I haven't watched the doc yet so they probably mention this but I know Timothy AND his wife were both intellectually disabled and had suffered their whole lives due to that. Being dirt poor AND disabled intellectually and then to also have this happen? I swear Hell is on Earth for some people. I can't imagine. Our ancestors were tough as nails. I imagine suicide rates would skyrocket if our current society was suddenly plunged into these living/social economic conditions.
@Lady Jay Mac timothy Evans was an alcoholic who beat his wife. Since he initially told police he had given his wife a potion to cause an abortion and that had caused her to die, there seems to be a lot of missing info here on what really happened. As for your last point, the problems and social conditions our ancestors faced are carried over now. A lot of them were abused, abusive and violence was normal. That is, of course, very normal human conditioning, unfortunately.
Precisely why this case led to the abolition of the death penalty in the UK; we executed an innocent for nothing other than being a simpleton easily led in police interrogations..
There is a very good movie about this story. It's a British movie called 10 Rillington Place starring Richard Attenborough and John Hurt. It was made in 1971 and is adapted from the book about the case, Ten Rillington Place.
There is also a tv mini series called Rillington Place, which is also very good, although I do prefer Richard Attenborough as Christie, Tim Roth does an excellent job as well.
I think the actors playing main characters are very good, this is an excellent reconstruction documentary...very chilling, highlighting the fact that a men was executed wrongly because of the callous, murderous nature of Christie...
I think playing Tim Evans is the most difficult one.. imagine the mix of feelings, confused, worry, upset, angry, shocked, panic, guilty all at once.. man that guy is brilliant
Felt for this innocent man,😢.watched this when out on TV. So terrible press didn't help at the time. Ruth was domestic abuse, both to each other but outcome drastic. Crimes Victoria times then wars brought out evil slime balls.
Nothing gives me more chills than the Timothy Evans' detainment photograph. His face of fear in the midst of all pointing fingers accusing him. You can feel how afraid he is. And still the authorities are there, still, like a normal routine, arresting the " "culprit"
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What happened to Evans was definitely a miscarriage of justice due to gross discrimination. Someone's past mistakes and learning disabilities don't equal a murderer. Ironically, Christie had a relatively normal upbringing and was somewhat smart, especially for the time he grew up in.
I watch a lot of true crime, you probably do too since you are here, so I'm sure you've noticed this but I was just going to add that I think our society still puts a lot of innocent people with intellectual disabilities and past mistakes away to life sentences and to death row. I watched a documentary about a handful of death row inmates they were able to exonerate with modern DNA evidence. The lengths they have to go to not only obtain, but then present this evidence to the court and have a death row conviction overturned is extraordinarily complex almost designed to not let it happen, it seems like. The court doesn't want to ever admit a mistake was made. Our justice system cannot fail even once in their eyes. The Alford Plea is such a great illustration of that. A defendant pleading they're innocent but also having to admit the court has enough evidence to convict them so they must beg for mercy to be aquitted even though they are innocent...so bizarre. Like they cannot admit a mistake can be made. They act like they're omniscient, like a god or something. I can barely stand to think about all the innocent people caged and killed due to society's discrimination, still, today.
In the beginning they say Evans can't read ( a medical book shown by Christie ) ... at the end they say that he confessed after he read a letter his mother wrote to his aunt ... which one is it?
Yeah, good point there. He may have had a low IQ, but he was able to read a letter from his mother, so I’m just as confused - which one is it? Could he read or not? 🤔
Evans couldn’t read; it’s believed his confession was led by the police officers, and the transcription - since he couldn’t read or right - was further edited to “correct” any mistakes from when Evans deviated from the details he had been fed by the police. The confession didn’t come from having read a letter from his mother; it came from intense interrogation from police who had convinced a simpleton that he had committed the murder despite having no real recollection. It was essentially “gaslighting” - they were so confident and insistent that he did it that, once he’d been worn down by the interrogation, he internalized what they told him and simply parroted back the details they’d provided him.
I cannot believe this lie is being repeated still. Christie was NOT a doctor. He had served in St. John's Ambulance and probably had a rudimentary certificate for First Aid lasting a few weekends of his time. He had no idea how to perform an abortion and used it only as an entree to rape and murder desperate women. There is as much evidence of Ethel assisting him in his abortions as there is of his holding a medical degree. Which is to say none at all. That is a really despicable slight against her character, and she would be murdered at his hand.
