Appreciate y'all 💕 From a late-realized autistic indigenous woman who has considered sex work and had no where to find information. I also grew up feeling and still feel immense shame about my body I feel very angered about it too but not sure how to help but I do find myself marginalized, disgusted by the public - it brings me into a freeze state and I'm stuck. But I want to help. 😢 I'm grateful for those like youselves who do have a voice . I have many unheard experiences.
Great episode! I've been binging all the episode today! I met Jenna through work last week and they had so many good questions. They are interesting and are doing so much good! Very happy to see they are on this episode :)!
I wish you all could have looked into Julie Bindel's work before recording this podcast. She has often called out that the experience of the white, often educated, experiences of women who choose sex work, and isn't forced or sold into it, as the majority of women globally are, is not representative of the industry as a whole. She has also done numerous interviews with women who escaped from the industry, where all claimed that as long as they were stuck in it, they went along with the narrative of needing more protective laws for sex-workers, but in reality they were desperate for real opportunities to be able to leave that work behind. Despite appreciating what you are trying to do with this podcast in general, I think this topic could have used a lot more research, and should have shown the experiences that are more true to what women in the industry actually have to suffer through when it's very much not their choice at all.
With all due respect and much love. Victims of trafficking are NOT sex workers. They even said trafficking is far more rampant than sex work and that the two should not be conflated. If you are forced or sold into any kind of industry, you are a slave, not a worker. Choice is the key element. They really did address all these issues. Let sex workers tell their own stories ❤
@@Micahangelina_ A critical mass of sex trafficking victims are collected, deceived, or “recruited” within legal sex work environments. They may be a different group of people technically, but they do sometimes over-lap. There’s no removing the nefarious element of that occupation because the vulnerability attracts predators. Yes, it’s *often* a choice. But the reality of the choice often ends ugly. As you already know, there is a wide range of experiences one can have within a single life. In an occupation like this, there are instances of victimization *and* instances of empowerment depending on the people you’re around. I don’t think the latter should negate the former. That’s all the commenter was trying to say.
Such an interesting point on partners being relevant to start sex work or not! Totally agree that sex work is work and checking in with partners might perpetuate concepts of body ownership and exclusivity that are harmful, but I kinda see a point for having a conversation about it. I'd personally like if a partner of mine decided to change their career to be a cop or a career that involves a lot of moving from one country to another as those might be deal breakers for me, for instance. Idk, feel like its better to have that chat and work the issues before hand.
Considering what it means in regards of sexual health the conversation is not just one thing. The option of choosing if you are ready as a partner to agree in being part of that risk in regards of your own health, is not tied to ownership of the partner’s body. They are two different things. Just like people who are cheating who do not have their partner’s consent and might impact their partner’s health without them giving consent to want to be in such a risk. People have a right to know, so they know fully what they wish to consent to and not, when it’s tied to their own health❤ Having a partner doesn’t mean one can make decisions for them and just demand they should go along and have decisions made for them. Open communication and consent is key in a healthy relationship. If a partner isn’t ok with their partner being a sex worker, then a conversation about ending the relatinship and maybe finding a compatible partner instead. If everyone involved feel fine with it then that’s a go too. Realty still stands and people can get sick even if they protect themselves and some people who buy sex are predators and can be abusive and force themselves on sex workers. So there are many risks and not 100 % safe (even if a couple might say they feel ok with it because protection is used). Many aspects to consider, because it is a dangerous work to do even if someone is very careful.
Thank you all for sharing this topic! I have always said sex work is “illegal” because government doesn’t have a clear way to track the exchange of money (for taxes, and purest control) they don’t care about the workers “protection” at all. This is a wonderful podcast topic and I hope these conversations will make society start to question reasons for why certain laws being in place.
