play no vital role in the story. Speaking of which, the imagination in TLJ was so limited I felt insulted. Why does a casino & race track a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away look a modern day Earth Vegas casino? Why are all the aliens wearing tuxedos? TLJ was IMO, the worst SW film to date. It managed to stoop lower than the prequels by leaps and bounds; mainly due to it's "Abrams Trek" approach to space battles & action sequences and it's cringe-worthy attempts at Guardians of the Galaxy-style humor. (Luke brushing off his shoulder was just flat out embarrassing; thank goodness the theater was dark).
"They'll explain it in the next one her past is mysterious" That's the literal opposite of what happens in the next one. It's revealed her parents were nobodies she's just some desert hillbilly who is somehow the strongest jedi ever.
It's force balancing itself through her. Men have oppressed women for centuries so the force made her better than Luke a man.... Just kidding it's to keep the story going at a fast pace.
@@volkmakedonii8957 Um what? That's not correct. Before Anakin had training he had no force powers like the Jedi mind trick or telekinesis (Rey did out of nowhere) and he couldn't just pick up a lightsaber and defeat somebody trained in saber combat (like Rey vs Kylo). Don't know what the hell you're talking about
He's highlighting the "mystery box" theme of this video by illustrating that we don't know what's in the cup, and although it's something he does throughout the video, it's not relevant to the content or really that interesting. I thought it was funny how he teased throughout each drink, beginning with "that's definitely not water."
Yes, it doesn't look good, but it has its purpose: the initial "panting" sets up the discourse, the "fake drinking", as pointed out before, isnused to prove a point.
On the idea of the "mystery box" and "backstory" - one movie that used "lack of backstory" and "mystery box" to great effect is "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" (1971, Gene Wilder). We know zip about WW, and it's great. He's a cypher all the way through. Contrast that with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, where Johnny Depp's "Willy" actually shows us his childhood. I *liked* the mystery of WW. I don't want to know about his past. It's better as a mystery.
I know I wasn't the only one. You should see the number of theories, notably that Rey was Obi-Wan's daughter or Palpatine's Granddaughter. For what it's worth, I still like to think that Rey is Anakin's reincarnation.
Very good observations but would have far more impact without making the presenter so overtly obnoxious. If you have to bleep out a bunch of unnecessary profanity...ding...you've made a bad commentary video.
Jack White agreed, although some movies could make up 4. For example the Lord of the rings actually cut out a lot of the story just to fit into three (tom bombadil was completely cut out for example). And sometimes 3 is completely unnecessary (the hobbit). So clearly it depends on the movie in question.
Seriously. The whole thing was unnecessarily annoying. Especially the gulping sounds of him drinking plus the weak sarcasm. That was just uncomfortable as fuck
They haven't explained ANYTHING. Not one shred of why anything is happening, who anybody is, or how this story continues the supposed "unfinished business" of Episode VI - Return of the Jedi has been explained. I would have been fine with this if it was called "Star Wars: The Next Generation" or "Space Adventure with Special Appearances by Jake Skywalker, Han Solo, and Princess Leia," but they called this shit Episodes VII, VIII, and IX so SOME connective tissue, SOME BUILDING upon the Lucas era films would have been appreciated. Instead these movies have deconstructed and unraveled the Lucas era to establish their own storytelling precedent and they've tacked themselves on to a previously established legacy in order to gain a new audience (or to dangle the empty promise of old thrills to the old audience). Mark my words, when all is said and done, this trilogy will go down as the Hobbit trilogy did - quickly forgotten.
Batman v. Superman was more confusing then any movie I've ever seen. and i don't feel like wasting 3 hours watching the uncut version cause I'd probably kill myself
i waited and only saw the uncut version, and it still was a pain to push though (i even gave up on it part way, then finished watching it at another time)
That movie was the most offensive, most disturbing, most disgusting, disappointed, unappreciated, unapologetic, god awful fucking dog shit. It's like watching two puppies being skinned alive by Zack Snyder. I hated this movie from the bottom of my heart. Zack Snyder, Go Fuck Yourself!!
Well the uncut version was the first I watched to begin with. And I did not find it confusing, well a little maybe. But I quit 2 something hours in. Neither having fun nor carrying about what was happening. The villain sucked. The main point of the story - the feud of Superman and Batman, felt artificial. The whole rhythm of the movie was just off. It felt like the the script had been doctored so many times with so many different ideas going on that it became impossible to make it an intriguing whole.
How about the way Hollywood is set up? Corporations, who haven’t studied the art and insanely difficult craft of writing and storytelling, dictating to writers what should be written? Instead of writers writing from passion.
That has happened before. Hollywood had a golden age in which they got away with all kinds of nonsense, but still cared about making good movies. Movies that won't be shown anymore today. Controversial movies. (As well as serials, but we don't want to remember those.) It had a silver age, in which the big studios that had grown out of that era were competing against each other with their franchises, but also against that newfangled evil that turns your kids into serial killers, television. And people stopped going to the cinema, and the franchise model had to be re-worked, and the studios didn't understand why the audience wouldn't want to see the same movie over and over again, year after year, even with a new cast and title and everything, when it did so well the first time. So Hollywood took a big risk, and let directors make the movies that they wanted to make. To their shock and horror those were movies that dealt with controversial issues. And they did well. It was the era of the "young wild ones". So they tried to copy the formula. They made movies that ticked every checkbox of what was different about the new school of movies: Nudity, overt references to sex and sexuality, profanity, dirt. Mind you, none of these things were actually new, but they hadn't been seen in cinemas for generations. Needless to say, the attempt at copying a non-existent formula failed. But it was the beginning of a new era in Hollywood. That was then. And what had happened back then is happening again. To a tee.
Watch the movie "Idiocracy". Where the hit movie of the year is a film called "ASS". It's two hours of a man farting. And the audience is wild about it.
Read The Marching Morons, idiocracy is a bad movie with a good premise. Unintentional or not, the movie is actually making fun of you for thinking the movie is good. It might be controversial though because of the eugenics but idiocracy is also lowkey eugenics advocacy (well it is based on the marching morons after all but absolutely ruined by its execution and the removal of nearly everything that made TMM good.) Harrison Bergeron is also another short story (I say short story but it has less pages than a comic book) that demonstrates the dystopian future of what we're seeing now with forcing equality of outcome to the extreme.
They certainly are OP . People still think rey is a Mary Sue despite TWO films spelling it out as to why she isn't a Mary Sue. Like really being blatant about it in ways Lukes backstory can only dream of. And still nope. Still they believe she is a Mary Sue. I think next film there gonna have to put up text explaining everything for those poor folk.
Why would Superman fly away after an explosion? Shouldn’t he stay and help rescue potential survivors, remove rubble, crowd control, and/or get people to emergency services!? The problem w/ Batman v Superman isn’t the lacking of information or scenes, it’s that the characters are awful and the plot is contrived.
No DC has created one of the most compelling characters it's just that the movie wasn't well thought out and was convoluted and wasn't given respect by the people who made the movie
@@nihaalsandim9986 The problem is that they haven't created "one" compelling character. Each writer, each interpretation, each version, makes a different take on Superman. Even "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way?" and "Superman vs. the Elite" are different, because they have different takes on the character. Superman is the ideal person to everyone who writes him, and he's the untouchable ideal. So we all make him who we want to be, or who we believe we can't become. And that differs for everyone on Earth.
What you said about character arcs is so true! The original Jurassic Park is one of my favorite movies for a lot of reasons: the effects are great because they look real, the characters learn and change in subtle ways, there's an interesting lesson behind it all. Jurassic World had none of those things. Thank you for this great summation of what's wrong with movies these days!
Jacob Opstad no saying it's not important but the dinosaurs where the focus 4 everyone they didn't need to bother with plot im glad they did but they easily could of just had any old rubbish.
Jurassic World had the same emphatic focus on the dinosaurs. They even included that mind-blowing megasized underwater one (I can't remember the name...). Still, there is an obvious difference between the two movies, and, to me, it all comes down to the details (like backstory around how the dinosaurs were cloned, the subtle character arcs, the realistic animatronics, the healthy blend of humor, tenderness and terror, etc.)
I'm assuming that the whole cup thing was an ironic attempt to illustrate the points you were making, i.e, a pointless mystery backed up by lack of development and zero payoff which leaves the audience feeling irritated and like you wasted their time. Good job, was defiantly irritating... and the video would have been far better if you had just removed it.
Let me add the things you forgot: 1. Too many SJW interferance. 2. The cringy love arcs between the hero and his bimbo 3. Bad writing and poor directing 4. Directors go YOLO in creating their own interpretation of the movie WITHOUT consulting lore masters messing with canon. 5. Using nostalgic references for cashgrab And many more.
There's still good original movies coming out. A Quiet Place, Coco, and MCU movies to name a few. (You could argue that Endgame relies on nostalgia, but I think it's more payoff than nostalgia.)
There are more movies made today than ever before. Ratios will tell you that means there are also more good and original films being made now than any time in the past. **Specifically big budget blockbusters is where the quality has dipped significantly, but there are plenty of great films out there. Go and find them, don't be spoon feed mainstream turd sandwiches.
