I feel like the original timeline for this was super crazy from the start.. like someone went "yo Dave, how long do you think it takes to revive a film plant that's completely screwed?" (seriously, look up the pictures - those machines were dead dead) - "I dunno, like 6 months?" - "it's in Italy tho" - "okay, better add a month of buffer." All that being said, fully agree with you: really glad they are actually making film and have two rolls in my fridge I am excited to shoot!
Yeah, maybe if they didn't have to move everything and if they could've just dusted off the machines and restarted it might've worked. But with hindsight we know it was not enough time.
I'm at work, had to stop and look at this video! It makes me even more excited for the roll of ferrania i have in my camera. 2 shots left! Trichrome EVERYTHING! 🤩🤩🤩
I was also disappointed a bit when the slide film fell through but at some point I just accepted it. They did revive the old factory, as someone mentioned here but the test lab. The original factory was way too big, like a football field two or three stores high. Like a factory that produces newspaper paper where the machinery runs day and night. Anyway, I'm happy to have P30 and orto 50, P30 also in 120 so it's a good outcome for me.
I am hopeful to see more color negative and slide films released. I still can't wait for FuguFilm 400. They said barring anything crazy, they planned on a release sometime this year, and considering there's not much time left in the year I hope to see it get a release soon. It'll be nice to shoot some fresh 400 speed color slide film over the holidays. Hopefully by then I'm developing it myself.
@@atticdarkroom here's hoping it wasn't too premature and that they can pull it together for a November or January release. I'm just being my normal impatient self though. It gives me an excuse to try pushing Ektachrome to 400 iso some time down the line and besides that, I've got plenty of Retrochrome, so I suppose I can wait.
Not only is the new canister better, but the edge markings are extremely nice. Hopefully continuous production means they can add 120 into the mix, and that can lead us to the color phase at long last. I definitely think it's in reach, though not with any quick turnaround. I get mad at people who treat Kickstarters like a web store, though it was definitely a case study in wishful thinking (but not nearly as bad as the Reflex thing). At least P30 is a straight up unique and very nice film in the meantime.
Interesting with the trichrome. Naked Photographer dude found p30 was orthrochromatic, but looks like you got red channel information. I love the look of P30 and glad it’s back. Great stuff as always!!
There is information in the red channels, but they were a bit underexposed, roughly 1-2 stops. I was surprised because it's sold as a panchro film, but I guess panchro doesn't mean full sensitivity across the range, just that it has some sensitivity.
I love how contrasty this stuff is. I really want to get my hands on some, my local film store had some in stock a few weeks ago but my friend got the last roll 3:29 goes insane
For the first time I'm not at all happy I'm so early, cause the highest quality is not yet ready. Fuck it, gonna watch it all over again in a few hours. I regret nothing.
One of my favourite films to shoot hard to get hold of it here in the Uk I have only 3 rolls left in the fridge it’s such a lovely film to shoot I love the images it produces
@@atticdarkroom I would hope they’d do at least a different ASA in the end because unless it somehow looks better than 7294, it being 100D won’t offer anything new that we don’t already have, unless it’s also cheaper. I imagine if they were to choose between higher or lower ASA, it’d probably be higher but with that you get more grain. A lower ASA like even just 80 or 64 would mean slightly finer grain, so better for projection.
I recently found this at a discount for 7$ a roll and it looked interesting enough, so I naturally bought five rolls lol Also got 3 rolls of the Ortho for the same price Looking forward to try it out!
I love this film when I can get my hands on it. A personal favourite. I love the contrast and smoothness when taking photos of buildings, and it also picks up colours beyond human vision; as when I did portraits of a friend that came out with freckles all over her face and skin that are not visible to the naked eye. P30 may be hard to get hold of, but it is just fantastic to shoot. He is right in it not being the most flexible film, but if you want that shoot HP5; P30 has a specific look and butter smooth grain and I wouldn't have it any other way.
No slide film but hey they got some Orthocromatic film out now! And added a 120 film for P30... Witch is nice but i still hope myself they get more about different formats, both super8 and 16mm. I didn't got to see the whole crowdfunding but knowing how stuff in italy goes im even surprised it is working quite well now
I scanned down your comments. I don't see one from Farrania Film saying that your slide film is in the works. Still I really like the TriChrome you got out of P30, I think it looks awesome.
