Federico Faggin | Bernardo Kastrup: Quantum Physics, Spirituality & Consciousness
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- This was an excerpt from a 5-week discussion series with Bernardo Kastrup, Nov 2022, with guest Federico Faggin.
Federico Faggin is an Italian-American physicist, engineer, inventor and entrepreneur. He is best known for designing the first commercial microprocessor, the Intel 4004. In 2010, he received the 2009 National Medal of Technology and Innovation, the highest honor the United States confers for achievements related to technological progress.
In 2011, Faggin founded the Federico and Elvia Faggin Foundation to support the scientific study of consciousness at US universities and research institutes.
Bernardo considers him ‘probably the most well-rounded Idealist alive today.’
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We discussed:
Federico's journey to his model of reality
How science must completely change to incorporate consciousness
How quantum states make sense when viewed as descriptions of experience
How consciousness and life are nothing like computers
How meditation, spirituality and science relate
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Thank You, My Lord, that I lived so long to see how the stubborn and orthodox way of science starts changing.
if fraggin was smart he would have donated to the alan wallace's santa barbara institute of consciousness studies
Oh yeahhh. The 2nd Renaissance is coming. Science is always changing but there are certain troughs that are distinct. We are rapidly approaching one such point. Kids nowadays intuitively discard materialism (simply because we've near fully exploited everything there and yet nothing's changed)
Quantum Physics proved to me God was real. I always knew deep down in my heart but I had so many doubts.
It's incredible. Awakening type of knowledge is entering mainstream in our lifetime. Exciting times are very near.
It is heartening that Mr. Faggin had a true experience. It is native and second nature to us to know the nature of reality to be more than gross matter. Hopefully, it will happen to others who cannot seem to comprehend anything else, especially those who hold high positions in science.
In the higher ages those who could not comprehend anything other than matter were assigned to the lowest cast and confined to sweeping the streets. Today they hold high positions and unfortunately pass on their incomprehension to a younger generation.
Not sure I would call them “higher” ages if they relied on a cast system.
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A cast system is not a problem if it exists for a legitimate reason. For example if a higher cast had highly educated people or people of high spiritual caliber it was alright so long as it was not closed to people in lower casts rising to its ranks by merit. If a cast system is closed and there is not freedom of movement based on merit that is a problem and society becomes stratified.
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The cast system was based on merit and it was fluid not rigid. A person could advance.
Reminds me of Christs parables ..”he who has eyes to see and ears to hear”. Many, including myself most of the time, do not. Thankful that God is so very good.
Too bad it takes an experience to have the imagination to consider what may be possible. I am glad he had one. Everything is imagined first. Imagine which way will it work, then you figure out no so you imagine how it will work in a different way so you try that. Imagine that.
‘The non-understanding of quantum physics is not an intellectual problem, it’s a psychological problem’ ✨ thank you Federico Faggin for saying this out loud 👏🏻
Dude this is exactly what I was trying to explain to my dad yesterday. Thank you!!!
Yeah, but consciousness does not mean free will, free will has to die with religion.
and did you get it?
@@Jsonwon What about under the Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe by Langan?
Zero free will? thats just as dumb as religion
Both are brilliant! Real gems for western culture.Thanks for uploading!
thanks for the feedback!
Advaita vedanta and Upanishads outline the nature of reality and consciousness and date back to over 3000 years
@@Robertpupo That's very true . Bernardo Kastrup and Dr Donald Hoffman as well, mention it very often.Both they had very interesting discussions with Swami Sarvapriyananda of Vedanta society of NY.Easy to find on you tube.
This is the prophecy about the second coming of Jesus
Zechariah 13:7
“Awake, sword, against my shepherd, against the man who is close to me!” declares the LORD Almighty. “Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn my hand against the little ones.
The Shepherd here is Jesus.
John 10:11
“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
This is the fulfillment of the prophecy of Zachariah .
Matthew 26:31
Then Jesus told them, “This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: “’I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’
This happened near 30 to 33 AD.
Now coming to Hosea
Hosea 6:1-2
Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds.
After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.
He tore us to pieces which is the scattering mentioned in Zachariah and Mathew.
In prophecies 1day is equal to 1000 years. Which means after two thousand years Jesus will return again.
And on the third day which is the 3rd millennium, we will live in his sight. We all know we cannot see God's face and live on Earth. So it's the second coming of Jesus.
Luke 21:11 ►
There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.