Matt Sobby no.. just because there are more, doesn't mean that there are subsequently more good movies. quantity/quality would be much more applicable. the fact that there are so many more movies being made, all the bad ideas that would have been previously passed upon actually get made. and with so much media saturation, new ideas are harder to come by. therefore, STATISTICALLY, there are intact more crap movies. not to mention the general decline in even basic intelligence and abstract original thought within the movie going populace, which makes stupid movies profitable as long as people are aware of their existence, they'll watch it because it's there..
I don't think that's really true. We don't remember big blockbusters that were not successful/enduring in popular culture, hence we get the impression that all or most blockbusters in the past were good. Remember films like Waterworld? Spy Kids? Mrs. Doubtfire? Go back through most of the last 30 years of film for top grossers and at least a third are blockbusters you either barely remember, were critical flops or both. Although i suppose it depends on how you define 'blockbusters'.
I have noticed that movies are looking more and more like X-box games (Or whichever console is current). in 2018, I made it my mission to NOT see any prequels, sequels, remakes, reboots, or movies based on comic book superheroes. It has become quite the challenge. I checked what was playing near me (we have two cinemas in town) and of the 18 films on offer, only ONE qualified as original. Skyscraper. So we went to see it, and it sucked. It looks like an x-box game. I would have actually gone to sleep if it weren't for the CONSTANT explosions. Also, like many films I've seen this year, it was TOO DAMN DARK. I mean actually not bright enough. As in, you can't see WTF is going on! I left with a headache. I hate film this year. save me. Thank you.
While I respect your Noble goal; watch Mission Impossible 6 and Planet of the Apes 2017, Logan, Blade runner, all those are objectively good. Not all sequels suck; mostly only the superhero sequels
THERE ARE ONLY 3 REASONS WHY MOVIES ARE SHIT. 1. THEY ARE ONLY MADE FOR KIDS NOW A DAYS. 2. THEY CARE MORE ABOUT CGI THAN STORY. 3. NOBODY TAKES RISKS AND WRITES NEW STORIES EVERYONE JUST COPIES WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING TO PLAY IT SAFE. Back in the day there was variety. Variety is the spice of life.
1. True but irrelevant. The 90s may have had Disney films but it was the worst time for kids films overall. I remember not being able to go to movie theaters frequently until the early/mid-2000s. Even those films nowadays are starting to drop in quality. If you think lack of frequency is part of growing up, my cousin goes to the movies at the same rate I do now (which is a lot). She's 7. 2. Very true. Best evidence is the Ghost in the Shell movie. It has great visuals but there was no sense to them and the film didn't respect the original culture, philosophy, characters or plot that made the series amazing. 3. This is the true number one. There's been so many reboots, adaptations, and sequels that people are desperate for original content even if it's horrible. It shouldn't have to be this way. It really does boil down to over reliance on franchises due to easy money and it's spreading to our literature too.
That's because parents. After Burton's Batman 1&2 came out parent groups cried out cus those movies scared their kids. It resulted with Schumacher's Batman shit
3. To be fair most stories at its core are all the same, people just tell different variations of it......there really isn't anything new to tell. + Its easier to sell a story that some if not most people are familiar with like comic books because a crap ton of cash has been invested into it so minimizing risk would be wise otherwise studios would go bankrupt & we wouldn't get films. Its easier to take risks when its not your money on the line.
Chrono 1.HOLLYWOOD PRODUCERS ARE COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED FROM THE COMMON AUDIENCE MEMBER. 2. FILMS ARE MADE FOR BRAINLESS, SHALLOW, MATERIALISTIC BUFFOONS. 3.TEST AUDIENCES ARE DRAWN FROM THE AFOREMENTIONED TARGET AUDIENCE.
Whether it's churning out lesser than sequels for a quick cash grab (original planet of the apes sequels), or turning a would be great superhero movie into a two hour toy commercial (Batman and Robin), rebooting an franchise just because of one bad movie (Spiderman-3), or pandering to a culture of the times by having a correct amount of so-and so (Ghostbusters 4) it all boils down to pure greed. Instead of making original, thought provoking movies that can entertain as well as inform, it's apparent that Hollywood panders to the lowest common denominator.
That is not all of the movies though.. some are relatively original (Pacific Rim) to completely original (I don't know any examples at the moment.. please help me).
thumbs up just for the title. Hollywood is pump and dump shithole. gotta start watching low budget movies where the makers actually have to care about the story.
May I point out that ever since the Han Solo movie, suddenly Disney canceled a bunch of their movie plans? Yeah... This guy called it well in advance that what exactly he predicted would happen, did happen. The audience just got tired of too much Star Wars.
Who else crosses their fingers at the start of Cracked videos now, hoping to see a human instead of that godawful music and text nonsense?
manbehindthewires holy shit yes
OMG reading isn't that hard
manbehindthewires just skip the videos on Wednesdays, I'm pretty sure that's when they do text based vids.
Fun With Currency I read every goddamn day and I hate those videos. It isn't because they're hard to read, it's because they're comedically flacid
Fun With Currency reading isn't video content either
Well, maybe if people stopped paying to see every crappy movie that comes out..
IAmAgainst unfortunately a lot of people have little imagination that they don't know how to entertain themselves apart from going to the movies.
I agree. If people stoped watching those idiotic blockbusters, movie studios would change their ways.
***** so we should just except mediocrity??
Please don't make analogies between blockbusters and meat... though it's quite accurate, actually. PS. People don't have the right to eat meat, but let's not get into that.
+ IAmAgainst That's it in a nutshell. Some people say we shouldnt take it so seriously, its just entertainment. I say hell with that! We NEED to take it more seriously, and actually demand quality over quantity!
You forgot that writers seems to have become unable to write dialogue. This even used to be a whole trade.
It's gotten so bad sometimes I don't even notice bad dialogue anymore. It's just the standard.
CyberChrist People in general are forgetting how to talk to each other.
CyberChrist drite
too be fair if they are on the phone its a very small space away. or they might touch type and accidentally go too far across the keyboard.
+Andoc I'm talking about movies. Haven't bought comics in a long time, so I don't know if their standards for writers are as horrible.
Imagine how much more tragic the ending to The Avengers: Infinity War would have been if all the sequels for the characters who were killed weren't already announced...
Far from home wasn't a bad film but you're right.
As the one person on earth that didn't really care for Endgame I wish they'd just left it at the snap. Honestly.
Perfect end to the MCU.
@@joshbouman1654 I too wish it had ended at the snap. It would have been a real twist no one saw coming.
Well infinity war had ending,if you compare it to star wars
Josh Bouman you are not alone. I did not care that much for Endgame. Marvel characters that could have crushed Thanos but for the love of money, did not. Scarlet Witch, Thor, Dr. Strange, Vision, Capt Marvel, Adam Warlock, Black Panther, Hulk, etc. In addition, characters who lived in the comics died on film and worse, characters who died in the comics lived on in the films. It was predictable and it didn’t make any sense.
It seems that all things, instead of being good or art, are becoming services intended to distract and entertain indefinitely.
OR just to make money off the fanbase. That is the more frequent reason IMO. Not many people want to make a great movie these days, but everyone wants to make lots of money ASAP. Similarly, in gaming, you have the INSANE amount of DLC whoring that is taking place. It is truly disgusting.
Point number one ought to have been the constant reliance on having an audience that "knows the story." All these overblown hacks "use" this as an excuse to avoid dealing with large slobbering hunks of character and story.
Point two should have been the "expectation" that because part of a "story" has been in a comic book, dead tree book or something else beyond the film itself "everyone" who will see the movie has already read or knows about all of these outside sources. All of this comes down to an ongoing "quest" to cut down on the work (and the expense) that needs to be undertaken before the first frame of film is shot.
What makes it so awful is that most of the people who are victimized by this schlock method of film-making get drowned out by the howling fan base whenever they complain about it. People who make films will continue to get away with schlock until the people who buy the tickets (at $12-$15 a pop sometimes) howl loudly enough that schlocked up movies start to lose money.
That's what good films are. They're entertainment.
tesseract, good band. better with Ash.
Roci Stone Yes! When you have to explain why something happened or who x character is or why a movie ended in a stupid place to someone who hasn't read the original material they're making a shitty movie.
"They'll explain it in the next movie, her past is mysterious!"
Haha, nope!
TheOtakuX That's what happens when you switch Directors for a sequel where they thought "Oh shit! We forgot Rey's past... How about we make it non existent so we have more time for that casino Chase scene"
I had forgotten that scene... Actually I barely remember the plot or why anyone was doing anything. Really makes ya think... about
It's fascinating what's happening to Star Wars because it's turning out much, much worse than I initially imagined. Bringing back Abrams strikes me as an attempt to "win back" the audience that loved TFA. The problem is that we now have this gaping hole in the middle of the trilogy where the already-shallow worldbuilding was tossed away wholesale. Rather than telling the conclusion of this story, or even simply closing off loose ends, Abrams is now going to spend the vast majority of his time twisting and contorting a story just to dance around the nothingness that was TLJ.
