Many thanks Roger, well appreciated. I am lucky to be French, my two colleagues read French. Norbert studied French as part of his music and opera formation. We all work quite a lot with 16th century French ciphers, and after a while, we start to get used to the awkward forms "cognossoit", "advis", "mectre", etc.. Merci !
@@glgl0342 I find this absolutely fascinating. I study French and Spanish at university, and we’ve been reading some texts in Middle French. I also happen to have a great interest in Tudor History! Incredible work.
Fascinating stuff, thanks to David for showing this, and congrats to George, Satoshi, and Norbert! I hope we'll get another video that shows some of the human side. Like who saw what, when. I'm wondering if it's like the Z340 solve, where the three men from three different continents bounced ideas off each other? Was anyone physically in the stacks looking for documents? Or was this all done online? I'd also like to see more of the physical documents. Not just, "Here's a hi-res scan", but a picture of the document in context... Was it in a box? In a leather binder? How does the French library store these? What is the response from the current biographers? There's a lot more to this story that I'm really looking forward to learning!
All online, actually. The BnF has digitized a lot of their material. But there is still some that are not, which leaves hope that maybe we can find more of those Mary Stuart ciphers in the offline BnF collections
I think the "k" of "Duke of Anjou" looks more like a big "F" and smaller "R". So it would make more sense that "FR" glyph would be a key for Francis, Duke of Anjou.
What's interesting is that the hill climbing algorithm is really similar to gradient descent, which basically does the learning part in machine learning. The key in decyphering is equivalent to the weights and biases of the neurons getting learned over time, training the neural network from generating random output at the start to learning how to transform the input of the network to the correct output
Wouldn't it be something if that was actually the Zodiac? Scorpio is one of the Zodiac signs. He did say that he did the enciphering fairly. Wonder what he meant by that?
Thank you for fascinating material. It is Remarkable that Mary, Queen of Scots knew about the secret marriage of the Earl of Leicester & Lettice Knollys, Countess of Essex. She may have heard of this from Bess of Hardwick, an inveterate and informed gossip.
Reminds me of the gossip that occurred in Ohio with all of those letters threatening to expose people. And there was a murder or two connected to them. Weird.
I think we should take some of Bess of Hardwick’s gossip with a grain of salt, if she was feeding Mary gossip that Leicester was part of a plot to abduct Elizabeth,
Hello David - at ( let’s crack the zodiac - part 1 ) I am struggling on the cipher challenge left at the end - is their anything that could help or tips so I know for next time ?
You make great content! I am no cryptographer, I had to do ciphers once in my discrete math class. However, I was lead down this rabbit hole because of a short about the Kryptos statue, and I found your amazing work on the Zodiac cipher. Have you ever considered making a video the 4th cipher of the statue? It seems like most people who cover it are way to deep into it to the point of obsession, so it would be cool to hear a rational take even if you are undirected. While that whole thing seems to be well known in the cryptography scene, it is not too known to outsiders, and a video on the statue in general would be a really cool watch. Thanks!!!
@@notyou6674 That is difficult. It's not hard to make something that looks like a real cipher but isn't. The only real way to know for sure is to come up with a definitive decipherment.
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This project is remarkably well explained. And decrypting to middle french, that is really something else. Chapeau!
Many thanks Roger, well appreciated. I am lucky to be French, my two colleagues read French. Norbert studied French as part of his music and opera formation. We all work quite a lot with 16th century French ciphers, and after a while, we start to get used to the awkward forms "cognossoit", "advis", "mectre", etc.. Merci !
@@glgl0342 I find this absolutely fascinating. I study French and Spanish at university, and we’ve been reading some texts in Middle French. I also happen to have a great interest in Tudor History! Incredible work.
@@Euph3mia Thank you, this is very kind of you!
Chapeau mate.
OMG! I can't believe that Mary Stuart was the Zodiac all along!
speak for yourself
It's Shakespearean in it's reach.
This is awesome hope there are many more videos in this series
Thanks a lot!
What an awesome discovery! Very exciting!
Riveting stuff! Thanks for sharing, David.
My pleasure! All the credit goes to George Lasry!
That's impressive! I wonder how many historical ciphers are still lost somewhere...
Probably a lot!
There are many known ones that are tracked here: cl.lingfil.uu.se/decode/
Many of those haven't even been decrypted yet.
@@doranchak Thanks, David!
I'm fond of this one ua-cam.com/video/E8UWbo8axsE/v-deo.html . Nomenclator. What a name. I don't know why, but I just like it.
OMG! This is wonderful news. I'll stick around, and explore your channel. Thanks.
Fascinating stuff, thanks to David for showing this, and congrats to George, Satoshi, and Norbert! I hope we'll get another video that shows some of the human side. Like who saw what, when. I'm wondering if it's like the Z340 solve, where the three men from three different continents bounced ideas off each other? Was anyone physically in the stacks looking for documents? Or was this all done online? I'd also like to see more of the physical documents. Not just, "Here's a hi-res scan", but a picture of the document in context... Was it in a box? In a leather binder? How does the French library store these? What is the response from the current biographers? There's a lot more to this story that I'm really looking forward to learning!
