Thanks for the tips. Like you said a lot of guys don’t feel the need for 3 tie in points but if it helps anyone feel more secure then they will be more confident and safer. Me included!!!!!!!
If you were dead weight, as in a medical emergency, the eye to eye hitches would be locked in place against the log a rescuer would have to cut your ropes. Obviously your system is not meant to give you a ticket to the ground. Obviously a second rope is law to run a saw off the ground and I believe a one handed way to the ground is essential as well as a climbing line installed and useable. I came to these conclusions based on the only 2 injury accidents I have suffered in my almost 40 year career ( still climbing every day at 55). When I was 23 years old I suffered these two injury accidents. The first one I used my climbing rope to pull a top out. While bucking down the log, a conifer, I got cut requiring 180 stitches. About 70feet up with no rope. I should have bled to death before climbing down. Since that day I have never once climbed without an installed climbing rope. The second accident was on the same contract. Placerville California was cursed for me! I tied in to a black oak well below me because I was worried the spar would snap under me. High above my tie in without a secondary in front of me I dislocated my shoulder and was then stuck unable to get to the ground because I had no rope installed where I was to get down. Since that day I always install a rope so I can get down with one hand. Today I climb on two ropes any time I have to move away from my high line. Your system seems like it is out of fear. If you are worried about rotational stability use a long flipline and take a wrap around the tree. Then it's impossible to twist your body and if you gaff out you won't burn the tree. Man that's a lot of hardware and rope to deal with. I run a heavy climb crew for the orange guys these days. We are required to have a retrievable false crotch installed at all times when climbing pole spars. I don't agree with a lot of their climbing policies but I think this is a good rule. As a foot note. When I got cut it was because the beckett bend or 'cats paw' on my single flip line slipped and I grabbed for the tree out of reflex. The tip of the saw caught my hand and it walked all the way out of the slot to my elbow laying my entire arm open. I was a very qualified, young hotshot trained by my dad at a very young age and I will admit I got scared when my rope slipped. Today, any slip of my rope won't even get a flinch out of me and all because I am always on at least 2 ropes with one being a ticket to the ground.
What kind of harness do I get? I'm on a budget I'm looking at cheap ones. I can literally get the whole setup at Walmart for $115. It doesn't look like it has those second and third lines though
Climb safe. Take care to orient the gate of the carabiner so it is on the up side when canopy anchoring. Also a snap is not appropriate, take care when setting an example. Maybe link, your reference material ua-cam.com/users/LawrenceSchultz3000
I appreciate your honest opinion. Couple things. To be honest I might’ve just missed the gate thing as I wasn’t in a work situation, just a couple feet off the ground, and focused on filming. Although, in this position that I was in there didn’t appear to be any force applied to the gate that could risk any kind of failure from happening. I’m usually very in tune to that kind of thing but I’ll check out the link to the video you posted. Also in the case of 3 TIP for spar work, why wouldn’t you consider a snap to be appropriate especially as it isn’t acting as a primary source of life support but simply better work position? Just genuinely curious on your thoughts.
@@cgfitnessandarboriculture All good, good energy dude, want to keep each other safe. Awareness and Mitigating risk is the game. Practice what you work, work what you practice and all that. I hate being filmed... I get it.
@@cgfitnessandarboriculture I find that learning to plan around having one side pinned to cut is enough. Depending on shape of the tree, angles, cut side. Not so say having a 3rd system is bad practice at all. Just very cumbersome in a work scenario. Having too many thing going on and more effort can lead to distraction on a long hot day. Also mix and match upper and lower Ds for Lanyard can really change balance.
@@tomlynch9706 Yea I agree every situation is different, definitely not a one size fits all with your setup / methods etc. The lower D-rings have been a nice addition as I didn’t have them on my previous saddle. Have used them in different situations.
Here is the link to the video I made reference to by Lawrence Schultz: ua-cam.com/video/hsV-_t0SE2Y/v-deo.html
That is a good point, using two lines to secure your side positioning. GOOD!
Thanks! I think in certain situations it may have some benefit for improved work positioning.