Think about that. Return of the Jedi was able to build off The Empire Strikes back. Revenge of the Sith was able to build off Attack of the Clones. Whatever they'll be calling the next new movie doesn't have that luxury _at all._
TheOtakuX is this a star wars reference.
Violent nomad - truth
the thing I hate the most is when they give away too much in the trailer.
It's called a teaser for a reason. Now a days I feel I don't even need to see the movie. I know everything that is going to happen before hand.
Clay Campbell. You cant see the entirety of a one hour and 30 to 50 minute movie in a 2 minute or less trailer.
Clay Campbell they did the same thing back then with Star Wars and ghostbusters and countless other movies.
Clay Campbell They did that with a lot of old movies though. You would be surprised if you look back at the trailers from your favorite movies from 30 years ago. Sometimes old movie trailers literally showed the last scene in it.
Raymond Mach A good example is how they handled the Soylent Green trailers I think. "What is the secret of Soylent Green?" Well considering going we just saw a body bag and you're asking us about how it's made I think I can figure out the twist.
Tiber Septim But they basically retell the whole movie in that 2 minutes. A trailer is supposed to create intrigue, not give you the cliff notes on all major plot points in the film, or the best jokes, or even the damn twist.
I thought I might have ADHD because at the end of movies I'm always like "did I miss something"?
Yes, that's what ADHD is...
1 word: Executives.
Jamin Schmitt that's 1 word and punctuation
Project Legend Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Big reason. Don't discount the quality of the people doing these scripts. They have no idea what they're doing. Max Landis writes more scripts than anyone and the stuff he writes is pure trash.
Yeah basically, you have business people, and you have artists. It is unusual to meet someone who is both. In theory, the two of them need each other. Not only do the business people provide the money, but they also provide a measure of practicality and keep the artist from spending three times that amount realizing their "vision."
However...
What frequently happens is that the people who hold the purse strings are corporate drones with bags of money where their souls should be who are only able to understand what hu-mans like via a spreadsheet.
Zap Rowsdower Not everything, you see one or two of his films and see him as complete trash now?
He made Chronicle (2012) and some of the episodes for Dirk Gently (2016) which were both quite well done. As for his other works... well, he needs to go back to what worked for him.
Way to work in a hate comment about someone in response to a comment that has nothing even remotely close to doing with him.
Making your own comment would've worked better and spawned more on point conversation of your intended topic.
Interestingly 'Star Wars' was originally a stand alone movie. The end of the movie is an actual end. It's also why there were so many inconsistencies introduced in the following movies as Lucas constantly tried to retcon everything as he changed the stories over and over and over again in his never ending quest to "fix" the movies.
Nope. George Lucas had written two scripts before New Hope came out. One script for if it flopped and one for if it was a success AKA Empire Strikes Back. The wasted script was a cheaper to produce version. Later on it was introduced in a book.
Timothy Hilditch Except Lucas had no idea if he was even going to get another movie. Sure, he had a script already written for a sequel, but just having that script doesn't automatically force a sequel to be made. He had to make Star Wars to be the best he could if he wanted that sequel to happen, i.e. make a self-contained story so nobody hates it for a non-sensical ending. Blue-balling your audience on a movie thats not only a new IP, but has never been seen before on that scale is dumb. He needed that movie to be the success that it was to get that sequel.
Sean Locke This is true! And Star Wars getting sequels that sold like crazy was the beginnings of endless sequelisation and focusing on massive blockbusters over smaller or lower budget movies. That didn't happen overnight but Star Wars definitely contributed to the trends we see today.
Makes so much sense. It always confused me as a kid when Vader said "I have you now young Skywalker" only to go all "No, I am your father" in the sequel. Who did he think Luke was? Skywalker from Ohio?
Does he actually mention/show that he has any knowledge of luke's name in the first movie? I don't think he does.
Reasons why Blockbusters keep getting worse, there's a lot underrated movies people miss.
Yep it seems like as a general rule, the bigger the budget reflects how bad it will end up... Off course there re exceptions.
Anyone see that chris pratt and jennifer lawrence movie passengers? I read the plot online and it's the stupidest thing ive ever read stretched out long enough. It was obviously being "mysterious" to cover up how shitmit was and bank on the popularity of the two leads.
Yeah, Passengers is right up there with that weird ass Monster Trucks film for the most "wtf" films of recent times to get the budgets they did.
I actually found it funny that feminists condemned Passengers as basically a rape film, because Pratt's character "objectifies" Lawrence's character to the point of ejecting her from hibernation to have her with him, forcing her to live out her life with only him on the ship before they ever reach their destination.
Personally I found it really convenient that the ship didn't end up screwing up in other ways and begin to eject anyone else. If a minor issue forced him and Fishburne out, with Fishburne's character also being physically injured fatally by his ejection, how did this not happen to anyone else, and how did other issues not arise in the near century of the voyage to force others from sleep?
It was just a sappy love story that paid no attention to detail, which as you said, Valentine, was banking entirely off star power. It also speaks against Lawrence's credibility as a feminist that she's taken a role other feminists see as basically a Stockholm Syndrome rape victim
It's ironic because I think people just expect the opposite. No one really wants to scan through the indie section or undiscovered stuff on Netflix or their theater. They want the movie with the dazzling trailers and special effects.
I love the practical effects, especially of the 80's .. that's not happening anymore
Same, I’m only 14 and I like older films way more
@Stephan Hey That’s so so true the 80s were truly a golden era for everything not just its great movies.
#Bringbackpracticaleffects
Even the 90s were good, i would say even to the early 2000s.. remeber, gladiator, matrix and stuff like that
Yep. I only watch movies pre 2005. Newer stuff is just a rewash of old movies with crappy actors and special effects. Ex: Remember old horror special effects. Gruesome and realistic. The list goes on and on
Someone needs to talk about the real villains behind all these terrible films made in recent years - us, the audience who still goes to see these monstrosities and waste our time and money on them, even though all our past experiences tell us they will be terrible and ultimately a waste of our resources. Bad movies get made because they are easier to make than good movies and we'll still watch them and help the studios make a crap ton of money. We're the real bad guys.
Fight the power! don't go see a movie if you know (based on experience and good sense) that its going to be bad.
The problem with that mindset is that you could possibly miss out on many interesting or good movies, marketing lies sometimes, the power rangers movie had a really bad trailer that made the movie look like it was going to suck balls, but when I watched it I found it was very well made and managed to capture the silliness of the show but also add more mature elements. I I had used my common sense here, I wouldn't have watched a fun, entertaining movie that made the rest of my day happy. I get what you're saying, but there's always the chance that something is exactly the opposite of what it appears to be.
Edgy.
AlbinoTuxedo This is a great comment, thanks.
poppyseed1987 Well, I'll try.
But i'm only 14 and my dad is movie obsessed, plus drags me everywhere he goes most of the time.
I've stopped going to the cinema, or buying DVDs, I now have a little box that allows me to watch the latest films without paying £50.00 or more for a day at the cinema to see one mediocre but very loud film.
The first 40 seconds were really unnecessary
Joseph Duenas thanks for the warning 😂
Joseph Duenas No... him getting angry at the water glass getter was pretty stupid. Only thing that drives his point home us the parallel to movies. It was pointless schlock played for humor and I wanted to smack him as badly as he wanted to smack his helper...
huinjnunin trxrtcyfuy Doubtful. wasn't funny OR proved a point.
CrystalSearcher He ABSOLUTELY makes some great points but Tom Rieman is funnier.
YES! Cracked actually has some good content in their videos, but it's unfortunate you have to sift through shit like the first 40 seconds, or the stupid ending. It's OK to through funny bits in here and there, but there's nothing funny about the way this begins or ends.
POQ ...profits over quality
The Modern Investor You ABSOLUTELY said that right!!😊🤑
I don't demand perfect story-telling, but for three years now, I have preserved my sanity by refusing to pay to see prequels, sequels, remakes, reboots, or superhero movies. Sometimes that means there is not one single movie I would want to see, and sometimes it means there is only one. Even if that one isn't the greatest, I like to encourage the filmmaker for doing something original. All good wishes for 2020!
"all good wishes to 2020"
Welp
Amazon Prime has a nice selection of real independent films made for a budget that wouldn’t pay for catering on a Hollywood movie. It’s hit and miss but some of them are very good. I saw one about a programmer who gets involved with aliens and it was amazingly good. There were details about programming and quantum theory that were actually correct, the characters were believable, the hero was flawed but likable and the plot kept you guessing right to the end. I’m with you, no more sequels, prequels, and also for me no more movies based on comic books… you’ve seen one sky beam you’ve seen them all.
Anton Nym that's very interesting. Whenever these prequels, sequels, and superhero movies are announced, they get a lot of attention even though it's clear that these movies aren't that deep and relevant to deserve such attention while better and more thought provoking movies are not given the publicity they deserve. The only way to end this is to support these other films so they get made more instead of these garbage superhero/Disney flicks.