Matthew 24:6
You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
We are the witnesses of all these things. From the death of Jesus to 2030 - 2033 there are 2000 years. There was an eclipse in 33 Ad. So it's best to believe that Jesus died in 33AD. Jesus is coming soon. Let's all repent and turn from our old ways and turn to the Lord.
Praise the Lord.
Peace and Love to you all
A verse to show about the Holy Trinity
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Everlasting Father?. There's your answer
The whole world will turn against Israel and not just Palestine. Then know the end is near. This is a major sign to look for in the end times.
And do not take the Lord's name in vain. Even Satan trembles at his name. We should not use such a name as an expression.
God bless you all
Please spread this message to the ends of the world.
So Federo sees reality as composed of interconnected conscious entities or "monads" that communicate through quantum information, which has the same characteristics as subjective experience. The evolution of the universe is driven by these conscious entities deepening their self-knowledge and meaning, not just by chance or deterministic physical laws. Laws of physics are more like syntactical rules of language.
Thanks for summing it up. That's all there is just thought. That's hard to wrap your head around I keep thinking but where does this happen at? and that answer is both everywhere and nowhere. I cannot picture it. lol
We will become the universe. Wonder about something and have answers.
This summary helps tremnedously
Such rich and interesting conversation, indeed bringing two points of view together. And what a timely moment of publication, with the news of the last few days of the Z80 retiring from production. I did not know about Mr. Faggin until last year or so, but for me the Z80 was the heart of my MSX home computer back in the 80s on which I learned to program, also in assembler, and it is still my first love. Then to learn that both of my main interests in life, computing and spirituality, are coming together in this one person, is really beautiful.
‘I just love listening to Frederico…so I’m just happy to be here.’ Bernardo Kastrup. Totally agree.
Time and space are constructs of conciousness and Consciousness being eternal ... All time is now. What is always has been and always will be.
Time and space are categories a priori of the perception not mind.
I. Kant
A person is "congruent" when their outside actions match what they feel on the inside!
A sense of harmony and agreement between self-image and ideal self
When people's behaviors match how they feel and think about a situation, in other words
Copied the definition here..
NOT my own words for this definition..cannot send photo of definitions here
Thank You SOOO MUCH!
FABULOUS PODCAST! 🎉❤
He has arrived to a very similar conclusion as another great physicist, Tom Campbell and his book My Big Theory of Everything (TOE)
I can talk with this gentleman for day with the kind of experience within me I think this is a gentleman I know may help me understand why I am having the kind of experience
The miracle is the uncreated energy of God the Father,
Son, and Holy Spirit from whom everything exists. The meaning is LOVE!
I guess this kind of thing is too hard for you
lol this is the furthest things from your silly fairytale
Superb dialogues! I immensely respect Federico and Bernardo! Thank you to both! If I may humbly make the following remark: "Survival of the fittest" does not mean "Survival of the strongest". It means "Survival of the most adaptive" (to be fit = to be in an optimum state of being). In other words, an organism that most easily adapts to its environment has increased chances of survival.
@@demetrioskasabalis5536 You mean I have to get used to the rapid change of technology and Cripto and survalance etc? 😱😱😱
True science requires to process the inputs/info through both the left and right brain hemispheres, as well as the neuro circuits of the heart. Otherwise it is just boxed scientificism, another 'ism' that pretends to be the BIG and only truth.
SO MUCH appreciate these discussions among expanded scientific full brains, minds and hearts. Thank you! You guys are so very generous 🙏🏻❤️
Beautiful discussion many thanks for sharing this. If people look closely at their direct experience of this thing we call my life… it’s simply the knowing of experience. Thoughts, sights, sounds,smells, textures, tastes, emotions and sensations. When the compulsive and habitual labeling of experience drops, one sees directly that all that exists is awareness or knowing. Everything expands into an infinite uniformity of knowing and you realize there is no subject object relationship… the act of perception, the knowing of perception and the perception itself… is ☝️ thing. We are the whole works. Consciousness is the only thing that is ultimately real. The ground of reality is what we are in our essence. Then … you laugh and laugh… realizing that the you, YOU think you are was never there.
Federico Faggin 🙏
Bernardo Kastrup 🙏
Thank you very much 🙏 to share and listen to your great discussion.
In the perspective of (One's) True Nature there is no past, present or future. Even the notion of the ever-present 'Now' is a metaphor.
