This is a great idea ... then we'd have no trouble finding these various antennas ... everybody has their personal preference. I personally, would prefer using a smaller antenna vs taking my fly rod with me and looking like I'm going "fishing" with an antenna that drags birds out of the sky when I use my handheld.
I appreciate your video showing this comparison. I was glad to see that the choice I made on my antenna purchase form my Baofeng BF-F8HP was spot on for performance.
Good video's & relevant topic. Two things to consider: 1. Antennas and/or radio could be mismatched. => The best antenna for your radio might not be the best for another. 2. Using a radio inside a vehicle will cause interference => Moving the antenna just a tiny bit could change the directivity/beamform significantly.
Reminds me of the question from the exam pool: T9A07 (A) What is a disadvantage of using a handheld VHF transceiver with a flexible antenna inside a vehicle? A. Signal strength is reduced due to the shielding effect of the vehicle B. The bandwidth of the antenna will decrease, increasing SWR C. The SWR might decrease, decreasing the signal strength D. All these choices are correct
4:18 "Not an ideal situation." I respectfully disagree. Where you tested IS an "ideal" situation for the average user surfing UA-cam looking for some information. None of us here are going to be operating in laboratories, most of us will be around neighborhoods with houses and such.
I've been using the expert power 7 and 14 inch antennas since I bought my radios in 2013. I've never had a problem with them and they work great. One of them even survived my 100 pound Rottweiler eating the radio. I still use the antenna even though the rubber is munched a bit.
Thanks, for this antenna video. I just purchased my first radio yesterday. The Baofeng BF-F8+ and I'm studying for the technician license in two weeks.
Cory, good luck with taking your first test for technician level. Hopefully by now you've taken and passed. Good luck as you take & pass the other levels. Be sure to visit your local ham radio fests. Every year in May is the largest show 3-day event "Hamvention"™ located now in Xenia, OH at the fairgrounds. This is provided by "DARA" = the "Dayton Amateur Radio Association". There is free testing for all levels, interesting informative and educational seminars, vendors from all over, a flea market area, and is attended by people from all over the world. Hopefully you can attend "Hamvention"™ at least once in your lifetime.
You make great videos. I have the 771 and I like its range. The fit up to the BF*-HP at least made me modify a small washer to help stabilize the base and make definite positive contact. I even used a small FINE file to lower part of the shield on the radio. Yes that is the sign of low quality, but I do not mind spending the time tweaking my portable, that is so tiny and light. Thanks for helping out others.
Thanks for warning me about the stubby antenna. I questioned them, and you answered. I just acquired a 147-160 Mhz antenna. It's thicker than the stock antenna. I hope to see how well it does on VHF. Right now I can only receive because I'm unlicensed, but that will change.
Please test the NA-24J (UHF / VHF Ultra Light Whip 16.2" High Gain Antenna) against the NA-771. The NA-24J solves the excess mass issue that knocks the radio over. Plus for hiking it does save about a 1/4 lb of weight.
I've tryed a bunch of different antennas and my favorite is the 8" abbree whip. it performs almost as good as the long antennas but so much more convenient. Just seems to do slightly better on vhf than uhf. abbree 18" folding antenna is really great but bulky i use that for scanning at home. 15.5 abbree is almost as good as the 18"
Great video, I see some people can't get a hold of what a comparitve test is . Testing in a vehicle is a good way to see how they compare in normal vehicle use. I find 90% of the antennas on handie talkies have an swr greater than 3:1 so that being the case the low power out is even much lower yet . And yes to some replies you can talk further outside car, same talking out from a small plane at 10000 feet but we normally talk when driving the easiest way we can.
I just purchased two Baofeng Gt-3wp radios. I installed the Nagoya antennas on them hoping for greater communication range and at 80 ft I was barely able to receive and communicate. I reinstalled the manufactured rubber duckies that came with my radios and got a 2 mile range! I'm sending the Nogoyas back and trying another set of them on my radios.
Thanks for posting. Unknowingly, I ordered your Nogoya 771 already. We have 4 dozen radios in the box to set up .... 3-4 different MFG's and bandwidths.
I did similar tests about 8 or 9 years ago. We (another operator listening) were going through a repeater located on a 6 floor building. I drove down the highway and tested every few miles. Passing was good quality voice with full quieting. Noise in the voice was a fail. I didn't have the little stubby, but did test the stock UV-5R antenna, the Expert Power, Nagoya NA-701, and Nagoya NA-771. The stock UV-5R, no surprise here, was the worst one. The NA-701 and Expert Power tied with several more miles down the road. The best was the NA-771. Actual usage, if you clipped the radio to your belt with a NA-771 and looked down at your radio you ran a risk of poking your eye out. I gave that one away. The NA-701 and Expert Power were pretty much tied. At that time the Expert Power did not have a name, we just called it the "NoName". It was cheaper than the Nagoya NA-701, so I actually bought several and still use them.
