I love Daniel's pauses where he plans his delivery of an idea and then delivers it smoothly, rather than stumbling over the mismatch between idea and articulation. I'm going to try to emulate that.
At 27 min when you talk about the meltdowns...of Fukushima, of gain of function research and Covid 19, do you, or is it even relevant to consider or wonder if the Covid-19 meltdown was/is intentional?
I was thinking the same: what a beautiful example of civility, proper communication and respect for both the topics, each other as well as the listeners. I listen to them both with a deep desire and passion to match their precision and excellence in both educational discernment and linguistic articulation.
@@KyleParks Been watching Bret for a few years. Hadn't heard of Daniel until the other day, now my Watch Later is filled with his stuff. Don't know how I missed this episode -_-
@@beetlo66 yes! I wish they would have addressed that exact point. To some extent, the whole conversation was skimming around the idea that evolution will do what it does, and that no one can be trusted with such power, while simultaneously trying to figure out a mechanism with which to accomplish it. At some point, I’d love to hear Brett discuss the 17th Amendment to the US Constitution. I believe it is one of the big reasons the US has become so horribly corrupt. It added enormous incentives for atrocious behavior by everyone at the federal level, which is the last place you would want such corruption.
@@beetlo66 And you know this how exactly? If there are no adults capable of rational thought and/or problem solving, where do you draw these absolutist conclusions from? (Please don't say you came up with them through your own reasoning, as we already know you're not a capable adult.)
@@beetlo66 There have been very strong leaders in history. Genghis Khan, and George Washington are good examples. Clearly given those two figures capability, and tyranny are not directly proportional. You are conflating capable, with perfect. And if you remember the bluest car conversation, perfect is only as good as the optimization constraints you are operating under. It's not a question of satisfying everybody's constraints, it's about finding the optimal constraints for human life to operate under. In that if viewed on a large timescale essentially every human wants more or less the same things. Food, shelter, security, equality of opportunity, etc. They touched on this when discussing voting, and education. In that the only way to find the human optimum is to educate the populous.
This dialogue was so good, I actually cried. I was pretty embarrassed as my husband was listening with me but my goodness, not only were the topics so great and interesting, the actual communication dynamics were an art form to behold.
Daniels’s points about first, second and third person epistemology are deeply profound. I feel like this should be written down/formalised if it hasn’t already ...
This conversation is so amazing and touches upon so many different vital topics. The transcript should absolutely be combed over and dissected and revisited by these two in my opinion. On every topic they could both go vastly deeper is my thought. Great guests. Excellent discussion guys. A ++++++
Dude, I’ve been saying to my friends and family that we need to fix the fact that 60% of children-by the fourth grade-can’t read at grade level. And it’s difficult to teach them how to keep up when these algos are competing for the attention of these kids (and their parents’), and the culture-in-never-ending-flux they live in is running economic prosperity to the ground. These same kids will be likely to fail in their educational pursuits, and will become politically disenfranchised, uneducated, and likely uncultivated group. We have the potential to create the infrastructure for the digital natives (the generations of tomorrow-so to speak) so that they can learn how to co exist with technology, and use it as a tool for their development and education, rather than as a means for entertainment, socializing, and consuming. The education system in places like California is not working, and the reason for that is the lack of cultivated citizenry. We have failed to integrate immigrants, and we have exploited them for cheap labor, and the children they bear are beginning at a massive disadvantage with NO social orientation whatsoever, and very little guidance. We need to target those children and create dynamic learning systems so that they can contribute and be part of the fabric. However, to do that, we need an ethos that the social order can imbibe, and these media culture war narratives are fucking this up. We are one humanity. Let’s walk each other home.
Yes the kids are in danger, the algorithms have captured them and education is broken. My daughter tells me classmates hide their phones inside books and TikTok during class time (these are 10-11 year olds). They are being programmed at a developmental stage and their health/happiness is inconsequential. I deeply worry about the youngling's future and the education system is affectively useless at teaching sense making, critical thinking, discernment etc.
@@russv.winkle8764 Yup, agreed 100%. It's literally the biggest reason why I'm in education. Like they agreed in this conversation, it'll take 3 generations minimum to turn this ship around, and I've found it so so so so so much easier to reach children, get them thinking, problem solving and asking the right questions, than it is to spark inquisitiveness and curiosity in adults... Hate to say it but in my ability to reach them, my generation and older seem to be a write-off.
It was like Bret wanted to ask Daniel if he wants to be his friend, so high is his respect and cheering for Daniel and that's a good choice for quality. Daniel s a complexity-thinker of a rare kind holding always many threads of one theme in his hands, trying to hierarchize them and wave an intelligent and accurate textile with it. Saw him first on Rebel Wisdom together with other thinkers, but his depths, reason, humbleness and broad vision was incomparable with the others. No one got close to the independent student of life who would be a shadow of what he is now as an output of academic schooling these days, which has become more an attribute of triviality but of excellence Daniel has gathered by deep looking and deep diving.