@@jenniferbrown8314 It’s called 10 Rillington Place. Released in 1971, starring Richard Attenborough (David’s brother), John Hurt and Judy Geeson. I hope this helps.
How strange that Nothing Hill and Kensington is very posh and expensive parts of London ,so different to those times ,describe as dirty ,seedy and rundown
I thought he was impotent? Then he got married (maybe they didn't have sex). But then it says he had an affair with someone. I assume affair means you have sex with the person. So now I'm confused.
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These things are so out of an average mind! It's interesting how parental relations have a HUGE effect on these kinds of criminals. I don't always agree with my parents, but I respect them and have always cut myself lose from any negative individual. It's liberating, to forgive others and let go. Let God have vengeance on whom He chooses. What is it about London murders after WW2? Goodness me! What the heck gives people the kick to kill others. 😳
Yea, I noticed that too. After a war there SEEMS LIKE there becomes an uptick in serial killers. I first thought I noticed it when I was checking out all the American serial killers after Vietnam...so many!
Exactly. He never was. He had no idea how to perform an abortion and never did. He said he would do so to Beryl Evans and she turned up that day dead on her bed bleeding, yes, from there. God knows what he did to her, he was a monster.
Some people must be born evil, to murder another human is an unforgivable act, we need harsh punishment or murderers have zero fear, to go along with their zero empathy, injection to put them down easily, screw that, they should suffer, like the victims and their family suffered.
Co-defendants would be sitting at the same table as the primary defendant or held in jail if they were to be tried separately. I should think witnesses, once they've given their testimony, would be allowed to attend the rest of the trial as a regular audience member. Recall that John Christie wasn't a defendant during the first trial. Trying to (accurately) pin the murder on him was strictly a defense tactic.
I wish someone would do a story on that boy who was lost in the woods and found and raised by Wolf Blitzer. He talked in a monotone voice and instead of saying good morning or hello he would say breaking news or this just in. Interesting case.
Nothing new to see hear. The definition of coward would never exist if certain behaviors weren't actively exercised. A coward, no doubt will always need another to cast blame on.
First the monster killed Timothy's wife and baby then he get hung for it, this is why I never really agreed with death penalty, after they found out he was not the killer, what use was that, you can't bring the poor man back and apologise, you've killed him, the law failed this man and his family, the only thing I can possibly hope is that Timothy and his family are back together.
Why do so many documentaries feel the need to interject the story with 'dramatized scenes' which, like these here, are hopelessly inaccurate? This is a trend started a few years ago and it's very misleading. I gave this a thumbs down for that reason alone.
The eviction MORATORIUM crowd should all get voted out. They forced private citizens to pay rents for total strangers for 2 long years while they had to pay theirs also. The pains, the headaches that landlords have been going through are unfair. They did that just on the name of a mysterious disease that everyone had to go through.
Meanwhile the landlords don't get mortgage moratorium or any relief cuz of the chinese common cold they on brink of ruin....the federal gov is so untrustworthy and incompetent that communisim gov telling private propery owners what can and can't do
I cried for Timothy Evans 😭 What an unfortunate lad.. may he reunited with his wife and daughter in heaven.. RIP the Evans
I haven't watched the doc yet so they probably mention this but I know Timothy AND his wife were both intellectually disabled and had suffered their whole lives due to that. Being dirt poor AND disabled intellectually and then to also have this happen? I swear Hell is on Earth for some people. I can't imagine. Our ancestors were tough as nails. I imagine suicide rates would skyrocket if our current society was suddenly plunged into these living/social economic conditions.
This is one of the most tragic stories I've ever heard, that monster took everything from Tim Evans.
This case touched me ..my heart went out to da innocent family
@Lady Jay Mac timothy Evans was an alcoholic who beat his wife. Since he initially told police he had given his wife a potion to cause an abortion and that had caused her to die, there seems to be a lot of missing info here on what really happened. As for your last point, the problems and social conditions our ancestors faced are carried over now. A lot of them were abused, abusive and violence was normal. That is, of course, very normal human conditioning, unfortunately.
the acting is better in these documentaries than most TV shows and movies today.
Makes you wonder how many have been executed for a crime they didn't commit.
Many, th9ink about how many people have been exonerated on Death Row in the US since DNA testing.
