The Engine Chrysler SHOULD Have Developed
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2019
- Long before Daytona Mystery Motors and Boss Fords, Chrysler was mass producing canted valve V-8's..Not for performance, but for economy. They really missed the boat with this one.
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Dad had a '63 Dodge station wagon, had the 318 poly in it. I was outrunning ridiculously hopped up cars and surprising all of them, keeping up with most and drilling some others. The body was the 440 trim level, most of the dudes thought that meant a 440 cid engine! crazy good fun stuff back then.
Only a gear head can understand the bonding with a chunk of metal
%100.
Better keep Uncle Tony away from the International 6.9 & 7.3 IDI engines. Gear driven oil pump, cam, and injection pump. Roller lifters. No spark plugs. Humongous ports. Heavy duty, baby! If he gets into one of those, he may never get clean again. ;-)
@@PompiisGarage - The 392 gas engines are awesome too! scoutpluss.com/bored-stroked-392-ih-454-or/
It's a beautiful thing 👍👊
@silverbird58 - Speed costs money. How fast you wanna go?
I wouldn’t mind seeing a poly 318 build. 👍🏻
Yes...please....a poly with an AX15 trans build
Tony will hit 500k subscribers in no time, he has endless knowledge and is so down to earth. I went from hey this winter let’s build a LS to thoughts of a slant 6 or a 318.
Uncle Tony was fighting back the urge to hug that engine lol
Haha...I was thinking the same thing.
no suck on that siggie
I would have
I heard they both ran to Vegas and eloped.
If you ever had a 318 poly motor, you'd understand... heck, I'm jealous just looking at it (and pining for the good old days)
They had other polyhead engines as well. There was a 270, and a 315 poly as well as others. These were called 'A' engines. I had a 315 poly in a 58 Dodge truck.
Here might be a fleet of panel trucks with these engines. I tried looking up the drug company, hoping that it really existed. But had no luck yet: ua-cam.com/video/Am117SU5Xp0/v-deo.html
I had a 315 in a 57 d100 in high school. The intake was kind of a high rise it was cool. They also made a 315 hemi version
I have to agree with you 100%. I have worked with the 318 poly in marine use and it was great.
My current project is a 313 poly industrial in a 1963 Bombardier snow coach. (Canadian)
Even though it's no performance beast, the 318 poly is probably my favorite street engine of all time. And I just mean something that's good for cruising around, sounds great, and has a little get up and go. I'm a sucker for an underdog, but for me there's nothing like the unique rumble of a poly. Stroke and cam one, and they can sound downright MEAN. Long live the 318 poly! :D
The 318 poly was the standard "grocery getter" engine in Dodges and Plymouth in the early and mid-60s. It was simple and reliable.
There is a lot of performance to be had from a poly. Think 500hp+ naturally aspirated
I have a soft spot in my heart for the 318 engine. My first car was Grandad's 1965 Plymouth Fury III 4-door with a 318 in it. It was a rock solid engine that never gave me any problems. Not long after I was given it I was taking a few friends to the beach in Galveston, TX. We were running down 45 South out of Houston and managed to get it up to 115 mph trying to keep up with a mid-70's Firebird. You should have seen the look on the guys face when we pulled up beside him at that speed. Ah, the memories of the stupid **** we used to pull as teenagers.
It was fun as heck!
In my automotive class back in the "70's we always called these engines big block 318's. And yes they were awesome!
@Marco D'Magnifico Cutoff was 66 (last year) for USA and 67 (last year) for Canada. These engines can be bored out a whopping .090 according to the Poly gurus.
@@tehagent1321 not only that but the stroker cranks for the la motors fits😁👍
@@hex374 Which proves that the Poly 318 was NOT a big block.
@jamesbosworth4191 that's right never said it was it was a A engine the 68 and newer was a LA low angle small block
I have had a sedan, a truck, a van and a sport's coupe powered by 318s. Everything good he said about them was true, but they had a higher top end than what he implied. One of ours had the twin Holley quads on an Edelbrock manifold, and let's just say it was something impressive.
Watching this video makes me nauseatingly nostalgic, regretting having ever sold any of those wonderful machines, much less for so little.
I can relate entirely to his sentiments of bonding with them. This was my evening routine, ripping them apart just like that.
I think everyone should drive a 318 at some point in his life.
I have one in my 63 Belvedere and I always said these things are torque monsters.
Pretty quick 0 to 50 speed even with a 2bbl. carb
But at idle you feel the ground rumble like a big block.
Dawm near bullet proof great motor
When I was about 12 years old in the 60's Dad bought a used 58 Fury with the dual quad poly motor. I bonded with Mopar muscle way back then. Great video Tony. I love the history lesson.