Characters don't have to be likeable they just have to be interesting. Everything else I agree completely with.
well we do have to be rooting for them so they kinda do have to be likeable. if the main charachters, protagonist and antagonist alike, arent likeable then we dont care about what happens to them and it takes all the tension out of the movie
devina yeah but that also can get you traped in the Protagonist must always win/be a good guy cliche
as a writer you got to be okay with your character failing or disappointing maybe even hurting you're audience
I think the applicable term may be "relatable." So that we empathize with the character by putting ourselves in their shoes and kind of live through them for a moment. However , there have been some interesting characters that are fucking insufferable and it takes me out of the movie. Ever watch Sex and the City?
+Devina Coleman Patrick Bateman.
you know what, thats a good point. relatable is a much better word. thanks :) ill retract my pevious statement.i have actually avoided sex in the city like plauge because it seems awful. but yeah your point still stands
What's also killing movies is the assumption that everything will get a sequel automatically.
One movie ruined by that assumption? The Golden Compass. The first of a trilogy that actually had good stand-alone novels with an overall plot arc, but because the producers automatically assumed there was gonna be a sequel they cut off the ending of the first book completely leaving a shitty movie behind. They could've ended the first book's plot, briefly introduce Will from the second story like the original book did and boom, hook viewers for a sequel. Instead the first movie bombed at the box office because it was incomplete, sequel never happened.
Hollywood stop assuming everything will get a damn sequel and using that as an excuse to make a shitty movie!
Jennifer Douglas Just watched "Warcraft", same problem....:-p
Patrick O'Rourke na, the movie itself was the problem
Having read the novels I knew Golden Compass was never getting a sequel. Golden Compass had quite a bit of anti christian values bits in it that they mostly managed to gloss over in the film.... The Subtle Knife basically turns around and gives christianity the middle finger. There was no way they were going to be allowed to make that film unless they did it in a country where christianity was not much of a thing... and then they'd never get it brought over to the states.
Forest Grump They're not really Christian themes if someone feels so strongly against them. Most of Christendom's religions do not teach what the Bible says, but rather the early churches began to drift from Bible teachings, adopting popular philosophies and pagan teachings (i.e. hellfire, immortality of the soul, trinity, etc). Most Christians don't know what the Bible teaches, and their pastors won't tell them even though many know, because if they did, then they would have to get real jobs to support themselves, and clean up their conduct. Christendom supports patriotism (We rock, you don't), wars, premarital sex, divorce without merit, so called "minor" sins, and the list goes on. Most of the so called Christian holidays are rooted in paganism too. My point is, most people don't know what the Bible really teaches, and it would be inaccurate to get your details from commonly taught beliefs.
The bible means picking and choosing whatever you or society thinks is right for the time, leaving out the rest, and believing in lies like the virgin birth, which was a part of many other religions before being written into Christianity too as a good religion needs a virgin.
I definitely liked when movies ended.
What about Murder on the Orient Express? It was phenomenal.
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IcyHot LUKEwarm it was shit
IcyHot LUKEwarm I was about to reply but then didn’t but then read your reply so I will .... that movie is based on an amazing novel by Agatha Christie. She wrote MANY amazing novels. Her stories are all considered classic literature. I love classic lit. Read it everyday. A lot of classic lit ends that way bc it is more of an intellectual experience than to sit and watch a movie and allows he author to leave the reader with something to think on. I feel like too many movie producers writers whatever now a days want to pull from these classic literature stories and don’t pull it off in a way to allow for such endings and the mass general viewers be satisfied by this type of finish.
I'm so glad JJ gets called out for his mystery box bullshit! I remember clenching my fist in anger while watching his farce of Ted talk, thinking back of Lost and his other works, as if he's just proud of telling us "when I'm writing create threads that I will never resolve and I'll never tell you what happened, and you're gonna like it!". Now THAT's writing talent, heh?
His parents are movie bigwigs so, basically they gifted him with a career. Unfortunately, that seems to be how Hollywood "works" these days: it's filled with talentless nepo-babies who've been told they're awesome from before they could understand human speech. And, like most people who didn't develop normally, now they've become everyone's problem.
This contains so many good points ruined by the time-wasting comedy video format. If they did it as a text article it would be very shareable.
Isaac Marion Yes the "comedy" waa just awful.
Why try and cram as many jokes per second into a video when an ordinary explanation would do?
Your comedy sucks but you made great points
There was comedy in this video?
except for the poiints he made there was nothing memorable
Foxi! Anything that he said that wasn’t about movies he was trying to make a joke.
Ah come on the Clown poop was a liiittle bit funny.
DJANGO In your opinion, glad you could find something funny in it though.
Yeah, everything he said or did that was not actually related to the topic of the video was cringy and annoying (namely, the cup jokes).
Auteurs with actual vision have been replaced by 'yes' men who obey writing committees and marketing strategists.
“It's more than magnificent - it's mediocre.” - Samuel Goldwyn
+Talalay99, I had this feeling about the Last Jedi.
Horseshit. Thor Ragnarok, a massive blockbuster Marvel superhero movie, was done by Taika Waititi, an auteur of the highest order.
Yeah cause those Flash Gordon serials from the 40s and 50 Police Academy sequels where such high art no lazy cash grab there.
Item #2 is really the most important one. If the characters at the end of the movie are exactly the same people as they were when the picture started, you haven't really told a story. And that means (ding sound)...
If a character points out how shitty your film is, it just makes him amazing at CinemaSins.
**ding**
i never noticed the bald spot before
OXOTNHK d'Distro Hahaha neither did I!
LEAVE BALD MEN ALONE
OXOTNHK d'Distro
Who cares?
bald shaming is bad 😂
Movies are basically taking the worst cue from the video-game industry:
"Eh, we'll just patch it after it after we release it. Then we'll have a deluxe edition with all the DLC they already paid for".
Yeah, that's a pretty good comparison.
Same thing with the sequel/reboot nightmare we're living through right now. People who grew up paying $60 for a COD game every year are probably also the ones paying $10 to see another generic superhero movie every month.
That or its cheap padding to justify making a whole other movie so people have to pay more money just to find out why something in the first movie happened.
Good catch,,, your on to somthing
Haha! True! I wonder why theyre so connected 🤔
Stop watching hollywood. Problem solved.
Chinawood is better
I dont think that movies are getting worse i just think the bad ones are the only ones that are being advertised and everything.
And i dont mean that every movie that is heavily advertised are only bad.
yeah. 2016 had some really good movies that I enjoyed. Warcraft, Ratchet and Clank and Zootopia were entertaining so was Storks when you look back at it. just because they release another Superman movie and another Starwars does not mean those are the only movies that matter.
I can agree with this. LaLaLand was really good and took a big artistic risk with their ending and I liked it all the more for that. I think it's because it was a film made to communicate a vision as opposed to just existing to smash box office records.
Television used to be what movies are today, sucking a concept dry until audiences got bored and moved on to something new. Now good tv shows are plotted out (like breaking bad or game of thrones) to have a beginning, a middle, and an end. They have meaningful character arcs and more time to develop a narrative than movies do. The better tv shows are like visual novels. They're smoking movies.
Karen Holmes, Aww...you had such a good point until you mentioned Game of Thrones. I will completely agree with you on Breaking Bad but GoT seems to have gone the way of story by committee where no one seems to really know how it should end or if they even want it to.
Silly antics aside, this should really be required viewing for all major studios
Johnny Fiction we could also replace them. There's more to filmmaking than Hollywood.
There's nothing in your cups.
Air
Bleach.
I wish
Or vodka... which WOULD explain a lot of things..
Robert Drake he's drinking pure nonafrenniated refrenishing Slack
Robert Drake #CrackedSoWhite
This video has way too many interruptions to try to be funny.
When you are going to bitch about movies with a strong fan base and made obscene amounts of money, he couldn't say, those movies sucked and you are a terrible person for watching them.
Agreed
boitahaki cracked, in a nutshell
boitahaki
It’s a sarcasm in contrast with the explanations that he is giving.
Mystery boxes can be okay, if they're done well. I enjoy a good mystery.
JD1010101110 he uses one from waybackwhen, but most of them that I've seen nowadays are worth more than what you pay for them. (plus, for me it brings back that "magical feeling" of christmas that I've lost as an adult)
JD1010101110 I loved LOST until I saw jj Abrams ted talk about mystery boxes.
Pink Taylor I think the opposite lol I'm probably wrong but I think of mystery boxes like not seeing the shark in jaws until the end as good, but not seeing the super 8 monster until the end as gimmicky lol
I like the idea but I think JJ's work is more like a mystery box done wrong. It's when the "mystery" is basically a McGuffin. I really had that feeling with shows like Fringe and Lost but you can find that in other shows like Pretty Little Liars for instance (I think that's one of the best examples). It's when a mystery is stretched over seasons, only there to keep you watching another episode, but in the end the revelation isn't good, sastifying or just doesn't makes sense after all those seasons and episodes. The mystery isn't what's important, every time the show should revealed everything.... it doesn't. No. Maybe in the next episode.