With stock antennas I’m able to hear my brothers baofeng at 5 miles away at about 600’ lower elevation with a mtn ridge between us. He can’t hear me unless I walk up the hill a bit. With the 15.5” laiton we can’t hear each other perfectly.. the longest straight shot range test that we’ve done was at 12 miles with rubber duck antennas with 100% success. I didn’t have the other antennas at that time but I’m looking forward to more simplexing! :)
I use one of my UV5R's as a monitor. I got an adapter and have it hooked up to a slim-jim that is hanging from the ceiling in my shack. That way I don't have to worry as much about lightening! I have used it to make our ham net when it is storming. In addition, as a monitor it does not draw as much power as a mobile or base rig.
I use some Anytone radios for my EMS squad, since the AT-3318 series can do 2-tone paging. They're a lot cheaper than the Kenwoods and work about as well (or as poorly, depending on your point of view). I never realized how badly the stock antennas function. I just ordered a 701C (8" commercial/public safety band) to see if I can reach the dispatch center any better. Thanks for a real-world comparison. 73
WIth simplex communication using BaoFeng UV-5R on 154.95, The stock antenna preforms better in every condition than the NA-771. Me and my buddy are 1.5 miles apart in the suburbs. (Im new to this, any idea why the 771 is worse for me?)
This is a great video and really informative. But I'm wondering how the Nagoya 771 compares to the new Abbree antennas (I have a one-meter one) in an outdoor test just like this one. I saw your other video about the Abbree, but all it shows is metered strength in basically "lab" conditions. Could you run the exact same test with the 771 vs. the longest Abbree antenna with a UV-5R?
I was able to talk 1.08 miles on a Baofeng UV-9G equipped with a BaoFeng SRH805S SMA-F SRH805S SMA-F Female Dual Band antenna to a Baofeng UV-5R 8 watt equipped with a Nagaya NA-771G. This was in Florida. In case the viewers don't know Florida is flat. The QSO was in a neighborhood full of homes and trees all in full bloom. The Stubby is a good antenna!
I don't get it, you are saying you were able to talk 1 mile with a stubby antenna and that makes it good overall? With the stubby you are probably not able to talk more than that whereas with the 771 you could have easily been talking to 2-3 miles more on 2m (VHF)!
Got two miles down the road from my house the other day with a AR805S. Then went 2.5 miles with my AR771. It was choppy but both were able to transmit and receive audibly
I usually have a NA717 on for day to day use. But I also have a NA771 that I just switch out for when needed. The 771 can get a bit unwieldy so I don’t have it on unless I have to. But it’s good to have it.
you say this wasnt very ideal. i think it was a perfect example, cause in real life you will have all the structures and obstacles getting in the way of the signal so this really shows the performance of the different antennas..was this guy also going line of sight or was he using a repeater?
I love my xpert power antenna. I use a UV-5R with an extended battery and can work a repeater 70.4 miles away and they say that I come in at about a 3-5 depending on where I’m standing in the driveway. I’m down in a hole where I usually work it with trees surrounding but it’s a very big repeater with over 700 people on it daily so that may be giving more props to the repeater than the antenna but I think it works wonders
Jsut a comment why the antenna workd well when folded in Higher frequencies..... the wave lengths are shorter in UHF, thus, shorter antenna becomes more efficient. The tape antennas are very durable, and can last a very long time, but one should never force a tight bend as it will result in a fold in the tape curve and then the antenna is floppy.
Any 19" thin whippy antenna msy work great when you are not moving, but if it whips around at all, the signal also whips in and out like crazy. Use it while you are in motion, and it no longer sounds like a champ.
Good video! Thank you! Too add to your data... I use the Nagoya NA-320A tri-bander (2M/1.25M/40cm) with my Btech 5x3. At almost 18 inches it is a monster, but the performance is really nice (and you don't have to swap antennas out... Btech ships 2 144/440 & a separate 220) Keep up the good work! 73s -Rob
I live in heavy forest area and a baofeng uv-5r with stock antenna can go 0.8-1 km with expert power antenna I got 1.7 km, it doesn’t sound like much but I made a great difference
Nice test. I would have liked to have seen you turn the power down on the radio during the test (similar to driving further away). I did a similar test years ago testing whether or not adding a counterpoise to the antenna did anything. And was shocked to find that it made a huge difference.
WIth simplex communication using BaoFeng UV-5R on 154.95, The stock antenna preforms better in every condition than the NA-771. Me and my buddy are 1.5 miles apart in the suburbs. (Im new to this, any idea why the 771 is worse for me?)
A genuine NA 771 is a great antenna for most of the baofeng models. It's Deffo hefty but I can hit the repeaters about 1.2 miles from my home. Whilst inside. Out side easily 5+ miles and hits the repeater. It likes more of a complete vertical position though. So if it's leaning it will degrade the reach. Also if using one as a Base setup. Grounding the Base of the antenna greatly improves reception and transmission when not holding it.