One's True Nature is just a part-whole of the entire whole Universal Nature which is boundless & timeless, and it pervades the entire Universe or Dharmadhatu.
The boundless, infinite & timeless Universal Nature is in an eternal 'quantum state' (or 'divine' state) which is of ad-infinitum possibilities or manifestations.
No humans can know, predict or forsee what will happen and to happen at any arising moment as they are all living or existing by the limits of time & space.
Because the human conscious mind is limitation mental program that runs on or based on thoughts or thinking.
Hence it is impossible for the human mind to know or understand the eternal & pervading Universal 'quantum' state & its infinite information.
It can only be directly experienced (or realized) by momentous sudden & instantaneous glimpse of its True Reality!
😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
Wow, these types of conversations are exactly what I've been looking for. Science and physics mixed with philosophy.
This is the exact narration and ethos of Advaita Vedanta - written 3000 years back
I don't thik that( 3000years)make that shit credible but contrary
@@bornatona3954 then you need to get educated about samadhi and its scientific verification by precisely locating and monitoring the neural correlates for attention and concentration.
it will be the strong counterforce to the ai psychosis that will soon sweep through.
It is ageless.
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And materialist horseshit should exists..delusions of a moron that's what materialism should be defined ad
Bernardo even did a podcast with vedantic monk.
Thanks a lot for bringing up such beautifull minds together🙏🙏🙏
Our pleasure! Thanks for your support 🙏
I love these guys. I've read three of bernardo's books and I'm finishing irreducible by Federico. Excellent! 👍
I am a physicist and I will explain why our scientific knowledge refutes the idea that consciousness is generated by the brain and that the origin of our mental experiences is physical/biological .
My argument proves that the fragmentary structure of brain processes implies that brain processes are not a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness, which existence implies the existence in us of an indivisible unphysical element, which is usually called soul or spirit (in my youtube channel you can find a video with more detailed explanations). I also argue that all emergent properties are subjective cognitive contructs used to approximately describe underlying physical processes, and that these descriptions refer only to mind-dependent entities. Consciousness, being implied by these cognitive contructs, cannot itself be an emergent property.
Preliminary considerations: the concept of set refers to something that has an intrinsically conceptual and subjective nature and implies the arbitrary choice of determining which elements are to be included in the set; what exists objectively are only the single elements. In fact, when we define a set, it is like drawing an imaginary line that separates some elements from all the other elements; obviously this imaginary line does not exist physically, independently of our mind, and therefore any set is just an abstract idea, a cognitive construct and not a physical entity and so are all its properties. Similar considerations can be made for a sequence of elementary processes; sequence is a subjective and abstract concept.
Mental experience is a precondition for the existence of subjectivity/arbitrariness and cognitive constructs, therefore mental experience cannot itself be a cognitive construct; obviously we can conceive the concept of consciousness, but the concept of consciousness is not actual consciousness.
(With the word consciousness I do not refer to self-awareness, but to the property of being conscious= having a mental experiences such as sensations, emotions, thoughts, memories and even dreams).
From the above considerations it follows that only indivisible elements may exist objectively and independently of consciousness, and consequently the only logically coherent and significant statement is that consciousness exists as a property of an indivisible element. Furthermore, this indivisible entity must interact globally with brain processes because we know that there is a correlation between brain processes and consciousness. This indivisible entity is not physical, since according to the laws of physics, there is no physical entity with such properties; therefore this indivisible entity can be identified with what is traditionally called soul or spirit. The soul is the missing element that interprets globally the distinct elementary physical processes occurring at separate points in the brain as a unified mental experience.
Some clarifications.
The brain doesn't objectively and physically exist as a mind-independent entity since we create the concept of the brain by separating an arbitrarily chosen group of quantum particles from everything else. This separation is not done on the basis of the laws of physics, but using addictional subjective criteria, independent of the laws of physics; actually there is a continuous exchange of molecules with the blood and when and how such molecules start and stop being part of the brain is decided arbitrarily. Brain processes consist of many parallel sequences of ordinary elementary physical processes occurring at separate points. There is no direct connection between the separate points in the brain and such connections are just a subjective abstractions used to approximately describe sequences of many distinct physical processes. Indeed, considering consciousness as a property of an entire sequence of elementary processes implies the arbitrary definition of the entire sequence; the entire sequence as a whole (and therefore every function/property/capacity attributed to the brain) is a subjective abstraction that does not refer to any mind-independendent reality.
