Historical notes - So first off, I have no access to a desert map in the simulator I use to make these. I used the closest map I could, and the kills actually took place very close to Cairo, which likely did have areas that did have some trees, fields, etc. Also, I definitely slightly mispronounced his name a couple times towards the end. Sorry, I did my best. Obviously, some of the plane models may not be exactly accurate, but I have tried to make it as close as possible to what the records show. Hope you guys enjoy! Please consider supporting me on Patreon - Patreon.com/TJ3Gaming
The limitations of the maps and the skins of the planes I can honestly accept and understand you have limited control over, why not use IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 which has tons of skins and terrains, and although it’s dated it’s still good looking?
Hans Jochen Marseille is one of the Luftwaffe aces featured in the book "Horrido!" He had 158 victories to his name when he was killed in that 30Sep1942 tragic accident. And he was also one of the recipients of the "Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds," of which only 27 were awarded in the entire Wehrmacht during all of World War 2. Even the highest scoring fighter ace in history, Erich Hartmann (352 kills), paid tribute to Marseille when he told his soviet captors that "Marseille was seen as the better fighter pilot than himself (Hartmann)" since the Germans considers "1 Western pilot equivalent to 3 soviet pilots." That statement earned Hartmann more beatings & a longer time in solitary confinement. Hartmann was released by the soviets in 1955, ten years after he surrendered with JG-52.
@@fritzvongerbel8999 Yes; his plane malfunctioned and oily smoke filled the cockpit & blinded him. It also kind of disoriented him because his plane was not in a favorable position when he was preparing to bail out and he hit part of the aircraft when he jumped. When they found his body, the ring that was supposed to release his chute was still intact and there were no signs of any attempt by the pilot of opening it. Most historians concluded that Marseille was probably killed or knocked out when he hit his plane and maybe unconscious or already dead when he fell to earth. Pls. try to find the "Horrido" book on German aces of WW2; it's really worth the time to read the book.
@@seppeisenmann8710 It DOES make you think how he would've fared in Europe if he could behave himself. A lot of it has to do with WHERE skilled pilots fly. Hartmann got most of his kills on the Eastern Front and Marseille in North Africa.
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In the book "Horrido!" his shooting accuracy is described best by his armorers reports. On average he fired 3 cannon shells and 15 machinegun bullets per kill. Phenomenal accuracy by any standard.
@@raypurchase801 they could litteraly count how many rounds was left in his magazines, and take an average by how many planes he downed. So kinda hard to lie about
@@pontuxdanex Killing multiple weaving fighters with three shells and 15 bullets is unlikely. Given the rate of fire from MULTIPLE machine guns, that means depressing the trigger button for about one quarter of a second per kill. Reminds me of the kamikaze pilot who completed 20 successful missions.
@@raypurchase801 René Fonck, the Allies' most successful fighter pilot of WW1, was famous for his 3-10 rounds kills. True that it was not the same time, not the same planes nor the same weapons...
@@FrenchCrow Lying was commonplace among Luftwaffe aces. Kurt Welter claimed 27 Mosquitos. Postwar historians compared Welter's claims with actual losses. Only three Mosquitos were lost on the days and nights when Welter claimed victories. Perhaps those three kills were achieved by a different pilot or flak. German propaganda needed heroic supermen.
Read the book by Colin Heaton, the amazing part is that every kill was carefully recorded. The only discrepancy found was that a few planes he logged as shot down crash landed instead. His shooting skill were so phenomenal that he would at times switch targets before all his rounds had hit the other plane. He managed deflection shots in all attitudes
@@blitzy3244 And dont forget,the Allies didnt count those planes returned,but damaged beyond repair,as loss,hovewer they were losses also,while the Gefmans did.
What made Marseille amazing was the way he devised to demolish British circling defensive formations. He was witnessed diving in and out of those large formations at high speed like a Barracuda in the middle of drove a sardine shooting down enemy planes with accuracy each time he either plunged from above or recalled the plane upward from below at full deflection making for pilots that should have covered their squadron mate impossible to follow. Marseille must have been a wonderous shooter as deflection shooting was actively discouraged during training of pilots as being too difficult for such high speed planes, and he was also often found to have shot just a handful of rounds while coming back with multiple victories in the same sortie.
@@bobsakamanos4469 Knife-edge balancing while using the initiative. Humans present the most incredibly skilled individuals in the course of a wide range of events don't they? Politicians of any stripe do not make the grade, obviously.
Marseille was the most gifted pilot of the world . His aiming was the best by far from any side of the conflict . He could beat the score from Hartmann but his destiny was not to be . RIP
Hartmann served only 5 months longer than Marseille, since he didn't join the war before late 1942. So Marseille would have to shoot down another 194 planes in 5 month only to become equal with Hartmann.
Even Hartmann said that Marseille was the better fighter pilot with better gunnery skills. Hartmann basically stuck with the peck and zoom doctrine, often using neg g's when caught in a turning fight to escape. Rough on the eyeballs.
Great historical recreation! One of Marseille's tricks to shoot a plane out of a defensive "Lufbury" circle was to dive directly below it, pull up abruptly and pass between two planes in the circle but he flashed by so fast, coming up from a blind spot that he was gone before the plane behind him got a chance to shoot, and as he flashed through the Lufbury he gave one well-timed squirt and the plane ahead went down!
@@adamwsaxe Start from above, "Hun in the sun", but instead of diving straight into the Lufbery, where attacking any plane will expose you to fire from the plane behind (the whole point of the Lufbery) you zoom below it, then zoom back up again with the momentum of your dive, but inserting yourself from below, where nobody can see you. I'm not making this up! I read about it somewhere. It was a brilliant tactic! Marseille invented it! It led to much of his success.
I also have read about this tactic*. It needed exceptional flying ability on Marseille's part but he had that in spades. Those poor pilots! They formed the circle for defensive purposes but did not count on being attacked by Marseille. On 6 June 1942 in 11 minutes, using this method Marseille shot down 6 Tomahawk aircraft from no 5 Squadron of the USA AF. *See pages 120-123 "Die Jaegerasse der deutschen Luftwaffe 1939-1945", Mike Spick, Bernard & Graefe Verlag
@@slehar yes, energy tactics, but the germans had already been using that for some time, BoB in particular. Famous Aussie ace Clive Caldwell had been doing the same thing in Tomahawks and Kittyhawks. Maseille actually used flaps for his manouvering around those Hurricanes in their defensive circles.
A Gentleman? A Hero? I agree that he was an amazing fighter pilot but the man fought passionately for one of the most evil and tyrannical regimes in history. He was on the frontline invading other countries. The “heroes” were the allied pilots he shot down and killed. The ones who gave their lives to stop Nazi Germany. The real German heroes were the ones that fled the country when the propaganda became extreme and fought for the allies. This guys was just an amazing fighter pilot
@@jimc7022 no one cares about your oppion bud. He fought for his country, and died for his country. He was a hero, and if you dont think he is, then stop sitting here complaining about it
@@jimc7022 Oh please, spare us with the self-righteous BS. If you were his age in Germany at that time you'd be fighting for them just the same. People don't fight for politicians and ideologies on the whole, they fight for their comrades and their loved ones back home and you'd be no different, because like most people who fight in wars you'd think your side were the good guys. If you think you're immune to propaganda, I've got a bridge to sell you.
So, the ladies were such a distraction that the Luftwaffe sent him to North Africa? Ironically enough, one of my crew members when I was an armorer at a USAF fighter base in Germany in the early 1960s had the same problem. We were regularly sent to Wheelus AFB in Libya for a month at a time in support of the fighter gunnery and bombing training operations there. On one trip, this guy got to missing female companionship so much that he determined to go into Tripoli one night and find some action. I tried to discourage him, as I knew of no safe way he could accomplish his task in a city so lacking in opportunity. He went anyway, and came back the next morning claiming mission accomplished. Turns out that the presence of the former Italian occupiers of Libya had not disappeared completely--he had found an Italian-run cat house equipped with at least one willing Italian girl. The boy had determination, I tell you.
@@rimshot2270 Hell he kicked the Allies out of Wheelus too, so there's symmetry. BUT...I think he did leave the Allied and Axis War Cemeteries 'as is'.
Most Brits and Commonwealth folks have always known about Marseille. Traditionally, American media had ignored the N. African campaign because of the losses they sustained there.
My grandfather was enlisted out of Shilo Manitoba and was sent over to Africa with British forces in Tunisia. There he was a Sgt and in command of triple A air defense time, protecting a British Air base. He has a photo of him standing beside Marseille's downed airplane, as it had the golden 100th victory logo on the tail of the plane. They were all away of the Star of Africa! So it's pretty cool to actually learn of this pilot in this video, having heard about him long ago when I was just a kid.
