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HEAT GUN VS HOLE SAW - Removing Glued PVC/ABS Pipe Fittings
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2021
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Wagner Furno 300heat gun
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4-1/2" Bosch hole saw
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Bosch hole saw mandrel
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Heat gun (this isn't the one we used but it looks identical)
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Needle nose pliers
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Reed 4" Clean Ream
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Fellas, from a time and production standpoint, this was no doubt, a time consuming and pricey experiment. From a payoff standpoint, this may be one of your best videos yet. Y'all went full on BILL NYE on us! This was such an important video in your guys' lineup...I think it'll be a milestone video in your arsenal. Great job at isolating all the variables and trying each solution. I friggin love the work you guys do!
Thank you.
Great Video
Not bill nye... They went Project Farm on it!!! :)
I am a DIY homeowner who had this problem on 2 inch ABS and I thank you for this invaluable video. If your Reed reaming cutter would have shown up on time, I am confident it would have been the winner on your 4 inch competition. I ended up buying the Reed Clean Ream Extreme Plastic Pipe Fitting Reamer for my 2 inch ABS problem. This tool cut 2 inch like butter, leaving a perfectly smooth and tight fit on the existing flange. On 2 inch ABS I could use my 18v drill one-handed with the Reed Clean Ream Extreme.
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I should mention that using the cement and fire method took me three times to get the pipe out but it came out and left the surface very smooth. I did also get the benefit of almost setting my son's beard on fire since he was holding the fitting while I set it on fire the FIRST time. He would not hold it for the last two tries out of fear. My wife thought we were both nuts but it worked. I now have a heat gun and a torch. Great video guys.
One thing to consider on the flame methods. Pvc gives of some pretty poisonous fumes when lit on fire so use caution. I've used both the heat gun and flame. I like the heat gun alot better.
Agreed !! Those fumes are toxic, besides the freak out factor of fire in a customers house
Came down to say the same thing... Indoors would be a bad idea.
Heat-gun all the way, hands down!
PVC stands for poly-vinyl chloride. Vinyl chloride is super carcinogenic. Definitely don't set PVC on fire and sit there watching it.
Even just heating PVC/CPVC can release hydrogen chloride gas. Don't heat or burn!
This channel is so wholesome. Just 2 guys, getting the job DONE. I love it!
“Let’s find out”. Project Farm flashback. “Our viewers say we should use flame. We’re gonna test that!”
I love it.
Shoutout to @ProjectFarm !! A Consumers Best Resource 💪🏼
Why did I just read this comment in that guys voice? Including his chuckle when he says "were gonna test that."
Me too... Project Farm was the one that came to mind when I saw the premise :D The unlikely scientist(s).
I did the heat gun and a slice with oscillating saw both after cutting the fitting off at the edge of the bell. It worked awesome. From now on I will leave some distance in between my fittings so I don’t have to do all that work to save one and a half inches. But with the heat gun in the chisel tapping on it, it came unglued. It literally saved me over $100 because I was going to have to cut out a bunch of stuff if that didn’t work. Thank you.
Stud Pack. This is why you are the guys to watch. This is exactly the question that many of us out here have. What is the best method? I had this issue a while back and needed to reuse a fitting that I could not find locally and I had already glued in a piece of pipe. I ended up finding a video that used the cement and set the fitting inside on fire and was able to pull it out and reuse the other fitting BUT I had heard a heat gun is better but I don't have one. Man, I don't envy this testing because I worked on my single fitting for quite a while before I went to UA-cam and fire to get it out. It was some hot work and my son said he picked up, at least, 4 new curse words from me that day. Great, great video. I have not watched fully yet so my bets are on the heat gun method.
This video saved me a MASSIVE headache. I'm so glad I watched it as it provided a different perspective for my problem.
I had a concrete pad poured for a garage and I asked the concrete guys to put some PVC in so that I could run some things in later (wires, cat6, etc.). I also had insulation around the pad for radiant heat (sides and bottom). Well, when they put the PVC in they simply set the PVC pipe (about 2') on top of the insulation, therefore when they poured the concrete, I was left with a fully encased pipe that it is impossible to put a fitting on (BECAUSE IT'S ENCASED IN CONCRETE!). I thought I was screwed but then remembered this video! I went out with my heat gun and was able to pry the entire pipe out of the hole. In my case, I didn't need to save an outer pipe, because my outer pipe was concrete :D This allowed me to put a new pipe in that extended beyond the pad (under the pad) that I could then attach a fitting to.