Physicalism/naturalism is based on the belief that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. However, an emergent property is defined as a property that is possessed by a set of elements that its individual components do not possess; my arguments prove that this definition implies that emergent properties are only subjective cognitive constructs and therefore, consciousness cannot be an emergent property.
Actually, all the alleged emergent properties are just simplified and approximate descriptions or subjective/arbitrary classifications of underlying physical processes or properties, which are described directly by the fundamental laws of physics alone, without involving any emergent properties (arbitrariness/subjectivity is involved when more than one option is possible; in this case, more than one possible description). An approximate description is only an abstract idea, and no actual entity exists per se corresponding to that approximate description, simply because an actual entity is exactly what it is and not an approximation of itself. What physically exists are the underlying physical processes. Emergence is nothing more than a cognitive construct that is applied to physical phenomena, and cognition itself can only come from a mind; thus emergence can never explain mental experience as, by itself, it implies mental experience.
My approach is scientific and is based on our scientific knowledge of the physical processes that occur in the brain; my arguments prove that such scientific knowledge excludes the possibility that the physical processes that occur in the brain could be a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness.
Marco Biagini
I don't think so much words explain anything
Because you can't solve "problem" which doesn't exist
"My approach is scientific."
Glad you explained that. I couldn't tell.
Great hypothesis. Now comes the requirement for experimental or empirical evidence to prove it to the satisfaction of peer reviewers, publication in a widely respected journal, and independent replication.
@@Reach41 I have not made an hypothesis but I have provided rational arguments that prove that according to our scientific knowledge brain processes are not a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness. No empirical evidence is required.
Thanks, you guys, the best thing that comes out of these shows is the audience accessibility to come out of the box and see reality from a different perspective. 😊
This relative to that! And all comes around!
FULL CIRCLE!
Thank you everyone for sharing your time and work, very nice, peace
He basically explain in quantum terms what is a mystical experience. I have experienced OBE first time I meditated with Vipassana, how he describes the existential sensations/emotions and feelings he experiences are very similar in all the religious or spiritual tradition of humanity. My journey of expanding my knowledge brought me to recognize that this could be an unconditional love-based reality. Everything is exchanging information (basically sacrificing itself) freely for the benefit of the wholeness, without giving less importance to the singular. Probably more advanced the consciousness is and recognize that, the more the sense of belonging to existence leads us to giving the right honor and respect in every aspect of ones reality.
Precicely. It is very exciting
Having dipped into plant medicines, my world has flipped a couple times to ultimately arrive at what these 2 men are saying. Materialism is literally dead. The perennial wisdom is oriented towards the truth which is life. It's the answer of answers. I hope to be as articulate and knowledgeable as these brilliant minds.
Time is not experienced from a first person perspective, there is only now. Time is only a concept for tracking changing events. This is the reason why they have difficulty explaining time. It’s like looking for a model to explain a model. Memory is just a set of thoughts experienced in the present, and the same goes for the future.
exactly my thoughts. The past or the future is not somewhere 'out there'; It only exists right here and now.
Well, I hat we call time can be subjectively experienced and fast or slow based subjective reactions to events’ fluctuations- but the is not objective Time but the subjective experience of Now, through the prism of the “time model” as we try to (retro) fit our reactions and memories onto that model. In fact, Consciousness (C) knows not of Time, but of Now only, because of its Eternality. C can be tortured to accept the notion/concept of Time, it can try and always fail- Mr. Faggin here was correct again in his experience, while in his honesty, intellectually trying to accommodate that Eternal experience, with a vestige of the old model: try fitting an Ocean within a cup!! Of course he could not. I think the next Big Task (if not biggest) and Understanding we need is on the Nature of the Self-Arising quantum system along with the localization of C (anchoring of C) within a q. system/body/energetic system.
We are all looking for who we are, for harmony, for being one, for the ulimate solution of our problems. That must be somewhere of course. We have conciousness and we are being observed by our conciousness. So who are we? The observer or the one being observerd? Our conciousness must be empty otherwise it connot observe well. We are not empty.. So we are the one being observed and not our conciousness. So what we are looking for must be in our conciousness. How can that be while our conciousness is empty? That can be because conciousness is nondual, is oneness, is harmony. So when we are one with our conciousness we are who we essentially are and experience ourselves what we deeply want. Development of conciousness is the development of being one with our conciousness. Hoe do we realize that? By stopping the suppression of our experiences of duality being our feelings, our pain. So simple is the realisation of our deepest ideal, our to Be.