Hey mate
Greetings from Australia.. we have a Chrysler motor that fits the “ semi hemi” description.. the 245 and 265 “ hemi” six cylinder. Stout motors that went pretty bloody well for the 70s. Fitted to our locally built valiant cars and utes.
I really enjoy your content and respect your knowledge and passion. Cheers mate and keep it going!!
Hello , much love and respect from USA 🇺🇸 for our Australian Allies.
You guy's are tops in my book .
I'm with old mate. LOVE my poly 318. Runs like a clock and plenty of go. I even made a coffee table out of a spare and sit and admire it! ( I probably need to get out more...)
The mopar 318 is one of the best small blocks ever made. I've owned several of them.
I love both 318s and /6's but I like the /6's the most because they're unique and no one else wants them.
@@the_car_guy5915 I remember working at a gas station around 1980 and checking the oil on a lot of slant six motors. They were notorious for foaming up the oil. I usually had to wipe the dipstick twice when checking the oil. I remember those, and the Chevy 283 V8 were the motors they had to stop making because they lasted too long (so the story went). I loved the 327 but then came the 350 and it was never built again.
Cept the poly wasn't small, same as the old hemi. LA was a much smaller motor.
@Brian Paulson Sounds a bit too good, they stopped the poly in cars in 66 and started the LA block in 67. They both had the exact same HP rating but the LA was considerably lighter.
I put 1 in a 1953 austin healy. 3 spd w/ o.d.
My grandfather was a firm believer in these engines. As he would say uses Hemi bottom end components and were almost unstoppable. He had one of these engines in his 63 D200
I would presume that engine was in my parent's 57 Belevedere. I could sleep like a baby when that motor purred. OK, I was a baby at first, but they had the car until I was 9. It was so full of holes we could see the road beneath our feet! Mom would yell, "PUDDLE!!", and we'd have to lift our feet or get soaked.
I remember the road runner ads where the coyote would put his feet through the floor and then run to chase the road runner. I didn't get that, until many years later, living in the salt belt.
Fred Flintstone car.
That era of mopars rusted out incredibly fast and it really makes me wonder why....a damn shame to the virgil exner designed mopars are some of the coolest body styles ever made....and very very few left...certainly due to rusting so badly
@@adammarsden4650 Chrysler Curse I call it. Still active to this day!
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In 1972 my dad bought a used two tone red and white 1966 or 1967 D100 with a polysphere 318 that had been hot rodded with 3 deuces, maybe a small cam, and glasspacks - and to my 12 year old self it was the coolest thing ever! I loved popping the hood to show all my buddies the three carbs sitting proud with their chrome air cleaners - and I was always waiting for my dad to punch it to pass slower traffic.
As always, thank you, Uncle Tony. We’re literally receiving a graduate level education in Mopar through your channel. I was one of the people who mentioned the Big Block Chevy, Boss 429, Boss 302, and Cleveland 351 / 400 on that ball stud Hemi video. This sure is a beautiful piece of engineering
I owned two of these engines one in a 1958 Plymouth Belvedere and the other in a 1966 Fury which was the last year for them. Both were reliable smooth running and fairly economical to run engines.
I remember watching my father change the motor out on our 60s era Plymouth Fury 3. It had a 318 in it. When he started it up without the exhaust it made a beautiful sound! You're right, it did have a very smooth powered delivery. Even as a child, I remember that. Great motor!
We had a new 68 Fury 3 Fastback with the new 3 Channel 8 track but I remember we would look at car lots and I would See Fury one, very two and then the fury 3. That was I think 67 and 60 + 9 and maybe 70? They had it stamped on the hood ornament 318 or 383 I believe it was those two years only for the hood ornament marking
My dad bought a brand new Plymouth station wagon with a 318 when he came home from Viet Nam in 1961. Us kids were thrilled with the new car. It even had power steering! That engine was sweet and held up very well as the family was moved to various posts my father was assigned to. We drove it all over Europe and brought it back to the States when he retired and kept driving it. After he sold it years later I saw some guy driving up the freeway and the car was still going strong.
Economy is right. I had one of those in my 73 Plymouth Satellite Sebring + and I once got 400 miles on a single tank of gas. All on the highway of course. That engine was as smooth as silk and as powerful as I ever needed it to be.
The only way that would be possible is if somebody swapped out the motors
I had the 71 model with a 440 and pasted everything but a gas station even with the 271 gears. I really miss that car
When I was 17, I bought a 54' Chrysler New Yorker with a 331 Hemi. I still regret selling it!
Damn, who doesn't regret selling numerous cars? How original.
@@josephjakubec3171 exactly!!! And cars last forever where I live. I can buy a mint green 70s malibu classic 4door no rust runs and drives good for 1500 bucks ... from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠
I had a 52 sold it too
I got rid of my 68 Dodge Dart, 2 door hardtop, 318 auto on the column. Yellow with a black vinyl top. Sweet car! You don't see these around anymore.