The only real "Mystery" to 2/3rds of the garbage that passes for movies these days is who was stupid enough to "greenlight" them in the first place.
Cody Johnston reminds me of a guy who used to work at my local Blockbuster; instead of just taking my money, he would take 5 minutes to criticize me for renting whatever video game I wanted. Rampage wasn't a waste of my weekend, man!
chuck cascio how the hell did he not get fired and replaced?
This video had great content but it was almost ruined by the attempt at humour.
Not to mention the hard left turn at Albuquerque they made at the end that came out of nowhere, “thank you for watching a video about the state of the movie industry, now go listen to our podcast about how the nuclear family is bullsh*t!”
TransformsInto AGuitar Almost? 😂
Roman Flores: He really nailed it, when it comes to ruining a presentation . . .
Truth that.
Ben Hunter "hard left"? You know the church has only talked family values since the 60s before that it preached being a virgin with no spouse or kids made you spiritually superior and took plenty of kids away from their parents to be raised by church run institutions. "Any man who hate not his father cannot is unworthy to be my disciple".
"They'll explain it in the next movie, her past is mysterious". That worked out well.
"You have to establish things before you try to subvert our expectations. It doesn't matter how good your twist is if we never even started to care about the characters involved in it."
I totally hated star wars the force awakens for that same reason, Rey had absolutely no training and defeated a trained kylo ren like it was nothing, that and so many cringey moments as well
Minor spoilers!! i have just a slight problem with this, im hoping assuming you have seen the latest episode of star wars but this is actually explained in the latest film. The supreme Leader explains to kylo why he is unfit for the dark side as he was defeated by a completely untrained Rey, and they explore more of this, we dont know who her parents are. This is the allure of the new episodes, how is she controlling the force?? Rey is similar to Luke as he was a junker, Anakin was a slave, they all came from meager beginnings.
Yeah Luke had almost no training, and he blew up a space station. Doesn’t make it a bad film.
Kygo was badly injured. They explicitly showed the power of chewys blaster so that you could understand that he was hurt
Rey grew up hearing stories of Luke Skywalker and what he did with the force, and the feats of Han Solo, Leia and Chewie and had some idea of what the force was and what it can do, Luke did not, he was purposely given little to no information about his father or the force until Obi Wan told him.
Kylo Ren was hot headed during the fight, had already taken a blaster shot to the side and had fought Finn (who was trained in close quarters combat), Rey got the upper hand because of these outside factors in their fight.
I like that there are comments calling bullshit on that argument. The Force is a literal magic plot device to explain why the heroes can do implausible shit, & the main take home in A New Hope is that you use it by feeling & trusting in it. Every Star Wars movie stars a character who has unusual strength in it, mastering skills after minimal practice, essentially just because. Having such a petty, oft-debunked gripe really weakened the video's argument.
"I don't even have time to explain, why I don't have time to explain..." Garbage
Oh yeah, having extra info that would make ur story make sense that can be found outside the median aka another website or deleted scenes... garbage
That was from a College Humor skit right? With the wizard?
Jebradiah Drake it's originally from Destiny
GenJotsu İ'll explain in expansion pack 3,4 whatever paid for, whichever one.😁
And even then you don't get the explanation.
the guy was trying too hard to be funny. but he had really good points.
Only about the deleted scenes and movies not "ending" the rest was a dickhead blowing up tiny issues, it's pathetic and petty.
As soon as I see him on a cracked vid I just hit the back button.
BenignAndaHalf just like your comment. And mine shit.
Fred Novak thanks i was left feeling greatful and angry just like talking to a high school social worker
Really? I didn't think he was trying too hard. He seemed fine for me.
Maybe you can do a video about the generic style of comedy used in every youtube video nowadays.
That would really help..
In my opinion it's because more and more movies are made to appeal to the wider audience.
In a nutshell, Star Wars today is made to appeal to people who mocked star wars fans until recently. Same with reboot of Star Trek, Star Trek 2009 had nothing to do with what Star Trek was about in the past.
by appealing to more audience, your movie loses its value on the initial audience. This then causes a washed down, kinda boring movie with some of everything and all of nothing
I don't think it's possible, it's hard to make any decent plot if 90% of the movie consists of shooting and explosions.
Considering Star Trek was originally run by a preachy asshole, it's either an improvement or full circle
No. Star Wars was made for general audiences, everyone from the Greatest Generation on til now has grown up with scifi and fantasy stories. They’ve appealed mostly to children, but as baby boomers grew up they wanted to pay homage to their childhood.
So you get George Lucas making Star Wars because he couldn’t get the rights to Flash Gordon
The classic horror, comedy, action and adventure films of films were all big hits with general audiences
Cult classics, not so much, but how many people reading this have seen Buckaroo Banzai or The People Under the Stairs, Dead Alive?
My point here is that the quality of film is worse not because of “wider audiences,” but for reasons like this video mentions
Gatekeeping shitbag.
here's a mystery box for you, swearing doesn't make you funnier
Go to bed grandpa!
i'm completely ok with swearing, its just that when the only thing that makes you "funny" is that you swear a lot, it's not actually funny
Agreed. One reason _Bojack Horseman_ is so brilliant is the writers only allow one F-Bomb per season so when they do use it, it really exemplifies the scene into being so much more. Amazing how a rinky dink cartoon is putting so many Hollywood blockbusters to shame.
That isn't a mystery box.
thallesregis
I think what he means is most writers think swearing automatically makes something more than what it usually is. Unfortunately this isn't really the case it most cases use swearing so much that it loses any impact on the audiences.
As a lifelong Star Wars fan, I’ve found that I’ve started to miss the “dark years”, when everybody assumed Star Wars was dead and never coming back, compared to what we have now. And the more I view Star Wars as something that started in 1977 and ended in 1985, the more I appreciate the franchise overall. Everything released after 1985 is just a reaction to Star Wars’ success and did not actually contribute to that success.
Also the “dramatic” Khan reveal in Star Trek: Into Darkness makes no sense whatsoever in the context of that story. Besides, why would a time-travel event in the 23rd century cause an Indian guy from the 20th century to turn into a British guy?
Nathan Rosario Darth Vader should have had it's on franchise
Nathan Rosario
i'm 45. my childhood was spent in small rural towns of 100 ppl w/ rabbit ears for "cable", watching "Sesame Street", "Star Trek", & "MASH". my folks LOVED "Star Trek/Wars". "Into Darkness" was so foreign to me, (although i saw all the films growing up) that i *LITERALLY, dramatically, SAID* : "Khan who?", lol. my thinking was: "A relative of Genghis Khan?? Why'd that guy say that so dramatically??? i mean, there was, Ricardo Montalban's "KHAN!!!" when i was like 10 or something, but, that was iconic. So, wtf?" Wow! What a f****d up answer!! i told my Mom: "The force is strong w/ the 'even/odd-numbered Star Trek movie number curse' in "Into Darkness"! Do NOT watch it!" LOL.
Although, i DID love ST: TNG.
To be fair, the prequels weren't all that bad. They didn't fall into many of the trappings outlined in this video, and frankly, they added simple, concise, and interesting backstory to how the Empire and Rebellion of the original trilogy came to be. AND they had some really incredible action scenes and lightsaber duels (see the Darth Maul/Obi Wan/Qui Gon fight from Phantom Menace). The sequels though? Terrible movies. Disney wrecks everything it touches. Pretty much falls into every trap outlined in this video, fails to make coherent stories, and for some reason had to make Star Wars feel exactly like a Marvel film, anti-climactic humor and all.
It's better for people to ask "Why'd you leave?" rather than "Why havent you left?"
When the news came down about the 'new' SW movie I remember my first reaction was more wondering what it might look like on the IMAX screen. Hated cute little Anikin, you almost had the feeling there was going to be a talking doll. [shudder]
I only watch Inde films now the only Hollywood films I watch are mostly pre 2010s. Honestly Inde films are like the only good films being produced nowadays I've become a fan after binge watching a lot of independent thrillers and horrors on Netflix The writing is SO much better and less cliche they talk like real people and the plots are rarely ever boring. And often take unexpected turns compared to what you may think. I fell in love with Circle (2015)
These inde films are infinitely more better with less budget than a Hollywood film often have a budget less than ten million dollars I find.
I liked Force Awakens but "butt hole eyed she yoda" will rest with me until I have pennies on my eyes.
It was funnier when Honest Trailers made the same joke
I fell asleep in the theater & got woken up by people screaming when han solo died ... then i went back to sleep .
Did anyone else read that as penises on my eyes?
phreakinpher I definitely did. Am I gray?
Jm3 I did
The drink/being mean to the intern bit isnt landing
On top of that degrading at best. Giving the impression he is really like that. Even thought he want's to portray how it works unfortunatley in almos any job. But didn't work.
Yet millenials hate being called "entitled".
I thought for a bit that it was going to be his "arc" in the video, and he'd apologize at the end for being a dick, but then it didn't happen...
...he made a bad vid.
StarWarsomania
😘 i LOVE you 4 that comment!