For anyone who finds this pilot and the European air war of WW2 interesting, I cannot recommend enough the book 'A Higher Call', which goes over the experiences of Franz Stigler and Charlie Brown in detail, and a number of other notable figures they cross paths with. Stigler's memories of Marseille are fascinating and offer some insight into his state of mind and the absurdity of war. Stigler survived the war, and the descriptions of flying the 262 in unbelievably appalling conditions (of course well after any sane nation should have surrendered) are spellbinding. There are interviews with both Stigler and Brown (and other surviving airmen from Ye Olde Pub) available on UA-cam for viewing. Thank you :)
I read the book a few years ago. A fantastic read! The conditions these Luftwafe pilots endured in North Africa were brutal. They slept at night in foxholes in the open because it was too dangerous to sleep in a building because their bases were routinely attacked by the British and Americans. The food was hardly fit to eat. They lived a surreal life from one day to the next, going up flying several missions each day, knowing that the odds were against them finishing the each day and each week alive. Stigler was a true hero for Germany. To protect their own careers top Nazi officials often accused the Luftwafe fighter pilots of cowardice and blamed them for the war going against Germany. After the war many German civilians bought into this story and blamed the Luftwafe fighter pilots for not doing their job which led the destruction of Germany through massive allied bombings. These warriors went up time after time until they were killed or too crippled to fly again. Stigler found there was no way to communicate to German civilians the level of sacrifice these pilots gave. The months immediately after teh war ended were very harsh times for Germany. The level of sacrifice and heroism by Luftwafe fighter pilots far exceeded anything the British or American fighter pilots did. Through most of the war they were outnumbered and always short on fuel, ammunition, parts and support. Yes, they fought on bravely for months and years after a time when Germany should have surrendered.
Very well done. I actually have one of his WW 2 Medals. Hans Joachim Marseille was a great Fighter Pilot and will be remembered as such. Sadly, he died at age 22. Much too young for anyone.
These stories make me so sad. It does not matter what side they fought on. The tragedy of this waste of life is deeply moving. Humanity learns nothing & will follow the directives of the selfish and powerful to perpetuate any degree of evil. We are very close to doing it all over again with even more horror.
"Humanity learns nothing & will follow the directives of the selfish and powerful to perpetuate any degree of evil." too often too true, yes. And those planes make it even easier. I mean, a reckless and talented party beast, 20-ish kid has the chance to fly a top plane of his era, and to become a super star. He would have followed 2 hitlers or more for those hours in the Bf-109. Sad, indeed.
.....I heard that one day when he couldn't fly Because he had to go to Berlin to see Hitler and collect his knights, knights golden cross, with platinum crossed diamonds,ruby encrusted swastikas and extra shiny swords, his flying suit, boots and helmet took off and shot down 25 RAF Wellington's, 40 B 17's, 83 Spits, 9 Mosquitos, 300 P40 kittyhawks and a top secret prototype Canberra!, During lunch time, that's how great he was !!!! 🐂💩 ! 🤦
The last fight short before his death against a british pilot - whom he highly respected as an ‚ace’ after his victory - in a Spitfire ( sth different from P 40s and Hurricanes, sorry) showed (him) how exhausted he was. Tragically, he then died in an accident. The very early versions of Bf 109 G 2 had this terrible problems with the engine. Marseille represented the best traditions of German military in WWII. A knight of the sky, no fanaticism, no brutality, no racism. A fascinating personality.
Marseille was known for 2 skills. Incredible pilot skills, he could do "impossible" stuff with the 109. He was a master of deflection shooting. He would slow down his plane, aim carefully and shoot like a sniper. This was described by other pilot as "impossible shots". Very long distance, the enemy pilot not even knowing he was in danger. The hits always making the same pattern, first hits in the engine, backwards, ending in the cockpit. The master, Erich Hartmann, described this skills as incredible, he had nothing like it himself. He had to fly very close and shoot at point blank, if he wanted to hit anything. Thus often taking debris damage from the defeated enemy plane.
Hans was a real gentleman as well, proving not all Germans were Nazi's. He was known for flying to british/allied bases and dropping notes apologizing for dishonorable conduct during engagements and contact between german and allied pilots. A true "Ace", its incredibly unfair the way he died.
What to think about this Luftwaffe Ace...died as a consequence of engine failure?...too bad and sad, for an exceptional pilot and soldier...The Africa Star...Hans Joachim Marseille...unique pilot...
When Marseille reported his victories to his headquarters, a general happened to be present (I think it may have been Kesselring, but perhaps someone can confirm). At any rate, he reported that his squadron achieved 17 victories that day and the general then asked how many of those 17 he had shot down? 17, he replied, to which the general simply shook his hand without saying another word.
I think you are right with it being kesselring.. in the German aces series Marseille is brought up multiple times.. some of the stories of his antics are hilarious
@@ALA-uv7jq Every fighter pilot overclaimed, but some more than others. Detailed RAF and Luftwaffe records from the Battle of Britain still survive. They've been closely-examined by historians and nerds. The Luftwaffe overclaimed by a factor of three, the RAF by about 50%. The funniest overclaiming was by USAAF gunners on B17s.
Something from world war two I found mind blowing. Was when I understood how my veteran father and his seven infantry man crew worked with one tank through a city. "It started in the cities of Italy," he said. The tank would park and he and six others. His sergeant who carrier a Sten gun, two explosives engineers, four riflemen, one Bren gunner would approach the row of buildings. They would never go up the street or outside the buildings at all when they could help it. Instead they would blow their way through the walls all the way to the far end of the block. They called it mouse holing, one of the explosive engineers had a doctors stethoscope and would listen to make sure the room they were about to enter was empty. Then they would blow a small hole and pass through. Sometimes on the first floor, sometimes on another floor. It just depended on the block of buildings. They would do this all the way to the far end of the block. Where they would then pause to spot for the enemy. Once the sergeant spotted a 88 howitzer, being pulled by horses and setting up to hit their tank posted at the far end of the block. He instructed my daddy to run back to the tank and tell it where to shoot the howitzer. My dad was the smallest man on the crew but the fastest runner and he never forgot where the mouse holes all were. He ran all the way back to the tank. Through all of the mouse holed buildings and by the time he pointed out the howitzer's position, that big 88 howitzer gun had taken two shots that missed their tank both times, hitting a railroad track immediately behind them. He pointed at the 88's position, the tank fired and nailed it. Everything went flying, he said. The men, the horses and the gun all vanished in smoke. I asked him what kind of a tank was it that he followed. I don't know, he said. But it had a twenty one painted on a box that was mounted to the back of the turret and a little white Canada on the rear corner. The other guys carried their web gear and all their stuff with them but I never did. Everything I had was in that box, all I carried was my rifle, ammo and two grenades' he said. I enjoyed your video of the fighter pilots and thought you might want to check something like this infantry and tank working together story.
Awesome. Thanks man. I would also love to see some documentaries on, maybe, Warthog Pilots, why not? Thanks again & please keep these little documentaries coming, they're really great.
Some of the Spanish 109s in 'The Star of Africa' later appear in the film 'The Battle of Britain', after being updated from Hispano engines to Merlins.
So essentially after shooting down all those enemy fighters and living to fight on....he was killed by his CO forcing his best pilot to fly an unreliable piece of crap plane known to have a serious mechanical problem.
The irony of the recreation is that all shown kills are more or less from behind. Marseilles did not bother with this; he was able to engage from all angles with deadly accuracy.
Jochen Marseille was arguably the best fighter pilot in history. While several Luftwaffe pilots on the eastern front shot down more enemy aircraft than Marseille, all but one of his 158 victories were against British/ Commonwealth fighters, not against poorly flown Soviet aircraft of all types.
I too have often wondered this and I'm usually not able to get much, but he's what I have gathered. Firstly, he was a very good and aggressive pilot, but a lot of his success was due to his almost godlike deflection shooting ie. he put the bullets to where he thought his enemy was going to be rather than spray n' pray, so he'd knock out engines with just one or two squeezes of the trigger. Enemy pilots can't fight back with no engine. sometimes using less than 20 shells and bullets per kill. I'm sorry thats probably not enough but thats all I've read.
I respect Hartmann, but 344 of his victories were against the Soviet aces and 8 against the British and Americans. All of Marseille's 158 victories were against the best British and American aircraft at the time. No other pilot has shot down so many British and American planes. This makes him the best ace. And it must be borne in mind that he died very early. In 1942. Otherwise, this figure would be much higher.