So I may be mixing apples with grapes here, but here goes. I use Adox Scala 50 regularly, and love it. I recently got my hands on 3 rolls of Ferrania P30, this is of course a re-modulation of the original P30 formula used in Italian Cinema in the 50’s and 60’s, with similar characteristics as the Adox Scala 50 - similar box speeds 50 vs 80, similar high silver content, similar clear film base. The difference sits in the way each is developed, one is a slide reversal film, the other a negative B&W film. Yet Ferrania P30 the motion picture film stock produced back in the day was also a slide reversal film, as the films seen on the big screen attest. So my question is simple, do you think I’d be able to produce reversal slides using Ferrania P30 film with the Adox reversal slide film process?
Interesting. I shot a lot of Ferrania slide film in the 1980s - bought 100 foot rolls of it from Freestyle. And later I shot a lot of their color negative film by way of 3M and K-Mart. I would troll the stores looking for expired film.
@@atticdarkroom "according to the internet". but remember they almost went to hell just to get a classic black and white film back, how much more if they went with the original goal? as one of the original backers I did not wish for the perks, only to see more film enter the market.
P30 is a good freezer film. After shooting a few rolls of it, I find the freezer is the best place for it. I support Ferrania's mission 100% but I can't stand that film. I've taken maybe a handful of shots out of the 3 or 4 rolls I shot that I liked but most were way too contrasty to be usable.
Thanks for the vid. But you forgot to mention that the previous batch of P30 had stickers with no DX coding on them. It was hard if not worthy of use for point and shoot cameras that needed DX coded canisters. I am glad that the current batches have a legit DX code now for said cameras.
It's quite a fun film. I find you can pull a lot of detail out when scanning. Much less so when printing. I tried to tame the contrast by pulling but last time I attempted that I didn't have good results. I'm planning on buying more and souping it in 510-Pyro and doing actual H&D curves to see if I can sort out the mystery. I noticed you shot some color charts - how was the red response? I hear that it leans ortho-panchromatic and that it doesn't :) I myself have experienced it where it seems like it sees less red, but only sometimes?
It's a look for sure. It definitely has lower sensitivity in the reds. In some of my early trichromes the red channel was around two stops underexposed.
@@jonnoMoto Yep Xtol was my go-to last time I used P30. It still is (well it's Adox equivalent, XT3) but I've been using 510 for when I'm not pushing. I noticed similar things with HR50 which I was able to do some H&D curves with and found it has a prominent S shape (in Xtol) and my suspicion is P30 will have the same.
@@atticdarkroom Also notices the coding on the side, not that I can use it with my old minolta, but still a nice touch. I haven't opened my four new rolls yet.
Man I really just wanna buy P30 and freeze it before I never have the chance to try it. Feels like they are one world disaster away from never producing another roll again. I want them to be able to grow and succeed but it seems like they’ve been dealt a pretty bad hand over the last 10 years or so. I really feel for them!
Having shot this stuff I would say that it's nowhere near an 80 ISO film, the contrast to me suggests it's more like 32 if you're feeling charitable and the suggested times are if anything a one stop push. Don't have any more of it to test with a step-chart and actually find out the specific range it has (and I would usually do that on sheet film anyway) but I would say unless you like the hyper-contrast look you might want to 'pull' the stuff to actually have some mid-tones. That said I'd love to have it in the form it was originally invented and shoot it as 16mm film...
do a a Tri chrome with UV and infrared. shoot something like Ilford hp5 with sensitivity down to 300 NM with a UV light filter. then shoot the same film with a blue filter. then swap film backs with something like Rollei infrared and do a shoot with r72.
I've wanted to do UV and IR trichromes but the big issue was UV cut filters are expensive and cheap filters let in a lot of IR. I never considered using another non IR sensitive film for the UV channel. I'll have to try this out. Thanks for the idea!