I have a 54 New Yorker wagon right now1
The Ford 351 Cleveland is arguably the most tunable, greatest small block ever produced, it's an incredible piece of machinery....and this vid is very informational, I like how "real" dude is, like he could be the guy I'd take my 85 AMC Cj-7 to get worked on and it'd be done correctly every time....I subscribed 👍
The Cleveland had a short run.a true performance motor.very underrated
Too bad it has oil starvation issues at high RPM.
I love old Mopars first car I ever owned was a 71 duster . It used to eat chevys and fords up on Friday and Saturday nights . These videos sure do make me miss that car .
My first car was free it was a 1975 Plymouth Grand Fury sitting in a farmers field that had a 318. I asked about it, and he said if you can get it to run you can have it. Took me about 30 minutes to get it running, but not great. In the end the car needed paint, new fuel lines as they were pinched under the car, and a carb rebuild. Ran like a champ.
My dad had this engine with factory 4 barrel and scavenger exhaust manifolds in a 57 Fury. The only mod was JCPenney slicks and timing advance. Ran it very successfully in stock amateur drags around the Pittsburgh area in 59 and 60. Was a little slow off the line, but purely wicked mid track winning nearly every time.
Wait JCPenney used to sell tires??
@@Coronet_shop maybe JC Whitney
Those JCPenney tires I think look like Mickey Thompsons
@@ZacLowing that's what I thinking too afterwards
@@Coronet_shop And Sears sold HOUSES!! Screw AMAZON-I would rather look at something in person than order blind and discover someone didn't do their job, and now my new thing-a-ma-Bob wont fit at 7:00 Friday night, and the drag strip is scheduled to open at 12:00 the next day....
It's always good to see Uncle Tony smile.
I love teaching Chevy guys about this motor it also helps teach people about the most efficient way to lay out valves and flow when you compare side by side to canted to stacked
I'm one of the guys that plays with these and I was the first to dyno the new Chrysler Power intake (Thanks Roland-RIP Buddy). Love these engines! My OE 318 ran very well but I Turned mine into a 392 ci stroker motor, .040" over, 4" LA crank, 9.5:1, .470 cam, CP intake, dyno'd at 405 hp, 472 tq. Makes for a nice street motor in a 65 Coronet 'vert! ;) Bill from Conowingo, MD
Those poly's were good looking engines to me. Always love to see one in an old Mopar.
I love that zig zag edge of the valve covers.
*throws empty water bottle around like a boss*
Me: ok tony I’ll watch the damn video.
It was actually gasoline
This guy gets it
this motor is a big block not a small block
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My wife and I bought a 1964 dodge 440, it is a grandma car with this motor. Best car I have ever owned! Easy to work on, power to spare, goes 120 on the highway with no problems.Starts up with the outside temp. of -20 degrees! Love it!!!
Forged crank and floating rods... you're a gold mine to listen to Tony.
Do a video showcasing all of your cars and talk about each of them a little.
I second this. Been waiting along time haha.
Agreed !!!
Uncle Tony gave the comment a heart, but no reply. Sad.
He has talked about his cars Not all at once. But. He has focused on each one
You're just too lazy to watch all his videos. That's OK Evan. *Abide with the universe…*
It's hard to beat a 318 for good, old daily use. This one, all the more.
My Dad had a 62 Plymouth Belvedere 313 v8, I was 16 and had my license, that car was a rocket, a 62 Impala 327 try to pass me one night, later the friend said he had the chev all out and could not over take me, young and stupid huh lol
Yep, even into the magnum era they're still solid. Uncle has a '98 Ram with the 5.2 (318). Been driven all up and down the east coast, shame the odometer's went out as we're sure it exceeded 300K.
@@cpufreak101 second that. I have a 93 dakota with rebuilt 5.2mag, offroad/truck cam package. I whoop cars i shoulded be able to. All it needs is a bottle and locker. Hell my stock 5.2 grand puts in work with the all wheel drive holding it to the road
learned to drive in a 1970 dodge d-100 ..... 318 and 4 speed stick with granny low.....no power anything
did that in the twin cities MN...... exhaust rusted to the manifolds..... on 6 lanes of freeway
it got some looks
Ken Call: I love them both - specially the leaning tower of power! But I have to admit, my most cherished was the 340. That little darlin’ was sweet!
I'm a Ford man but I appreciate your understanding of all things mechanical and you sharing your knowledge, most all of it can be useful to the other Auto maker fans. Keep your hands dirty and your conscience clean.
I've never had a poly engine, but I loved my 318, in my Dodge, and the slant 6 Plymouth I had. 67 Belvedere, ported polished slant 6, shaved .060, super six intake with a bbd Carter from a 318. Lots of fun, miss that car.