I will never have a negative thing to say about someone who is making things go around financially by working as a sex worker, but I can’t get behind people whipping out their money to get access to someone else’s body as if consent lies within a financial exchange. It’s a toxic mindset that I’m not for at all. Some years ago I read an article in Scandinavia about an author who wanted their child to have the ability to have an active sexlife, but due to the child’s disability they didn’t have a social network that could result in finding a person to have sex with. Sure I understand the thought from the parent, that they wanted their adult child to have adult experiences which they (the adult child) themselves expressed an interest in, but to go from acknowledging that expression to debating about it, as if it should be a legal right is where it went sideways for me when I read the article about 10-15 yrs ago. I don’t agree with using someone else’s body as a tool to satisfy someone else’s ”needs”/desires. / Scandinavian It was an interesting conversation, and thanks for sharing!❤
@@soilgrasswaterair I’d recommend checking out ‘disability after dark’ a podcast run but a severely disabled queer person who speaks very openly about sexuality and their engagement in sex work.
i think in germany you do have protective laws. if the customer doesnt wanna use protection you can sue them for example. its illegal not using a condom, and the fault will always lay at the customer. also the money cant be taken back if any service at all is provided this does included sex work from people outside germany if the service takes place in the country btw
Jenna ranting about the capitalist hellscape and advocating for labor rights for sexworkers is such a turn-on. radical liberatory politics are my fetish. ^^
This is too liberal and not lefty enough. Thanks for the effort, it’s good, not great. Like why advocate for shit living, when you as an activist can be asking for more? I don’t understand this, like you say you hate labour? Maybe let’s go further?
Appreciate y'all 💕
From a late-realized autistic indigenous woman who has considered sex work and had no where to find information. I also grew up feeling and still feel immense shame about my body
I feel very angered about it too but not sure how to help but I do find myself marginalized, disgusted by the public - it brings me into a freeze state and I'm stuck. But I want to help. 😢
I'm grateful for those like youselves who do have a voice . I have many unheard experiences.
@@Krista-388 thank you so much for your comment and for sharing. We’re so glad that this episode resonated with you
Great episode! I've been binging all the episode today! I met Jenna through work last week and they had so many good questions. They are interesting and are doing so much good! Very happy to see they are on this episode :)!
It’s really refreshing to see a sex worker’s view being centered here. Keep up the great work ❤
Thank you!! 💕
This interview was so amazing! Lots of powerful info shared ❤ Jenna was amazing!! So knowledgeable
Glad you enjoyed it!
I think I'd have appreciated this more if there was more than one sex worker talking
Really eye opening interview, super fascinating when they started breaking down their experience with the police.
@@kelseysoloway5468 thank you so much for listening 🫶💗 really appreciate the feedback
I wish you all could have looked into Julie Bindel's work before recording this podcast. She has often called out that the experience of the white, often educated, experiences of women who choose sex work, and isn't forced or sold into it, as the majority of women globally are, is not representative of the industry as a whole. She has also done numerous interviews with women who escaped from the industry, where all claimed that as long as they were stuck in it, they went along with the narrative of needing more protective laws for sex-workers, but in reality they were desperate for real opportunities to be able to leave that work behind. Despite appreciating what you are trying to do with this podcast in general, I think this topic could have used a lot more research, and should have shown the experiences that are more true to what women in the industry actually have to suffer through when it's very much not their choice at all.
With all due respect and much love. Victims of trafficking are NOT sex workers. They even said trafficking is far more rampant than sex work and that the two should not be conflated. If you are forced or sold into any kind of industry, you are a slave, not a worker. Choice is the key element. They really did address all these issues. Let sex workers tell their own stories ❤
@@Micahangelina_ A critical mass of sex trafficking victims are collected, deceived, or “recruited” within legal sex work environments. They may be a different group of people technically, but they do sometimes over-lap. There’s no removing the nefarious element of that occupation because the vulnerability attracts predators. Yes, it’s *often* a choice. But the reality of the choice often ends ugly.
As you already know, there is a wide range of experiences one can have within a single life. In an occupation like this, there are instances of victimization *and* instances of empowerment depending on the people you’re around. I don’t think the latter should negate the former. That’s all the commenter was trying to say.
Such an interesting point on partners being relevant to start sex work or not! Totally agree that sex work is work and checking in with partners might perpetuate concepts of body ownership and exclusivity that are harmful, but I kinda see a point for having a conversation about it. I'd personally like if a partner of mine decided to change their career to be a cop or a career that involves a lot of moving from one country to another as those might be deal breakers for me, for instance. Idk, feel like its better to have that chat and work the issues before hand.
