Alright time to clear stuff up because people want to fight: 1. People are saying that the "all martial artists must be Asian" thing is a harmful stereotype that is perpetuated by characters like Lin Lie because it's too common. However, I can name very few mainstream comicbook characters that are Asian and have a focus on martial arts other than Shang-Chi. Lady Shiva? Cassandra Cain? Lol. I don't why people are so insistent that this is a burnt out trope when it makes sense that a character that is extremely proficient in martial arts is from Asia (where we can assume martial arts would have richer history and deeper culture). I'm obviously talking about the comicbook landscape rather than any other medium. If you have one single Asian character in a film franchise and his main purpose is to be a martial artist, then yes, that would be stereotypical. However, I'd argue that's different from a legacy title being passed down in a world where there are plenty of Asian characters that do other things. Who do we have in comics in terms of mainatream martial artists? Richard Dragon, Black Canary, Black Panther, Wildcat, Batman, Taskmaster etc. Many characters known for hand-to-hand combat aren't Asian in Marvel and DC comics. 2. To people who are adamant that there is nothing wrong with Danny Rand's creation, even when looking back at it now: If the story was instead set in Wakanda, Danny Rand was orphaned and was raised there, and gained the title of the Black Panther, do you still not see the issue? If you don't, then feel free to argue your points to any average IQ adult in real life and see how that goes. 3. I know it might be ironic of me to say this but it's not that serious people. These characters aren't real. No need to claim that Asians are being tricked by this change and being suckered into Mickey Mouse's tit and only YOU can see the strings. Trust me, we know that companies want more diversity, you're not special.
I agree with your points (both in the video & this comment),but you really don't have to use a harsher language since most of the comments that opposes your opinions doesn't even curse or anything.If anything they're gonna have a hard time understanding your perspective.
One issue with the 2nd point, that exact thing happened. A white kid gets adopted by tchalla father, later on becomes the white wolf, the leader of wakanda police or special forces (i forgot). He did become a villain because the usual i deserve better plot line and tries to kill BP, but fails and died on a volcano (i forgot). BP as a title is an inherited power from Bast, for a random guy to just appear and be BP wouldn't make sense. Meanwhile Iron fist isn't specifically passed down to members of the same family/race/royal family, but whoever is worthy by i think the Thunderer or the guy that guard the gate in current modern comics. Hulk and Thor had received training to become Iron fist though they didn't get the actual powers. And Lin's Iron Fist doesn't actually use the same power as Danny's (the dragon thing) but rather from the Sword shard (which to be fair, comes from the dragon too i recall).
I get where you're coming from but Danny Rand as a character was not made out of this racist ideal. Before he made it to K'un Lun he was a rich bratty kid, he was ignorant about the ways of the world. It was through his training that opened his eyes about the world, and other cultures. The title of Iron Fist is earned not by race but by your CHARACTER. I mean Danny in the comics gave away ALL his money and assets when he learned where he it came from.
Can we atleast agree that we need a costume in marvel rivals based off the classic iron fist costume. With the dragon tatoo on the chest and the bandana.
We just got Thor classic look. I think they know people want some classic designs. But I think they need to make new qualitie of skins like mythic or something, with new voice actors and different voice lines. Not only Danny Rand iron fist. They could use ot for Miles Morales or Spider-Gwen. It would be great and cheaper than making new character.
@@Аноним-д3я NetEase revealed that characters who share a mantle (Spider-Man (Miles), Nova, etc) wouldn't be coming to the game as skins, but rather as their own characters.
I think it's important tobhave characters like Danny because it shows that people can appreciate cultures that aren't their own. He's always been very respectful and has an awesome history that shouldn't be erased for a different character. It's also pretty derivative to make every matrial artist asian. There's martial artists in every country and Asian characters can do more than throw kicks. Let's broaden everyone's horizons and not get stuck in this tired old stereotype.
Exactly, they are talking about diversity but at the same time they are perpetuating stereotypes. They're basically saying that only Asians can be martial artists.
Luke Cage was also built off tired tropes that didn’t age well but that doesn’t stop him from getting used now and recontextualized. I think Danny and Lin Lie both have a place. Peter and Mile coexist. I want to see more Ironfist and that includes Danny and Lin Lie. I also want more Heroes for Hire projects.