Enjoyed the history lesson. I remember these engines when they were new, they'd fill up an engine bay for only 318 cu. ins. Some of these poly-dome engines were destined for industrial use like irrigation pumps, too. It was a lot of fun being alive and a gearhead back in those days. I even had a 55 Chevy gasser that I would drive on the street. The J.C. Whitney catalog ruled for performance parts by mail-order.
LOL I remember J.C. Whitney Catalog. I loved The stuff they had in those catalog and very reasonably priced. I rebuilt my 318 Poly for like $150.00 back then.
Thanks Uncle Tony. I believe I was one person who commented on the ball stud Hemis similar structure when you did that video. A lot of the land speed racing guys used to love the 301 cu. In. spitfire. You could put Chrysler hemi heads on it, piston, cam change, etc. And have one killer D/Blown Fuel engine....set many records out at Bonneville. I know at least 1 team that still uses this combination.
Now That's Cool information
I swear man...towards the end if the episode i was wonderin damn i wonder if any other heads could fit on them....
My first rebuild project was a 318 dodge,in my dad's station wagon. I had big plans,like all kids,i found a two four barrel manifold,and was keen on using it on this 64 . my dad saw the setup of 2 four barrels on the table,next to the original 2 barrel carb and manifold,and told me to forget about my hot rod dreams,with his car,anyway. Good vibes,tony#
I had a 1964 Dodge with the Poly engine. It was a great engine and truck.
I had a 63 with the 318 and it was a monster truck. I should have never sold it. I loved that old truck more than my wife. Hence the reason I had to sell
It. Now I’m divorced and wish I could find the old girl(truck)and get her back. 😎
@@cygnus1965 unfortunately mine was in an accident when I was young and poor. It got impounded and I couldn't afford to get it out. ,😭
my first car was a 65 fury with a 318 ,bone stock except for dual exhaust, it was surprising how fast that car was, after that I had a 68 cutlass F85,67 cutlass with a 327 chevy motor, 71 buick GS,69 chevelle,71 chevelle station wagon with police interceptor motor.I would put that fury up against any of them.That 318 was some stout motor. P.S. I paid $90 for that 65 fury!
0:38 Am I the only one that heard 1851??
Chrysler was WAY ahead of its time. 0:37
No you weren't. It was pretty funny.
I thought that's what I heard also. Maybe that "water bottle" had vodka in it.
Ya heard that too
Hemi "Firepower" engine form 1951-1958.
Tony, thanks for presenting this introduction to the polysphere sphere. They made lots of A 318s. Up until recently you could pick these up for $100. As you say they have much untapped power potential. Further weird single rocker engines, don't forget Canadian versions like the 303 Spitfires.
I have a 57 Dodge D-100 with the 315 poly and a cast iron push-button torqueflite. It needs a rebuild and although parts are available they aren't common. The only thing I haven't found are new camshafts so I'll have mine reground I reckon. Just wondering how long before I see a video of you building an early poly or Dodge or Desoto Hemi. In all your spare time Haha.
Whats cool is that the early poly motors are a great source of hemi bottom ends, as only the 313, 318, and 326 ones will not take hemi heads as a bolt on. You are limited on cam lift because the valve reliefs are not in the right spot and you have to swap in a hemi cam due to the different valve layout, but its a easy swap.
I’ve always been curious about these motors. Thanks for the deep dive!
I agree Chrysler should have ran with the poly design and took it a little further in development would of been interesting to see wat they would of did!
We had two new ones in '60 and '64.
The '60 Phoenix 260 hp power pack TF was hard for 62-3-4 Impalas 327/ 250 hp stick cars to deal with.
15.3 @95 mph through the mufflers at @ 75*.
A little gear and glass packs had it at 14.8 @ 96. No hedders.
The 64 Polara 500 TF 2 bbl was only 2/10 off.
If only...
66 Charger 383 TF...
I *totally* agree with your assessment. The polysphere 318 is one of my favorite engines even though I never owned one. Butterball-smooth, incredibly reliable and equally incredible gas mileage reported by the folks I knew who had one. One strange quirk that I recall was that every single one I knew of had a slight hesitation just off-idle; I figured it might have been due to the spaghetti-bowl intake manifold or some other idiosyncrasy of this engine. Another thing I seem to remember reading many years ago was that the '65-'66 poly heads were notably better in the breathing department, but my memory isn't what it used to be. Still, they were truly fantastic and Chrysler should indeed have never replaced it with the LA engine in my opinion.
Had one one of these engines in my first car. Was very impressed with it's reliability and design. And, being a typical teenager, I tried my damnedest to tear it up but failed to do so. Tough engine and it moved a 3600 lb. car around amazingly well.