And if you're going to put a mic on your neck, don't fake swallow. Unless you're chugging a giant mug of some sort of beverage, swallowing isn't really that loud.
All good points but could've done without all the lame jokes in between.
Draven Perhaps No Jokes At All. That Would Be So Much Better.
Draven As Well The Subliminal Messages, Why Not Tell Us Straight Forward About Whats Going on, Not Through Symbols.
Whut
steve s Whuuuut.
I have no problem with these trying to be entertaining at the same time as informative.
Soo...what's the reason why Cracked keeps getting worse?
You probably now know or don’t care, but they got bought over a while ago and like all of their staff got fired including all of your favs, the list of ex employees on Wikipedia is unsettling
Bad stories told badly with characters that aren’t developed so that nobody can identify with them. Watch the original of 12 Angry men. 12 actors in one room for 2 hours. Brilliant!
If I have to hear that fake weird swallow sound effect one more time...
detubeme I almost chucked my phone but I wanted to finish the video.
detubeme I couldn't finish watching this video just because of that reason. Lol! I stopped at 7 minutes. Done 😂😜
i checked the comments just to see if it was only me that was the only one who was bothered by that
Fucking desgustung
Movies suck because they are written to appeal to a broad audience, the same reason why "popular" music sucks. Most of the best movies are considered "niche". The Road Warrior 1982 is a good example- it wasn't made for a wide audience.
You are correct. But Hollywood is putting almost all of its money behind a small amount of super high budget films. They can't afford to make anything besides movies that appeal to the mass market. Back in the 1970s and 80s, Hollywood would make a larger amount of medium to low budget movies. Then if one of them got successful, churn out a few sequels for it. This is the formula Hollywood is going to return to eventually, when the mega blockbusters stop being profitable. I'm betting on Star Wars and Avatar as being the IPs that break Hollywood.
J.J. Abrams came up with his 'mystery box' explanaition to obfuscate the fact the guy is great in writing a set up, but not a pay off. Abrams has never written or constructed a decent pay-off or ending in his whole fucking career. This basically makes him a hack to all the other great writers and directors out there.
I agree with this dude, but he is very nearly unwatchable.
I kept thinking he might be related to Seth Green, I don't know why.
I think that’s this channel in a nutshell
Why?
@@marksweeney2018 yeah.
agreed his jokes makes me want to gouge my eyeballs out
The worst plot for a movie would be to include a "I need a drink" skit that lasts from the first few seconds of the movie to the last second of the movie. Yeah, that would be the worst.
F Mills
1. Millenial humor
2. Social Justice pandering
3. Overuse of "meta"
4. Pretentiousness
5. No commitment to theme
Still not as bad as Luke and Leia explaining 30 years of off-screen plot in a forced and completely awkward scene.
And at worse it fucks up 12 minute youtube video, not a franchise and story loved by 4 generations.
F Mills are you seriously trying to discredit the points made in this vid with that? Pathetic
- ironically, you're supposed to think the bit with the cup is stupid. It's also a metaphor. Your comment and all the people who up voted it are exactly the shallow thinking people who movie execs are both pandering to and ripping off with bad movies that have good marketing.
You are right, funny it works in a youtube video tho.
Kyle reese, not john Connor, but who cares really
You beat me to it.
you're completely right... but did anyone get enthralled enough with that movie to remember?
you could swap the places of all the characters from that movie and it would still make the same sense.
In his defense Kyle Reese was a bad ass, and John Conner was the whinny bitch.
Except maybe the point of the video was to deliberately swap the names to emphasize how forgettable and pointless the whole ordeal was. Kyle Reese basically takes John's place in the film. Kyle just helps make John and saves Sarah through the first film. John then becomes the hero. In this, they make Kyle out to be the hero who stops Skynet and demonize John as a Skynet drone.
It's your sequels, Marty, something's got to be done about your sequels.
dont you put that evil on me
"This box has never been opened"
Me: Nah, I totally see the old tape covered with new tape. You're bad at lying.
Because filmmakers want to experiment more with visuals and not story.
And because they want money.
Max Robbins You can do both
The one with a vision has a story. The studio can do visuals. They just need to agree on how they go together :-D
Fuck em
and no, that's not true btw. Shitty filmmakers, yes. Not real ones
Did anyone find the gasoline comment even remotely funny? Such bad attempts at a joke serve only to reduce the strength of the underlying critic/msg this video was trying to make.
Gene Constantinou I didn't. I thought the ultimate outcome was going to be him realizing he was being a dick and apologizing, or something along those lines. You know, in opposition to what movies are doing now, according to him.
I think the "joke" was supposed to be how unfunny it was, because it was following the 5 things he laid out. But he either didn't set it up well or can't act sufficiently to pull it off. Or both.
Gene Constantinou ALL the jokes in this vid sucked.
StarWarsomnia that wouldn't be a joke. A joke involves a subversion of expectations, if he followed his own advice on character arcs, that would just be the logical course of events. At the end, it's double-subverted, because we've come to associate the cup with hypocrisy, but then he outright tells us what it was supposed to be, because fuck mystery boxes. You needn't find it funny, but it's not really a difficult structure to follow.
I didn't find it funny either but your dislike of the joke made me find it funny afterwards
Didn't enjoy any of this guys material. Really off putting. Just wanted him to get to the movie shit.
The funny thing about deleted or cut scenes, is that you rewatch the theatrical release and you can find useless scenes that made the cut instead... And people are getting paid a lot to decide which scene goes and which does not.
All this degenerate writing started with the mother of spun out storytelling: LOST. This taught executives that you could grasp an audience with a non explanatory storyline and keep it going indefinitely. (Basically until it fizzles out)
What about every David Lynch movie?
David Lynch films were self contained. No sequels. I can't speak for Twin Peaks though, I haven't seen it.
Twin Peaks. That's got to be the prototype for this approach in US television series. But then it was cool in Twin Peaks - to travel hopefully is better than to arrive. Apparently the original plan was that the identity of Laura Palmer's killer was never going to be found, and I think the series would have been much better that way. The fact that Mulholland Drive didn't get to be a TV series, made it the self contained masterpiece it is, as a film. However, films with ambiguous or uncertain endings, left open to interpretation (like the traditional Japanese ghost story), are not the same as movies that end with loose ends in the hope of a sequel...
LOST ??
What's that ?
Never heard of it.
Have I missed something here ?
Yes, I hated Lost for just that reason. Supposed to be "unscripted" but just no Pro (good) scriptwriters. The eternal drama that never resolves. It just annoyed me, like that Superboy one: no risk. You just knew despite all little Lexie's bluster that little Clark makes it (because he grew up).
Great points, but must agree with everyone: the snarky delivery didn’t work for me. It was too obnoxious for it’s own good.
QED I suppose.
Ep VIII is out. You called it.
Danger Darth However TLJ answers everything (except Snokes backstory), is the second of three films and has an ending. So this critique doesn't really apply.
No xD It drops everything that was built up by TFA and most of the things makes no sense:
- Everything in Kanto Bight (just doing it for politics).
- Holdo just keeping secrets to keep secrets (made no sense, and why did not Admiral Akhbar have her role instead of going out like a bitch?).
- The ship waiting for Leia after being shot out, even though it's being hunted by The First Order...
- Tearing down every character trait Luke ever had.
- And soooo much more.
Benjamin Krupp Oh really? Because Rey, Finn, Poe, and Rose had such interesting back stories and character arcs? Or Luke and Kylo had ones that made even an ounce of reasonable sense?
No. The movie was retarded.
Benjamin Krupp try again
Filip Orvik
Agreed. TLJ felt as if TFA had never happened. Apart from Rey's training with Luke, there was little continuity between the 2 films (compared to ANH & TESB and geez, dare I say it.....TPM & AOTC.)
TFA introduced Finn's character and kicked off what could have been a great duo between he and Rey, but because it ended with Rey separated from Finn, we now have to introduce a new character (Rose) to tag along with Finn on a completely unrelated and irrelevant adventure. You would think Finn would be worried sick about Rey, considering she went off in search of Luke without him. But oh well.....let's go do this new subplot instead that will ultimately play no vital role in the story.
Speaking of which, the imagination in TLJ was so limited I felt insulted. Why does a casino & race track a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away look a modern day Earth Vegas casino? Why are all the aliens wearing tuxedos?
TLJ was IMO, the worst SW film to date. It managed to stoop lower than the prequels by leaps and bounds; mainly due to it's "Abrams Trek" approach to space battles & action sequences and it's cringe-worthy attempts at Guardians of the Galaxy-style humor. (Luke brushing off his shoulder was just flat out embarrassing; thank goodness the theater was dark).
Game of thrones
Season 1 100%
Season 2 100%
Season 3 100%
Season 4 85%
Season 5 15%
Season 6 5%
Seeing the first episode was plenty enough
Its because the first half or so was written by george martin then he procrastinated and then the directors had to write their own
"They'll explain it in the next one her past is mysterious"
That's the literal opposite of what happens in the next one. It's revealed her parents were nobodies she's just some desert hillbilly who is somehow the strongest jedi ever.