I wonder what Federico thinks of Chris Langans CTMU?
Time does not exist wihtout us, it is as simple as that Time requires someone or somthing to acknoledge it by measuring its existience. time is a property of matter as it creates two points of reference which can be measured. this measurement between the two points is time. Time is a construct of human intellect in order that we may be able to describe the dimentionality of the reality we experience.
@@williamreed862 time is the measurement of distance in time between 2 events. Things happen whether we are there to observe them or not. That space between said events doesn’t cease to exist if we aren’t there, there is just no one to observe that time. So it is still very real and very there, there would just be no conscious observer to experience the time.
The very fact that quantum experiments proves that the observers are having different results.. proves what Mr Faggin , and Mr K. are saying for a while.
Our searches for The ONE are personal .. interna-external !
Great minds🙏(both!)
But those who individually found the one will have always the same results, because it's the one
I love the end. When Federico says about people being able to understand reality thru their different points of view. That is why I an watching these two and others, and books. I combine their knowledge and it gives me a lot of insights. Sometimes I even thing if Bernardo is able to do that or he is very into his own staff only.
I can't get enough of your channel, super happy to have found it.
So great to hear, thank you! 🙏🙏🙏
Nice one gents 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 and Amir you’ve done a cracking job facilitating this discussion!!!
Thnx. I think that Faggin, the king of technology, is creating a new way of conceiving reality, based on facts that could be verified. A real genius.
Please arrange a meeting with Bernardo and Dan Winter (electrical engineer/physicist) and his Consciousness/metabolism/negentropy hypothesis of 'Non-destructive implosive charge-compression' - its awesome, and totally unique, trust me!.. x thanks
Super interesting discussion by two brilliant minds💯👌
The most enriching podcast I have ever seen on youtube!
Thanks so much! Really encouraging to hear 🙏🙏🙏
The work of Nobel Prize winning novelist and playwright Jon Fosse, fits quite nicely inside this conversation.
Thank you gentlemen!!!
To the girl who asked about time you should really look into thomas campbell he has had a conversation with Bernardo but his book "my big toe" theory of everything, he goes over this exact question, Federico is right that in order to have time you need to have before a state and after a state so there for you experience time. In toms theory he says that there is our relative time while we are in this segment of reality we call space time and then there is an outer time loop beyond this space time framework on which the time there is alot alot faster (I believe ) then the time here so a millenia can go by here on this plain of reality and only a few moments pass at the outer time loop so it is relative to the reality that you find your self in. This makes sense with what Federico is saying about how in his experiences it felt like there was no time but yet he had the experience and remembers it, he i.m.o. was in one of these outer time loops. So it's not that there was no time it was just that the time in the outer loop was much different then the time here. Similar to how in grand theft auto one day is 20 of our minutes or something like that. If the gta character was to pop into our reality somehow it would have the feeling that there was no time because it was not the time that the character was used to I'm any way. Thomas campbell entire theory agrees with Federico theory in points about probability and how quantum mechanics can be derived . Read or listen to toms book, or UA-cam lectures. He does do one about his time loops. Hope this helps
WOW... Only 40 minutes in and I want to find out how to talk with these guys, and share the experiences I have had since I was an 8 year old child; I am in my 64th year now, and feel I finally understand. It took more than 1/2 century of life and contemplation/meditation..... These guys are talking with language that agrees with my own discoveries..... I had no idea that I would use fundamental quantum physics to graphically illustrate my own experience. Yes, quantum physics is a descriptor of the "inner world".
Great to hear! Perhaps we'll get Federico back and you can join the conversation
Thank you for this podcast.
Thanks for listening and your encouraging words
Through materialism, understanding self and the world…. Quite extraordinary indeed! If he is up to deep Dhamma and teaching of consciousness inner and outer world and in relationships, then he could have reached enlightenment.
Are Fredrick’s book translated into English ?