Good stuff uncle Tony, I love these history lessons.
I love the 318 poly! Have one in my Chrysler windsor 1949. Love it!!
Had a 64 Plymouth Fury with the 318 poly and you are correct from about 1800 to 4000 rpm it shined. Really smooth power band. Mine was a 2bbl. I found a 4 bbl intake but there was some reason it wouldn't fit on my 64 and I forget exactly why that was a long damn time ago.
what a great education. as a mopar guy i've long been aware of them but knew very little except for the parts carry over to the la series. thanks man.
Had a 2 bbl Poly 318 in my 61' Dodge Power Wagon Crew Cab. What a great motor!! She'd cruise all day @ 75 mph!!
I saw one of these all apart for the first time last week. I had no idea what it was and have to admit I was pretty impressed
My 318's never had the displacement decal on the value cover.
Thanks for sharing this knowledge .
I must confess, this is the first time for me seeing or hearing about these!
VERY interesting!!!
Love it. I learned to drive at about 12 years old in my Dad's '67 Plymouth Fury III....it was a 318....not sure if Poly, but that thing was a runner.
And the brakes were touchy as hell...one slight input had you going into the steering wheel...lol.
I had a poly years ago in a 78 Plymouth trail duster. It pulled the 4x4 around good. Keep up the good videos. I could have a couple beers and talk old Mopars with you sometime.
This is an excellent video Uncle Tony.
Excellent in terms of content and production. This piece is worthy of your expertise and your commitment to excellence.
Thank you.
I used to stare at these engines myself when I worked my summer job at a junkyard.. thought they were cool looking. Cleveland Ford only was around 4 years in the states so I think it's safe to say they didn't get the development they probably deserved either....the Aussies used them well into the 80s and even have a 302 cube version.
We had one here as well
Boss 302.
@@billythebake actually their 302 is a little different...it's a 2v version head ...closed chambered..and bigger valves than our 2v. I got a set of Australian aluminum heads on mine (AFDs) ...the Aussies really know alot about how to make a Cleveland sing. Give it a Google and check it out...the difference will be explained better than I can.
@@kgooch69 from the factory all Cleveland 302s had a 2v Stromberg carb (76 they started fitting Carter 4v carbs) the, might be closed chamber but with the retarded cam timing they were gutless. But a cam, intake and carb changed that very quickly :) I know as I did that in 1990
I have a cousin who had a motorhome with a poly 318, I had never seen one it had a 2bbl carb and the zee zee valve covers and I found the engine block number was behind the alternator on the front of the motor , with the proper tune it ran like a champ. I told him it was like the truck 361 / 391 truck industrial engine vs the 360/390. That poly motor was Heavy Duty.
Had what I'm guessing is this engine (1965 version) in my '65 Plymouth Sport Fury. Had a nice 4bbl and dual exhaust with headers and glass packs. Buckets, slap stick auto, black interior with a blue-green exterior. Found it sitting in the back of a car lot on 4 flats and needing a new water pump and battery. Very respectable acceleration. Lot of rust in the rear quarters, but one of the nicest driving cars I've ever owned, and the interior was absolutely pristine. Never should have let it go - they are pretty valuable these days. Thanks Tony!
Hi Uncle Tony, I'm picturing that engine block just over flowing with tater tots, like popcorn at the theater
Dang Tony, I wish you were my neighbor so I could show up in your driveway to soak up knowledge. I didn't even like Mopar until I started watching your channel now I have the bug to buy one.
Not like MOPARS, that's blasphemy. When I was young I always like the MOPARS and thats what I drove. An old man asked me once, why I drove Chrysler products (in the 70's). He said he would never own another Chrysler product because when it gets cold they won't start. I asked him what he had that wouldn't start and he said it was like a 38 model Plymouth. People get things in their head and it hangs around the rest of their life.
Mopar is good. I have a second gen ram with 400k+ miles on it same trans and same 5.9 faster runs like a new one
Mopars are awesome!!! Easy to work on too.
@@jasonsimone3523 my 360 is getting punched and stroked to a 408 shout out to Sam's speed shop in dugger Indiana
I own a '58 Plymouth with this same engine with its factory small 2 barrel carb and an early "air-cooled" 3 speed Torqueflite trans... Not a racecar, but it sure is powerful and quite fast and doesn't drink that much fuel for what it is... I'm pleased with it.
I ran one for a short while in a 62 Dart "road toad". It lacked hp but had an amazing low steady strong 500 rpm idle it had a Stromberg 2bbl carb . I sold the whole engine for $50.00 and dropped in a 400 from a New Yorker had to sorce a BB push button trans that took some time too locate.