Wolverine must always be in war with his past....... then Logan happend
...and that is why it was a fan favourite and one of the best acclaimed xfilms...
he was literally killed by his past, by this I mean he was killed by himself how he was during is prime
yup and now Professor X is battling his past.
I lost interest well before then. He's a dull character.
Ben Jen hated logan
Man, he was dead-on about them not explaining Rey's force power abilities.
AK--Look for Rey to replace Snoke as leader of the 1st order.
It's force balancing itself through her. Men have oppressed women for centuries so the force made her better than Luke a man.... Just kidding it's to keep the story going at a fast pace.
No he was not.
I mean, there was no explanation for anakin either, having ability to use the force is random, there needs be no explanation
@@volkmakedonii8957 Um what? That's not correct. Before Anakin had training he had no force powers like the Jedi mind trick or telekinesis (Rey did out of nowhere) and he couldn't just pick up a lightsaber and defeat somebody trained in saber combat (like Rey vs Kylo).
Don't know what the hell you're talking about
Movies keep getting worse because audiences are getting worse. Simple case of supply and demand.
Luke Fallon thats not how supply and demand work but ok
Ok, the content here is good, why are you wasting time with fake panting and drinking. That's really irritating.
He's highlighting the "mystery box" theme of this video by illustrating that we don't know what's in the cup, and although it's something he does throughout the video, it's not relevant to the content or really that interesting. I thought it was funny how he teased throughout each drink, beginning with "that's definitely not water."
Doesn't stop it being damned irritating. Fake drinking is one of the most annoying things people can do on video.
Yes, it doesn't look good, but it has its purpose: the initial "panting" sets up the discourse, the "fake drinking", as pointed out before, isnused to prove a point.
because this is cracked, so they think they have to include humor, even if it's forced
Kryptonite sooo true
On the idea of the "mystery box" and "backstory" - one movie that used "lack of backstory" and "mystery box" to great effect is "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" (1971, Gene Wilder). We know zip about WW, and it's great. He's a cypher all the way through.
Contrast that with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, where Johnny Depp's "Willy" actually shows us his childhood.
I *liked* the mystery of WW. I don't want to know about his past. It's better as a mystery.
6:19 I wasted two years of my life speculating as to what the identity of Rey's parents was.
Speculating fictional events in general isn't a very good idea lol
Speculating anything will always make you diapointed unless your right
i liked that reveal to be honest
I know I wasn't the only one. You should see the number of theories, notably that Rey was Obi-Wan's daughter or Palpatine's Granddaughter. For what it's worth, I still like to think that Rey is Anakin's reincarnation.
Gaby George tbh that would have sounded boring
I think movie writers avoid explaining stuff nowadays because critics call it "exposition dumps".
And Attention Spans keep getting shorter. Exposition/Explanation is inherently slower, than action or bs action or other effects.
It's hardly a dump if it's only like 1 sentence.
Very good observations but would have far more impact without making the presenter so overtly obnoxious. If you have to bleep out a bunch of unnecessary profanity...ding...you've made a bad commentary video.
Johnny Shabazz 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👌🏻
Also, that scraggly bears looks like glued on patchy pubes. I can’t distract my gaze from it. Ew.
Well, that’s just random words strung together into utter bullshit.
Johnny Shabazz AGREED ONE HUNNED (HUNDRED)
Ron Swanson
Why everything has to be so acted? Could you just show up normally?
Haha I know. All that criticism while not taking their own advice.
3 movies should be the limit on the same story. Not necessarily franchise, but same story
Jack White agreed, although some movies could make up 4. For example the Lord of the rings actually cut out a lot of the story just to fit into three (tom bombadil was completely cut out for example). And sometimes 3 is completely unnecessary (the hobbit). So clearly it depends on the movie in question.
game of thrones directors should've watched this
That 40 second gag in the beginning was fucking cringeworthy.
Seriously. The whole thing was unnecessarily annoying. Especially the gulping sounds of him drinking plus the weak sarcasm. That was just uncomfortable as fuck
Dessa Christmas all of it is imo
Dessa Christmas you're just butthurt cuz you know everything he's saying is true
Jason Moore: No one will care when you die, and many will be relieved.
Johnny Bigbones I will be relieved when I die.
When they say "it's a story for another time," they're actually telling you to stay tuned for the next sequel
ShyToDaChiCity1 i bet they forgot about this
They still haven't explained how Maz found Luke's lightsaber...
Or who TF the knights of Ren are
They haven't explained ANYTHING. Not one shred of why anything is happening, who anybody is, or how this story continues the supposed "unfinished business" of Episode VI - Return of the Jedi has been explained. I would have been fine with this if it was called "Star Wars: The Next Generation" or "Space Adventure with Special Appearances by Jake Skywalker, Han Solo, and Princess Leia," but they called this shit Episodes VII, VIII, and IX so SOME connective tissue, SOME BUILDING upon the Lucas era films would have been appreciated. Instead these movies have deconstructed and unraveled the Lucas era to establish their own storytelling precedent and they've tacked themselves on to a previously established legacy in order to gain a new audience (or to dangle the empty promise of old thrills to the old audience). Mark my words, when all is said and done, this trilogy will go down as the Hobbit trilogy did - quickly forgotten.
Batman v. Superman was more confusing then any movie I've ever seen. and i don't feel like wasting 3 hours watching the uncut version cause I'd probably kill myself
sebastian mccullough how is it confusing
Hey man, one lone internet commenter probably won't change your mind, but I certainly didn't feel like it was a wasted three hours.
i waited and only saw the uncut version, and it still was a pain to push though (i even gave up on it part way, then finished watching it at another time)
That movie was the most offensive, most disturbing, most disgusting, disappointed, unappreciated, unapologetic, god awful fucking dog shit. It's like watching two puppies being skinned alive by Zack Snyder. I hated this movie from the bottom of my heart. Zack Snyder, Go Fuck Yourself!!
Well the uncut version was the first I watched to begin with. And I did not find it confusing, well a little maybe. But I quit 2 something hours in. Neither having fun nor carrying about what was happening. The villain sucked. The main point of the story - the feud of Superman and Batman, felt artificial. The whole rhythm of the movie was just off. It felt like the the script had been doctored so many times with so many different ideas going on that it became impossible to make it an intriguing whole.
Imagine how much better movies would be if you would stop being a critic and start being a movie producer, director.
How about the way Hollywood is set up? Corporations, who haven’t studied the art and insanely difficult craft of writing and storytelling, dictating to writers what should be written? Instead of writers writing from passion.
That has happened before.
Hollywood had a golden age in which they got away with all kinds of nonsense, but still cared about making good movies. Movies that won't be shown anymore today. Controversial movies. (As well as serials, but we don't want to remember those.)
It had a silver age, in which the big studios that had grown out of that era were competing against each other with their franchises, but also against that newfangled evil that turns your kids into serial killers, television.
And people stopped going to the cinema, and the franchise model had to be re-worked, and the studios didn't understand why the audience wouldn't want to see the same movie over and over again, year after year, even with a new cast and title and everything, when it did so well the first time.
So Hollywood took a big risk, and let directors make the movies that they wanted to make. To their shock and horror those were movies that dealt with controversial issues. And they did well. It was the era of the "young wild ones".
So they tried to copy the formula. They made movies that ticked every checkbox of what was different about the new school of movies: Nudity, overt references to sex and sexuality, profanity, dirt. Mind you, none of these things were actually new, but they hadn't been seen in cinemas for generations.
Needless to say, the attempt at copying a non-existent formula failed. But it was the beginning of a new era in Hollywood.
That was then. And what had happened back then is happening again. To a tee.
I think that audiences are also getting stupider.
Watch the movie "Idiocracy". Where the hit movie of the year is a film called "ASS". It's two hours of a man farting. And the audience is wild about it.
Read The Marching Morons, idiocracy is a bad movie with a good premise. Unintentional or not, the movie is actually making fun of you for thinking the movie is good.
It might be controversial though because of the eugenics but idiocracy is also lowkey eugenics advocacy (well it is based on the marching morons after all but absolutely ruined by its execution and the removal of nearly everything that made TMM good.)
Harrison Bergeron is also another short story (I say short story but it has less pages than a comic book) that demonstrates the dystopian future of what we're seeing now with forcing equality of outcome to the extreme.
Yeah I didn't think Idiocracy was nearly as smart as it was trying to be.
They certainly are OP . People still think rey is a Mary Sue despite TWO films spelling it out as to why she isn't a Mary Sue. Like really being blatant about it in ways Lukes backstory can only dream of. And still nope. Still they believe she is a Mary Sue. I think next film there gonna have to put up text explaining everything for those poor folk.
kudosbudo You can't "explain" why she's not a Mary Sue in a movie. You have to show it.
1. I'm old now.
2. I'm so old.
3. Father time has ravaged my youth.
4. Nothing is The Goonies (which is fairly shit btw)
5. Kids these days.
Wow, you got 5 out of 5 WRONG.