I work for a railroad, the longer train lengths they have gone to make the rubber duck on the issued Kenwoods ineffective. The NA-771 will allow me to communicate with the head end of my train 2 miles away. It is kind of a pain in the butt constantly poking me in the armpit, but worth it.
I have a 771 and a Signal Stick. Would like to have seen the Signal Stick in this otherwise great real world test video. Time to redo and include the Signal Stick and the Abbree? Thx
May I also point out that discounting the short "stubby" antenna was a bit (shall I say it) short-sighted. First, you were testing on 146MHz where that particular antenna is at it's worst. Had you been in the 70cm band at around 446.000 I believe you would have seen much better results. I use BF-888s radios for low power short range work between the wife and I (she's a Tech, I'm an Extra) and those radios with the exact Diamont SRH805S antennas work great for their purpose. In fact, I can hit and hold a 70cm repeater using the BF-888 and the SRH805S from easily 10-12 miles away.
WIth simplex communication using BaoFeng UV-5R on 154.95, The stock antenna preforms better in every condition than the NA-771. Me and my buddy are 1.5 miles apart in the suburbs. (Im new to this, any idea why the 771 is worse for me?)
DID THE NA701 ANTENNA COME WITH YOUR BF-F8HP? I would like to have seen the "default" antenna that came with your BF-F8HP in the test (or was it lost or died? From the way you talked about it, I'm guessing the NA701 is not the original "came with" antenna?) A supposed "better" 'V85 antenna came with my new BF-F8HP and with an appropriate adapter for each antenna I compared the V85 and the original YAH-28 on both my F8HP and Yaesu FT-470 dual-band handheld. The YAH-28 seemed to perform somewhat better in all configurations. SWR BASELINES It would be nice to have a baseline mid-point 2m band SWR of all the antennas with your radio (all using same cables/adapters as needed for the meter)...just to see if there was an easy correlation between relative SWR and relative performance in your test. Finding a direct correlation like that would make choosing an shorty dual-band antenna a lot faster and easier in the future. This might also expose some trends between brands and SWR...which could be indicative of design/mfg quality decisions (example, one manufacturer may tend to optimize 2m performance design point at expense of increasing the SWR on 70cm). I've found on these little dual-band antenna the SWR can differ by a LOT from antenna to antenna and from band to band (like from 1.1 to 1.7 on 2m and from 1.5 to almost 4.0 on 70cm!!! 70cm mid-band SWR was always worse than 2m. (for comparison, I tested my Kenwood MA-700 dual-band antenna and the SWR difference from 1.0 was barely visible for both bands...using an old Diamond Antenna SX-400 meter, and that included an additional ~10ft of coax) BF-F8HP ORIGINAL VS. "IMPROVED" ANTENNA I just received a BF-F8HP that SUPPOSEDLY "now comes with an improved antenna, the V85" but there is nothing on it that shows it is a "V85"...counterfeit or otherwise. On one side of the base, it has "Baofeng" and 180deg around the other side has "U V Antenna". On the outer ring inside the connector itself it has "FM/136-174/400-520MHz". So...not only can I not tell if I have a "V85" antenna, I can't tell if I got a "knock-off" "V85" antenna.
I included the stock antenna comparison in another review. I disagree. Swr baselines are a misnomer. When you add a testing device to the antennas you’re also messing with the swr which skews it’s accuracy and could make a good antenna appear bad. The best way I’ve found to test the antennas is to do a range test not to far away and review the signal strength on each antenna.
Problem I have with better antennas on the 5R is I think it picks up other signals on nearby frequencies which deafens the front end. At least that is my assumption, the better the antenna the more weird receive issues I have.
Hello I have a UHF antenna with a 10 inch spring for a UHF cp200 radio. I just got baofeng radio dual vhf/uhf. Question is can I use that antenna for the baofeng, and if not why so 🤔
All the antennas need to go on the vna and trimmed as needed . The Nagoya are made from brass round wound guitar strings. The loading coils often need rebuild
I am new to the Amateur radio. I now have a UV-5R and I'm trying to understand how everything works. I bought a larger antenna which says it's a NKTECH NK-950M. I am lost as to what I've done as in my home I feel I stand the chance of picking up more with the stock antenna. Did I buy garbage or are the longer antennas best suited for outdoors?
Was the EXPERT POWER used ExpertPower XP-669C 7.5-Inch or ExpertPower XP-771 14.5-Inch. I think it's the 7.5 inch in the test shown. ...? Interested to know what you think about the 14.5 inch if you have time. Thanks in advance. Your videos are excellent. Cheers 🍻👍🍻🖒
Between nagoya 717 antenna and tactical antenna. I go for the tactical antenna. Longer range and more clearer voice. Why was not tactical antenna not included in testing
Do I need the little rubber washer that came with the Nagoya 771? I accidentally threw it out with the packaging... I’m receiving with it on my UV-5R but I can’t hear any traffic just clipping static. PLEASE HELP
Well, it' not just line of sight, strong electromagnetic fields (like in high voltage electric grid) also interfere with the signal, so that can also offset your results. I went for a car magnetic external antenna (ut-106 uv) to get better reception myself but i bought that big cahoona antenna you tested for my father to use.