@TOC its gotta feel like it for him tho. Imagine being the smartest human, the burden that would be, It's like being left in charge of a daycare that's on fire
This style of conversation links so many ideas, like a 'meta-conversation!' The language these guys use is beautiful, the pace flowing quickly like a river - no um's & ah's - such confident speaking. Thanks, guys - so much to ponder.
The question of governance is, at its core, can we create systemic changes in our institutions of power such that a society of ubiquitous psychopathy could manage to regain its humanity even if there is almost a complete annihilation of social cohesion or intersubjectivity in our relationship with others?
One of the best conversations I have heard on these topics of late. You are both some of my favorite sense makers right now, your content is timely and valuable for these times. Keep up the good work.
Welcome to the future. Cross collaborations. Seeing Daniel and Brett together....swoon. The extreme yin/yang brains interconnecting. Turns out authentic spirituality and authentic science do love each other.
What are you talking about? They both talk and think scientifically. Neither of them come to conclusions based on "spirituality" in any way. Just because someone is spiritually fulfilled, doesn't mean they get their facts from spirituality.
@@xXxTeenSplayer Don't overreact friend. I never said that they are making factual claims from meta sources. It's obvious that they are both incredible sources of logic and scientific facts. From my experience watching Daniel, he has a background in Zen and other modalities that richly contribute to his masculine energy range.
Watching these two communicate is SO thrilling to me, what with how unbelievably intricately they *listen* to one another, and how eloquently they share their thoughts. This is one of those conversations I could pause every 30 seconds to just parse/process what I’m hearing property/as indented, being a normie and all.
I’m about 1:23:00 into this dialogue and am compelled to pause to say THANK YOU for bringing us this conversation. I’m already preparing to watch it again. Time well spent.
@@ChrisRubeo On the contrary. There's actually no word salad at all in this conversation. Please timestamp if you think one of them said something that doesn't mean anything.
@Idea Window "He doesn't even seem to know or reveal it if he does know" - here you're demonstrating to everyone you did not bother to watch this video at all. It's pretty much the first thing Weinstein goes into. Great job.
This is possibly the best podcast I've seen. I will be watching this again at least a few more times in the next couple of weeks. Well done Bret. Hope to see more of Daniel here soon.
Oh my God. My brain is tingling in all the right places. Thank you for this interview with Daniel Schmachtenberger, Prof. Weinstein! This-by far-was the best three hours of my WEEK! 😃
Cynthia, my God!!! It may already be too late, as your comment is from 12 hours ago, but please, get yourself to a hospital immediately! Brain tingling is known to cause all sorts of ill results.
@@scottsherman5262 Great Scott !! You're right...😬 There's no time to lose! There's GOT to be an antidote...! QUICK! Hand me the nearest copy of Robin DiAngelo's "White Fragility!"
@03:32 on high-quality, independent thinking @11:36 on a human operating system cognizant of complexity @21:26 on the continuity of human civilization vs inattention vs complex systems @27:25 on collective coordination vs markets: opportunity & risk biases, + game, mistake & conflict theories @37:29 on blindspots and a society conditioned for dopamine hits for short-term rewards @44:42 on hypernormal stimuli and the asymmetric power of big corp over the individual @52:39 on the problem of the required collective action vs evolved human instincts @59:09 on markets and the breaking down of open society and culture @67:34 on society organized around 'the good life' via the principle of 'emergence' @77:37 on trade-offs vs Hegelian synthesis @97:59 on the role of citizens in governance and organization @106:36 on the next cultural enlightenment and human capacities necessary for birthing it @114:41 on the quest for optimality, and the eternal tao which is not the speakable tao @123:44 on an educated populus and the science of government @137:43 on AI, work-automation and the necessity for a 'system reset' @143:01 on creating change in a sea of psycho-memetic complexes @148:44 on 'reality first' and thinking independently @161:41 on the space between echo chambers and one's own narcissism @176:15 on the bio-socio-techno spheres, and the conservative intuition @185:12 on the power of gods, wisdom, love and human nature
History will look back fondly on both of you, whatever that place we are looking from might look like. The look on Brets face when Daniel is letting rip is absolutely wonderful to see, its a look of love that. Love both of your work gentlemen, this was a wonderful conversation.
Love hearing what Daniel has to say on things. In his writings he recommends the documentaries "Paradise or Oblivion" and "The Choice is Ours". Some of my fave documentaries.
Ok I am late to the party, but I was saving this. Pure gold, please just give in and do a ten hour podcast together, of course with a moderator so you stay on track and give each topic how much time it deserves from your genius brains 🧠
@@guitar0wnz Speaking of awareness, I made 2 videos trying to give u a glimpse of the technical singularity ,AGI ,which began jan 2019. I need the most intelligent people to collectively - peer review ish lol. Thx.