All online, actually. The BnF has digitized a lot of their material. But there is still some that are not, which leaves hope that maybe we can find more of those Mary Stuart ciphers in the offline BnF collections
Bravo Oncle!!
Excited for this series :)
I think the "k" of "Duke of Anjou" looks more like a big "F" and smaller "R". So it would make more sense that "FR" glyph would be a key for Francis, Duke of Anjou.
What's interesting is that the hill climbing algorithm is really similar to gradient descent, which basically does the learning part in machine learning. The key in decyphering is equivalent to the weights and biases of the neurons getting learned over time, training the neural network from generating random output at the start to learning how to transform the input of the network to the correct output
Interesting comparison!
I wonder when we will have something like ChatGPT but for decoding arbitrary ciphers. Seems almost inevitable at this point!
There is similarity, but no fancy neural network layers. Just a simple score formula (see paper - Appendix 1)
Huh? ChatGPT says what?
Thanks for the new content and keeping us entertained.
Thank you very much for watching!
David, have you ever considered taking on the Scorpion ciphers that are publicly available, that were sent to John Walsh some years ago?
I've looked at them before. They're very challenging because they use so many symbols, which greatly increases the search space for solutions.
Wouldn't it be something if that was actually the Zodiac? Scorpio is one of the Zodiac signs. He did say that he did the enciphering fairly. Wonder what he meant by that?
Thank you for fascinating material. It is Remarkable that Mary, Queen of Scots knew about the secret marriage of the Earl of Leicester & Lettice Knollys, Countess of Essex. She may have heard of this from Bess of Hardwick, an inveterate and informed gossip.
Reminds me of the gossip that occurred in Ohio with all of those letters threatening to expose people. And there was a murder or two connected to them. Weird.
I think we should take some of Bess of Hardwick’s gossip with a grain of salt, if she was feeding Mary gossip that Leicester was part of a plot to abduct Elizabeth,
What a treasure trove!
Isso é muito interessante! Quase inacreditável o como são brilhantes esses estudos e as mentes envolvidas !! Grato por compartilhar
Hello David - at ( let’s crack the zodiac - part 1 ) I am struggling on the cipher challenge left at the end - is their anything that could help or tips so I know for next time ?
It's a simple substitution cipher, so it should be vulnerable to frequency analysis. :)
History never sleeps.
May justice be done, though the heavens fall. Or, secretly pay me for lavish trips. Either will work ok.
Is there a source where we can read the decoded letters in full? Thanks.
I think Mary Queen of Scotts body should been sent back to Scott land
You make great content! I am no cryptographer, I had to do ciphers once in my discrete math class. However, I was lead down this rabbit hole because of a short about the Kryptos statue, and I found your amazing work on the Zodiac cipher. Have you ever considered making a video the 4th cipher of the statue? It seems like most people who cover it are way to deep into it to the point of obsession, so it would be cool to hear a rational take even if you are undirected. While that whole thing seems to be well known in the cryptography scene, it is not too known to outsiders, and a video on the statue in general would be a really cool watch.
Thanks!!!
Thanks for watching! I'd love to make a Kryptos video, if I can ever find the time to make one!
@@doranchak I’ll be looking forward to seeing one someday! I will enjoy the current treasure trove of content you have in the meantime.
Man. 1 unbreakable cipher at a time please.
@@EdEdwardsCiphers Well he did finish one already ;)
@@spearmintlatios9047 He's a ZodiacKiller Killer. Leave some ciphers for the rest of us. Sheesh.
The fact that we need computers to decode something that 1 person wrote hundreds of years ago with nothing but a pen and paper.... *mind blown*
😂 we have to thank people who put all old things in the computer centers cloud ☁️ 😅
a brilliant achievement guys I only hope I make a similer splash when I finally crack Z1- 13 which I might do soom
Good luck!
This would be amazeballs.
that's so cool! if you need french translations i'm down to do it!
so epic brah
Erin Go Brah!
have you heard of the case of ricky mcormick? will you attempt to solve them?
Yes, I have heard of it. I don't know if I'll try to solve it. Nobody knows if it is even a cipher or code!
@@doranchak do you think you would be able to tell if it was a real cipher or not quickly?
@@notyou6674 That is difficult. It's not hard to make something that looks like a real cipher but isn't. The only real way to know for sure is to come up with a definitive decipherment.
all downvotes are from Walsingham gang
"let's crack liber primus" when? 😁
When I win the lottery! 😂
I will destroy you Ricky Bobby.
Did you not know what i said that is my sons work copyrighted material and better give them back that's my greatest grandma and bill lord and Ringo Starr better stop stealinf and he's not a Stuart hate to tell him . Better stop they are Copyrighted with privacy policy for a fact. My sons and i will come forward against them.