Brilliant conversation . Thank you so much
Yes they are! Link in description
Really a very elaborate explanation of Consciousness 🙏❤️
Thank you ❤🌹🙏
The chocolate example it's a simple way to explain it. Grazie prof. Faggin
...once I could experience that I am not just a body, not just the energy to what we called soul, which I could see clearly as the drastically moving, turbulent sound producing fire-circles, lwatched my own body and soul-energy at a time being out of both!... and then I realised, I have yet to know more about my Self-my Consciousness, by escaping out of my narrow identity-selves as me as a person, body, soul, emotional or mental being!!..I am knowing through my each realisations by filling up my darker, unknown void, by expanding and acknowleging to my potential knowing😊❤
In speaking about time and memories in relation to different points in time, it would have been interesting to hear the participants’ views on the Mandela Effect.
How can there be free will when everything is interconnected/entangled?
We have a higher self pulling all the strings. In Jeremiah, God told Jeremiah he knew Jeremiah (consciousness) before he was in his mother's belly (body). God said "Before I formed you in the womb I set you apart." (set apart from the whole) and God said, "You must go to everyone I send you to, and you will speak whatever I command you." God is telling Jeremiah that Jeremiah (consciousness) will go to whom he is sent to (body) and he will speak the words God commands him to speak (shared consciousness). God told Jeremiah that the words that come from Jeremiah's mouth belong to God. Jeremiah said, "And the LORD said to me, “Behold, I have put my words in your mouth." and the Lord then said, "Do not be afraid of the looks on their faces for I am with you beside you." Sounds to me like we share the ride.
Ffs how can you listen to this and then talk about gods. Religion has no place in science or the discussion of the origin of consciousness or reality. Provide evidence for your fairytale like these guys provide scientific evidence for the topics they speak on, and allllllll the atheists will come flooding to believe you
Great conversation.
I have the same question as the first question asker about ‘the one’’, whether the one is not all knowing and only evolves with experience- that wasn’t answered.
"Darkness (or Void) can potentially be everything" is one of the best quotes that I bring out from this beautiful conversation.
Yes, a statement like this that inherently contradicts itself, makes a catchy sound bite, if you ignore the fact that if you parse the semantics of that statement it is entirely nonsensical. How can a void, which is by definition nothing, potentially be everything?
Knowing ones self is actually very simple. Space is the most consequent thing in the universe and everything we do or think is because of space. We are stuck on the physical when our hole being screams of being part of space. Our thinking is all spacial, show me what part of thinking is not spacial. All action, movement deals with space.
Tremendous discourse, thank you! Mainstream science is on the verge of revolution, things are about to get really spicy.
Exciting times indeed! ♥️
The key to man's success in all things is symbiosis, competition is good in sports not in running a society, it leads to waste of resources.
really this is much like the concepts in the book -the science of getting rich
Marvellous indeed! What concepts 😊
Uncertainty ***congruent to***
ALL THINGS are possible!
Fantastic
FABULOUS OPENING!🎉😊
Thank you!
Hallo all together, humorous company 🤗💞, greatfull companions 💞🤗
Thank you very much for wonderful TALK,.
Love ❤ IT
Especially Federico VIEWS and naturally Bernardo koments and other companions specifically questions.
Thank you 🎉
Thanks so much 🙏
Wow!...you gave words to my entropic state of knowing Sir😊...this is how knowledge takes place)... material reality needs light to fall on it for it's manifestation... whereas, consciousness's light is knowing within ❤...in that way, your inner or interior potential knowing (, considering that inexplicable as well which you never spoke through words but I could get connected with that too with the help of my inner knowing!,..again which is the part of Supra- Consciousness as Sri Aurobindo puts it as) connected with my whatever realised knowing through your linguistic, verbal, gestural communication,...which is again filling up my dark void with the light of your, mine connected knowledge 😊...again that void in not empty, it's self known of it's Self, we are just knowing it bit by bit through our act of communication, expressions, experiences of interaction ❤...wow...I am feeling great 😃...thank you Sir🙏❤...love is the ultimate discipline/level of consciousness, that works as a constructing, bonding force among all fragmented pieces of knowledge , material or conscious!...Like music is the food of Love, Love is the food of Consciousness -Omnipotent Knowing😊❤
Brilliant conversations! Thank you!