I feel like the original timeline for this was super crazy from the start.. like someone went "yo Dave, how long do you think it takes to revive a film plant that's completely screwed?" (seriously, look up the pictures - those machines were dead dead) - "I dunno, like 6 months?" - "it's in Italy tho" - "okay, better add a month of buffer."
All that being said, fully agree with you: really glad they are actually making film and have two rolls in my fridge I am excited to shoot!
Yeah, maybe if they didn't have to move everything and if they could've just dusted off the machines and restarted it might've worked. But with hindsight we know it was not enough time.
please do a video on tri-chroming b&w slide film.
this is utterly stupid pointless and serves no function, sounds like another banger video
It's on the list!
@@atticdarkroom I would like to add to the suggestion of a stacked projection to project a full color image.
This is something I've wanted to do for a long time. I just need to find two more working projectors.
@@emfolkerts I see slide projectors all the time at the thrift store, I might pick up a few of them and try this myself
This channel is straight up one of the best I've found randomly on UA-cam
It's alright.
babe wake up, new attic darkroom video
These are some of the most beautiful phots seen on your channel, it seems like this film really suits your style
I'm at work, had to stop and look at this video! It makes me even more excited for the roll of ferrania i have in my camera. 2 shots left! Trichrome EVERYTHING! 🤩🤩🤩
I was also disappointed a bit when the slide film fell through but at some point I just accepted it. They did revive the old factory, as someone mentioned here but the test lab. The original factory was way too big, like a football field two or three stores high. Like a factory that produces newspaper paper where the machinery runs day and night. Anyway, I'm happy to have P30 and orto 50, P30 also in 120 so it's a good outcome for me.
I love this Channel so much, showing us all of the great films out there, and all great tricks you can do with film.
I am hopeful to see more color negative and slide films released.
I still can't wait for FuguFilm 400. They said barring anything crazy, they planned on a release sometime this year, and considering there's not much time left in the year I hope to see it get a release soon. It'll be nice to shoot some fresh 400 speed color slide film over the holidays. Hopefully by then I'm developing it myself.
FuguFilm seems promising, but that announcement was also premature. I'm hoping they figure their stuff out, but it might be a while.
@@atticdarkroom here's hoping it wasn't too premature and that they can pull it together for a November or January release. I'm just being my normal impatient self though.
It gives me an excuse to try pushing Ektachrome to 400 iso some time down the line and besides that, I've got plenty of Retrochrome, so I suppose I can wait.
i hope we can get more color slide film so my local lab will start doing e6 instead of only cors prosseing lmao
@@rendragydna right?! I want more labs to start doing E-6 again (even if I'm going to start doing it myself.)
New video, nice!
Another fabulous video as usual! Your content never fails to intrigue and excite, can’t wait to see what you do next :)
Not only is the new canister better, but the edge markings are extremely nice. Hopefully continuous production means they can add 120 into the mix, and that can lead us to the color phase at long last. I definitely think it's in reach, though not with any quick turnaround. I get mad at people who treat Kickstarters like a web store, though it was definitely a case study in wishful thinking (but not nearly as bad as the Reflex thing). At least P30 is a straight up unique and very nice film in the meantime.
I would love to see this film in 120, but first thing first hopefully they can make anything reliably.
incredible video as always. I learn something new with every strange experiment you do!
Interesting with the trichrome. Naked Photographer dude found p30 was orthrochromatic, but looks like you got red channel information. I love the look of P30 and glad it’s back. Great stuff as always!!
There is information in the red channels, but they were a bit underexposed, roughly 1-2 stops. I was surprised because it's sold as a panchro film, but I guess panchro doesn't mean full sensitivity across the range, just that it has some sensitivity.
Having shot it twice it's quickly risen to be one of my favourite BW films. High contrast, great tonality, classic grain structure.
Of all film manufacturers that closed down, Ferrania was there the longest... until 2012. All the others gave up before...
I liked the results more than I thought I would! And you have one of my favorite film channels on youtube! Keep it up! :)
I watched one of my favorite movie (two woman) just because it was shot on ferrania and found a masterpiece
We might not be getting slide film from Ferrania anytime soon but I am excited to try Fugufilm 400 whenever that comes out
I'm hoping for the best for Ferrania and JCH. Any new film is always a good thing.