Going to Amazon and looking up the antennas, I see the expert power XP669C in both the 7.5 inch standard whip and the 14.5 inch long whip. You said longer is better, but Im wondering if this is true for these antennas? The longer "14.5 inch long whip" is about a dollar cheaper than the "7.5 inch standard whip."
Hi friend . Quick question. Do you think a fake nagoya 771 will destroy my radio , or do you have to rate them on a per antenna basis . I don't have an swr , so that's why I'm asking . Thanks again. C.f.
I have the F8 with the Baofeng 771 antenna and want to buy a UV-5R (cheaper) with the same antenna for my grandson. Using your neighborhood scenario, would the radio's connect at 3 miles or 2 miles? I am licensed for GMRS.
I am brand new to ham and just ordered a Baofeng UV5R Pro (8 watts max) and it comes with the NA-771 antenna. I am going to be just listening initially. Am I only going to hear people from up to a mile or so? I really don't want to install an outdoor antenna but I am hoping for many miles of range. Help please!
Hello! Do you have a recommendation for a magnetic vehicle mounted antenna for the UV-5R?
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If you like the 717 (or the 666) you could try the Nagoya 24J, which I've found to be better than all the others. Also the ABBREE tactical one is a nice antenna, but way bulkier.
Have you noticed the big kahuna NA-771 randomly cutting out when moving the radio? I purchased one and get pretty great reception when I hold it perfectly vertical. However if I tilt the radio about 30-45° in any direction, the signal cuts out entirely. It will go from full power to nothing instantly. Seems more like a loose connection than anything else to me.
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You know what this is missing? A spreadsheet comparison of the results at the end. Food for thought.
This is a great idea ... then we'd have no trouble finding these various antennas ...
everybody has their personal preference. I personally, would prefer using a smaller antenna vs taking my fly rod with me and looking like I'm going "fishing" with an antenna that drags birds out of the sky when I use my handheld.
I appreciate your video showing this comparison. I was glad to see that the choice I made on my antenna purchase form my Baofeng BF-F8HP was spot on for performance.
Good video's & relevant topic. Two things to consider: 1. Antennas and/or radio could be mismatched. => The best antenna for your radio might not be the best for another. 2. Using a radio inside a vehicle will cause interference => Moving the antenna just a tiny bit could change the directivity/beamform significantly.
Reminds me of the question from the exam pool:
T9A07 (A)
What is a disadvantage of using a handheld VHF transceiver with a flexible antenna inside a vehicle?
A. Signal strength is reduced due to the shielding effect of the vehicle
B. The bandwidth of the antenna will decrease, increasing SWR
C. The SWR might decrease, decreasing the signal strength
D. All these choices are correct
4:18 "Not an ideal situation." I respectfully disagree. Where you tested IS an "ideal" situation for the average user surfing UA-cam looking for some information. None of us here are going to be operating in laboratories, most of us will be around neighborhoods with houses and such.
A boefeng with a good whip is no match for a abandon airforce base
I use my radios when I am hunting with a few buddies, and I only have to deal with trees and distance. No houses.
you're confusing ideal with average
Agreed, if not a building or two even.
A car acts as a faraday cage and kills the signal.
I've been using the expert power 7 and 14 inch antennas since I bought my radios in 2013. I've never had a problem with them and they work great. One of them even survived my 100 pound Rottweiler eating the radio. I still use the antenna even though the rubber is munched a bit.
i have the Nagoya 771 on my BaoFeng and it works great! I do not care that it is longer! It works much better!
Thanks, for this antenna video. I just purchased my first radio yesterday. The Baofeng BF-F8+ and I'm studying for the technician license in two weeks.
Cory R. Have they changed or updated the test? It seems like it was about time for that soon.
I believe the test will be changing in June.
how bff8+ is different frm uv5r?
Cory, good luck with taking your
first test for technician level.
Hopefully by now you've taken
and passed. Good luck as you
take & pass the other levels.
Be sure to visit your local ham
radio fests. Every year in May is the largest show 3-day event "Hamvention"™ located now in Xenia, OH at the fairgrounds.
This is provided by "DARA" = the "Dayton Amateur Radio Association".
There is free testing for all levels,
interesting informative and educational seminars, vendors from all over, a flea market area, and is attended by people from all over the world. Hopefully you can attend "Hamvention"™ at least once in your lifetime.
@@mohammadomariqbal Good question.
Mine is arriving today and I'm stoked to do a comparison of my own. Thanks for doing this video!
You make great videos. I have the 771 and I like its range. The fit up to the BF*-HP at least made me modify a small washer to help stabilize the base and make definite positive contact. I even used a small FINE file to lower part of the shield on the radio. Yes that is the sign of low quality, but I do not mind spending the time tweaking my portable, that is so tiny and light. Thanks for helping out others.
this kind of test that needed by everyone. real use/life test!!