He's among the best Luftwaffe pilot with Werner Mölders, Heinz Bär, Günther Rall, Adolph Galland, Erich Hartmann, Hans-Ulrich Rudel, Gerhard Barkhorn, Otto Kittel, Erich Rudorffer, Hermann Graf, Theodor Weissenberger, Wilhelm Batz, Walter Nowotny, Walter Krupinski, Hans Hahn, Dietrich Hrabak...etc.
@@jacobbelenky7585 German pilots are NOT fascist, just did their duty in air fighting without knowing what Hitler’s group did until 1945 or after end of war…
@@artherr2843 Not actually true. Gordon Gollob was a Nazi. Galland was close friends with Speer - one of the reasons he was not invited into he Bundesluftwaffe because his closeness to Hitler and Göring. Hans-Ulrich Rudel assisted in the escape of Josef Mengele, the child murderer. Günther Rall, in his memoirs, said virtually every Luftwaffe aviator knew what a concentration camp was.
Great presentation. Well done. With all his crashes, he was very lucky to still be alive but his luck finally ran out. I believe he was the master of "deflection" firing. The Allied Airforce would have their revenge on the Luftwaffe in North Africa during the Tunisian campaign.
You forgot his main achievement, the break of the Lufbery Circle: he dived at high speed into the middle of these defensive formations from either above or below, executing a tight turn and firing a two-second deflection shot to destroy an enemy aircraft.
A Luftwaffe pilot who didn't cut his teeth in Spain , yet none the less became a legend , by virtue of the number of kills he racked up mainly in Africa
Marseille's greatest strengths were his deflection shooting and his ability to manipulate his flaps, stabilizers, and air brakes in such a way that allowed his aircraft to have the same turning radius as a Spitfire. This technique was known to all Luftwaffe pilots but it was a risky business, not many German pilots were willing to take the chance. His deflection shooting was unmatched - he returned from one mission in which he claimed one kill. He told the assorted personnel who gathered around that he only used seven rounds in this kill. No-one believed him until his mechanic/armorer actually opened the engine cover and counted the expended rounds . . . only seven cartridges had been used. Cheers!
Absolutely this guy was a great fighter pilot, the numbers tell the story, in part, and in more ways than we think at first glance. Look how many times he himself was shot down, if he was the best of the best, why was he shot down so many times? It’s because there is so much luck involved here. Most attacks are surprise attacks from behind and even the best pilot and his wing man can’t catch everything. A big deal is made about these huge kill counts racked up by German pilots, as if they really were the master race, but this is not the case. Consider what really was going on here. German pilots fought until they were killed in action. We killed most of their aces, and that is great because I hate those bastards, I hate all Nazis. Secondly, and very importantly, they started the war with a very experienced combat fighter pilot force. This gave them a huge advantage and they wrapped up huge kill counts against inexperienced allied pilots. By the end of the war this scenario was completely reversed, Ha ha ha. Most of our fighter pilot aces survived the war, most of theirs did not, this is a fact, a 90% mortality rate amongst Nazi bastard pilots And then there is the eastern front where it was a turkey shoot against a clearly inferior Russian air force. Even so, by mass of numbers, the Russians defeated the Nazis shitheads on the eastern front, and they found the German hero dead by his own hand in Berlin, the Russians took Berlin from the master race. Too many of you out there are worshiping these German bastard aviators as if they were some kind of war gods, invincible, and all that, but as we see here in this video, and in the history, Marseille was shot down several times, and when his plane malfunctioned, he wasn’t so smart as to get out quick, was he? Didn’t he make mistakes here, as he made many times in combat? Grow up children and stop worshiping Nazi bastards, we kicked the shit out of them in 2 world wars, and it’s not likely they’re coming back for a third round, and we can all be thankful of that. I hate them, can’t you tell, A hatred richly deserved. I wish we would’ve killed every goddamn one of them, including the one you guys worship the most, Hartman, Eastern front turkey shoot Hartman.
@@steveperreira5850 His capabilities as a pilot and deflection shooter has nothing to do with politics. Maybe it did back then although many pilots fought because they could, flying fighter planes was unimaginable prestige.
@@steveperreira5850 You sound like a giant, whining baby. What people are impressed with is flying skill, regardless of affiliation. Great job typing a ton of facts that are easily accessible. Something tells me you’re missing some major validation in your life and you choose to come on these types of videos and troll. Go back to your mom’s basement and cry about something else!
I have read quite a bit about this gentleman, I think you did his story superbly well. You have produced a truly enjoyable piece of history. Cheers and thank you.
So many inaccuracies in this video that it beggars belief, I was really hoping he would do his homework on this one as he is my favourite from when I was a 14 year old boy, I’m 48 and I’m still fascinated by him.
@@antartis73 Unfortunately there is a lot of inconsistencies about Marseille's life and accomplishments written in books and the only one who can set them straight did not survive the war. I am sure Marseille would have loved all that inconsistency reported about him, just waiting for the best time to set everyone straight. I believe the video captures his spirit brilliantly, someone who was easily one of the best at what he did and lived life to the fullest while serving his country, enjoying the fame and wanting to be the best, albeit in his own way.
@@benwelch4076 I think I when making a historic video one should try to stick to the truth as much as possible. So much history has been altered for the benefit of cheap amusement. The spirit is there you’re right however for someone who loves Marseille like I do and knows a greet deal about him this video didn’t do it for me. It just felt like a cheap cheat. Wikipedia and visuals for those that want a light sprinkling on the subject and likes for the channel for the producer.
@@antartis73 I can appreciate that, I am by no means an expert on Marseilles, only from the bits I have read about him. A man of amazing talent to get those numbers and not on the Russian front either, I would be interested in any books you would recommend about him and thank you for this conversation, it has been enjoyable.
Reminds me of our George Beurling, a troublesome solo Spit pilot who p/o'd his commanders so often for repeatedly stunting at zero feet in trainers that he was also sent to North Africa where he became known as the "The Falcon of Malta" and the "Knight of Malta", having been credited with shooting down 27 Axis aircraft in just 14 days. R.C.A.F. and RAF
@BekGrou PRIMUS Beurling shot down _everything_ that wasn't a friendly. That's a problem? Edit: You don't know anything about Canadians when they go to war, do you?
Beurling didn't drink, nor socialize with officers. He took umbrage at their treatment of him as an NCO, which was the real problem. He did however spend much time with the NCO pilots and the erks, helping to work on aircraft. Laddie Lucas was an excellent CO that understood Beuring and coaxed the best out of him. The true Beurling story was told many times by his good friend/sqn mate Bob Middlemiss, who was guest of honour at many mess dinners.
Marseille was a gifted deflection shooter. On the day he scored 17 kills, he showed how he had perfected deflection shooting. He and his wingman spotted an Allied formation. The typical British defensive tactic of flying a Lufbery circle. The tactic was to fly in a slowly descending circle making it very difficult for enemy pilots to shoot the Allied pilots. Each pilot in the circle would defend the plane in front of him. What Marseille would do is fly above the circle, then dive down and pull-up into the circle, fire a quick burst at his target and roll out of the formation before the trailing pilot could react. Examination of the ground crashes showed that the bullets would start in the engine and trail back to the cockpit.
There is a written account signed by his ground crew, that during one sortie during which he destroyed three Hurricanes, his aircraft had only expended eleven 20mm cannon rounds and less than thirty machine gun. The man was absolutely a sniper. Best aerial shooter of the war. He would constantly snap shot a few rounds directly into his opponents engine, scoring kills from angles and distances thought impossible.
A dashing, handsome young man who liked his drink & women, but not nazis. Not only a great ace ("Star Over Africa,") he was also one of the most wrote up by superiors (lol).
Incorrect that the Group I/JG27 was named after Marseille, the third staffel of the first Gruppe(Group) was renamed ‘Marseille’ staffel and later on in post war Western Germany a whole barracks was named ‘Marseille Kasserne’
When you start discribing Marseille's cockpit drama in such intricate and vivid detail, my eyebrows raise and think, wtf. While it may make for entertaining story telling, it leaves the listener in doubt as to what else is fabricated in the events. Now I need to consult another source.