THANKS GUYS!
Great job guys. A tip that I learned sort of by accident with regard to the hole saw. When I was doing custom doors and door hardware, I had a situation arise where I needed to convert a 1 1/2 inch deadbolt to a 2 1/8 inch one. I discovered that my 1 1/2" hole saw conveniently screws down to the mandrel with the 2 1/8" already mounted. Since they were the same height while loose, the smaller one protrudes enough when attached this way to work as a pilot bit. Saved me from having to make a plug to fit the 1/4" bit in. Works on some mandrels, but not on some of the others. Works great if you have to oversize a knockout on an electrical box too. It works so well, it sort of makes me feel like the manufacturer meant it to work this way. Anyway, it might work for this pipe work instead of the block you guys used, maybe not as it may create even more friction and thus heat.
I watch an AvE video a few years ago showing the same methods. 👍
Great tip!
Those custom shelves in the background. Still looking good guys. 💪😎
320lbs is what many guys self-report as their Peter's weight.
science in action. excellent. made me wonder about the difference in melting point. ABS is about 392°F. PVC is about 500°F. you needed to run the ABS test cooler. maybe put a wet rag around the outside.
ABS softening point is about 220°F so maybe the hairdryer or light bulb could work.
Lower temps on the ABS didn't work because the glue didn't release. It's not the plastic's temp that's important, it's the glues temperature.
@@CitEnthusiast good the know. There are multiple factors. They were too hot in the first test so lost cohesive strength in the abs. Next is the adhesion method which sounds like it's not affected by the heat. I'd like to stick it under a microscope. The solvent in the cement may have merged the mating surfaces making them inseparable .
Oatley's website says max use of medium cement is 180F for ABS and 140F for PVC so temp window is narrower from both sides for ABS.
@@martinmoss317 ... um, that's what a solvent type glue is supposed to do.
This is why I watch your channel diligently. You guys put on not only a show but a productive way of doing things right! Keep on doing what you do,and thank you very much for showing the world a good father and son teamwork and relationship 😎
This video is one the most valuable you guys have ever produced!! For the second time I removed a broken piece of pipe from a fitting using heat and a pair of needle nose pliers. The first was for a shower drain and the second was a cracked fitting a foot underground that would have taken me hours to repair if this technique had not worked… Lots of digging! Thanks so much and keep on producing this great content for real problems that DIYERs like myself face everyday. Great work!
Schmear! That was me! It takes days to make the paste. Make some and keep it in a glass jar for the future.
Days!! Ok I’ll try it again thx 👊
I am a new apprentice to plumbing and we had this problem the other day and my lead tried the sawing the inner pipe in several spots and chipping out and broke the hub. Thanks to you guys I now have a heat gun on my truck and will do what you taught me! Thank you for taking the time to make such a helpful video! 👍
Used the heat gun trick for the second time and actually showed it to a plumber I use and he was thrilled. Nice work !
I just wanted to thank you for this. I watched this way back when it came out. Recently i found that one of my toilets flange was cracked and needed to be replaced. I didn't pull this up but i remembered heat/fire removed it pretty easily. I used a plumbing torch I had and vented the fumes best I could. With pliers the thing came out with the twist/roll method so easy. Thanks so much. Saved me so much time.
For anyone watching this who's interested in using a hub saver... I used to apply heavy pressure when I first started using them too... set the drill for slow but steady, and let the bit do the work... light steady pressure and it will chew right through fast smooth & easy without ruining the pipe socket. He gets a pass b/c experience with something comes with time unless you're lucky enough to find the comments where folks save you from having to learn the hard way. 💪
I wanted to let you guys know, as a contractor myself: i think y'all are the best show on UA-cam & it puts a smile on my face when your videos pop up in my feed
Dude, that is the cleanest concrete finishing for a demo that I have EVER seen! Even cleaner than a real job for many! Clean work guys! :)
Thanks for going to all the trouble to set up this project. I enjoyed it throughly. Wish I knew about this years ago. Very Helpful.