For those who say he should be outside the car and paying attention to polarity, he is trying for worse case scenario
Thank you! 👌
yes
@@HamRadioCrashCourse what is polarity? Hold the unit straight up and down for best signal?
@@dhall5634 i think holding the antenna horizontal or vertical makes a difference :D
@@dhall5634 its the way you hold the radio either vertical or horizontal
Thanks for warning me about the stubby antenna. I questioned them, and you answered. I just acquired a 147-160 Mhz antenna. It's thicker than the stock antenna. I hope to see how well it does on VHF. Right now I can only receive because I'm unlicensed, but that will change.
I think this video was very true to the type of area I use mine in. Thank You very much !
Please test the NA-24J (UHF / VHF Ultra Light Whip 16.2" High Gain Antenna) against the NA-771. The NA-24J solves the excess mass issue that knocks the radio over. Plus for hiking it does save about a 1/4 lb of weight.
I've tryed a bunch of different antennas and my favorite is the 8" abbree whip. it performs almost as good as the long antennas but so much more convenient. Just seems to do slightly better on vhf than uhf. abbree 18" folding antenna is really great but bulky i use that for scanning at home. 15.5 abbree is almost as good as the 18"
I have a UV-82, and the Nagoya 771 is amazing. I got it after watching your video. Thank you!
I really appriciate all the work that went into this... thanks dude!
Great video, I see some people can't get a hold of what a comparitve test is . Testing in a vehicle is a good way to see how they compare in normal vehicle use. I find 90% of the antennas on handie talkies have an swr greater than 3:1 so that being the case the low power out is even much lower yet . And yes to some replies you can talk further outside car, same talking out from a small plane at 10000 feet but we normally talk when driving the easiest way we can.
Yes! You got it :D
I just purchased two Baofeng Gt-3wp radios. I installed the Nagoya antennas on them hoping for greater communication range and at 80 ft I was barely able to receive and communicate. I reinstalled the manufactured rubber duckies that came with my radios and got a 2 mile range! I'm sending the Nogoyas back and trying another set of them on my radios.
Thanks for posting. Unknowingly, I ordered your Nogoya 771 already. We have 4 dozen radios in the box to set up .... 3-4 different MFG's and bandwidths.
Interesting video I have a small collection of antennas and have picked up some positive tips from you, thanks for sharing
I bought the expert power 7.5 after seeing this. I like it so far, it works well and it helps with the top heavy affect that my abbree had
Thank so much. Lots of good information in here. I've got the Nagoya NA 771 R on UV 82L.
I did similar tests about 8 or 9 years ago. We (another operator listening) were going through a repeater located on a 6 floor building. I drove down the highway and tested every few miles. Passing was good quality voice with full quieting. Noise in the voice was a fail. I didn't have the little stubby, but did test the stock UV-5R antenna, the Expert Power, Nagoya NA-701, and Nagoya NA-771. The stock UV-5R, no surprise here, was the worst one. The NA-701 and Expert Power tied with several more miles down the road. The best was the NA-771. Actual usage, if you clipped the radio to your belt with a NA-771 and looked down at your radio you ran a risk of poking your eye out. I gave that one away. The NA-701 and Expert Power were pretty much tied. At that time the Expert Power did not have a name, we just called it the "NoName". It was cheaper than the Nagoya NA-701, so I actually bought several and still use them.
Thanks for this. I've had a MJ long on my list for a while. The longest antenna you have is comparable and $10 cheaper. I just ordered it!
I love these real world testing, we will never be in perfect conditions so yeah...... ty for your work!!
With stock antennas I’m able to hear my brothers baofeng at 5 miles away at about 600’ lower elevation with a mtn ridge between us. He can’t hear me unless I walk up the hill a bit. With the 15.5” laiton we can’t hear each other perfectly.. the longest straight shot range test that we’ve done was at 12 miles with rubber duck antennas with 100% success. I didn’t have the other antennas at that time but I’m looking forward to more simplexing! :)
i used to use a stubby at work, i programmed my 8hp to work with the radios at work , i used the stubby to restrict my tx range
have the common 3 types and a rat tail .. options
I use one of my UV5R's as a monitor. I got an adapter and have it hooked up to a slim-jim that is hanging from the ceiling in my shack. That way I don't have to worry as much about lightening! I have used it to make our ham net when it is storming. In addition, as a monitor it does not draw as much power as a mobile or base rig.
Awesome. Simple, direct.
Thanks bud
Thanks for watching!
Wow what a MVP you are for putting the winner in the description
Thanks for the work man.... helps us out in the HAM community
Thanks Josh I just ordered 1 from your link. Now to find a cable on one of your other vids!
I have the 771, I can hit a repeater 35 miles away on 5 watts with my uv
i can hit a repeater 43 miles away with stock rubber duck antenna uv-5r
@@dylanlockler1039 SOUNDS LIKE A DUCK STORY TO ME.
@@ctsteve1967 well it is on top of a huge mountain...