@@TheLochs it does make me wonder literally how many.
@@yuta7359 I shudder at the thought
One is too many. A lot have been executed for crimes they never committed. Almost all of them poor. That’s a fact.
Precisely why this case led to the abolition of the death penalty in the UK; we executed an innocent for nothing other than being a simpleton easily led in police interrogations..
There is a very good movie about this story. It's a British movie called 10 Rillington Place starring Richard Attenborough and John Hurt. It was made in 1971 and is adapted from the book about the case, Ten Rillington Place.
There is also a tv mini series called Rillington Place, which is also very good, although I do prefer Richard Attenborough as Christie, Tim Roth does an excellent job as well.
Book by Ludovic Kennedy great book, great movie ❤️
I think the actors playing main characters are very good, this is an excellent reconstruction documentary...very chilling, highlighting the fact that a men was executed wrongly because of the callous, murderous nature of Christie...
Yea, I think you can watch it for free on youtube here right now. I saw it when I was searching for a documentary for the case.
Christie done it!
The actor who played Christie is excellent (all actors in this series are, but this story was chillingly well told in my opinion).
I think playing Tim Evans is the most difficult one.. imagine the mix of feelings, confused, worry, upset, angry, shocked, panic, guilty all at once.. man that guy is brilliant
Imagine how horrible it must be to have just lost your wife and child and then getting wrongly convinced and executed for the murder or your baby
Felt for this innocent man,😢.watched this when out on TV. So terrible press didn't help at the time.
Ruth was domestic abuse, both to each other but outcome drastic.
Crimes Victoria times then wars brought out evil slime balls.
Real Crime is a great show. Great narrator.
Nothing gives me more chills than the Timothy Evans' detainment photograph. His face of fear in the midst of all pointing fingers accusing him. You can feel how afraid he is. And still the authorities are there, still, like a normal routine, arresting the "
"culprit"
Indeed an shocking one!! Please team don't ever stop making such historic real crime videos.. these are outstanding and scary at the same time
Another excellent episode. Thankyou.
Amazing. I had never heard of this crime before. Well done!!!
Obviously not a true crime fan
How can they refer to Christie as a ‘respectable man’ when he’s had 4 convictions?!!!
He did not tell them of his convictions, and he had been enlisted as a War Reserve Policeman because nobody had checked his records,
At the time England was a class conscious society and Christie belonged to the class deemed "respectable", so it's meant in that context
Great video! 10 Rillington Place is an excellent movie about this case.
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Where is the second part of this? I gotta see this Christie guy get his.
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@@pauladenisecoutinho2203 oh, thanks but I found it with a search on DDG. Found it on another platform. Thanks anyways
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What happened to Evans was definitely a miscarriage of justice due to gross discrimination.
Someone's past mistakes and learning disabilities don't equal a murderer. Ironically, Christie had a relatively normal upbringing and was somewhat smart, especially for the time he grew up in.
I watch a lot of true crime, you probably do too since you are here, so I'm sure you've noticed this but I was just going to add that I think our society still puts a lot of innocent people with intellectual disabilities and past mistakes away to life sentences and to death row. I watched a documentary about a handful of death row inmates they were able to exonerate with modern DNA evidence. The lengths they have to go to not only obtain, but then present this evidence to the court and have a death row conviction overturned is extraordinarily complex almost designed to not let it happen, it seems like. The court doesn't want to ever admit a mistake was made. Our justice system cannot fail even once in their eyes. The Alford Plea is such a great illustration of that. A defendant pleading they're innocent but also having to admit the court has enough evidence to convict them so they must beg for mercy to be aquitted even though they are innocent...so bizarre. Like they cannot admit a mistake can be made. They act like they're omniscient, like a god or something. I can barely stand to think about all the innocent people caged and killed due to society's discrimination, still, today.
I'm sure the judge, jury and prosecutors bear their guilts for the rest of their lives
Omg can't wait for pt 2 ! Actually, I can't wait, I'll look it up on my own ! Thanks, great video
@@pamm3309 Already have now, thanks though 😁🇺🇸❤
@@pamm3309 What is it called on Netflix?
@@pamm3309 I cant find it
Andy Wiffler murder maps
Geo locked in 🇬🇧
In the beginning they say Evans can't read ( a medical book shown by Christie ) ... at the end they say that he confessed after he read a letter his mother wrote to his aunt ... which one is it?