Absolutely profound conversation. A great match of "idea tennis" between two articulate Intellectuals. I will re-listen to this many times to absorb the points. Thanks!!
Two of my favorite fellows, and who knew they were friends! Not enough characters in the comment section to express how grateful I am for this dialogue.
This is like the party I don’t wanna leave but fuck I have work tomorrow and prefer to stay and be miserable tomorrow - the same incentive structure I’m actively agreeing is a problem.
I think I learned more listening to this conversation than in my entire schooling. Thank you for sharing your insights into life the universe and everything.
Yes, I and think this is one of the most challenging conversations I have listened to. I plan to listen to it in its entirety at least two more times and take notes as I do. I'm smart enough to know that I'm nearly smart enough to take in all of what they are saying in one go. My feeling is that this conversation could, perhaps should, be turned into a book.
I have soo enjoyed this discussion. At school I had the concentration of a nat, and here I am listening to a 3 hour high level debate that challenging engaging and enthawling and totally made sense .
I CAN LISTEN TO THESE TWO FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, EACH WORD CARRIES A NEW DIMENTION OF THINKING, THANK YOU GUYS, APPRECHIATED. ( PLEASE MORE OF THIS COLLIDE OF TWO GREAT MINDS, PLEEEEEEEEAAAAS.
Beautiful... I want to have a belonging with integrity/reality first. Its taken me 3 sittings to get through this, and I suspect, it'll drop back into this conversation a bunch more time. Thank you!
Daniel’s two tone beard top/bottom setup is pretty sweet, got a bit of an ewok thing happening, I can dig it. Obviously he has his thing going, despite this, I think he should open a burger joint. Schmachtenberger’s lip schmackin’ Burgers.
Ha yes I am sure there is a niche for a lip-schmackin vegan burger joint. And the marble statues made the Greek philosopher’s beards looks so... polished. I imagine Diogenes had a somewhat more rustic beard that was likely infested, perhaps by fleas! No disrespect to Diogenes. I agree though it does give him the aesthetic of a wise man... now I’m imagining him in Thebes, next to Diogenes’ pot, discussing philosophy, grooming and hygiene...
Shame there are no time stamps on the topics! I was hoping for Bret's comment on the new _WHO_ report regarding the Virus. I guess he'll cover it later with his dear wife. Chur from NZ.
Some time stamp notes I made: 1:46:03. Fundamental innovation of certain scales. 1:49:46. Great question! 2:04:43. George Washington’s Wisdom. This comes from his eighth presidential address (1796)
@03:32 on high-quality, independent thinking @11:36 on a human operating system cognizant of complexity @21:26 on the continuity of human civilization vs inattention vs complex systems @27:25 on collective coordination vs markets: opportunity & risk biases, + game, mistake & conflict theories @37:29 on blindspots and a society conditioned for dopamine hits for short-term rewards @44:42 on hypernormal stimuli and the asymmetric power of big corp over the individual @52:39 on the problem of the required collective action vs evolved human instincts @59:09 on markets and the breaking down of open society and culture @67:34 on society organized around 'the good life' via the principle of 'emergence' @77:37 on trade-offs vs Hegelian synthesis @97:59 on the role of citizens in governance and organization @106:36 on the next cultural enlightenment and human capacities necessary for birthing it @114:41 on the quest for optimality, and the eternal tao which is not the speakable tao @123:44 on an educated populus and the science of government @137:43 on AI, work-automation and the necessity for a 'system reset' @143:01 on creating change in a sea of psycho-memetic complexes @148:44 on 'reality first' and thinking independently @161:41 on the space between echo chambers and one's own narcissism @176:15 on the bio-socio-techno spheres, and the conservative intuition @185:12 on the power of gods, wisdom, love and human nature
wow! my mind is exploding from absolute joy of knowledge overload. the joy of listening to complex ideas and have to concentrate, and rethink and process what they say. enjoying their synergic dialogue, *and feel like the world is beautiful*
I got chills when Dan said, with many generations of success, failure of that society feels like a myth. This is an observation I've made of people since I was a kid, and was basically shut down by people I talked about this with. So happy to hear that this concept is being minded by people like you two! It brings me a little hope where I felt like there was none for so long.
Finally! I don’t get why Daniel hasn’t been on Joe Rogan yet, one of the most interesting people out there, and his ideas could actually help us survive these times....
All I can say is that this is what I've been waiting to see. I'll share this far and wide for as long as it takes for people to catch on-all the best to you, gentlemen.
I love Daniel's pauses where he plans his delivery of an idea and then delivers it smoothly, rather than stumbling over the mismatch between idea and articulation.
I'm going to try to emulate that.