See it all depends on conditions, I believe all of them if you have a good line of sight with the repeater..
i think the repeater is line of sight i cant really see it though
Glad to see I picked the right one!
This was really, really helpful!!! Saved me some failures in the field for sure!
:Ohj look at this, new antenna?" Glad I am not the only one who notices antennas.
I use some Anytone radios for my EMS squad, since the AT-3318 series can do 2-tone paging. They're a lot cheaper than the Kenwoods and work about as well (or as poorly, depending on your point of view). I never realized how badly the stock antennas function. I just ordered a 701C (8" commercial/public safety band) to see if I can reach the dispatch center any better. Thanks for a real-world comparison. 73
Awesome comparison!!! Love my NA771 on my F8HP, it's a beast :)
Same for me on my UV-5R.
I've just ordered a na 771 looking forward to trying it out 🙂 Thanks for all your great work 👌🏻
WIth simplex communication using BaoFeng UV-5R on 154.95, The stock antenna preforms better in every condition than the NA-771.
Me and my buddy are 1.5 miles apart in the suburbs.
(Im new to this, any idea why the 771 is worse for me?)
4 Watts on a BF-F8+ with the NA 771 I'm able to talk from N. Phoenix to Mt. Lemmon in Tucson - KK7OEM. It's 115 miles.
Clarification - High Ground to Mountain Top.
Line O sight baby!!!
Greg Gallop I will be 65 mi south of Phoenix in 4 days visiting, permanantly in 4 yrs..kb8qlz..
I thought the BF-F8+ was 8 watts...hmm
@@jeffsisson2090 it has 3 settings 2, 4 and 8w
This is a great video and really informative. But I'm wondering how the Nagoya 771 compares to the new Abbree antennas (I have a one-meter one) in an outdoor test just like this one. I saw your other video about the Abbree, but all it shows is metered strength in basically "lab" conditions. Could you run the exact same test with the 771 vs. the longest Abbree antenna with a UV-5R?
Yes I was hoping the abbree was in this test as well.
Add that abbree antenna on that bad boy and run the same test.
I appreciate the content...... still surfing all your videos. Found ya through Glover. Keep up good work
Uv82 is my go to. Love it. Undestructable
You can reverse the destructions?
Thanks for your info. keep up the good work. cheers from Australia
Thanks for watching!
Awesome comparison brother! Thank you
I was able to talk 1.08 miles on a Baofeng UV-9G equipped with a BaoFeng SRH805S SMA-F SRH805S SMA-F Female Dual Band antenna to a Baofeng UV-5R 8 watt equipped with a Nagaya NA-771G. This was in Florida. In case the viewers don't know Florida is flat. The QSO was in a neighborhood full of homes and trees all in full bloom.
The Stubby is a good antenna!
I don't get it, you are saying you were able to talk 1 mile with a stubby antenna and that makes it good overall? With the stubby you are probably not able to talk more than that whereas with the 771 you could have easily been talking to 2-3 miles more on 2m (VHF)!
@@a.k.3659 I understand why you are confused. GMRS is UHF.
Got two miles down the road from my house the other day with a AR805S. Then went 2.5 miles with my AR771. It was choppy but both were able to transmit and receive audibly
I usually have a NA717 on for day to day use. But I also have a NA771 that I just switch out for when needed. The 771 can get a bit unwieldy so I don’t have it on unless I have to. But it’s good to have it.
you say this wasnt very ideal. i think it was a perfect example, cause in real life you will have all the structures and obstacles getting in the way of the signal so this really shows the performance of the different antennas..was this guy also going line of sight or was he using a repeater?
All line of sight.
I love my xpert power antenna. I use a UV-5R with an extended battery and can work a repeater 70.4 miles away and they say that I come in at about a 3-5 depending on where I’m standing in the driveway. I’m down in a hole where I usually work it with trees surrounding but it’s a very big repeater with over 700 people on it daily so that may be giving more props to the repeater than the antenna but I think it works wonders
Love it man, thanks for the channel and vids like this. Still looking forward to a review of the Signal stick if you get one. 73.
very good information, this helps a lot, in the end, the length of the antenna didn't matter. Thanks your video explained it all
The length of the antenna does mater with regards to TX and RX. I didn't saw otherwise in the video.
Jsut a comment why the antenna workd well when folded in Higher frequencies..... the wave lengths are shorter in UHF, thus, shorter antenna becomes more efficient.
The tape antennas are very durable, and can last a very long time, but one should never force a tight bend as it will result in a fold in the tape curve and then the antenna is floppy.
You my Friend are AWESOME.....Thank You
Any 19" thin whippy antenna msy work great when you are not moving, but if it whips around at all, the signal also whips in and out like crazy. Use it while you are in motion, and it no longer sounds like a champ.
True. Whips on mobile can be awkward.
Cool test, thanks for sharing! You should do this test again with different homemade antennas!
Good video! Thank you!