Considering what it means in regards of sexual health the conversation is not just one thing. The option of choosing if you are ready as a partner to agree in being part of that risk in regards of your own health, is not tied to ownership of the partner’s body. They are two different things.
Just like people who are cheating who do not have their partner’s consent and might impact their partner’s health without them giving consent to want to be in such a risk.
People have a right to know, so they know fully what they wish to consent to and not, when it’s tied to their own health❤
Having a partner doesn’t mean one can make decisions for them and just demand they should go along and have decisions made for them. Open communication and consent is key in a healthy relationship. If a partner isn’t ok with their partner being a sex worker, then a conversation about ending the relatinship and maybe finding a compatible partner instead.
If everyone involved feel fine with it then that’s a go too.
Realty still stands and people can get sick even if they protect themselves and some people who buy sex are predators and can be abusive and force themselves on sex workers. So there are many risks and not 100 % safe (even if a couple might say they feel ok with it because protection is used). Many aspects to consider, because it is a dangerous work to do even if someone is very careful.
Thank you all for sharing this topic! I have always said sex work is “illegal” because government doesn’t have a clear way to track the exchange of money (for taxes, and purest control) they don’t care about the workers “protection” at all. This is a wonderful podcast topic and I hope these conversations will make society start to question reasons for why certain laws being in place.
So glad this came up in my feed. Can't wait to watch/listen to more interviews.
Thank you for listening ☺️
Such a comprehensive, powerful interview! THANK YOU for covering this crucial topic we must destigmatize toward liberation for all.
@@crystalodelle appreciate this comment! Thank you for listening 🫶💗
Also I'm invisibly disabled and was doing full service before the government let the current pandemic rip.
I will never have a negative thing to say about someone who is making things go around financially by working as a sex worker, but I can’t get behind people whipping out their money to get access to someone else’s body as if consent lies within a financial exchange. It’s a toxic mindset that I’m not for at all. Some years ago I read an article in Scandinavia about an author who wanted their child to have the ability to have an active sexlife, but due to the child’s disability they didn’t have a social network that could result in finding a person to have sex with. Sure I understand the thought from the parent, that they wanted their adult child to have adult experiences which they (the adult child) themselves expressed an interest in, but to go from acknowledging that expression to debating about it, as if it should be a legal right is where it went sideways for me when I read the article about 10-15 yrs ago. I don’t agree with using someone else’s body as a tool to satisfy someone else’s ”needs”/desires. / Scandinavian
It was an interesting conversation, and thanks for sharing!❤
@@soilgrasswaterair I’d recommend checking out ‘disability after dark’ a podcast run but a severely disabled queer person who speaks very openly about sexuality and their engagement in sex work.
Amazing episode ppl!!!😝
Thank you!
i think in germany you do have protective laws. if the customer doesnt wanna use protection you can sue them for example. its illegal not using a condom, and the fault will always lay at the customer. also the money cant be taken back if any service at all is provided
this does included sex work from people outside germany if the service takes place in the country btw
Oh wow so good to know thank you for sharing!
As long as everyone involved is a consenting adult, I'm ok with it.
Oh my good. Talking so fast....
I oh yeah I feel for you! I had to slow down the audio to understand it.
Jenna ranting about the capitalist hellscape and advocating for labor rights for sexworkers is such a turn-on. radical liberatory politics are my fetish. ^^
We love a radical speaker!
@@QueerCollectiveunions and labour rights are not radical concepts!!!
Algorithm food coming your way.
She wants...no laws?
Finally!!! An echo-chamber which confirms my bias.
This is too liberal and not lefty enough. Thanks for the effort, it’s good, not great. Like why advocate for shit living, when you as an activist can be asking for more? I don’t understand this, like you say you hate labour? Maybe let’s go further?
Good lord could this woman talk any faster!?
@@AlexxWoodwick lol, you can use the feature on UA-cam to reduce the speed down. Apologies for that, I know it can be an accessibility issue
It’s really impressive