I think there was more drama included in this video than what was said about what happened in the cockpit. The Allies didn’t put so many completely incompetent pilots in the air for this pilot’s aerial target practice on such a prolific continual basis, there is no way I’ll ever believe that the 17 kills in one day, and 8 kills in so few a number of minutes is accurate, NEVER
@@jjayyoung7335 I advise You to read Neville Dukes (memories) especially the chapter about his encounter with Marseille. After that You will never doubt the Numbers of „Luftsiege“ again. Every single Luftsieg had to be witnessed by another German pilot or soldier. Otherwise it would not officially recognized as a Luftsieg.And if You still cannot believe it, check the number of losses by allied sources. They were always higher then the claimed victories by the Germans. Hans Joachim Marseille learned it the hard way. During the Battle of Britain he lost I think 5 of his planes minimum but were always able to fly them at least to the French beaches, where he crashedlanded them. It took him almost 2 years to master his skills, but after that time nobody of his contemporary allied pilot were able to beat him. He was simply the best fighter pilot of WW II.
@@stefanschachler831 Correct. Most aces were shot down multiple times. The fact that Marseille lost 5 planes in the BoB is significant in that they were only damaged allowing him to recross the channel. By contrast Ginger Lacey was shot down 9 times.
You should do one on the Finnish ace Ilmari Juutilainen - for my money the greatest fighter pilot ever. 94+ kills (highest scoring non-German - many in Brewster Buffalos), never took a bullet from an enemy plane and never lost a wingman.
JG27 had a lot of great pilots Franz Stigler Johan stienhoft . Might be spelled incorrect but you get the picture. And of course Hans . What a shame he was only 22.
Hauptmann Emil ‘Bully’Lang just for the record claimed 18 victories in a single day on the eastern front on 3 November 1943 so Marseille’s record even though superb was surpassed in Luftwaffe folklore since you used Wikipedia word for word - it is mentioned in there somewhere if you bothered to read that part. Marseille’s tombstone that you use in your video is actually the family Cenotaph in Berlin Charlottenburg not where he was interned, his remains were initially interned in the German cemetery in Derna Lynda, then at the memorial gardens in Tobruk.
While Marseille’s feat was outstanding, he does not hold the record for most aircraft shot down in one day. Beating it by 1, Emil Lang shot down 18 Russian aircraft in one day. It hurts saying that, being that Marseille is my favorite aviator in history.
De no haber sido por su accidente al saltar de su paracaídas por averías en su BF 109 su número de victorias hubiera sido enormes,ha sido uno de los grandes ases de la segunda guerra mundial apodado Estrella de África
One other mistake: His staffel was named after him, not gruop. He was staffelfurher of 3./JG 27 in first gruppe. You didn`t mention his best ability, destroying the Lufbery circles which he made as the only one able to do.
I am a loyal Englishman, I object to the pathetic narrative of this video. This video lacks understanding of this pilots great skill. His ability to judge off bore sight shooting was exceptional. His accuracy and economy was legendary, using fewer bullets than anyone else. He was a swash buckling warrior of the old school type. An incredible pilot. Showing bravery beyond the norm. Saying his kill count was inaccurate is am absolute disgrace.
The sad state of affairs today in aviation is that 99% more effort goes into downgrading Aces scores than does in the direction of expanding scores, Boyington, Billy Bishop, ( all the Japanese ), & Hartmann for examples. If you read the 50's edition of the 1st & the Last about Galland, it reads , Quote; no one actually believes Galland shot down 104 allied airplanes....................And maybe 1% of the effort goes into expanding Aces scores. Stanford Tuck's score was raised form 29 to 30 when a plane was found decades after the war corresponding to his logbook. RAF pilot Lance Wade had 40 kills in his logbook, but only 25 credited. Some have tried to give Pattle more credit, but beyond him, you'll have to look long & hard for any other similar efforts.
The Kubelwagen the Italians painted for him with ‘Otto’ was presented to him for getting an actual 8 victories in one day not part of a bigger victory count of the 1st of September. That particular Kubelwagen was left behind in the western desert after JG27 left the theatre shortly after Marseille’s death and the photo you have posted in the video is from when JG3 pilots were in North Africa after JG27 had been withdrawn due to the losses of the three best aces, and subsequent low morale. You have taken all the information off Wikipedia and included it on the video without checking any other sources.
I HIGHLY recommend the new book series by Christopher Shores on the Air War in the Med; the books are HUGE and impeccably documented in the classic Shores style; they're pricey but HJM is only in the first two books==the rest continue the war in the med to the fall of Tunisia and onward past the invasion of Sicily, Southern Italy and the Anzio break out. The NEXT volume will follow to the fall of Rome to the Surrender in Italy.
@@antartis73 Me, too! Waiting on volume 5. But the 'original' Fighters Over The Desert' was written in 1969 before the release of a lot of classified intel and other data. I remember reading it, and it was a great book
Historical notes - So first off, I have no access to a desert map in the simulator I use to make these. I used the closest map I could, and the kills actually took place very close to Cairo, which likely did have areas that did have some trees, fields, etc. Also, I definitely slightly mispronounced his name a couple times towards the end. Sorry, I did my best. Obviously, some of the plane models may not be exactly accurate, but I have tried to make it as close as possible to what the records show. Hope you guys enjoy! Please consider supporting me on Patreon - Patreon.com/TJ3Gaming
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Great video
Next, video about Japanese pilot Tetzuo Who score 100 kill. Please...
Any discrepancies in terrain, plane models, etc. is more than made up by the overall content
and dramatization. Excellent job!
The limitations of the maps and the skins of the planes I can honestly accept and understand you have limited control over, why not use IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 which has tons of skins and terrains, and although it’s dated it’s still good looking?
Hans Jochen Marseille is one of the Luftwaffe aces featured in the book "Horrido!" He had 158 victories to his name when he was killed in that 30Sep1942 tragic accident. And he was also one of the recipients of the "Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds," of which only 27 were awarded in the entire Wehrmacht during all of World War 2. Even the highest scoring fighter ace in history, Erich Hartmann (352 kills), paid tribute to Marseille when he told his soviet captors that "Marseille was seen as the better fighter pilot than himself (Hartmann)" since the Germans considers "1 Western pilot equivalent to 3 soviet pilots." That statement earned Hartmann more beatings & a longer time in solitary confinement. Hartmann was released by the soviets in 1955, ten years after he surrendered with JG-52.
Was he the guy that died while bailing?
@@fritzvongerbel8999 Yes; his plane malfunctioned and oily smoke filled the cockpit & blinded him. It also kind of disoriented him because his plane was not in a favorable position when he was preparing to bail out and he hit part of the aircraft when he jumped. When they found his body, the ring that was supposed to release his chute was still intact and there were no signs of any attempt by the pilot of opening it. Most historians concluded that Marseille was probably killed or knocked out when he hit his plane and maybe unconscious or already dead when he fell to earth. Pls. try to find the "Horrido" book on German aces of WW2; it's really worth the time to read the book.
If Marseille had survived the war, it's likely HE would be the all-time ace-of-aces rather than Hartmann.
@@samsignorelli That's what I believe too. He would be a bane & a curse to the Allied air forces.
@@seppeisenmann8710 It DOES make you think how he would've fared in Europe if he could behave himself. A lot of it has to do with WHERE skilled pilots fly. Hartmann got most of his kills on the Eastern Front and Marseille in North Africa.
Rainer Pöttgen, Marseille’s wingman, was called oft the “flying number machine” the idea being that all he did was count Marseilles kills.
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Yeah Fairy tales like the 30 million Communists kill..d en WW2 lol
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@@АндрейШмырев-ж3з LOL, as opposed to the rediculous Soviet claims.
In the book "Horrido!" his shooting accuracy is described best by his armorers reports. On average he fired 3 cannon shells and 15 machinegun bullets per kill. Phenomenal accuracy by any standard.
No. Phenomenal lying.
@@raypurchase801 they could litteraly count how many rounds was left in his magazines, and take an average by how many planes he downed. So kinda hard to lie about
@@pontuxdanex Killing multiple weaving fighters with three shells and 15 bullets is unlikely.
Given the rate of fire from MULTIPLE machine guns, that means depressing the trigger button for about one quarter of a second per kill.
Reminds me of the kamikaze pilot who completed 20 successful missions.
@@raypurchase801 René Fonck, the Allies' most successful fighter pilot of WW1, was famous for his 3-10 rounds kills. True that it was not the same time, not the same planes nor the same weapons...
@@FrenchCrow Lying was commonplace among Luftwaffe aces. Kurt Welter claimed 27 Mosquitos. Postwar historians compared Welter's claims with actual losses. Only three Mosquitos were lost on the days and nights when Welter claimed victories. Perhaps those three kills were achieved by a different pilot or flak. German propaganda needed heroic supermen.