Yeah, good point there. He may have had a low IQ, but he was able to read a letter from his mother, so I’m just as confused - which one is it? Could he read or not? 🤔
Evans couldn’t read; it’s believed his confession was led by the police officers, and the transcription - since he couldn’t read or right - was further edited to “correct” any mistakes from when Evans deviated from the details he had been fed by the police.
The confession didn’t come from having read a letter from his mother; it came from intense interrogation from police who had convinced a simpleton that he had committed the murder despite having no real recollection.
It was essentially “gaslighting” - they were so confident and insistent that he did it that, once he’d been worn down by the interrogation, he internalized what they told him and simply parroted back the details they’d provided him.
@@QUARTERMASTEREMI6 could be mom used simple terms and chirstie shown him a " medical book" in a different language
Or shown him Grey's anatomy...it looks like a medical book to a lay person..
Probably someone read it for him
He murdered his wife and put her under the floorboards of his front room. My dad was a copper at the time and was there when the police dug her up.
I cannot believe this lie is being repeated still.
Christie was NOT a doctor. He had served in St. John's Ambulance and probably had a rudimentary certificate for First Aid lasting a few weekends of his time. He had no idea how to perform an abortion and used it only as an entree to rape and murder desperate women. There is as much evidence of Ethel assisting him in his abortions as there is of his holding a medical degree. Which is to say none at all.
That is a really despicable slight against her character, and she would be murdered at his hand.
Watch the old 'Rilington place' film, the old black and white one or the recent BBC one, both are great but chilling.
Do you know the link, or how can I find em?
@@jenniferbrown8314 It’s called 10 Rillington Place. Released in 1971, starring Richard Attenborough (David’s brother), John Hurt and Judy Geeson. I hope this helps.
@@turdferguson400 thank you very much for your help, I'm gonna look it up now 😀
@@jenniferbrown8314 If you’re a crime buff like me you’ll love it. The acting is superb, especially John Hurt as Timothy Evans. Enjoy. 😃
@@turdferguson400 Sweet, can't wait 👍
If only he had turned his hand to interior decoration.
Do the district attorney who prosecuted Timothy Evans or the jury who convicted him have any remorse
Poor Timothy Evans, he never stood a chance!
There's a chap I see sometimes in the local high street who is Christie's double. Chilling sight.
How strange that Nothing Hill and Kensington is very posh and expensive parts of London ,so different to those times ,describe as dirty ,seedy and rundown
This is absolutely horrific... Fuck me sideways what a horrible case this is. Makes me so angry!
I thought he was impotent? Then he got married (maybe they didn't have sex). But then it says he had an affair with someone. I assume affair means you have sex with the person. So now I'm confused.
This case hurts. Poor Timothy Evans... As someone who also struggles with their own intellectual disabilities, this one really hits.
You have been Exonerated Mr Tim Evans to the World.
RIP now Sir❤🎈⚘⚘⚘🇺🇸 You are Loved, and I'm So Sorry your Country Turned on You and let you down (with your Loving Life)
We All know the Truth, So Sorry this happened to you ! RIP DEAREST Sweet Darling Angel ❤🎈⚘
He was a violent drunk... Ur acting like he was a man of good character.
@@mayfalltribe4747 So he wasn't a man of good character and deserved to die? You're a special one!
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
These things are so out of an average mind! It's interesting how parental relations have a HUGE effect on these kinds of criminals. I don't always agree with my parents, but I respect them and have always cut myself lose from any negative individual. It's liberating, to forgive others and let go. Let God have vengeance on whom He chooses.
What is it about London murders after WW2? Goodness me! What the heck gives people the kick to kill others. 😳
Yea, I noticed that too. After a war there SEEMS LIKE there becomes an uptick in serial killers. I first thought I noticed it when I was checking out all the American serial killers after Vietnam...so many!
Adolf put an add in the paper " serial killers wanted to run my concentration camps "
Christie was never a doctor!
“The Doctor Who….” not….”The Doctor That….”
Miss Grammar police ❤️😂❤️
Since when was Christie a doctor?
He implied it without actually saying so...
Exactly. He never was. He had no idea how to perform an abortion and never did. He said he would do so to Beryl Evans and she turned up that day dead on her bed bleeding, yes, from there. God knows what he did to her, he was a monster.