On similar, yet another note: anybody has any ideas on how C interacts with the local body? Let’s just dive in the pool and develop productive brainstorm: What’s the Nexus between C and the
Q. System?
Let’s be practical: if we find this interaction we have both solved the problem of Interaction (intersection) between the Fundamental Subjective Reality and the Emanating Objective Reality. Not to mention that all physicalists will fade and fall like “old autumn leaves” automatically …
Here is where my thoughts shop and chop:
0. The first and only basic premise is: C is Elemental, basic and is Everywhere. Space or Emptiness is its physically emanated outside corollary. When C looks outside itself, it sees (again) itself (but as Space) and from different external POV. C being fundamental and omnipresent is impenetrably simple thus impossible to detect as such. In such omnipresent mode, C is like inactive Space, sleeping, just like in dreamless sleep. But when C or Space gets localized by entering into temporary entanglement with an energetic system or body it activates (wakes up locally) and has local experience. Actually what we call experience is simply the Reflections of the local Undulations on the “surface” of C, or projected light onto the localized C. Being indivisible One, yet limited to a localization, it forgets it’s “indivisibility” and starts “dreaming” (projecting, absorbing) local vistas and energy fluctuations- eventually accumulating experience and developing various modes of expression, experience and MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR US, Develops Various NEXUSES, (interfaces or connections) with its local bodies). Actually, even though, looks complex, the 0th premise is just fundamentally too simple: once we accept it, all within simply follows logically.
Now onto the most important questions:
The Nexus?
1. there should be some greater localization of C within brain tissues and/or spine fluid then vs the rest of the body tissues/organs.
2. The spine fluid at night, while unconscious, does flood the brain, few times, on and off, cleaning and repairing brain tissues through glial cells-neurons interactions. Why this procedure shuts temporarily our C (as we sleep)?
3. We may dream (with-in) C while doing nocturnal janitorial business- usually about suppressed energetic things, ideas, desires, wishes, fears- anything that may require more additional cleaning/balancing, as if there is a C leaking within the night System, or C picking unintended remnants of (harder to deal with) work . What does that mean?
4. The actual Nexus of our body and C must be different with higher animals vs worms, vs bacteria vs trees and plants, fungi and cells, atoms and particles etc. so there is a evolution of the Nexus of the C interacting with its localized systems. What is it?
5. C or it’s Nexus with the body rather, should be looked for within central, internal regions, perhaps more then in peripheral regions/simply because the Center remains as the simplest most natural way for spontaneous accumulation while development. I would defer with the frontal context as a seat of C, simply because it points to being a possible seat of Self-C, not C itself. Probably we should look for the internals like: Medula oblongata, Hypothalamus, Pineal Gland, Spine fluid.
But there should be an actual physical Gate, acting as a localizer of C.
6. Noble gasses (somehow) alter C, locally and if stronger, sever the link (temporarily or permanently in older weaker people) of C with the body. Why and how?
7. Can we make experiments with noble gasses and quantum collapse? Can we “noble gas” or temporarily anesthetize a quantum system, or the equivalent of it? Is such thing possible?
8. Can we try to look through Evolution ‘s Crescendo and decipher all
Main stages of
Body-Nexus-C development? We may find a lot, through systemic translations/modulations of the parameters.
Anybody any ideas along these lines?
These are all discussions of "Measurements" and theoretical calculations of Perceived concepts for Quantum Consciousness...We are no closer than we were 50 years ago.
Carl Wynn Miller
Speaks on quantum grammar,syntax and the hidden power of "spelling"
Hello Sir Federico Faggin, can we say reality felt via Qualia is felt more or gives more satisfaction as we gain more truth about reality since the calculation were done by quantum mechanics which is way faster than our physical senses which is why outside reality gives satisfaction (as that is also exchange of truth about reality) but not as much as what we get from experiencing reality via our own Qualias.
Thank you (I didn't even start)
This is the fundamental understanding that has been missing especially in Western school of thought ehich has been limited by materialism.
Frederico has so well explained and confirmed a comprehensive model of reality with respect to human beings in which consciousness is shown to be fundamental as a universal quantum field that individualizes itself into individual quantum fields at the point of creation of a human being, each complete with a quantum seity that is the authentic self-identity reality base upon which an individual human being's living in the physical world stands and depends on emotional support feelings and motivation to actions as a self -identity that is independent of the experiences in the prevailing physical world. Independent of the experiences of the classics world.
The purpose of the above structure is for the quantum seity that is directly connected to meaning to undergo unfoldment growth to completion of its innately defined blossom and fruition potentiality in the individual quantum field that is lined to one's heart.
For me this model was an epiphany that I got about three years ago and I have been testing it and it answers almost everything about people's life, living in the physical world as a body, universally underlying universe of quantum reality that one may assign whatever name they prefer, love, hatred and death.