Too add to your data... I use the Nagoya NA-320A tri-bander (2M/1.25M/40cm) with my Btech 5x3. At almost 18 inches it is a monster, but the performance is really nice (and you don't have to swap antennas out... Btech ships 2 144/440 & a separate 220)
Keep up the good work!
73s
-Rob
I live in heavy forest area and a baofeng uv-5r with stock antenna can go 0.8-1 km with expert power antenna I got 1.7 km, it doesn’t sound like much but I made a great difference
Thank you for this!!! Just ordered one.
Nice test. I would have liked to have seen you turn the power down on the radio during the test (similar to driving further away). I did a similar test years ago testing whether or not adding a counterpoise to the antenna did anything. And was shocked to find that it made a huge difference.
Happy New Year greetings from Reno, Nevada.
I bought the NA-771 nagoya cleared up a lot of static on my receptions (can't transmit, not licensed yet, working on it)
I still transmit on FRS when I travel to the island.
WIth simplex communication using BaoFeng UV-5R on 154.95, The stock antenna preforms better in every condition than the NA-771.
Me and my buddy are 1.5 miles apart in the suburbs.
(Im new to this, any idea why the 771 is worse for me?)
A genuine NA 771 is a great antenna for most of the baofeng models. It's Deffo hefty but I can hit the repeaters about 1.2 miles from my home. Whilst inside. Out side easily 5+ miles and hits the repeater. It likes more of a complete vertical position though. So if it's leaning it will degrade the reach. Also if using one as a Base setup. Grounding the Base of the antenna greatly improves reception and transmission when not holding it.
I work for a railroad, the longer train lengths they have gone to make the rubber duck on the issued Kenwoods ineffective. The NA-771 will allow me to communicate with the head end of my train 2 miles away. It is kind of a pain in the butt constantly poking me in the armpit, but worth it.
I have a 771 and a Signal Stick. Would like to have seen the Signal Stick in this otherwise great real world test video.
Time to redo and include the Signal Stick and the Abbree?
Thx
May I also point out that discounting the short "stubby" antenna was a bit (shall I say it) short-sighted. First, you were testing on 146MHz where that particular antenna is at it's worst. Had you been in the 70cm band at around 446.000 I believe you would have seen much better results. I use BF-888s radios for low power short range work between the wife and I (she's a Tech, I'm an Extra) and those radios with the exact Diamont SRH805S antennas work great for their purpose. In fact, I can hit and hold a 70cm repeater using the BF-888 and the SRH805S from easily 10-12 miles away.
exactly .. thats plenty of range , and the little radios do good on power output
Side note: this is a very nice camera video quality.
Not sure how others do, but my 771 picked up a satellite ham repeater. It was my first & only alternative antenna purchase.
Hold it sideways and it'll work.
Great video! Great comparison!
I have a Luiton NA-771 its a big boy but it seems to be way better than the stock
WIth simplex communication using BaoFeng UV-5R on 154.95, The stock antenna preforms better in every condition than the NA-771.
Me and my buddy are 1.5 miles apart in the suburbs.
(Im new to this, any idea why the 771 is worse for me?)
DID THE NA701 ANTENNA COME WITH YOUR BF-F8HP?
I would like to have seen the "default" antenna that came with your BF-F8HP in the test (or was it lost or died? From the way you talked about it, I'm guessing the NA701 is not the original "came with" antenna?) A supposed "better" 'V85 antenna came with my new BF-F8HP and with an appropriate adapter for each antenna I compared the V85 and the original YAH-28 on both my F8HP and Yaesu FT-470 dual-band handheld. The YAH-28 seemed to perform somewhat better in all configurations.
SWR BASELINES
It would be nice to have a baseline mid-point 2m band SWR of all the antennas with your radio (all using same cables/adapters as needed for the meter)...just to see if there was an easy correlation between relative SWR and relative performance in your test.
Finding a direct correlation like that would make choosing an shorty dual-band antenna a lot faster and easier in the future.
This might also expose some trends between brands and SWR...which could be indicative of design/mfg quality decisions (example, one manufacturer may tend to optimize 2m performance design point at expense of increasing the SWR on 70cm).
I've found on these little dual-band antenna the SWR can differ by a LOT from antenna to antenna and from band to band (like from 1.1 to 1.7 on 2m and from 1.5 to almost 4.0 on 70cm!!! 70cm mid-band SWR was always worse than 2m.
(for comparison, I tested my Kenwood MA-700 dual-band antenna and the SWR difference from 1.0 was barely visible for both bands...using an old Diamond Antenna SX-400 meter, and that included an additional ~10ft of coax)
BF-F8HP ORIGINAL VS. "IMPROVED" ANTENNA
I just received a BF-F8HP that SUPPOSEDLY "now comes with an improved antenna, the V85" but there is nothing on it that shows it is a "V85"...counterfeit or otherwise.
On one side of the base, it has "Baofeng" and 180deg around the other side has "U V Antenna". On the outer ring inside the connector itself it has "FM/136-174/400-520MHz". So...not only can I not tell if I have a "V85" antenna, I can't tell if I got a "knock-off" "V85" antenna.