Well that solves the debate on saving your hub! I have used the hub saver for years, never an issue. I think it would have worked better for you if you didn't force it through and built up the heat. I get smaller shavings and a smoother surface finish. I have not used the heat gun method yet and will give it a shot.
Thanks for your time and effort to solve the mysteries of pipe removal...
It's obvious you guys had a ton of fun with your science project! What a great way to spend a day (or two). I'm glad you're getting so much love on this vid!
What is it about Louisiana? My dad was born and raised in Metairie and had the same sense of humor and devotion to quality and craftsmanship that Paul and Jason display in all their work. His favorite slogan (with a wry smile) was always , “You can do it right, or you can do it over… do you really want to do it twice“?
He was an electrician for 47 years and learned all the other construction and finish trades by observation and asking lots of questions. He and I worked together (just like Paul and Jason) for several years in the late 70’s and early 80’s, so watching your videos is like stepping into a Time Machine and paying a visit to my much-loved and sorely-missed dad. (Crap! Now I’m tearing up and can’t see the keyboard…)
Thanks for the wonderful videos guys.
I sure wouldn’t use an open flame on my sewer pipe after taco Tuesday
Most definitely a no no…sewer gas would possibly go boom. Big bada boom.
@@wes_d 5th element! 😁👍
Oh c'mon Tim, where's your sense of adventure.
Much appreciated seeing all these methods. Turns out the heat gun is best option without flame. Without a doubt your vid was so much fun to watch. 26 minutes well spent. Not only that but the time you and your son spend together learning these things from scratch is inspiring. Keep up the good works guys!
From a decade long service plumber: I will tell you that ABS can be cut to the depth of the hub and peeled off with no heat at all.
I just did this with a broken toilet flange. Cut the flange itself off with a hacksaw then used a Dremel cutoff wheel to cut vertical slices through the outside layer (this was a fitting glued over, rather than inside), then used a chisel to pry off the cut segments. Under 5 mins.
Ive been using this method for 30 years
Thanks for your comments. I was hoping they would try some other mechanical methods like this on the ABS. I've got a toilet flange to remove, so good to know cutting and peeling will work with black ABS.
Great idea and a lot of fun to watch. I would love to see more of these tests as you encounter more scenarios where viewers have different recommendations/suggestions.
You saved me hours and a lot of money. FYI, a kitchen creme brulee torch worked on a 3/4 inch pipe in my underground sprinkler pipe.
You don't have to waste energy on explaining yourself to the haters. Love your channel!
You guys create the best unscripted and informative videos on UA-cam. You have great communication skills and stay on the subject. I value scripted videos too, because they too stay on the subject. We all have clicked on the videos on a specific subject and they spend more time talking what they had for breakfast, etc. than what the video was even about. Great Job!
I just watched the "Moving a toilet 5 inches" video and I SO needed this video! My toilet drain pipe is a wye, at an angle, with tees right on both sides, so I just can't cut it off and replace. I cut the flange off, now I have to separate the pipes. I bought the socket saver and a heat gun. Gonna try the heat gun first.
There is something satisfying watching the pipe roll off slowly on the pliers.
Not that I'm a subject matter expert, but that concrete at the bottom is impervious to heat. I would definitely put a wet rag in the pipe to protect the elbow. Awesome video.
Concrete is not necessarily impervious to heat. Had a house that burned down. The concrete slab had to be replaced due to the fire damage to the concrete.
You're probably referring to the concrete being able to maintain the circular integrity of the hub which allows the replacement pipe to fit and seal properly.
Hahahaha 320 pound PETR, you got me crackin up on that one guys. Excellent demo and you spared no expense for us. Two thumbs up from me.
I had a similar problem with my pool plumbing in Houston after some freezing temperatures cracked some 1.5” pipes. I bought the Rheen fitting saver.
IT WAS NOT WORTH IT.
Turns out, when you have about 40psi going through a 1.5” PVC fitting, those ridges left by the mechanical tools can in fact create leaks.
The fire/thermal method was by far the best. I wished I’d saved my money
I was attempting to add a clean out plug to my drain pipe under the house and the old pipe cracked and broke off right at the connection to the sewer. You saved me from my dilemma! I used a heat gun and long nose pliers and what seemed impossible was actually easy! Thank you for this post!
best info out there for removing glued joints. This is the only place I could find that gave actual examples. Great work guys.