Downloads⚡️🧠⚡️ vs Recycling 🧠 & regurgitating❣️ Always “Sensing”
ok I have so many places I could go with that,
I will just pick one...
your pretentiousness will know no limits
This just might be the best conversation currently on youtube, top work Bret and Daniel
You are an eternal frisbee
Everything Daniel says requires all my attention. I had to pause and rewind at least a dozen times to absorb 50% of what he was saying!
But you're named after a fictional AI which knoweth not the word, so everything is okay.
I do the same. So much to absorb and integrate. He's one of those few people who can shape a worldview.
I had to stop and look up the ideas he was using. Ex. Game theoritic optimums.
Right. And now imagine that English is your second language...
@Firefly fly It's just you.
This may be one of the best 3 hours if conversation I've ever heard. Thank you so much Bret and Daniel.
This is the first I've heard Bret, but EVERTIME I've watched and listened to Daniel - I've said the same thing you did.
I loved watching Bret smiling throughout this conversation. He looked really happy to be there
It’s the sweetest expression he has here, all the hidden smiles 🥰
At 20 min, great point Bret...the difficulty people seem to have of knowing the danger we're in.
At 27 min when you talk about the meltdowns...of Fukushima, of gain of function research and Covid 19, do you, or is it even relevant to consider or wonder if the Covid-19 meltdown was/is intentional?
It's when insanely smart people Finally feel understood on the same level of intellect. These guys are titans
Yes, it’s nice to see people who actually enjoy conversating with others!
This is the exact conversation we need to be having. Please share this episode far and wide my friends.
Non of my friends would be interested.
Yeah. None of the people I know IRL would take the time to understand even 20 minutes of this. It’s disheartening. “Limbically hacked state” indeed...
It's not just the level of smartness and insight, it's the absence of ego and war-making that's so crisp and refreshing.
OMG, these two men. The flow, the polite disagreement and accompained level of enquiry....
Seriously this is wild
I was thinking the same: what a beautiful example of civility, proper communication and respect for both the topics, each other as well as the listeners. I listen to them both with a deep desire and passion to match their precision and excellence in both educational discernment and linguistic articulation.
So good and somehow I only found this now.
@@KyleParks Been watching Bret for a few years. Hadn't heard of Daniel until the other day, now my Watch Later is filled with his stuff. Don't know how I missed this episode -_-
These are the conversations that Eric was referring to when he said We need the capable adults in the seats that matter.
@@beetlo66 yes!
I wish they would have addressed that exact point. To some extent, the whole conversation was skimming around the idea that evolution will do what it does, and that no one can be trusted with such power, while simultaneously trying to figure out a mechanism with which to accomplish it.
At some point, I’d love to hear Brett discuss the 17th Amendment to the US Constitution. I believe it is one of the big reasons the US has become so horribly corrupt. It added enormous incentives for atrocious behavior by everyone at the federal level, which is the last place you would want such corruption.
@@beetlo66 And you know this how exactly? If there are no adults capable of rational thought and/or problem solving, where do you draw these absolutist conclusions from?
(Please don't say you came up with them through your own reasoning, as we already know you're not a capable adult.)
You are 100% correct sir, I could not agree more.... please see my comment just above.......
@@beetlo66 Can you see your own strawmen though?
@@beetlo66 There have been very strong leaders in history. Genghis Khan, and George Washington are good examples.
Clearly given those two figures capability, and tyranny are not directly proportional. You are conflating capable, with perfect. And if you remember the bluest car conversation, perfect is only as good as the optimization constraints you are operating under. It's not a question of satisfying everybody's constraints, it's about finding the optimal constraints for human life to operate under. In that if viewed on a large timescale essentially every human wants more or less the same things. Food, shelter, security, equality of opportunity, etc.
They touched on this when discussing voting, and education. In that the only way to find the human optimum is to educate the populous.
This dialogue was so good, I actually cried. I was pretty embarrassed as my husband was listening with me but my goodness, not only were the topics so great and interesting, the actual communication dynamics were an art form to behold.
I love getting my biases confirmed by those two
Yeah this reinforced a lot of my priors. Great dopamine hits all the way through, altering my future attitudes.
😬
12:41 Temporal myopia. Brilliant! My favorite new phrase. :-) Thank you for having The Schmachtenberger on your program. Love this!
When I saw that this was 3 hours long, I knew we were going to get a treat. Thanks fellas, very well done.
Daniels’s points about first, second and third person epistemology are deeply profound. I feel like this should be written down/formalised if it hasn’t already ...
Oh wow absolutely blockbuster episode. Schmachtenberger on Rebel Wisdom was a revelation for me
His Portal episode was 🔥🔥too
Ya this is maybe the best podcast I’ve heard yet. They’re getting deep into the actual thing.
I concur! DS on Rebel Wisdom was the first time I knew of his existence and I was bluh-hone away!