Why would Superman fly away after an explosion? Shouldn’t he stay and help rescue potential survivors, remove rubble, crowd control, and/or get people to emergency services!?
The problem w/ Batman v Superman isn’t the lacking of information or scenes, it’s that the characters are awful and the plot is contrived.
No DC has created one of the most compelling characters it's just that the movie wasn't well thought out and was convoluted and wasn't given respect by the people who made the movie
@@nihaalsandim9986 The problem is that they haven't created "one" compelling character. Each writer, each interpretation, each version, makes a different take on Superman. Even "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way?" and "Superman vs. the Elite" are different, because they have different takes on the character. Superman is the ideal person to everyone who writes him, and he's the untouchable ideal. So we all make him who we want to be, or who we believe we can't become. And that differs for everyone on Earth.
If you watched the movie, which clearly you haven't, you'd know Superman did stick around to help... until he was sent away.
I think jj Abrams smoked a football sized crack rock when making star wars
Likable horror movie characters: Tucker and Dale from Tucker and Dale vs Evil. You're welcome.
Hey! We got yer friend!
Right. And did you see that in the movie theater? I didn't even hear about it until it came out on streaming media.
argella1300 Horror comedy doesn't count!
argella1300 I loved that movie :D
argella1300 Amen my friend
What you said about character arcs is so true! The original Jurassic Park is one of my favorite movies for a lot of reasons: the effects are great because they look real, the characters learn and change in subtle ways, there's an interesting lesson behind it all. Jurassic World had none of those things. Thank you for this great summation of what's wrong with movies these days!
Jacob Opstad but let's be real here no one left the original Jarassic Park talking about the characters and script...
True... they didn't have to. But I bet a lot of people did from Jurassic World.
Jacob Opstad no saying it's not important but the dinosaurs where the focus 4 everyone they didn't need to bother with plot im glad they did but they easily could of just had any old rubbish.
Jurassic World had the same emphatic focus on the dinosaurs. They even included that mind-blowing megasized underwater one (I can't remember the name...). Still, there is an obvious difference between the two movies, and, to me, it all comes down to the details (like backstory around how the dinosaurs were cloned, the subtle character arcs, the realistic animatronics, the healthy blend of humor, tenderness and terror, etc.)
Toad Lash there's only fourteen minutes of dinosaurs in the entire two hour film...I guess there goes your theory.
This has aged incredibly well, and the last point is truly emblematic of everything wrong with the current MCU.
The trick to being funny ISN'T thinking you're twice as funny as you actually are.
I'm assuming that the whole cup thing was an ironic attempt to illustrate the points you were making, i.e, a pointless mystery backed up by lack of development and zero payoff which leaves the audience feeling irritated and like you wasted their time.
Good job, was defiantly irritating... and the video would have been far better if you had just removed it.
No, it was a paid promo for "Solo."
See? It's working
*defiantly*
He uses the word defiantly very definitely (definite is my favorite synonym for rebel).
Damn autocorrect defied me!
Good points, good content, but I really HATED the "drinking" idea.
Let me add the things you forgot:
1. Too many SJW interferance.
2. The cringy love arcs between the hero and his bimbo
3. Bad writing and poor directing
4. Directors go YOLO in creating their own interpretation of the movie WITHOUT consulting lore masters messing with canon.
5. Using nostalgic references for cashgrab
And many more.
There's still good original movies coming out. A Quiet Place, Coco, and MCU movies to name a few. (You could argue that Endgame relies on nostalgia, but I think it's more payoff than nostalgia.)
There are more movies made today than ever before. Ratios will tell you that means there are also more good and original films being made now than any time in the past.
**Specifically big budget blockbusters is where the quality has dipped significantly, but there are plenty of great films out there. Go and find them, don't be spoon feed mainstream turd sandwiches.
Obviously not all blockbusters are bad, but this video puts forward excellent discrepancies with big budget films today.
Matt Sobczak There were good big budget films back in the day. The fact that these videos exist proves that.
Matt Sobby no.. just because there are more, doesn't mean that there are subsequently more good movies. quantity/quality would be much more applicable. the fact that there are so many more movies being made, all the bad ideas that would have been previously passed upon actually get made. and with so much media saturation, new ideas are harder to come by. therefore, STATISTICALLY, there are intact more crap movies. not to mention the general decline in even basic intelligence and abstract original thought within the movie going populace, which makes stupid movies profitable as long as people are aware of their existence, they'll watch it because it's there..
I don't think that's really true. We don't remember big blockbusters that were not successful/enduring in popular culture, hence we get the impression that all or most blockbusters in the past were good. Remember films like Waterworld? Spy Kids? Mrs. Doubtfire? Go back through most of the last 30 years of film for top grossers and at least a third are blockbusters you either barely remember, were critical flops or both. Although i suppose it depends on how you define 'blockbusters'.
Nick Nadeau I strongly agree with this comment . most of the movies today even some indie movies seem like shit .
I have noticed that movies are looking more and more like X-box games (Or whichever console is current). in 2018, I made it my mission to NOT see any prequels, sequels, remakes, reboots, or movies based on comic book superheroes. It has become quite the challenge. I checked what was playing near me (we have two cinemas in town) and of the 18 films on offer, only ONE qualified as original. Skyscraper. So we went to see it, and it sucked. It looks like an x-box game. I would have actually gone to sleep if it weren't for the CONSTANT explosions. Also, like many films I've seen this year, it was TOO DAMN DARK. I mean actually not bright enough. As in, you can't see WTF is going on! I left with a headache. I hate film this year. save me. Thank you.
Dunkirk?
But.. doesn't Godzilla: King of the Monsters look cool?? No?
Anton Nym that's funny because Skyscraper is basically a rip off of Die Hard and the Towering Inferno.
While I respect your Noble goal; watch Mission Impossible 6 and Planet of the Apes 2017, Logan, Blade runner, all those are objectively good. Not all sequels suck; mostly only the superhero sequels
THERE ARE ONLY 3 REASONS WHY MOVIES ARE SHIT.
1. THEY ARE ONLY MADE FOR KIDS NOW A DAYS.
2. THEY CARE MORE ABOUT CGI THAN STORY.
3. NOBODY TAKES RISKS AND WRITES NEW STORIES EVERYONE JUST COPIES WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING TO PLAY IT SAFE.
Back in the day there was variety. Variety is the spice of life.
these all signal LACK OF CREATIVITY as its been trumped by money and quantity concerns. Its the worst.
1. True but irrelevant. The 90s may have had Disney films but it was the worst time for kids films overall. I remember not being able to go to movie theaters frequently until the early/mid-2000s. Even those films nowadays are starting to drop in quality. If you think lack of frequency is part of growing up, my cousin goes to the movies at the same rate I do now (which is a lot). She's 7.
2. Very true. Best evidence is the Ghost in the Shell movie. It has great visuals but there was no sense to them and the film didn't respect the original culture, philosophy, characters or plot that made the series amazing.
3. This is the true number one. There's been so many reboots, adaptations, and sequels that people are desperate for original content even if it's horrible. It shouldn't have to be this way.
It really does boil down to over reliance on franchises due to easy money and it's spreading to our literature too.
That's because parents. After Burton's Batman 1&2 came out parent groups cried out cus those movies scared their kids. It resulted with Schumacher's Batman shit
3. To be fair most stories at its core are all the same, people just tell different variations of it......there really isn't anything new to tell. + Its easier to sell a story that some if not most people are familiar with like comic books because a crap ton of cash has been invested into it so minimizing risk would be wise otherwise studios would go bankrupt & we wouldn't get films. Its easier to take risks when its not your money on the line.
Chrono 1.HOLLYWOOD PRODUCERS ARE COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED FROM THE COMMON AUDIENCE MEMBER. 2. FILMS ARE MADE FOR BRAINLESS, SHALLOW, MATERIALISTIC BUFFOONS. 3.TEST AUDIENCES ARE DRAWN FROM THE AFOREMENTIONED TARGET AUDIENCE.
Whether it's churning out lesser than sequels for a quick cash grab (original planet of the apes sequels), or turning a would be great superhero movie into a two hour toy commercial (Batman and Robin), rebooting an franchise just because of one bad movie (Spiderman-3), or pandering to a culture of the times by having a correct amount of so-and so (Ghostbusters 4) it all boils down to pure greed. Instead of making original, thought provoking movies that can entertain as well as inform, it's apparent that Hollywood panders to the lowest common denominator.
That is not all of the movies though.. some are relatively original (Pacific Rim) to completely original (I don't know any examples at the moment.. please help me).
thumbs up just for the title. Hollywood is pump and dump shithole. gotta start watching low budget movies where the makers actually have to care about the story.
hanspanzer you've not seen that many B movies have you ?
I have, many suck, but there are gems amongst them in terms of storytelling.
May I point out that ever since the Han Solo movie, suddenly Disney canceled a bunch of their movie plans? Yeah... This guy called it well in advance that what exactly he predicted would happen, did happen. The audience just got tired of too much Star Wars.
It's because they keep doing the same thing over and over again
Maybe in an alternate universe this guy is funny.