Great video and Thank you for your time. As a plumber of almost 30 years and having done this on pipe as large as 10" the heat method by flame or gun is the safest and works excellent.
Please not ABS IS FLAMMABLE. You can set the plumbing on fire unintentionally please be careful with flame on abs.
"This has turned into a hole saw recovery" ROFL! 🤣🤣
You can't set a fire in someone's house. But the heat gun and hole saw have expanded my mind!
Good info. I work for a rental company in West Virginia. Most of their properties are 100+ year-old "two week miracles" thrown together in a hurry so a miner and his family had somewhere to live, and then added to or modified (by hacks) over the last century. This means that finding something square, level, or (like a toilet) in the right place for human use is a rarity.
We're always under a time-crunch, the info provided by this video is very valuable.
For a DIY, like me, this video is invaluable! I've done this different ways, yeah the hard ways, and now I'll do it the best way for the particular situation. I'm not sure if this is the best video on Stud Pack's channel (because I haven't seen them all) but likely this will be a top 5 for me!
We have a winner!! #1 Hole saw! #2 heat gun for sure on the pvc first attempt out with that holesaw seems the way forward....nice work on the test rig!!!
Thank you guys for this video! I wish I saw it when I remodeled our bathroom! I wasted so much time using a sawzall and chisel. For my daughter’s bathroom, I used the heat gun. It was out in less than 10 minutes. Our home was built in the 80s and all of our bathrooms had a super thick mortar bed under the tile. I removed it and installed Durock which left the toilet flange about 1/2” too high. The heat gun was much easier! Cheers fellas - beers on me next time.
Thanks guys! I just used the same heat to remove a 2" pvc pipe from a shower p-trap. I'm in the middle of doing my first shower renovation; your videos have been tremendously helpful throughout the entire process.
You can use a much smaller pipe/hole saw. It does not need to be in direct contact with the PVC or even a snug fit at all. 1/2 gap all the way around will still work as long as its red hot. It will generally trash a hole saw blade (the paint coating will start to come off), but save your old crappy ones or go to harbor freight and get the cheapest thing.
The metal has enough thermal mass, and being circular will eventually heat the fitting from the inside. It will not be hot enough to damage the PVC or light things on fire. After about 1-2 minutes remove the hot piece and you will have a nice gummy PVC fitting. I usually the grab edge of the old fitting/pipe with needle nose or vice grips and just twist. They old PVC glue just peels off like opening an old tin can with the key. If it starts to get too stiff, just repeat but I usually get them in 1 go.
Minimal fumes, easy to adapt to many circumstances, and not too fussy with what you use. Hell I even heated them up on the stove or BBQ grill before.
Great video! I heard that you could remove glued pvc with a heat gun, & now you’ve proved it👍
You guys put a lot of time, effort and expense in this video, definitely appreciate you guys !!!! Thanks
I love that you guys set up a whole PETR and ran experiments. This one was fun and informative, thanks stud pack!
Best pipe extraction methods compsrison video ever...
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I really hope you do more videos like this. Something stuck and wont come out, show what tools and tips work to actually get things in a workable condition again.
I like how you guys continue to adapt and come up with new ways to keep us entertained while teaching us something new every time. Nice job boys!
Thanks for this. Had to pull pipe from a hub today and thought of this video, and thought immediately to use a heat gun. 10 minutes later was done!
Thermodynamics meet home improvements. These are the 'tricks of the trade' at its finest. My Dad was the master of all the tricks - he would have given this experiment two thumbs up for sure. He was doing heat bends in PVC back in the 70s. Great vid, I learned a ton.
Cool thx Steve 👊👍
Wow! Loved the demonstration, I've used the hole saw method before and now I'll be using my heat gun, I have the Harbor Freight version. Got to say I absolutely love the father son connection in the production, you two work great together. I'm in California and my son is in Washington and I with we could work together as we're both tradesmen but it just isn't gonna happen. Thumbs up guys!
Yeah I'm ditching the chisel and hack saw next time and breaking out the heat gun for PVC. Nice work guys!