Same here...
what an incomparable gift to be able to listen to this for free from my own home
🎉❤🙏🥳🥰
This conversation is so amazing and touches upon so many different vital topics. The transcript should absolutely be combed over and dissected and revisited by these two in my opinion. On every topic they could both go vastly deeper is my thought. Great guests. Excellent discussion guys. A ++++++
A cleaned up transcript would be excellent to read!!!
Yes @"darkhorse moderator" is an offical transcription that possible?
A cleaned up transcription now exists, see the Darkhorse discord channel for links
@@davidblake4241 Awesome thank you
Dude, I’ve been saying to my friends and family that we need to fix the fact that 60% of children-by the fourth grade-can’t read at grade level. And it’s difficult to teach them how to keep up when these algos are competing for the attention of these kids (and their parents’), and the culture-in-never-ending-flux they live in is running economic prosperity to the ground. These same kids will be likely to fail in their educational pursuits, and will become politically disenfranchised, uneducated, and likely uncultivated group. We have the potential to create the infrastructure for the digital natives (the generations of tomorrow-so to speak) so that they can learn how to co exist with technology, and use it as a tool for their development and education, rather than as a means for entertainment, socializing, and consuming. The education system in places like California is not working, and the reason for that is the lack of cultivated citizenry. We have failed to integrate immigrants, and we have exploited them for cheap labor, and the children they bear are beginning at a massive disadvantage with NO social orientation whatsoever, and very little guidance. We need to target those children and create dynamic learning systems so that they can contribute and be part of the fabric. However, to do that, we need an ethos that the social order can imbibe, and these media culture war narratives are fucking this up. We are one humanity. Let’s walk each other home.
Yes the kids are in danger, the algorithms have captured them and education is broken. My daughter tells me classmates hide their phones inside books and TikTok during class time (these are 10-11 year olds). They are being programmed at a developmental stage and their health/happiness is inconsequential. I deeply worry about the youngling's future and the education system is affectively useless at teaching sense making, critical thinking, discernment etc.
@@russv.winkle8764 Yup, agreed 100%. It's literally the biggest reason why I'm in education. Like they agreed in this conversation, it'll take 3 generations minimum to turn this ship around, and I've found it so so so so so much easier to reach children, get them thinking, problem solving and asking the right questions, than it is to spark inquisitiveness and curiosity in adults... Hate to say it but in my ability to reach them, my generation and older seem to be a write-off.
Daniel is one of the most interesting people around.
Have you listened to his friend Forrest Landry ?
@@mrpinkpony Listening now, thanks.
That is YOUR opinion. It is also MY opinion.
It was like Bret wanted to ask Daniel if he wants to be his friend,
so high is his respect and cheering for Daniel and that's a good choice for quality. Daniel s a complexity-thinker of a rare kind holding always many threads of one theme in his hands, trying to hierarchize them and wave an intelligent and accurate textile with it.
Saw him first on Rebel Wisdom together with other thinkers, but his depths, reason, humbleness and broad vision was incomparable with the others. No one got close to the independent student of life who would be a shadow of what he is now as an output of academic schooling these days, which has become more an attribute of triviality but of excellence Daniel has gathered by deep looking and deep diving.
@TOC its gotta feel like it for him tho. Imagine being the smartest human, the burden that would be, It's like being left in charge of a daycare that's on fire
This style of conversation links so many ideas, like a 'meta-conversation!' The language these guys use is beautiful, the pace flowing quickly like a river - no um's & ah's - such confident speaking. Thanks, guys - so much to ponder.
Thank you so much for having Daniel on!!! Such a powerful duo here !!
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." -- Benjamin Franklin
I would add that the more they have need of masters, the more vicious their masters tend to be.
"That’s thé problem with the internet. You never know if any of these fuckin quotes is correct or not" Abraham Lincoln
@@robertmoffat5149 "what do you think you're looking at, sugar tits?" - Mel Gibson
The question of governance is, at its core, can we create systemic changes in our institutions of power such that a society of ubiquitous psychopathy could manage to regain its humanity even if there is almost a complete annihilation of social cohesion or intersubjectivity in our relationship with others?
@@robertmoffat5149 "I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" -the late great Colonel Sanders
Two of my favorite thinkers. Can’t wait to listen to this!
Great conversation. Thanks for giving these important ideas a platform!
Two of my favorite people having a 3 hours long conversation.
Much grateful.
One of the best conversations I have heard on these topics of late. You are both some of my favorite sense makers right now, your content is timely and valuable for these times. Keep up the good work.
Welcome to the future. Cross collaborations. Seeing Daniel and Brett together....swoon.
The extreme yin/yang brains interconnecting. Turns out authentic spirituality and authentic science do love each other.
What are you talking about? They both talk and think scientifically. Neither of them come to conclusions based on "spirituality" in any way. Just because someone is spiritually fulfilled, doesn't mean they get their facts from spirituality.
@@xXxTeenSplayer Don't overreact friend. I never said that they are making factual claims from meta sources. It's obvious that they are both incredible sources of logic and scientific facts. From my experience watching Daniel, he has a background in Zen and other modalities that richly contribute to his masculine energy range.