They were great, made damn good power with a 4 barrel, if I remember right it was 200hp with a 1brl carb and was around 280 by just putting the 4brl on, had a 64 66 and 67 d500 and a couple of d100s, awsome truck motor for sure and indestructible with that 1brl on it
290, and if you had the 350 it was 305 hp
Yes dodge had a 350 back n the late 50s, was put in the belvedere fury
230 horsepower with a 2 barrel, 260 with a 4 barrel. 290 with dual quads!
There used to be aftermarket performance parts for the polyspherical, too.
There is now. New intakes and all. Roland Osborne was big on the Poly.
Back in 1969 I just turned 19 when my uncle roll up with his brand new Baracuda coupe with a factory paisley top, the 2bbl 318ci motor, and 3 sp.auto on the column. He let me take it for a spin, and when I punched it at about 30 mph in 3rd gear, I blew my buddies unmodified 327 4bbl in a 55 Chevy off the road. I still chuckle when I recall the excuses he came up with for why he simply couldn’t keep up. Since then, I have come to consider the 318cid, and 225 slant six as two of the best motors of their era.
Love your channel U Tony, and the photography is always first rate as well. I’m amazed you don’t have half a million subs a the least. There’s literally something for everyone, weather you be a bonafide gear head or simply a curios onlooker.
I had a 1964 Polara with this engine. Bush button shift too. Great car especially with a four barrel intake and carb.
That reminds me now that we're on motorhomes I saw a really small Winnebago once and it had a newer 318 but it said 245 horsepower on the air cleaner I wanted to buy it just for that engine it wasn't the poly it was a newer 318 the motorhome has been trashed basically on the inside but still run like hell we drove it around the block, it was original matching number vehicle
motor homes have crate motor's in them so who knows what it could be just most are 440 mag if it is mopar but i got 2 454 strokers out of them and a square port head 427 but u can get up to a ls 6 454 in them best way to check them is find the paper work on it and the year of it and size can make the different and i have seen 318 in them too 340 and 360 also even a hemi can be in the older one's it's like a box of chocolates u never know what ur going to get best part is u can get them for free
I thought the 413 was the largest motor produced in 1964 but that was for cars. Motorhomes might have had a different size.
@@barnabyjones6995 my 64 dodge motor had a 318 poly ..
@@barnabyjones6995 the poly was physically a large looking engine it handled the motorhome fine gobs of torque
@@barnabyjones6995 i'm talking all years of motor homes like if it is chevy the old one had 396 and 427 in them if 70 and 80 most had 454 in them mopar are hard to say what it mite have in it fords had a lot of fe blocks then 460 was the popular choice but all are crate motor or engines just keeping the people happy
You should make a hat or shirt with your saying: “Im bonding with this motor” thats classical.
He is in love.
Correction : Engine ! all motors are powered by electricity . All engines make power by burning fuel .
I loved my '64 Polara with the 318, it was a rusty derelict that I threw a ton of Bondo in to make it look semi-presentable. I put on a Thrush muffler, and though it wasn't too fast it sounded great. One not so fond memory is that to remove the air cleaner, I had to turn a big key like from a sardine can and it would hurt my wrist almost every time. Also needed a serious puller to remove the rear brake drums. Still miss that car.
I have had a 318 magnum. So basically the la with fuel injection. I had overheated that motor 4 different times and haven't had an issue.
How are you with the folks over at Chrysler Power, Tony?
As you probably know, Roland Osborne was a huge proponent of the poly, to the point
of being involved with the development of that new intake they have for it.
I agree with you - it has been given short shrift historically.
Great video as always, sir. You never disappoint. :-)
(RIP Roland)
-Ed on the Ridge
Gary Pavolich Is another big name In the Poly world.
Gary Pavolich Is another big name In the Poly world.
How the hell did that happen???
How the hell did that happen???
Maybe you can tell me about an engine that I saw as a child it was a 383 hemi head with a single 4bbl
I love these they really were under utilized a performance head full roller valve train they could have sooo easily built a 500hp factory small block especially with the all steel bottom end and. full floating pistons
Thank you for your ability transfer your knowledge to others. I learned to work on cheap small block Chevys in the 70’s your knowledge of old mopars is priceless and invaluable thank you please keep your videos coming thank you
I was in the pits back in 1965 and ran into a guy with a 318 Semi- Hemi 65 Dodge. He blew off everything in His class and I believe could have taken some of the Higher classes Too. Real strong Engine.
A walking talking history lesson, thanks for the lesson, Uncle Tony.
Seems to me I remember seeing a 1957 Chrysler with a dual quads on what I think was a hemi.. but that was way back when, my memory might be faulty. I know I kinda freaked when I raised the hood on that beast. I don't remember the displacement, 300 something I think. but what got me was the dual quads on a cross ram intake manifold I remember wanting to buy the car just to get the engine.