Enjoy the dual commentary. Very fun to watch. Helps me in the pool industry. Thanks
You two are awesome. It's really cool to see father and son having such a great working relationship. Quality programming, guys! 🤜💥🤛
Appreciate that Jim 👊
You guys are awesome! As an electrician I've seen a lot of things over the years. You're the first master of all trades, jack of none that I've witnessed.
Much appreciated thx 👊👍
Thank you! Respect! You gave me inspiration and made all my doubts go away. In my case it was pre existing 2" abs cleanout half way in the slab,facing against the stud, thus failed inspection. I got a hole saw ready, but ended up using sawzall, a piece of broken hacksaw blade and a screw driver to chisel out pieces.
I’m with Mike Marino on this one...this was a well thought out experiment , covering most options. KUDOS to you guys!! Really good practical info on what works and what works best. Would love to see that tool you ordered in operation (if you ever get it in). Thanks for the video guys! Love your work! 👍👍👍
I only just discovered your channel.
Love the down-to-earth approach you take.
Also love the interaction between father and son.
As a Canadian (and this is really high praise) I see Mike Holmes here.
Keep it up!
Great video and demonstration Paul and Jordan. I didn't think the heat gun would be the best alternative, but you proved me wrong. You guys remain safe out there and keep the great video's coming! :)
Loved the double entendres for the "large heavy petr" ! 😂🤣😆
These guys are probably making more from the videos now than they do on rehabs 🤣 Great job man keep it up !!!
Another great video guys. Now, I know exactly what's needed if I encounter either PVC, or ABS pipe hubs. No wasted time trying to figure out how to get the needed result. Thank you!
You two are such likable people! Thanks for going through all this for our sakes!
Thanks guys. I wouldn't have guessed you could remove pipe that way. I bet you're going to get a lot of people that want to see a good faith attempt to use the light bulb and pull the pipe. I'd *like* that demonstration. I have a well earned distrust of, "That shouldn't work because..." claims. I've so often scratched my head about why things worked or didn't work unexpectedly. That's when our theories improve the most.
wish the people i worked with were as thorough as you guys are on the job
I used a 2" hub saver on my shower drain recently. It worked great. I just hand sanded the inside a little bit to smooth it out afterwards.
this is awesome. Its really nice you looked at the comments and tried all the ideas. great job
Another great use for your new heat gun you might not have thought of: making custom matching LVP corner moulding. Great for finishing out stairs in LVP. Look it up on UA-cam - you basically just build a little bending jig and use the heat gun to soften the LVP until it bends easily.
Once I bought a heatgun, I started trying it on all kinds of stuff. It's been a life saver, also one of the few tools I think your safe buying from harbor freight. That's where I got mine and it has lasted for years and I use it a lot.
Heat gun for the win! Like $60-80 bucks! Charge it to the first job and make money on the rest. Definitely getting it to 400+ degrees and rolling it off is the best! Good work Studpack!
Nice video, you covered some good methods, I've done the heat gun and torch lightly, on PVC. ABS - there is another method that I have used when I didn't have a hub saver and when nothing else was available. ABS when it has set up or dried, I have cut a couple of cuts with a saw on the inside of the pipe and the depth of the pipe about a 1/4" wide. Then I take a small flat head and chip out the 1/4" wide piece of pipe, then I start prying out the rest of the ABS pipe with two flat heads all the way around the circumference till the pipe pops out. This isn't a very efficient way of removal, but in a pinch it works!
Just did the heat gun with ABS yesterday and I had it perfect like your PVC. It is possible but there's more of a method to it.
On the heat gun...I hate corded tools so if there is a cordless version which works as good (now, often better) I opt for cordless. DeWalt has a cordless heat gun and I compared the capabilities of it with a corded...while the max temp was not as high as the corded, it has worked for everything I needed it for.
Originally, I bought the cordless for solder links used in automotive wiring (waterproof wire junctions with solder rings inside which when heated, solder the overlapped stranded wire as well as shrink the outer jacket), but I have used the cordless heat gun for a bunch of other applications, including using it as an alternative to fire-starting when out camping when I had to dry out some kindling before it would start...while drying out the kindling, it started on fire.
Thanks guys, good to know and I think it will save me a lot of work next time I have to restore a PVC joint.