Some people must be born evil, to murder another human is an unforgivable act, we need harsh punishment or murderers have zero fear, to go along with their zero empathy, injection to put them down easily, screw that, they should suffer, like the victims and their family suffered.
39:40 sickest part of this entire twisted story
This always have pissed me off.
Is it Still "Normal " over there in that country to have witnesses or co-defendants to be in the audience like this ? Wth
Co-defendants would be sitting at the same table as the primary defendant or held in jail if they were to be tried separately. I should think witnesses, once they've given their testimony, would be allowed to attend the rest of the trial as a regular audience member. Recall that John Christie wasn't a defendant during the first trial. Trying to (accurately) pin the murder on him was strictly a defense tactic.
Who’s here after watching McBallen?
Excellent. Tfs.
I am boycotting the tube : Too many advertisements.
Me gusta la programación! John Christie fue horrible!
Gracias por el👍
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I wish someone would do a story on that boy who was lost in the woods and found and raised by Wolf Blitzer. He talked in a monotone voice and instead of saying good morning or hello he would say breaking news or this just in. Interesting case.
Wtf?
What an awful human being
What Dr?
Is this series on DVD ?
Nothing new to see hear. The definition of coward would never exist if certain behaviors weren't actively exercised. A coward, no doubt will always need another to cast blame on.
First the monster killed Timothy's wife and baby then he get hung for it, this is why I never really agreed with death penalty, after they found out he was not the killer, what use was that, you can't bring the poor man back and apologise, you've killed him, the law failed this man and his family, the only thing I can possibly hope is that Timothy and his family are back together.
Very well done my brother 👌🤣
Music is owful and too Loud
I love this documentary but the guy in the blue shirt is so hard to understand.
Why do the English often pronounce TH as an F?
I did this very often when I was younger.. its bc I was kinda lazy to add that extra OOMPH to the words :-D
It is mainly the cockneys of London who pronounce TH as F, but most of the rest of the country pronounce it as TH.
It's not laziness, it's just part of the accent in many areas.
@@minty5585 I was speaking for me.. obviously.
Has part 2 been released yet?
Wow...Christie strangled a baby. jesus H........
Seriously? Doesn't "Real Crime" actually watch the clips he posts? Christie was not a doctor.
He ain't the only one that's for sure
Wait ... the baby passed .
Damn ... I am way behind the ball here .
I guess , the thought of even such a thing , is worth mentioning
71 moviu was sometthing
when attenboeoygh played the main role.
Rest in peace
Doctor doctor please ooooo
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i've read about this.
Looking back, WW2 must have been fun. Imagine the things you could get away with. Damn I'm living in the wrong time
Cool thing about the death penalty, when you execute the wrong person, no need to pay them for the time spent in prison.
Why the hell would a father admit to something due to shame and or guilt. , when you have a baby that ever so needs you ...
The doctor WHO let another. That = object. Who = person. It’s basic grammar.
Sorry his name is Albert Patrick clever man
Killings a drug like any other, he just had a few relapses from the war that's all...well maybe he was just a lil insane
he wasn't a doctor!
But he implied that he was...
Why do so many documentaries feel the need to interject the story with 'dramatized scenes' which, like these here, are hopelessly inaccurate? This is a trend started a few years ago and it's very misleading. I gave this a thumbs down for that reason alone.
The eviction MORATORIUM crowd should all get voted out. They forced private citizens to pay rents for total strangers for 2 long years while they had to pay theirs also. The pains, the headaches that landlords have been going through are unfair. They did that just on the name of a mysterious disease that everyone had to go through.
Meanwhile the landlords don't get mortgage moratorium or any relief cuz of the chinese common cold they on brink of ruin....the federal gov is so untrustworthy and incompetent that communisim gov telling private propery owners what can and can't do
@@mertalawiscious2873 Feds have been doing that since USA was founded (don't know about anywhere else).
What does this have to do with the vid?
YOU NEED TO S.L.E.E.P.
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Evens was guilty as hell, a compulsive liar to the end,
I can't watch anything with people who sound like that anymore. The racism against meghan is atrocious. I prefer american true crime anyway.
Based on what evidence? And don't say the Daily Mail. That is trash.
Wait. Why?
@@lisakatz2539 who is Meghan? I just watched this, no one named that
I think you commented on the wrong video
Meghan markle is not in this video