Thanks for setting up and sharing these conversations.
Watching these two communicate is SO thrilling to me, what with how unbelievably intricately they *listen* to one another, and how eloquently they share their thoughts. This is one of those conversations I could pause every 30 seconds to just parse/process what I’m hearing property/as indented, being a normie and all.
Aside from saying the #Truth
What’s that on your lips?
It’s like observing two quantum computers have a chat.
I’m about 1:23:00 into this dialogue and am compelled to pause to say THANK YOU for bringing us this conversation. I’m already preparing to watch it again. Time well spent.
I thought I was smart but then I watched this.
@Idea Window Jeez......... seriously
Agreed! 🤓
You are smart - this is word salad gobbledygook.
@@ChrisRubeo On the contrary. There's actually no word salad at all in this conversation. Please timestamp if you think one of them said something that doesn't mean anything.
@Idea Window "He doesn't even seem to know or reveal it if he does know" - here you're demonstrating to everyone you did not bother to watch this video at all. It's pretty much the first thing Weinstein goes into. Great job.
This is possibly the best podcast I've seen. I will be watching this again at least a few more times in the next couple of weeks. Well done Bret. Hope to see more of Daniel here soon.
Oh my God. My brain is tingling in all the right places. Thank you for this interview with Daniel Schmachtenberger, Prof. Weinstein! This-by far-was the best three hours of my WEEK! 😃
It's hard to find people capable of these types of communication nowadays.
Cynthia, my God!!! It may already be too late, as your comment is from 12 hours ago, but please, get yourself to a hospital immediately! Brain tingling is known to cause all sorts of ill results.
@@scottsherman5262 yes, our education system is designed to make us believe deep thinking is an illness.
@@scottsherman5262
Great Scott !!
You're right...😬
There's no time to lose!
There's GOT to be an antidote...!
QUICK! Hand me the nearest copy of Robin DiAngelo's "White Fragility!"
@03:32 on high-quality, independent thinking
@11:36 on a human operating system cognizant of complexity
@21:26 on the continuity of human civilization vs inattention vs complex systems
@27:25 on collective coordination vs markets: opportunity & risk biases, + game, mistake & conflict theories
@37:29 on blindspots and a society conditioned for dopamine hits for short-term rewards
@44:42 on hypernormal stimuli and the asymmetric power of big corp over the individual
@52:39 on the problem of the required collective action vs evolved human instincts
@59:09 on markets and the breaking down of open society and culture
@67:34 on society organized around 'the good life' via the principle of 'emergence'
@77:37 on trade-offs vs Hegelian synthesis
@97:59 on the role of citizens in governance and organization
@106:36 on the next cultural enlightenment and human capacities necessary for birthing it
@114:41 on the quest for optimality, and the eternal tao which is not the speakable tao
@123:44 on an educated populus and the science of government
@137:43 on AI, work-automation and the necessity for a 'system reset'
@143:01 on creating change in a sea of psycho-memetic complexes
@148:44 on 'reality first' and thinking independently
@161:41 on the space between echo chambers and one's own narcissism
@176:15 on the bio-socio-techno spheres, and the conservative intuition
@185:12 on the power of gods, wisdom, love and human nature
This is the best conversation I have listened to in quite a while. Well done seeking out the highest level of understanding of reality.
I agree!
History will look back fondly on both of you, whatever that place we are looking from might look like. The look on Brets face when Daniel is letting rip is absolutely wonderful to see, its a look of love that. Love both of your work gentlemen, this was a wonderful conversation.
This is a conversation I have been waiting for. Thank you both for your time and insight!
One of the best talks on the entire internet. Master level discourse. Thank-you, guys.
*"I am not an optimist; I'm a prisoner of hope"*
- Archbishop Desmond Tutu
Only done first hour, but what about the retreat about religion. Is this also why we are where we are?
Its dangerous to be over optimistic..then your doomed to fail
Hey! You here as well? Weren't you the "Facts and logic destroy carnist non-sense all the time?" glad to see you listening to Daniel and Bret ;)
Goddamn that's good. 🙏♥️
As opposed to his wife's method of burning her enemies alive?
1:49:49 - 1:52:43
This is it. This is the real shit. This is what we're here for. So perfectly put. Bravo, Daniel!
dammit... i was under the assumption that i was going to bed shortly...
forget it x')
... where's Bed Shortly? Outside Bed-Stuy?
@@TheUnholyPosole OK, sir, please step out of the vehicle...I'm placing you under arrest for excessive Dad-joke telling, with an expired license.
You do know you have control of this and can watch anytime don't you?
@@patpoole6653 Maybe we shld not make assumptions lol. Seriously it happens all the ......Time 🤔
Oh I wish so much of this conversations were available in clips!