That's interesting I saw a old 58 or 9 De Soto in a field one time and it had dual carburetors with humps on the hood the hunks might have been made but it was a cross ram intake 413
@@ronalddaub5049 That's not uncommon in Desotos (there were still some of those around when I was a teen too) as since 1928, DeSoto brand was owned by Chrysler, meant to be their lower end brand like Chevy was to GM at that point. So anything found on a Chrysler could sometimes be found in a DeSoto, at least the engines and other mechanical parts. The one you saw might have been an engine swap, might not, I'm not all that up on DeSoto as a brand.
@@tootall5559 yes
@@tootall5559 For most years the DeSoto was the lower priced companion to the Chrysler, using having a smaller version of a Chrysler motor and the same body shell as a Chrysler Windsor. In the hemi era that went out and the true low priced Mopars like Plymouth could be optioned with big blocks - the divisions competed themselves out of existence. Ford did the same with EdSel - and had to drop that one. DeSoto built its last cars in '61. To be fair, the '57 to 62 era were recession years and many customers were looking to economy cars. After '54 DeSoto thru '57 never shared any motor series with any other division. Coupled with the purchase of Briggs in '53, Chrysler was struggling with building car and truck bodies in-house - these are somewhat known as the tin worm years for lower priced Mopars. In '60 the cost solution was to bring body production into the assembly plant via the uni-body welding process, and body quality began to improve, but not before DeSoto was killed off.
@@timothykeith1367 Thanks I really didn't know all that much about DeSoto. I don't know much about Rambler either, but they made cars with some really cool features that actually made sense, though that wasn't enough to keep them afloat. Great little cars tho, least ways the few I knew were. I'm trying to think of the make and model of one I was looking at buying years ago... Was in the Rambler family... but a bit bigger and nicer. might have been a studebaker. All I really remember is that the engine ran like a fine watch, but without so much as a tick. Very quiet when idling. Wish I'd went ahead and bought it. At that time you could still get mechanical parts for it.
Right on, sir ! Thank You for the informative video. I once owned a 61 W-500 Dodge truck, had the same engine. 4x4, manual 5-speed. That engine was peppy, started at -20 F no problem. Said 202 Horsepower on one of the valve covers. I miss that truck 💝
A buddy of mine had a 318 poly in a 66 satellite. His only lament was performance parts for it were hard to come by in the late 70s. My brother built a t bucket in the early 80's with a marine 270 ci. Red ram hemi. Cool car.
I've been around so many different engines in my life I lost count... There is two chrysler engines in particular that stood out to me lol. I'll explain, I had a old dodge truck years ago with a 318, and 727 torque flight transmission. I beat the living shit out of this. I'm talking wide open throttle for 10 minutes straight over and over and over and over and over and over x 100. lol I used to jump it, race it, submerge it, rev it... back then I knew nothing about chrysler mound road engines (Light-A) engines. So I got to the point I couldn't believe this dam thing was still running, in my brain it was physically possible.. SO i started trying to break it, I'm talking sitting in neutral with the pedal to the floor (they had no rev limiter back in the old days, they'd just rev til the valves couldn't open and close fast enough) that engine never died.. never burned oil, never leaked water, never smoked... nothing.. lol It got to the point the truck was so rotted into the ground and completely destroyed it had to be dragged out by another truck because it couldn't steer anymore but i started it up just to prove to the guy who was taking it away it still ran, and it did... the stupid thing started right up as a rotted mangled pile of shit and ran better than a brand new car... Listen to new cars all you hear is the peices of shit having lifter nock and all kinds of slapping and tapping and banging noises.. the old 318, smooth humming sound.. Now on my current LA engine a 239 cui v6 (318 with two cylinders cut off) its at about 400,000 miles now never re-built and wont die... doesn't burn oil... doesn't smoke... doesn't use antifreeze. you can start it when its -20 F outside and it will start right up and sit there humming away til it runs out of gas if you wanted lol. Plus the dam thing averages 22mpg in the mountains. ( I tested this by filling it full then driving 100 miles and re-filling it full. I've done this several times btw its the same every time, it burns 4.5 gallons every 100 miles, in a hilly rural area.. on the highway its closer to 30mpg) That being said, I love the old chrysler LA engines now because they just do not make them like they used to. Quality has gone bye bye from chrysler.
Never heard of a 3.9 getting good mileage. You must have a super lean carb. on it or your odo is off.
@@lesliehorwinkle I drive a low mi 42K, beat up, old 94 Dakota, 3.9 V6 5 spd auto, at work, at never got over 11MPG, IN STOP AND GO/SHORT TRIP ONLY. Guess i could get 15 on a very long drive.
gittyupalice96 - Good except no 3.9V6 ever got good gas mileage - All test reports were way under 22 mpg on freeway! What's special about yours?🤔
My 94 low mi 3.9 Dakota only got 12 or 13 tops - usually 11mpg.