Read the book by Colin Heaton, the amazing part is that every kill was carefully recorded. The only discrepancy found was that a few planes he logged as shot down crash landed instead. His shooting skill were so phenomenal that he would at times switch targets before all his rounds had hit the other plane. He managed deflection shots in all attitudes
That is technically shot down.
@@blitzy3244 And dont forget,the Allies didnt count those planes returned,but damaged beyond repair,as loss,hovewer they were losses also,while the Gefmans did.
What made Marseille amazing was the way he devised to demolish British circling defensive formations. He was witnessed diving in and out of those large formations at high speed like a Barracuda in the middle of drove a sardine shooting down enemy planes with accuracy each time he either plunged from above or recalled the plane upward from below at full deflection making for pilots that should have covered their squadron mate impossible to follow.
Marseille must have been a wonderous shooter as deflection shooting was actively discouraged during training of pilots as being too difficult for such high speed planes, and he was also often found to have shot just a handful of rounds while coming back with multiple victories in the same sortie.
Marseille was also able to fly with flaps deployed inside the circling Hurricanes, an advanced skill and risk that took a lot of guts.
@@bobsakamanos4469 Knife-edge balancing while using the initiative. Humans present the most incredibly skilled individuals in the course of a wide range of events don't they? Politicians of any stripe do not make the grade, obviously.
Marseille was the most gifted pilot of the world . His aiming was the best by far from any side of the conflict . He could beat the score from Hartmann but his destiny was not to be . RIP
Hartmann served only 5 months longer than Marseille, since he didn't join the war before late 1942. So Marseille would have to shoot down another 194 planes in 5 month only to become equal with Hartmann.
@@thkempe check the records please
Even Hartmann said that Marseille was the better fighter pilot with better gunnery skills. Hartmann basically stuck with the peck and zoom doctrine, often using neg g's when caught in a turning fight to escape. Rough on the eyeballs.
@bobsakamanos4469 Right sir
Great historical recreation! One of Marseille's tricks to shoot a plane out of a defensive "Lufbury" circle was to dive directly below it, pull up abruptly and pass between two planes in the circle but he flashed by so fast, coming up from a blind spot that he was gone before the plane behind him got a chance to shoot, and as he flashed through the Lufbury he gave one well-timed squirt and the plane ahead went down!
i So, sort of the opposite of the "Hun in the sun?" Attacking from below? But wouldn't he have lost energy/speed?
@@adamwsaxe Start from above, "Hun in the sun", but instead of diving straight into the Lufbery, where attacking any plane will expose you to fire from the plane behind (the whole point of the Lufbery) you zoom below it, then zoom back up again with the momentum of your dive, but inserting yourself from below, where nobody can see you. I'm not making this up! I read about it somewhere. It was a brilliant tactic! Marseille invented it! It led to much of his success.
I also have read about this tactic*. It needed exceptional flying ability on Marseille's part but he had that in spades. Those poor pilots! They formed the circle for defensive purposes but did not count on being attacked by Marseille. On 6 June 1942 in 11 minutes, using this method Marseille shot down 6 Tomahawk aircraft from no 5 Squadron of the USA AF.
*See pages 120-123 "Die Jaegerasse der deutschen Luftwaffe 1939-1945", Mike Spick, Bernard & Graefe Verlag
@@slehar yes, energy tactics, but the germans had already been using that for some time, BoB in particular. Famous Aussie ace Clive Caldwell had been doing the same thing in Tomahawks and Kittyhawks. Maseille actually used flaps for his manouvering around those Hurricanes in their defensive circles.
A true Officer and a Gentleman. An outstanding fighter pilot the likes of which will never again be seen. A hero worth remembering.
And a rogue ladies man
A Gentleman? A Hero? I agree that he was an amazing fighter pilot but the man fought passionately for one of the most evil and tyrannical regimes in history. He was on the frontline invading other countries. The “heroes” were the allied pilots he shot down and killed. The ones who gave their lives to stop Nazi Germany. The real German heroes were the ones that fled the country when the propaganda became extreme and fought for the allies. This guys was just an amazing fighter pilot
@@jimc7022 no one cares about your oppion bud. He fought for his country, and died for his country. He was a hero, and if you dont think he is, then stop sitting here complaining about it
@@jimc7022 Keep believing Allied propaganda. The world isn't as black and white as you make it, Allied = good, Germany = bad. It's a grey world.
@@jimc7022 Oh please, spare us with the self-righteous BS. If you were his age in Germany at that time you'd be fighting for them just the same. People don't fight for politicians and ideologies on the whole, they fight for their comrades and their loved ones back home and you'd be no different, because like most people who fight in wars you'd think your side were the good guys. If you think you're immune to propaganda, I've got a bridge to sell you.
So, the ladies were such a distraction that the Luftwaffe sent him to North Africa? Ironically enough, one of my crew members when I was an armorer at a USAF fighter base in Germany in the early 1960s had the same problem. We were regularly sent to Wheelus AFB in Libya for a month at a time in support of the fighter gunnery and bombing training operations there. On one trip, this guy got to missing female companionship so much that he determined to go into Tripoli one night and find some action. I tried to discourage him, as I knew of no safe way he could accomplish his task in a city so lacking in opportunity. He went anyway, and came back the next morning claiming mission accomplished. Turns out that the presence of the former Italian occupiers of Libya had not disappeared completely--he had found an Italian-run cat house equipped with at least one willing Italian girl. The boy had determination, I tell you.
I imagine that if he tried to 'get fresh' with a Local Woman, he'd end up with his wang whacked off.
Qadaffi Duck hated the Italians and eventually kicked them all out of Libya.
@@rimshot2270 Hell he kicked the Allies out of Wheelus too, so there's symmetry. BUT...I think he did leave the Allied and Axis War Cemeteries 'as is'.
Italian girlie was too from WW2 era, I assume
He sounds like a good role model
As an amateur historian who loves aviation stories I am shocked this is the first time I' heard about this phenominal pilot. Thanks for the video.
That‘s because he served the wrong side…
Check Erich Hartmann and Walter Nowotny as well
Most Brits and Commonwealth folks have always known about Marseille. Traditionally, American media had ignored the N. African campaign because of the losses they sustained there.
@@castrogonzalez614there were two sides and both were wrong.
My grandfather was enlisted out of Shilo Manitoba and was sent over to Africa with British forces in Tunisia. There he was a Sgt and in command of triple A air defense time, protecting a British Air base. He has a photo of him standing beside Marseille's downed airplane, as it had the golden 100th victory logo on the tail of the plane. They were all away of the Star of Africa!
So it's pretty cool to actually learn of this pilot in this video, having heard about him long ago when I was just a kid.
For anyone who finds this pilot and the European air war of WW2 interesting, I cannot recommend enough the book 'A Higher Call', which goes over the experiences of Franz Stigler and Charlie Brown in detail, and a number of other notable figures they cross paths with. Stigler's memories of Marseille are fascinating and offer some insight into his state of mind and the absurdity of war. Stigler survived the war, and the descriptions of flying the 262 in unbelievably appalling conditions (of course well after any sane nation should have surrendered) are spellbinding. There are interviews with both Stigler and Brown (and other surviving airmen from Ye Olde Pub) available on UA-cam for viewing.
Thank you :)
I read the book a few years ago. A fantastic read! The conditions these Luftwafe pilots endured in North Africa were brutal. They slept at night in foxholes in the open because it was too dangerous to sleep in a building because their bases were routinely attacked by the British and Americans. The food was hardly fit to eat. They lived a surreal life from one day to the next, going up flying several missions each day, knowing that the odds were against them finishing the each day and each week alive. Stigler was a true hero for Germany. To protect their own careers top Nazi officials often accused the Luftwafe fighter pilots of cowardice and blamed them for the war going against Germany. After the war many German civilians bought into this story and blamed the Luftwafe fighter pilots for not doing their job which led the destruction of Germany through massive allied bombings. These warriors went up time after time until they were killed or too crippled to fly again. Stigler found there was no way to communicate to German civilians the level of sacrifice these pilots gave. The months immediately after teh war ended were very harsh times for Germany. The level of sacrifice and heroism by Luftwafe fighter pilots far exceeded anything the British or American fighter pilots did. Through most of the war they were outnumbered and always short on fuel, ammunition, parts and support. Yes, they fought on bravely for months and years after a time when Germany should have surrendered.
Stigler was selected by Adolf Galland to fly the Me 262 jet fighter in an elite squadron of top surviving fighter pilots late in the war.
Very well done. I actually have one of his WW 2 Medals. Hans Joachim Marseille was a great Fighter Pilot and will be remembered as such. Sadly, he died at age 22. Much too young for anyone.