When I just shared this with my bf he said... “it’s like if Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin formed a band” 🤘
😂 Nice...
Only a matter of time till we get Pink Floyd and Radiohead i.e. Daniel and Sam lol
No, it's nothing like that at all.
Sorry, but your bf is a moron if he really said that about this. Or he hasn't ever listened to either of those bands.
Nice couple, well done
Love hearing what Daniel has to say on things. In his writings he recommends the documentaries "Paradise or Oblivion" and "The Choice is Ours". Some of my fave documentaries.
Oh...I have a nice long drive tomorrow. I cannot wait to listen to this podcast!
@@susanthursdays5008 Seems like you cannot / make up your own mind. Awesome podcast with Bret & Daniel, cannot wait for part 2!
Ok I am late to the party, but I was saving this. Pure gold, please just give in and do a ten hour podcast together, of course with a moderator so you stay on track and give each topic how much time it deserves from your genius brains 🧠
tears in eyes seeing this, thank you lords thank you 😭😭
Wow! I could listen to you all day long. The way your are having a conversation is giving me hope. Thank you!
Finally. Another 3 hours of Daniel and a Weinstein!
My feelings exactly.
Yes, we've been starved of an honest invitation to THINK.
We're still waiting for a convo between Eric and Daniel after Daniel has had a full night's sleep.
Meat instead of pablum. So much to chew on and watch more than once. Keep it up.
@@hallelujah88 THIS!!!!!!!
Such an amazing, high level conversation!!! Thank you both!
One hour in, will give my brain time to digest and comeback.
It’s a Brilliant conversation
Clearly you two bring out the best in both of each other.
This conversation is the most AWARE.
...mostly
...toasty
...ghostly
@@guitar0wnz Speaking of awareness, I made 2 videos trying to give u a glimpse of the technical singularity ,AGI ,which began jan 2019. I need the most intelligent people to collectively - peer review ish lol. Thx.
awoke/woke & aware/ware?
Absolutely profound conversation. A great match of "idea tennis" between two articulate Intellectuals. I will re-listen to this many times to absorb the points. Thanks!!
Wow this happened. Bret I was part of your Sunday groups and remember mentioning Daniel multiple times on our zoom calls! Happy to see this episode!!!
PS if I could like this video 72847882727962914399 times I would
Great conversation! Hope it can be a regular feature.
Two of my favorite fellows, and who knew they were friends! Not enough characters in the comment section to express how grateful I am for this dialogue.
Amazing conversation.Thank you both.
I’m so excited to listen to this. I love learning new things!
I just discovered Daniel and i' m just in awe of his thinking. I' ll start follow his work as closely as i can.
❤️ Daniel Schmachtenberger! I've been checking for this episode every other hour since it was announced
A marvelous conversation with two unbelievably gifted teachers. I loved every minute of this. Thank you, thank you!
Agree.
This is like the party I don’t wanna leave but fuck I have work tomorrow and prefer to stay and be miserable tomorrow - the same incentive structure I’m actively agreeing is a problem.
Eric...I regret to inform you that you just said but-f*&k. Ya, you're under arrest too.
Awesome! @ 46:00 "There is a close relationship between wisdom and delayed gratification." So simple and true.
I feel so grateful for you guys. Thank you.
Always a great investment to listen to long sessions with Daniel.
I feel high when in tune with this conversation.
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I think I learned more listening to this conversation than in my entire schooling. Thank you for sharing your insights into life the universe and everything.
Excellent Brain-Food as always. Many thanks from The UK.
Amazing conversation! thanks - so much to comment on!
Anyone else have to hit "pause" after Daniel says ANYthing, to re-listen and process all the information and intelligence? So good.
No.
Yes, I and think this is one of the most challenging conversations I have listened to. I plan to listen to it in its entirety at least two more times and take notes as I do. I'm smart enough to know that I'm nearly smart enough to take in all of what they are saying in one go. My feeling is that this conversation could, perhaps should, be turned into a book.
Thank you for a beautiful conversation!
i don't think i have ever seen bret so happy. great conversation, and i really enjoy Daniels perspective
Man this is high level conversation. Thank you gentlemen.
"Wisdom is the difference between the "optimization function" and the Right Choice." That's not bad. (2:01:00 ;-)
I have soo enjoyed this discussion. At school I had the concentration of a nat, and here I am listening to a 3 hour high level debate that challenging engaging and enthawling and totally made sense .
This conversation demands full focus but really rewards the effort
Wow! Great conversation and synergy between these two legends of sense-making. Going to have to go again and take notes!
3:09:00 bravo! Totally concur that the Evergreen incident gave the gift of Bret and Heather to the world
I CAN LISTEN TO THESE TWO FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, EACH WORD CARRIES A NEW DIMENTION OF THINKING, THANK YOU GUYS, APPRECHIATED. ( PLEASE MORE OF THIS COLLIDE OF TWO GREAT MINDS, PLEEEEEEEEAAAAS.