Thanks for the tips. Like you said a lot of guys don’t feel the need for 3 tie in points but if it helps anyone feel more secure then they will be more confident and safer. Me included!!!!!!!
Good video
If you were dead weight, as in a medical emergency, the eye to eye hitches would be locked in place against the log a rescuer would have to cut your ropes. Obviously your system is not meant to give you a ticket to the ground. Obviously a second rope is law to run a saw off the ground and I believe a one handed way to the ground is essential as well as a climbing line installed and useable. I came to these conclusions based on the only 2 injury accidents I have suffered in my almost 40 year career ( still climbing every day at 55).
When I was 23 years old I suffered these two injury accidents. The first one I used my climbing rope to pull a top out. While bucking down the log, a conifer, I got cut requiring 180 stitches. About 70feet up with no rope. I should have bled to death before climbing down. Since that day I have never once climbed without an installed climbing rope.
The second accident was on the same contract. Placerville California was cursed for me!
I tied in to a black oak well below me because I was worried the spar would snap under me. High above my tie in without a secondary in front of me I dislocated my shoulder and was then stuck unable to get to the ground because I had no rope installed where I was to get down. Since that day I always install a rope so I can get down with one hand. Today I climb on two ropes any time I have to move away from my high line.
Your system seems like it is out of fear. If you are worried about rotational stability use a long flipline and take a wrap around the tree. Then it's impossible to twist your body and if you gaff out you won't burn the tree.
Man that's a lot of hardware and rope to deal with.
I run a heavy climb crew for the orange guys these days. We are required to have a retrievable false crotch installed at all times when climbing pole spars. I don't agree with a lot of their climbing policies but I think this is a good rule.
As a foot note. When I got cut it was because the beckett bend or 'cats paw' on my single flip line slipped and I grabbed for the tree out of reflex. The tip of the saw caught my hand and it walked all the way out of the slot to my elbow laying my entire arm open. I was a very qualified, young hotshot trained by my dad at a very young age and I will admit I got scared when my rope slipped. Today, any slip of my rope won't even get a flinch out of me and all because I am always on at least 2 ropes with one being a ticket to the ground.
Thank you for taking the time to write such an in-depth response and for sharing some of your experiences.
What kind of harness do I get? I'm on a budget I'm looking at cheap ones. I can literally get the whole setup at Walmart for $115. It doesn't look like it has those second and third lines though
I see one risk with that ... if you have to get out of the way fast .. Ex wind shear and the topp rotates ...
Definitely something to take into consideration. 👍
Climb safe. Take care to orient the gate of the carabiner so it is on the up side when canopy anchoring. Also a snap is not appropriate, take care when setting an example. Maybe link, your reference material ua-cam.com/users/LawrenceSchultz3000
A good example of what having poor Carabiner orientation may lead too.
ua-cam.com/video/tXKwULyqEys/v-deo.html
I appreciate your honest opinion. Couple things. To be honest I might’ve just missed the gate thing as I wasn’t in a work situation, just a couple feet off the ground, and focused on filming. Although, in this position that I was in there didn’t appear to be any force applied to the gate that could risk any kind of failure from happening. I’m usually very in tune to that kind of thing but I’ll check out the link to the video you posted. Also in the case of 3 TIP for spar work, why wouldn’t you consider a snap to be appropriate especially as it isn’t acting as a primary source of life support but simply better work position? Just genuinely curious on your thoughts.
@@cgfitnessandarboriculture All good, good energy dude, want to keep each other safe. Awareness and Mitigating risk is the game. Practice what you work, work what you practice and all that. I hate being filmed... I get it.
@@cgfitnessandarboriculture I find that learning to plan around having one side pinned to cut is enough. Depending on shape of the tree, angles, cut side. Not so say having a 3rd system is bad practice at all. Just very cumbersome in a work scenario. Having too many thing going on and more effort can lead to distraction on a long hot day. Also mix and match upper and lower Ds for Lanyard can really change balance.
@@tomlynch9706 Yea I agree every situation is different, definitely not a one size fits all with your setup / methods etc. The lower D-rings have been a nice addition as I didn’t have them on my previous saddle. Have used them in different situations.
👍safety first 👍
Absolutely!