Thanks for this comment! great to read 🙏
I am no thing and everything nowhere and everywhere I/We are one with all!
Federico's metaphysics strikes similarities to Schopenhauer's. You can hear him utter words like "free will" and "representation." It's so fascinating that these ideas pop up time and time again throughout human history independently of one another.
“TIME”
Electromagnetism
Superconductor is when magnetism lay dormant then flips and electrons lay dormant.
Very interesting discussion. the concepts of oneness of being / wahdah al wujud, eternal recreation / Khalq Jadid, eternal now, dimension of time, universe as the appearance of absolute oneness in plurality, etc.. have actually been widely discussed in Mohammed Haj Yousef's books , which has attempted to explain the Metaphysics of Muhyiddin Ibn 'Arabi from the perspective of modern physics.
Knowing and existance brings into existence our reality ..How to achieve that ..??
Quantum entanglement ❤❤❤
The answers you seek 1:01:39 are in child’s play
The simplicity is right in front of you all I have faith you will all fail with in your success
I would love to hear Frederico and Jacque Valleé speak. Nobody would know what is being discussed except them. 😂 They are pointing to something for sure.
Reinventing the wheel ( advait Vedant)👍
so my understanding is that the universe is a physical body emerging out of the quantum field and we are all one with each other and the physical universe - the same as all cells of our bodies are one with us - and there easily could be 8 billion universes outside of our universe that we are not likely ever to know until we grasp what we really are..
We all exist in our own internal universe the new bring through the external universe of sacred geometry, platonic shapes and frequency
As a “particles” of.. we need “Time” to find The ONE. 👏
I love them both ❤️
My experience in 1976 I experienced Non-Human biologicals
..the great sages of the past, are also trying to comunicate the same message .. using “religious-terminologies”since ancient times …Science and Spirituality need to become ..ONE !
agree!
great!
1:12:28 very well said doc
Pensychisem is just a explanation of units between here and there 1:15:52
Brilliant
Postulate meaning our postulated intuitions
Why TV don't talk about?
My song Fringes addresses this indirectly and directly, On Spotify ,Apple and Reverbnation. from my passion for Quantum Physics, Spirituality, and Consciousness , Tony Costa Fringes
Great
What did you do to experience this information?? B
Está teoria existe desde 2001 , a qual eu chamei de PADRÃO FUNDAMENTAL DA PSIQUE INTELIGENTE . A experiência transcendente só existe para aqueles que a experimenta. Portanto o único local que Einstein não considerou para estudo foi sua própria esfera psíquica!
Todos os direitos reservados!
O sentido do Universo é eternizar a vida na terra , o planeta , o UNIVERSO .
Todos estão a reboque do que eu primeiro publiquei em 2001
I don't know if I agree with the idea that AI can't be conscious though. Or I'm just not understanding what he's saying. If consciousness is fundamental and exists on the quantum level, then why wouldn't also this apply to inanimate objects, such as the parts of a computer? If everything in the universe is part of the same whole, then what causes this separation between living/conscious and dead/unconscious? Wouldn't everything be part of consciousness or have this potential?
If I've understood Bernardo, its because he doesn't think a computer is a thing.
This video goes more into it: ua-cam.com/video/7woSXXu10nA/v-deo.html&lc=Ugx0B3-HrLhLQ7oFRmR4AaABAg
@@adventuresinawareness Thanks! I'll check it out
Time is the black board void where we write our tic tacs : stories - music- theories - numbers - experience of off spring takes us from past to present to future !
Even in computer Imaging creations...or quantum computing
It is said..fructal geometry best simulates reality!
Can we have a shared concept of time that is not abstracted? Not "objective"? Maybe the point there is to revalue the subjective point of view and resacralize individuals as essential parts of a unified whole that we cannot do without. My conscious memory of time and my unconscious LACK of memory of time are BOTH facts, after all, imho. Does it invalidate science to posit that there are some things science cannot elucidate?
TIMES IS UP YALL!!!
Brilliant ❤
A good one!
Consciousness might exist as a fundamental iirreducible entity and yet be governed by deterministic causality; physical causality need not be the sole possible type of causality.
Cosmic/universal consciousness is not a subject of anything specially so called limited individual conscious beings.. All temporary conscious beings are a subject of cosmic consciousness.. Cosmic consciousness lends consciousness to limited conscious beings.. So if cosmic consciousness can't be manipulated by conscious beings what shall be Said by inanimate non sentient material things