I love how contrasty this stuff is. I really want to get my hands on some, my local film store had some in stock a few weeks ago but my friend got the last roll
3:29 goes insane
For the first time I'm not at all happy I'm so early, cause the highest quality is not yet ready. Fuck it, gonna watch it all over again in a few hours. I regret nothing.
One of my favourite films to shoot hard to get hold of it here in the Uk I have only 3 rolls left in the fridge it’s such a lovely film to shoot I love the images it produces
Have you done any videos on b&w reversal? Apparently hydrogen peroxide and acetic acid (vinegar) works really well if you can't find a kit
I have a Scala kit and a roll of Scala already shot. I just need to do it. I also want to try some DIY options as well. It's just a matter of time.
@@atticdarkroom Awwwwwwwwesome
They better end up doing colour reversal. I need another option for super 8. A 40ASA colour reversal would be nice….
I think it's still part of the plan, but nothing in the short term unfortunately.
@@atticdarkroom
I would hope they’d do at least a different ASA in the end because unless it somehow looks better than 7294, it being 100D won’t offer anything new that we don’t already have, unless it’s also cheaper.
I imagine if they were to choose between higher or lower ASA, it’d probably be higher but with that you get more grain. A lower ASA like even just 80 or 64 would mean slightly finer grain, so better for projection.
I recently found this at a discount for 7$ a roll and it looked interesting enough, so I naturally bought five rolls lol Also got 3 rolls of the Ortho for the same price
Looking forward to try it out!
I love this film when I can get my hands on it. A personal favourite. I love the contrast and smoothness when taking photos of buildings, and it also picks up colours beyond human vision; as when I did portraits of a friend that came out with freckles all over her face and skin that are not visible to the naked eye. P30 may be hard to get hold of, but it is just fantastic to shoot. He is right in it not being the most flexible film, but if you want that shoot HP5; P30 has a specific look and butter smooth grain and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Never seen this film around. I use mostly Fomapan, it's dirt cheap here, self winded. And it's still in production.
No slide film but hey they got some Orthocromatic film out now! And added a 120 film for P30... Witch is nice but i still hope myself they get more about different formats, both super8 and 16mm.
I didn't got to see the whole crowdfunding but knowing how stuff in italy goes im even surprised it is working quite well now
Ferrania Solaris ks my favorite film and I'm just praying that one day they make it again
I scanned down your comments. I don't see one from Farrania Film saying that your slide film is in the works. Still I really like the TriChrome you got out of P30, I think it looks awesome.
So I may be mixing apples with grapes here, but here goes. I use Adox Scala 50 regularly, and love it. I recently got my hands on 3 rolls of Ferrania P30, this is of course a re-modulation of the original P30 formula used in Italian Cinema in the 50’s and 60’s, with similar characteristics as the Adox Scala 50 - similar box speeds 50 vs 80, similar high silver content, similar clear film base. The difference sits in the way each is developed, one is a slide reversal film, the other a negative B&W film. Yet Ferrania P30 the motion picture film stock produced back in the day was also a slide reversal film, as the films seen on the big screen attest. So my question is simple, do you think I’d be able to produce reversal slides using Ferrania P30 film with the Adox reversal slide film process?
I don't see why it wouldn't work. Although one thing is P30 has a light grey base.
Interesting. I shot a lot of Ferrania slide film in the 1980s - bought 100 foot rolls of it from Freestyle. And later I shot a lot of their color negative film by way of 3M and K-Mart. I would troll the stores looking for expired film.
think about it, they had to rebuild their whole operation from scratch, that can't be an easy thing to do
According to the internet it should've been super easy to do.
@@atticdarkroom "according to the internet". but remember they almost went to hell just to get a classic black and white film back, how much more if they went with the original goal?
as one of the original backers I did not wish for the perks, only to see more film enter the market.
P30 is a good freezer film. After shooting a few rolls of it, I find the freezer is the best place for it.
I support Ferrania's mission 100% but I can't stand that film. I've taken maybe a handful of shots out of the 3 or 4 rolls I shot that I liked but most were way too contrasty to be usable.