Omg this man.. more people need to know about Daniel
Beautiful... I want to have a belonging with integrity/reality first.
Its taken me 3 sittings to get through this, and I suspect, it'll drop back into this conversation a bunch more time. Thank you!
Daniel’s two tone beard top/bottom setup is pretty sweet, got a bit of an ewok thing happening, I can dig it. Obviously he has his thing going, despite this, I think he should open a burger joint.
Schmachtenberger’s lip schmackin’ Burgers.
This is hilarious...because Daniel is a vegan.
My imagination of an old greek philosopher has the same beard as Daniel
The things we’d miss if we only listen to the podcast! And the facial expressions ☺️
@@Hermetic7 vegan burgers are delicious!
Ha yes I am sure there is a niche for a lip-schmackin vegan burger joint. And the marble statues made the Greek philosopher’s beards looks so... polished. I imagine Diogenes had a somewhat more rustic beard that was likely infested, perhaps by fleas! No disrespect to Diogenes. I agree though it does give him the aesthetic of a wise man... now I’m imagining him in Thebes, next to Diogenes’ pot, discussing philosophy, grooming and hygiene...
Wish there were timestamps. Thank you so much for this.
Shame there are no time stamps on the topics!
I was hoping for Bret's comment on the new _WHO_ report regarding the Virus.
I guess he'll cover it later with his dear wife.
Chur from NZ.
you don't need Bret to tell you that report was utterly ridiculous. Check-out Alina Chan's Twitter feed for this one ;-)
Some time stamp notes I made:
1:46:03. Fundamental innovation of certain scales.
1:49:46. Great question!
2:04:43. George Washington’s Wisdom. This comes from his eighth presidential address (1796)
Oh yeah: his dear wife. The husky-voiced vixen.
@03:32 on high-quality, independent thinking
@11:36 on a human operating system cognizant of complexity
@21:26 on the continuity of human civilization vs inattention vs complex systems
@27:25 on collective coordination vs markets: opportunity & risk biases, + game, mistake & conflict theories
@37:29 on blindspots and a society conditioned for dopamine hits for short-term rewards
@44:42 on hypernormal stimuli and the asymmetric power of big corp over the individual
@52:39 on the problem of the required collective action vs evolved human instincts
@59:09 on markets and the breaking down of open society and culture
@67:34 on society organized around 'the good life' via the principle of 'emergence'
@77:37 on trade-offs vs Hegelian synthesis
@97:59 on the role of citizens in governance and organization
@106:36 on the next cultural enlightenment and human capacities necessary for birthing it
@114:41 on the quest for optimality, and the eternal tao which is not the speakable tao
@123:44 on an educated populus and the science of government
@137:43 on AI, work-automation and the necessity for a 'system reset'
@143:01 on creating change in a sea of psycho-memetic complexes
@148:44 on 'reality first' and thinking independently
@161:41 on the space between echo chambers and one's own narcissism
@176:15 on the bio-socio-techno spheres, and the conservative intuition
@185:12 on the power of gods, wisdom, love and human nature
wow! my mind is exploding from absolute joy of knowledge overload. the joy of listening to complex ideas and have to concentrate, and rethink and process what they say. enjoying their synergic dialogue, *and feel like the world is beautiful*
FINALLY - I have been WAITING for this mutual meetings of minds to grace us.
My two most favorite people on UA-cam ❤ 💕
Same
I got chills when Dan said, with many generations of success, failure of that society feels like a myth. This is an observation I've made of people since I was a kid, and was basically shut down by people I talked about this with. So happy to hear that this concept is being minded by people like you two! It brings me a little hope where I felt like there was none for so long.
Wow this is a master class in complexity science communication. Bravo and thank you so much for your amazing work!
I am so happy seeing this long form conversation in my notifications!
Conversations like this give one hope that we are going to get our act together.
Great conversation! Much appreciated!
ohhh Hell, yes! Thanks for the exploration of themes and the focused patience to unfold points in such good faith manner. Gutsy and sharp
Love this guys, an example of the type of conversation we need to be having to an integrative action toward collective wellbeing
Intellectual ability/Intelligence level: off the charts.
Thank you Bret. Thanks Daniel. Interesting, informative, clever and hopeful content.
I listen to Bret while I grind levels in RPG’s 😂 I’m leveling up in two ways
Which rpgs?
GG
Dang Remington James?
U just tripled my respect for you
Siiick brah!! 🤣
@@thetruthis24 dude?....bro!
Thanks so much for this! So necessary & so refreshing
Finally! I don’t get why Daniel hasn’t been on Joe Rogan yet, one of the most interesting people out there, and his ideas could actually help us survive these times....
I wonder why…
All I can say is that this is what I've been waiting to see. I'll share this far and wide for as long as it takes for people to catch on-all the best to you, gentlemen.