I had a 2000 dakota standard cab 3.9 5 speed manual that never got less than 20 mpg.
That's how my 99' dodge ram 1500 sport 4x4 is with my 318 they're just damn good engines you really can't even beat em off road either I've been through shit In mine that the Chevy guys were getting stuck in and saying "man can you pull me out with you dodge"
Been wondering when that next video was coming... Much love unc'
Another video loaded with lots of excellent information. I Really like your rapid /fast delivery of narration. A lot of folks making videos are to slow when speaking. Its not like explaining something when talking to someone, or in a lecture where your trying to scribble notes.
if I need to make a note of something important , just hit pause, or repeat. So a fast delivery is way more useful when looking for information in a video ! Thanks for sharing and keep the videos coming. My ‘72 Plymouth satellite with the 318 was a really excellent daily driver, I think cause the car was light, and with minor mods to the top were pretty snappy on acceleration. Those 318 were great in the darts, dusters etc.
Raced one in a 64 Plymouth stock car. 60 over 10.5 to one pistons, Crower cam, Holley four, and the crankshaft from a 57 truck. Custom pan, Milodon pump. Never had trouble with the engine. Limiter set at 7500!! Good memories!!
This was an interesting episode... I always wanted to see the interior of the 318 wide-block engines...
It is only wide across the valve covers. Headless, both versions of the 318 are the same size outwardly.
Ford had a 8.0 liter over head cam engine in the 40’s that was in a tank. So was even before this. And it has canted valves
You are the most real thing on youtube . Love those poly's, have one sitting in corner of garage with aluminum Wiend dual quad intake. Live for ever.
I had the joy of working on the machine work on two of these when i worked for an engine machine shop local to me. Of all the motors that came through the shop in the three yrs i was there, i literally only seen those two.
Those angle rockers remind me of the ones I used to work with on VW pancake engines.
The ohc 4.7 motor has a similar canted valve combustion chamber I agree the Poly would have been great for the big blocks. DeSoto is the only division that never got a poly v8. A poly based on the 331 hemi block was used in lower trim level Chryslers - they must have considered the Poly for the new big block. In '67 A bodies were made wide enough for a big block, if they'd reworked the Poly A motor in '64 and made the '64 A body engine compartment wider, a new thin wall block might have made it light enough for the Valiant and Dart. The trade journals were writing about how inexpensive Chevy's V8 was to produce, but then in '58 Chevy introduced a big block that's not a wedge. By then, Chrysler had also introduced its B wedge - which as you remarked, was replaced in '65 with something resembling Chrysler's Poly. Chrysler had a chance to bring back the Poly in '92 when it built the Magnum motors. It must come done to costs. But I believe a state of the art Poly V8 could have been competitive with the 5.7 Hemi. Even the Australian "hemi" six isn't as close to a '51 to '58 hemi as the Poly was.
Actually, they did exactly that with the engine block - but they gave it a smaller bore along with a different cylinder head, and made the 273
I remember reading a magazine article from 1964, where it describes how they retained the lifter bore angle, the distance from the crank to cam centerline's, the bore spacing, the head bolt pattern, and even used thick wrist pins so that the crank use the same balance.
That way, they could run the new engine down the same tooling line as the existent 318
@@billythebake Yeah, the "LA" 273 is a thin wall casting. Some call the Poly a "wide block", its the heads that are wider. The '62 Ford small block was probably the most compact in external dimensions - other than the Buick-Olds 215.
I have one in my 1966 Dodge A 100 pickup. Which I bought it that way. Formerly a slant six?
The rest of my A100s are the LA 318ci which came as stock options upgrades. I have 6 vans 2pickups.
My daily drivers and also use them as my daily work vehicles doing Construction and handyman jobs.
I love em!
Had a 318 poly in my 64 Belvedere. My first car I drove to high school daily. It was a great engine, very reliable and plenty of power to move around such a heavy vehicle. Only problem was performance parts are very hard to find for that engine
The 318 is my favorite engine. I'm currently working on rebuilding one out of a 69 Fury 3. Going to bore and stroke it out to 396 for a start
the 69 is a completely different engine than this 318.
richard cranium yes its an LA block but as Uncle Tony said all LA and Magnum 318s descend from the Poly 318 block. They are pretty much the same block but the Poly has more meat to it about 30 pounds more than the LA block.
richard cranium he syas it right here @2:04
@@izekealtopanga8513 He also says all "Magnum" engines descended from it. Malarkey.
@@richardcranium5839 I think most people would agree. The case can be made for either point of view, but most people would agree - I 'think'.