Thanks for the vid. But you forgot to mention that the previous batch of P30 had stickers with no DX coding on them. It was hard if not worthy of use for point and shoot cameras that needed DX coded canisters. I am glad that the current batches have a legit DX code now for said cameras.
That's a great point.
Looks like Ferrania’s getting close. That’s a decent K layer. Did you check if there’s a sensitivity out around 720nm?
I did not. It would be interesting to see if it does have any sensitivity in the near IR. I might have another roll rattling around somewhere...
oooo new video
Thanks for the video! :)
great vid as always my man. have you ever had any interest in shooting kono or revolog films? they look right up your alley!
It's quite a fun film. I find you can pull a lot of detail out when scanning. Much less so when printing. I tried to tame the contrast by pulling but last time I attempted that I didn't have good results. I'm planning on buying more and souping it in 510-Pyro and doing actual H&D curves to see if I can sort out the mystery. I noticed you shot some color charts - how was the red response? I hear that it leans ortho-panchromatic and that it doesn't :) I myself have experienced it where it seems like it sees less red, but only sometimes?
It's a look for sure. It definitely has lower sensitivity in the reds. In some of my early trichromes the red channel was around two stops underexposed.
@@atticdarkroom whoa 2 stops is not small! When I have seen the affect yeah it seemed more intense than say Acros ii but less than Ilford Ortho.
I found the same in xtol @iso64. Shadows looked crushed but surprisingly rich with detail.
@@jonnoMoto Yep Xtol was my go-to last time I used P30. It still is (well it's Adox equivalent, XT3) but I've been using 510 for when I'm not pushing. I noticed similar things with HR50 which I was able to do some H&D curves with and found it has a prominent S shape (in Xtol) and my suspicion is P30 will have the same.
Sound great! Do show the results please :D I have some pyro 510 here but im not so sure how to combine it with P30
Please do a video pushing and pulling colorplus200
I wonder what would happen if you processed this film using rodinal stand developing 🤔
Shadow is really dark, not enough silver?
well... it's been about seven months and they're releasing another bw 35mm film soon.
is the new cassette still a sticker or printed on metal? as a collector of sorts I care about this much more than I should...
It's printed on the metal.
@@atticdarkroom thanks for the answer, that's very cool - sticker labels just aren't as nice.
@@atticdarkroom Also notices the coding on the side, not that I can use it with my old minolta, but still a nice touch. I haven't opened my four new rolls yet.
Man I really just wanna buy P30 and freeze it before I never have the chance to try it. Feels like they are one world disaster away from never producing another roll again. I want them to be able to grow and succeed but it seems like they’ve been dealt a pretty bad hand over the last 10 years or so. I really feel for them!
From what I heard there will be a fresh batch hitting the shelves soon.
Having shot this stuff I would say that it's nowhere near an 80 ISO film, the contrast to me suggests it's more like 32 if you're feeling charitable and the suggested times are if anything a one stop push.
Don't have any more of it to test with a step-chart and actually find out the specific range it has (and I would usually do that on sheet film anyway) but I would say unless you like the hyper-contrast look you might want to 'pull' the stuff to actually have some mid-tones.
That said I'd love to have it in the form it was originally invented and shoot it as 16mm film...
second , cheers for the uploads
I found you channel a couple of days ago and i got stuck in your videos! But why you put texts only for so short time? 😅
do a a Tri chrome with UV and infrared. shoot something like Ilford hp5 with sensitivity down to 300 NM with a UV light filter. then shoot the same film with a blue filter. then swap film backs with something like Rollei infrared and do a shoot with r72.
I've wanted to do UV and IR trichromes but the big issue was UV cut filters are expensive and cheap filters let in a lot of IR. I never considered using another non IR sensitive film for the UV channel. I'll have to try this out. Thanks for the idea!
What happens if i shoot on really expired film?
CAN YOU DO CATLAB FILM VIDEO?
YES I CAN. I'VE BEEN MEANING TO TRY THEIR NEW MKII FILM.
Guys, he forgot he had ferrania p30 In The freezer
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