Oh and, the heat guns don't solder copper fittings, at least the ones I tried when looking for an alternative to open-flame tools.
You guys are always fun to watch...i learn some weird, "in the field" tips and tricks from y'all
Best Online Plumbing Class I've ever watched ..
This was great. I was considering purchasing the Reed pipe reamer as you mentioned. It’s around $30 to $40 on Amazon. But now I think I’ll just use the heat gun which I already own! Thank you!
This is why I love following both of you. Not afraid to experiment, learn, and expand your skill sets.
I would love to see you do a few more videos of home hacks. Just simple builds and improvements on your house that make life easier for you. Like the garage storage build and moms toilet. Get views and increase the value of your home at the same time.
Great video guys! Way to pull out all the stops to make sure your viewers are well informed and entertained....... Who doesn't love fire? Incidentally I have that same heat gun and I use it all the time in electrical work and heating up parts to fit over hubs! It is an essential for your tool chest brother!
Great video guys! I have a new pool pump I need to install and need some "science" on best way to remove PVC from fittings, as I don't have enough room left from my 3-way valve to inlet of pump. Thanks for showing all the ways this is possible - literally the best, and most useful UA-cam video i've ever seen. With toxic fumes during burn off, I'll just "Eric Garcetti" that and hold my breath!
That was a video I needed. I do a lot of irrigation pipe in PVC and sometimes have to reuse a fitting on a Sunday night to get it working. Hope you are all ok after all those fumes from the heat as they can be really bad. The hole saw idea was my favorite.
That was awesome! I run into situations like this, where i need an easier method of removal. You just gave me some really great options
cutting with a hole-saw bit, I always uses worn out ones and ran them in reverse on a grinder wheel or concrete to cut the teeth diameter down to the right size. you can also predrill a scrap piece of wood with same bit and use that as a centering guide. some times you improvise and use what you have on hand.
Great video, guys !! Also, your wife can use the low setting of the heat gun for drying hair, just have to hold it further away and work fast !!
I am going to tell my wife that and see how it goes. She might look like Nicole Ritchie at her birthday bash yesterday.
@@kevinintheusa8984 well, it's for in a pinch, or if her blow dryer burned out and she needs her hair dried quickly ! This would be considered a two person operation ; you have the heat gun on low, while your wife does the combing/brushing of her hair, just remember to move the heat gun around her hair about a foot away and keep it moving until she says her hair is dry. I did this procedure with my wife, who had waist length hair, and it worked out well ! This was until we could get to the store to purchase another hair dryer for her. Good luck, and, by the way, it's a great way to spend some quality time with your wife before going out on the town 😀 !
Oh dear God thank you for it being a test rig, I though you were losing your minds. Thanks boys!
Great video! I have had a heat gun for years! Used it early on building model airplanes. It's real handy if you need to break free red Loctite threads.
For some reason I have a taste for grape taffy 😂 I'm in PVC territory so heat gun, torch or burning glue will work for me. Thanks for the awesome demo!
Perhaps the most useful DIY video in years. Wondering if a higher wattage incandescent bulb would work better. Might just find a stray old-time bulb in the basement and set it aside for this use in the future. The MEK substitute might be a state or local health department requirement. MEK is a potent brain-cell destroyer. Need serious ventilation to be using that stuff.
I love how you guys bring us through your thoughts and attempts while staying humble. Subscribed!
You guys killed it! I mean absolutely knocked it out of the park, over to the next park then out of that one! Great video guys
Why have an obscene avatar? Totally unnecessary...
@@rhymereason3449 Because I can and frankly I don't care about your opinion so I hold my actual middle finger up to you!
I like all your vids, but this is one of you best gents. Great experiment. Nice to see you listening to all the comments. Love to see more like this in the future. Andrew
This video made my day! -Stoked that you ordered the Reed version-it’s a night and day difference over the hub saver. Again, I waited all summer to finally get mine. Also happy to see the flame method did the trick!
I use a multi tool to a line down, then use a chisel to chisel the pvc pipe out. It’s the best method I tried so far
M.E.K. can be hard to find at the retail level, since it was banned in California, and bans in regions that big tend to effect other regions. You can still get it from marine and aircraft specialty suppliers such as Aircraft Spruce.
By far this is one of the best videos that I've seen