You have one of Marseille’s medals?
These stories make me so sad. It does not matter what side they fought on. The tragedy of this waste of life is deeply moving. Humanity learns nothing & will follow the directives of the selfish and powerful to perpetuate any degree of evil. We are very close to doing it all over again with even more horror.
"Humanity learns nothing & will follow the directives of the selfish and powerful to perpetuate any degree of evil."
too often too true, yes.
And those planes make it even easier. I mean, a reckless and talented party beast, 20-ish kid has the chance to fly a top plane of his era, and to become a super star. He would have followed 2 hitlers or more for those hours in the Bf-109. Sad, indeed.
I second that
@@istvansipos9940 ironically Marseilles relationship with the Nazi party is a hot debate point.
@@madhukarjonathanminj2772 luckily, it is also irrelevant here. Whatever that relationship was, he was a brilliant pilot.
@@istvansipos9940 he indeed was.
He was also known for his chivalry and honor, even helping direct Allied rescuers to pilots he had downed. Very sad to die the way he did.
Dude even scored a kill while gliding with a dead engine, marvelous pilot...
.....I heard that one day when he couldn't fly Because he had to go to Berlin to see Hitler and collect his knights, knights golden cross, with platinum crossed diamonds,ruby encrusted swastikas and extra shiny swords, his flying suit, boots and helmet took off and shot down 25 RAF Wellington's, 40 B 17's, 83 Spits, 9 Mosquitos, 300 P40 kittyhawks and a top secret prototype Canberra!, During lunch time, that's how great he was !!!! 🐂💩 ! 🤦
The last fight short before his death against a british pilot - whom he highly respected as an ‚ace’ after his victory - in a Spitfire ( sth different from P 40s and Hurricanes, sorry) showed (him) how exhausted he was. Tragically, he then died in an accident. The very early versions of Bf 109 G 2 had this terrible problems with the engine. Marseille represented the best traditions of German military in WWII. A knight of the sky, no fanaticism, no brutality, no racism. A fascinating personality.
Awesome Channel, Great Content! Danke
Marseille was known for 2 skills. Incredible pilot skills, he could do "impossible" stuff with the 109.
He was a master of deflection shooting. He would slow down his plane, aim carefully and shoot like a sniper. This was described by other pilot as "impossible shots". Very long distance, the enemy pilot not even knowing he was in danger. The hits always making the same pattern, first hits in the engine, backwards, ending in the cockpit.
The master, Erich Hartmann, described this skills as incredible, he had nothing like it himself. He had to fly very close and shoot at point blank, if he wanted to hit anything. Thus often taking debris damage from the defeated enemy plane.
OMG I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!! THANK YOU!!!
Thank-you for telling the story of this great Luftwafe warrior.
Definitely the most interesting and fun way to learn about history.
Hans was a real gentleman as well, proving not all Germans were Nazi's. He was known for flying to british/allied bases and dropping notes apologizing for dishonorable conduct during engagements and contact between german and allied pilots. A true "Ace", its incredibly unfair the way he died.
If only he could have kept flying an F model 109. The DB 605 was well known for mechanical issues. The F model used a DB 601.
All Germans were national socialists. They all fought for it as they believed in the ideology.
What to think about this Luftwaffe Ace...died as a consequence of engine failure?...too bad and sad, for an exceptional pilot and soldier...The Africa Star...Hans Joachim Marseille...unique pilot...
When Marseille reported his victories to his headquarters, a general happened to be present (I think it may have been Kesselring, but perhaps someone can confirm). At any rate, he reported that his squadron achieved 17 victories that day and the general then asked how many of those 17 he had shot down? 17, he replied, to which the general simply shook his hand without saying another word.
I think you are right with it being kesselring.. in the German aces series Marseille is brought up multiple times.. some of the stories of his antics are hilarious
Careful comparisons between Marseille's claimed victories and recorded losses demonstrate that many of his kills never happened.
that would've been legendary to witness someone put that in a movie scene
@@raypurchase801 Same for British and American claims.
@@ALA-uv7jq Every fighter pilot overclaimed, but some more than others. Detailed RAF and Luftwaffe records from the Battle of Britain still survive. They've been closely-examined by historians and nerds. The Luftwaffe overclaimed by a factor of three, the RAF by about 50%.
The funniest overclaiming was by USAAF gunners on B17s.
Something from world war two I found mind blowing. Was when I understood how my veteran father and his seven infantry man crew worked with one tank through a city. "It started in the cities of Italy," he said. The tank would park and he and six others. His sergeant who carrier a Sten gun, two explosives engineers, four riflemen, one Bren gunner would approach the row of buildings. They would never go up the street or outside the buildings at all when they could help it. Instead they would blow their way through the walls all the way to the far end of the block. They called it mouse holing, one of the explosive engineers had a doctors stethoscope and would listen to make sure the room they were about to enter was empty. Then they would blow a small hole and pass through. Sometimes on the first floor, sometimes on another floor. It just depended on the block of buildings. They would do this all the way to the far end of the block. Where they would then pause to spot for the enemy. Once the sergeant spotted a 88 howitzer, being pulled by horses and setting up to hit their tank posted at the far end of the block. He instructed my daddy to run back to the tank and tell it where to shoot the howitzer. My dad was the smallest man on the crew but the fastest runner and he never forgot where the mouse holes all were. He ran all the way back to the tank. Through all of the mouse holed buildings and by the time he pointed out the howitzer's position, that big 88 howitzer gun had taken two shots that missed their tank both times, hitting a railroad track immediately behind them. He pointed at the 88's position, the tank fired and nailed it. Everything went flying, he said. The men, the horses and the gun all vanished in smoke. I asked him what kind of a tank was it that he followed. I don't know, he said. But it had a twenty one painted on a box that was mounted to the back of the turret and a little white Canada on the rear corner. The other guys carried their web gear and all their stuff with them but I never did. Everything I had was in that box, all I carried was my rifle, ammo and two grenades' he said. I enjoyed your video of the fighter pilots and thought you might want to check something like this infantry and tank working together story.
Awesome. Thanks man. I would also love to see some documentaries on, maybe, Warthog Pilots, why not? Thanks again & please keep these little documentaries coming, they're really great.
" Mar-Say " 😁 Great video none the less. Thanks buddy.😉
17 victories in a day wowww almost as good as Emil Langs record of 18 in a day.
Hay I want to learn about Emil Lang can you give me an article
But also remember it should not be from a russian website
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What an amazing Ace. May his blessed Soul RIP. So young. Salute and Respect
There was a Fifties German movie about Marseille "The Star of Africa" about his rocky start and eventual success as a fighter pilot.
Some of the Spanish 109s in 'The Star of Africa' later appear in the film 'The Battle of Britain', after being updated from Hispano engines to Merlins.
ua-cam.com/video/Xla65MpchbA/v-deo.html The Star of Africa, 1957 movie.
Great, fantastic and immortal Hans-Joachim Marseille!!! Respect forever!!! 👍👍👍
Hans-Joachim Marseille was definately in the top ten of the greatest fighter pilots ever ( 157 aerial victories ) imho
So essentially after shooting down all those enemy fighters and living to fight on....he was killed by his CO forcing his best pilot to fly an unreliable piece of crap plane known to have a serious mechanical problem.
That's government for ya!
F*ucking stupid administration
The most anticlimax end for a legend
@@Ryan-wu1oi especially Hitler's government.
The irony of the recreation is that all shown kills are more or less from behind. Marseilles did not bother with this; he was able to engage from all angles with deadly accuracy.
Jochen Marseille was arguably the best fighter pilot in history. While several Luftwaffe pilots on the eastern front shot down more enemy aircraft than Marseille, all but one of his 158 victories were against British/ Commonwealth fighters, not against poorly flown Soviet aircraft of all types.
Excellent video.!!
I am well versed in Marseille's exploits and this video does His memory credit!.
Thank you. Sometimes it feels impossible to try and do them justice with my simple videos, so I appreciate comments like this
I'd like someone to recreate the actual tactics Marseille used. There are some descriptions out there, but I haven't seen it done
I too have often wondered this and I'm usually not able to get much, but he's what I have gathered. Firstly, he was a very good and aggressive pilot, but a lot of his success was due to his almost godlike deflection shooting ie. he put the bullets to where he thought his enemy was going to be rather than spray n' pray, so he'd knock out engines with just one or two squeezes of the trigger. Enemy pilots can't fight back with no engine. sometimes using less than 20 shells and bullets per kill. I'm sorry thats probably not enough but thats all I've read.