I included the stock antenna comparison in another review.
I disagree. Swr baselines are a misnomer. When you add a testing device to the antennas you’re also messing with the swr which skews it’s accuracy and could make a good antenna appear bad.
The best way I’ve found to test the antennas is to do a range test not to far away and review the signal strength on each antenna.
I picked up a Nagoya NA-24J and a ExpertPower XP-669C through the storefront.
Happy to support. Thanks for the awesome content
I bought this a couple hours ago without watching this, guess I made the right choice.
Great comparison and informative video, thanks...
Thank you!
Very Nice job on the basic antenna video. Real world tests mean more to me than perfect condition lab tests.
Problem I have with better antennas on the 5R is I think it picks up other signals on nearby frequencies which deafens the front end. At least that is my assumption, the better the antenna the more weird receive issues I have.
Great video,,, as usual. I'm glad I made the Expertpower decision 3 yrs ago....you confirmed my research.
Thanks for the video! I had some of the others but did order a Expert Power antenna for $9.50 Amazon Prime
Brian Robinson a product coming out of China names “pro” or “expert”!should be a dead give away that is not a great product
Hello I have a UHF antenna with a 10 inch spring for a UHF cp200 radio. I just got baofeng radio dual vhf/uhf. Question is can I use that antenna for the baofeng, and if not why so 🤔
All the antennas need to go on the vna and trimmed as needed . The Nagoya are made from brass round wound guitar strings. The loading coils often need rebuild
I am new to the Amateur radio. I now have a UV-5R and I'm trying to understand how everything works. I bought a larger antenna which says it's a NKTECH NK-950M. I am lost as to what I've done as in my home I feel I stand the chance of picking up more with the stock antenna. Did I buy garbage or are the longer antennas best suited for outdoors?
What about those wire whips people add on to base with a ring terminal ?
I don't know I think it's a perfect experiment because what else are we going to be doing with it Good job man
Was the EXPERT POWER used ExpertPower XP-669C 7.5-Inch or ExpertPower XP-771 14.5-Inch. I think it's the 7.5 inch in the test shown. ...? Interested to know what you think about the 14.5 inch if you have time. Thanks in advance. Your videos are excellent. Cheers 🍻👍🍻🖒
Between nagoya 717 antenna and tactical antenna. I go for the tactical antenna. Longer range and more clearer voice. Why was not tactical antenna not included in testing
Do I need the little rubber washer that came with the Nagoya 771? I accidentally threw it out with the packaging... I’m receiving with it on my UV-5R but I can’t hear any traffic just clipping static. PLEASE HELP
Well, it' not just line of sight, strong electromagnetic fields (like in high voltage electric grid) also interfere with the signal, so that can also offset your results. I went for a car magnetic external antenna (ut-106 uv) to get better reception myself but i bought that big cahoona antenna you tested for my father to use.
Going to Amazon and looking up the antennas, I see the expert power XP669C in both the 7.5 inch standard whip and the 14.5 inch long whip. You said longer is better, but Im wondering if this is true for these antennas? The longer "14.5 inch long whip" is about a dollar cheaper than the "7.5 inch standard whip."
A while back you used a Surecom SW-102 in the testing of a transmit test. How did you connect the baofeng to the SW-102? Did it come with the adapter?
Nope. Never used one. I use a rig expert.
@@HamRadioCrashCourse no wonder I couldn't find the video. My bad.
Cool info 🖖
How is the Retevis RHD771 antenna and 701 and the stuby one? 🤔
Very interesting. How do these stack up against the flat tape military style antennas?
Hi friend .
Quick question.
Do you think a fake nagoya 771 will destroy my radio , or do you have to rate them on a per antenna basis .
I don't have an swr , so that's why I'm
asking .
Thanks again.
C.f.
I have the F8 with the Baofeng 771 antenna and want to buy a UV-5R (cheaper) with the same antenna for my grandson. Using your neighborhood scenario, would the radio's connect at 3 miles or 2 miles? I am licensed for GMRS.
I am brand new to ham and just ordered a Baofeng UV5R Pro (8 watts max) and it comes with the NA-771 antenna. I am going to be just listening initially. Am I only going to hear people from up to a mile or so? I really don't want to install an outdoor antenna but I am hoping for many miles of range. Help please!
I actually like a short antenna like the diamond..... and recommendations on a short stubby antenna that is out now?
Hello! Do you have a recommendation for a magnetic vehicle mounted antenna for the UV-5R?
If you like the 717 (or the 666) you could try the Nagoya 24J, which I've found to be better than all the others. Also the ABBREE tactical one is a nice antenna, but way bulkier.
Have you noticed the big kahuna NA-771 randomly cutting out when moving the radio? I purchased one and get pretty great reception when I hold it perfectly vertical. However if I tilt the radio about 30-45° in any direction, the signal cuts out entirely. It will go from full power to nothing instantly. Seems more like a loose connection than anything else to me.