He fly like every war thunder player with 5,000+ hrs with insane one burst accuracy.
Deflection shooting, energy tactics, tight turns using flaps. Of course one needs superior SA to fly solo into a crowd of RAF fighters.
プレイボーイ、ヒトラーの眼前で平気で敵国音楽のジャズを奏でる。
偏差射撃の天才。
空を飛ぶ事は何よりも美しい。
勇敢に闘い散っていった全ての兵士に哀悼の意を捧げる。
Would love to see a video about Erich hartmanns first and last kill of WW2
I respect Hartmann, but 344 of his victories were against the Soviet aces and 8 against the British and Americans. All of Marseille's 158 victories were against the best British and American aircraft at the time. No other pilot has shot down so many British and American planes. This makes him the best ace. And it must be borne in mind that he died very early. In 1942. Otherwise, this figure would be much higher.
Once again TJ, Spinal vid!! Keep it up!!
He's among the best Luftwaffe pilot with Werner Mölders, Heinz Bär, Günther Rall, Adolph Galland, Erich Hartmann, Hans-Ulrich Rudel, Gerhard Barkhorn, Otto Kittel, Erich Rudorffer, Hermann Graf, Theodor Weissenberger, Wilhelm Batz, Walter Nowotny, Walter Krupinski, Hans Hahn, Dietrich Hrabak...etc.
Right on! Wonder what happen if those pilots get hold of p-51 or p-47…
All fascists, were killing Russian, Americans, British, Jews, millions all over the world, not heroes
@@jacobbelenky7585 German pilots are NOT fascist, just did their duty in air fighting without knowing what Hitler’s group did until 1945 or after end of war…
@@artherr2843 Not actually true. Gordon Gollob was a Nazi. Galland was close friends with Speer - one of the reasons he was not invited into he Bundesluftwaffe because his closeness to Hitler and Göring. Hans-Ulrich Rudel assisted in the escape of Josef Mengele, the child murderer. Günther Rall, in his memoirs, said virtually every Luftwaffe aviator knew what a concentration camp was.
@@DannyBoy777777 which history book did you read about pilots or luftwaffe?
Great presentation. Well done.
With all his crashes, he was very lucky to still be alive but his luck finally ran out.
I believe he was the master of "deflection" firing.
The Allied Airforce would have their revenge on the Luftwaffe in North Africa during the Tunisian campaign.
You forgot his main achievement, the break of the Lufbery Circle: he dived at high speed into the middle of these defensive formations from either above or below, executing a tight turn and firing a two-second deflection shot to destroy an enemy aircraft.
8 or 9 and 3 or 4 badly damaged planes? Are you kidding me!! That alone is a feat of great dog fight skill.
A Luftwaffe pilot who didn't cut his teeth in Spain , yet none the less became a legend , by virtue of the number of kills he racked up mainly in Africa
Triple Ace in a day. Whoa!
Marseille's greatest strengths were his deflection shooting and his ability to manipulate his flaps, stabilizers, and air brakes in such a way that allowed his aircraft to have the same turning radius as a Spitfire. This technique was known to all Luftwaffe pilots but it was a risky business, not many German pilots were willing to take the chance. His deflection shooting was unmatched - he returned from one mission in which he claimed one kill. He told the assorted personnel who gathered around that he only used seven rounds in this kill. No-one believed him until his mechanic/armorer actually opened the engine cover and counted the expended rounds . . . only seven cartridges had been used. Cheers!
As a WW2 aviation buff and also being born in Germany I am very aware of this Expertan’s accomplishments..thanks for the video…..
Was that yellow 14 on his plane used only by him or other in his squadron also used the 14?
@@anameyoucantremember As far as I know the number on the side of the aircraft was unique to the pilot that flew it
@@zeusmaster6379 Thanks mate!
He was supposedly the best deflection shooter in the Luftwaffe, and he didn't waste his ammo.
Absolutely this guy was a great fighter pilot, the numbers tell the story, in part, and in more ways than we think at first glance. Look how many times he himself was shot down, if he was the best of the best, why was he shot down so many times? It’s because there is so much luck involved here. Most attacks are surprise attacks from behind and even the best pilot and his wing man can’t catch everything.
A big deal is made about these huge kill counts racked up by German pilots, as if they really were the master race, but this is not the case. Consider what really was going on here.
German pilots fought until they were killed in action. We killed most of their aces, and that is great because I hate those bastards, I hate all Nazis.
Secondly, and very importantly, they started the war with a very experienced combat fighter pilot force. This gave them a huge advantage and they wrapped up huge kill counts against inexperienced allied pilots. By the end of the war this scenario was completely reversed, Ha ha ha. Most of our fighter pilot aces survived the war, most of theirs did not, this is a fact, a 90% mortality rate amongst Nazi bastard pilots
And then there is the eastern front where it was a turkey shoot against a clearly inferior Russian air force. Even so, by mass of numbers, the Russians defeated the Nazis shitheads on the eastern front, and they found the German hero dead by his own hand in Berlin, the Russians took Berlin from the master race.
Too many of you out there are worshiping these German bastard aviators as if they were some kind of war gods, invincible, and all that, but as we see here in this video, and in the history, Marseille was shot down several times, and when his plane malfunctioned, he wasn’t so smart as to get out quick, was he? Didn’t he make mistakes here, as he made many times in combat?
Grow up children and stop worshiping Nazi bastards, we kicked the shit out of them in 2 world wars, and it’s not likely they’re coming back for a third round, and we can all be thankful of that. I hate them, can’t you tell, A hatred richly deserved. I wish we would’ve killed every goddamn one of them, including the one you guys worship the most, Hartman, Eastern front turkey shoot Hartman.
Not supposedly,he WAS the best deflection shooter of all fighter pilots probably ever. With Werner Voss most likely a distant second
@@steveperreira5850 His capabilities as a pilot and deflection shooter has nothing to do with politics. Maybe it did back then although many pilots fought because they could, flying fighter planes was unimaginable prestige.
@@steveperreira5850 You sound like a giant, whining baby. What people are impressed with is flying skill, regardless of affiliation. Great job typing a ton of facts that are easily accessible. Something tells me you’re missing some major validation in your life and you choose to come on these types of videos and troll. Go back to your mom’s basement and cry about something else!
@@steveperreira5850 oh my goodness aren't you a virtuous little princess
a really good video and packed with Info.
I have read quite a bit about this gentleman, I think you did his story superbly well. You have produced a truly enjoyable piece of history. Cheers and thank you.
So many inaccuracies in this video that it beggars belief, I was really hoping he would do his homework on this one as he is my favourite from when I was a 14 year old boy, I’m 48 and I’m still fascinated by him.
@@antartis73 Unfortunately there is a lot of inconsistencies about Marseille's life and accomplishments written in books and the only one who can set them straight did not survive the war. I am sure Marseille would have loved all that inconsistency reported about him, just waiting for the best time to set everyone straight. I believe the video captures his spirit brilliantly, someone who was easily one of the best at what he did and lived life to the fullest while serving his country, enjoying the fame and wanting to be the best, albeit in his own way.
@@benwelch4076 I think I when making a historic video one should try to stick to the truth as much as possible. So much history has been altered for the benefit of cheap amusement. The spirit is there you’re right however for someone who loves Marseille like I do and knows a greet deal about him this video didn’t do it for me. It just felt like a cheap cheat. Wikipedia and visuals for those that want a light sprinkling on the subject and likes for the channel for the producer.
@@antartis73 I can appreciate that, I am by no means an expert on Marseilles, only from the bits I have read about him. A man of amazing talent to get those numbers and not on the Russian front either, I would be interested in any books you would recommend about him and thank you for this conversation, it has been enjoyable.
awesome tk u
Reminds me of our George Beurling, a troublesome solo Spit pilot who p/o'd his commanders so often for repeatedly stunting at zero feet in trainers that he was also sent to North Africa where he became known as the "The Falcon of Malta" and the "Knight of Malta", having been credited with shooting down 27 Axis aircraft in just 14 days. R.C.A.F. and RAF
Beurling was probably the nearest Allied ace comparable to Marseille.
Honour and respect to all brave pilots and airmen without regards the markings on their wings!
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Beurling shot down _everything_ that wasn't a friendly. That's a problem?
Edit: You don't know anything about Canadians when they go to war, do you?
Beurling didn't drink, nor socialize with officers. He took umbrage at their treatment of him as an NCO, which was the real problem. He did however spend much time with the NCO pilots and the erks, helping to work on aircraft. Laddie Lucas was an excellent CO that understood Beuring and coaxed the best out of him. The true Beurling story was told many times by his good friend/sqn mate Bob Middlemiss, who was guest of honour at many mess dinners.
Marseille was a gifted deflection shooter. On the day he scored 17 kills, he showed how he had perfected deflection shooting. He and his wingman spotted an Allied formation. The typical British defensive tactic of flying a Lufbery circle. The tactic was to fly in a slowly descending circle making it very difficult for enemy pilots to shoot the Allied pilots. Each pilot in the circle would defend the plane in front of him. What Marseille would do is fly above the circle, then dive down and pull-up into the circle, fire a quick burst at his target and roll out of the formation before the trailing pilot could react. Examination of the ground crashes showed that the bullets would start in the engine and trail back to the cockpit.
Great content again!!
There is a written account signed by his ground crew, that during one sortie during which he destroyed three Hurricanes, his aircraft had only expended eleven 20mm cannon rounds and less than thirty machine gun. The man was absolutely a sniper. Best aerial shooter of the war. He would constantly snap shot a few rounds directly into his opponents engine, scoring kills from angles and distances thought impossible.
I recomend you guys read book about him, very great to know more about Marseille
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Thank you for doing this
Respect
loved it brotha
Awesome vídeo 👍🏻👍🏻
Yayyyyy another video from the Gaming Mark Felton of YT =) I love this =)
A dashing, handsome young man who liked his drink & women, but not nazis. Not only a great ace ("Star Over Africa,") he was also one of the most wrote up by superiors (lol).
Deflection shooting perfection!!!
The original Maverick and a Mad Mad indeed!
Thanks again.
Incorrect that the Group I/JG27 was named after Marseille, the third staffel of the first Gruppe(Group) was renamed ‘Marseille’ staffel and later on in post war Western Germany a whole barracks was named ‘Marseille Kasserne’
The barracks was renamed this year - now it is called "Jürgen-Schumann-Kaserne".
There is no longer any official memory of H.-J. Marseille in Germany.
Maybe you could do a video about Robert S Johnson and the way he got shot up in his P-47C by two Fw-190‘s and still made it home
Those massive turbo systems were quite vulnerable.
Super!!
Excellent video
Best fighter pilots of ww2, same as Red Baron was ww1
love your use of warthunder
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@@telkicelstascal8875 Thats no war thunder read the discription it is a different game
Nice Video! What tracks are you playing in the background? Got it, magnificent march.
Nice film dude.
There's a museum called the fagen fighters museum that has a bf 109 with the number 14 and a sign with information about hans Joachim Marseille
When you start discribing Marseille's cockpit drama in such intricate and vivid detail, my eyebrows raise and think, wtf. While it may make for entertaining story telling, it leaves the listener in doubt as to what else is fabricated in the events. Now I need to consult another source.
I think there was more drama included in this video than what was said about what happened in the cockpit. The Allies didn’t put so many completely incompetent pilots in the air for this pilot’s aerial target practice on such a prolific continual basis, there is no way I’ll ever believe that the 17 kills in one day, and 8 kills in so few a number of minutes is accurate, NEVER
@@jjayyoung7335 Bully Lang shot down 18 in a day.
Full day light time in the clear sky of Africa ?, It's plausible
@@jjayyoung7335 I advise You to read Neville Dukes (memories) especially the chapter about his encounter with Marseille. After that You will never doubt the Numbers of „Luftsiege“ again. Every single Luftsieg had to be witnessed by another German pilot or soldier. Otherwise it would not officially recognized as a Luftsieg.And if You still cannot believe it, check the number of losses by allied sources. They were always higher then the claimed victories by the Germans. Hans Joachim Marseille learned it the hard way. During the Battle of Britain he lost I think 5 of his planes minimum but were always able to fly them at least to the French beaches, where he crashedlanded them. It took him almost 2 years to master his skills, but after that time nobody of his contemporary allied pilot were able to beat him. He was simply the best fighter pilot of WW II.
@@stefanschachler831 Correct. Most aces were shot down multiple times. The fact that Marseille lost 5 planes in the BoB is significant in that they were only damaged allowing him to recross the channel. By contrast Ginger Lacey was shot down 9 times.
I'd love to know what was the reaction of the general who forced him into new 109.
You should do one on the Finnish ace Ilmari Juutilainen - for my money the greatest fighter pilot ever. 94+ kills (highest scoring non-German - many in Brewster Buffalos), never took a bullet from an enemy plane and never lost a wingman.
Mmm their one sniper also halted a Russian brigade... Tally 500 plus kills?
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Brilliant! Il-2? Nicely done.
Mega thanks that was hugely interesting 🤔👍
Brilliant 👏
JG27 had a lot of great pilots Franz Stigler Johan stienhoft . Might be spelled incorrect but you get the picture. And of course Hans . What a shame he was only 22.
Stahlschmidt and many more.
Hauptmann Emil ‘Bully’Lang just for the record claimed 18 victories in a single day on the eastern front on 3 November 1943 so Marseille’s record even though superb was surpassed in Luftwaffe folklore since you used Wikipedia word for word - it is mentioned in there somewhere if you bothered to read that part. Marseille’s tombstone that you use in your video is actually the family Cenotaph in Berlin Charlottenburg not where he was interned, his remains were initially interned in the German cemetery in Derna Lynda, then at the memorial gardens in Tobruk.
I heard the engine in that plane use something like a bushing inside a bushing instead of bearings.
While Marseille’s feat was outstanding, he does not hold the record for most aircraft shot down in one day. Beating it by 1, Emil Lang shot down 18 Russian aircraft in one day.
It hurts saying that, being that Marseille is my favorite aviator in history.
18 Russian is very different to 17 western powers (USAAF & RAF) etc
Very well-done video! 👏🏼😎
De no haber sido por su accidente al saltar de su paracaídas por averías en su BF 109 su número de victorias hubiera sido enormes,ha sido uno de los grandes ases de la segunda guerra mundial apodado Estrella de África
The War Thunder graphics are great, making these stories highly addictive.
This is actually a true and genuine story.....
With my many inaccuracies in the narration and content
One other mistake: His staffel was named after him, not gruop. He was staffelfurher of 3./JG 27 in first gruppe.
You didn`t mention his best ability, destroying the Lufbery circles which he made as the only one able to do.
I am a loyal Englishman, I object to the pathetic narrative of this video. This video lacks understanding of this pilots great skill. His ability to judge off bore sight shooting was exceptional. His accuracy and economy was legendary, using fewer bullets than anyone else. He was a swash buckling warrior of the old school type. An incredible pilot. Showing bravery beyond the norm. Saying his kill count was inaccurate is am absolute disgrace.
The sad state of affairs today in aviation is that 99% more effort goes into downgrading Aces scores than does in the direction of expanding scores, Boyington, Billy Bishop, ( all the Japanese ), & Hartmann for examples. If you read the 50's edition of the 1st & the Last about Galland, it reads , Quote; no one actually believes Galland shot down 104 allied airplanes....................And maybe 1% of the effort goes into expanding Aces scores. Stanford Tuck's score was raised form 29 to 30 when a plane was found decades after the war corresponding to his logbook. RAF pilot Lance Wade had 40 kills in his logbook, but only 25 credited. Some have tried to give Pattle more credit, but beyond him, you'll have to look long & hard for any other similar efforts.
The Kubelwagen the Italians painted for him with ‘Otto’ was presented to him for getting an actual 8 victories in one day not part of a bigger victory count of the 1st of September. That particular Kubelwagen was left behind in the western desert after JG27 left the theatre shortly after Marseille’s death and the photo you have posted in the video is from when JG3 pilots were in North Africa after JG27 had been withdrawn due to the losses of the three best aces, and subsequent low morale. You have taken all the information off Wikipedia and included it on the video without checking any other sources.
I HIGHLY recommend the new book series by Christopher Shores on the Air War in the Med; the books are HUGE and impeccably documented in the classic Shores style; they're pricey but HJM is only in the first two books==the rest continue the war in the med to the fall of Tunisia and onward past the invasion of Sicily, Southern Italy and the Anzio break out. The NEXT volume will follow to the fall of Rome to the Surrender in Italy.
@@nickmitsialis they’re not that new I have had my copies years now
@@antartis73 Me, too! Waiting on volume 5. But the 'original' Fighters Over The Desert' was written in 1969 before the release of a lot of classified intel and other data. I remember reading it, and it was a great book
@@nickmitsialis got that one too! They’re superb
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I have One pilot in jg-27 Karl kampe 5 vicktory in JG-27.
Amazing. What animation software was used here?
Another great video.