I really want to see if Rivals can fit Luke in the game but more than that I want a Danny costume for Rivals. I haven't even played Iron Fist in game yet because I prefer Danny. I don't mind Lin Lie, I generally like legacy style heroes like how we get different Captain Americas and Ant-Men but I wish Danny was the default star like Peter without all the politics and drama
Having a shared power energy a la Green Latern of 2 or little more of 4 people being Iron Fist. Heck tbe 2nd Ultimate Hulk has become into the Iron Fist. And is racist itself to say that every martial artists is Asian.
honestly I feel like a Shang chi and Iron fist buddy-cop show would be fun. have them constantly fight each other to see who's better but ultimatley realize they need to lean on each others strengths
@@moonwhooper Just as many largely right wing white Americans call everything that has to do with non white characters in media “woke.” I’m calling this very same identity politics woke too. Might as well at this point, now that the word has completely lost its meaning. At the end of the day, Danny was created to be Iron Fist by Marvel because he was White. Whether ppl want to admit it or not, he’s literally a version of White affirmative action. Placed there so white readers interested in Asian culture could feel represented. Not to mention, the white guy in foreign land trope. I have no problem with that… but what I do have an issue with is White ppl feeling entitled to these mantles, and yet ironically- crying when a live version of The Little Mermaid is Black. It’d be considered woke if they made Thor another race, yet some White ppl have no issue with how many movies/shows they themselves have whitewashed or rather, inserted themselves in a place in history where there were either none or very very few.
Moon knight's got a whole other awkward situation of a Jewish person being commanded and controlled by an Egyptian. This stemming from the fact his creator gave him the surname of a colleague not realizing it was a Jewish name, so he was made Jewish a little bit later on in the comics. I do believe people took issue with this.
To be fair Marc being Jewish and rejecting it in favor of an egyptian god, which also ties into his stranded relationship with his father, does carry some strong symbolism.
I just hate the way they straight up killed Danny Rand off in his own anniversary special, like bro lost the iron fist power, was just having a drink on his birthday and then got bodied. then poof gone. it sucks
@@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099 Danny isn't his boy, those characters aren't even friends, Marc literally beat the shit out him and stole his powers in Age of Khonshu
It seems like that line might have been aimed for people like me, older comics fans that aren't aware of the character of Lin Lie using the Iron Fist name. The same can be said for Marvel Rival's Psylocke not being Betsy Braddock. Who is a character that is really problematic. Originally a white British telepath race swapped into a Japanese assassin... yikes.
By the way, we have Sai Psylocke in game and not Kwannon/Betsy too. And her epic skin is totally represent classic Psylocke which is kinda all about making people want buy a skin.
Honestly when it comes to Psylocke I prefer that they went with Sai as the whole Betsy being a white woman who swapped bodies with an Asian woman is extremely odd especially in this age so just simplifying her to an Asian woman is the better pick imo
@@Bluejay-jg6hz Well right now Kwannon is Psylocke (The person's body that Betsy used for over 30 years), and now Betsy is Captain Britain. So at least the main Psylocke in the comics is actually Asian now, and not a British girl inside a Asian person body.
He's a white guy participating in someone else's culture and that's a big no no in today's political climate. Make him black though and no one would give a shit.
I'm not mad that Finn is white, I'm furious that he refused to learn ANY amount of fighting styles or even choreography for a TV show entirely based around being one of the best martial artists in the world.
But he DID. He was cast ONE MONTH before shooting started and spent the whole time training. He was a bad casting choice but the poor guy did try to make the most of it.
No one got any time to prepare on that show. All five shows had to be made by a certain date, and Iron Fist, originally meant to be the second show, was in development hell for years, until they just rushed it out the door. The only reason Henwick's fights were decent was due to her background in dancing.
@@nurpiet the sword doesn't change the gameplay at all, heck we can't even see it, also, it's not a full sword, it's the fragments of it Just in case u didn't knew 👍
@@ibrahimalee23 why? Kpop is SUPER popular, even outside Korea. It makes sense to have a character like that. What, do you want a kpop star that's a white woman??
@@ibrahimalee23well I mean, when she was made it wasn’t that Marvel wanted a Korean character, it’s that they wanted a Kpop character. Similar to LoL’s KDA, she was made with the purpose of making music under her name, hence why she’s a K-pop idol. Honestly it’d be odd if she wasn’t Korean
dont get me WRONG. lin lie is cool ig. but danny rand is MY GOAT my childhood favourite superhero and hes cool as fuck idgaf about politicking or whatever
If Iron Fist comes into the MCU I hope it’s Danny Rand simply because Shang Chi is already a really strong Asian martial artist with really powerful powers that need skill to be used effectively.
Honestly this is an American only problem because I'm from Mexico and I love Danny Rand, I think he's an awesome character. Like here in Mexico Peter Parker is more popular than miles, uncle Ben is more popular than miles . The fact that he's latino doesn't really do anything for his popularity here
But Miles is very popular in Puetro Rico and New York. He's not Mexican so I wouldn't expect him to be popular in Mexico, especially with Mexico being as racist as it is.
Yeah, Miles isn't tied to Mexican culture but he's tied to American black culture and Puerto Rican culture so he's vastly more popular in those communities. It's all about context and the communities in question. Different communities and cultures are gonna have different outlooks on these things, we puerto ricans hardly have any representation so we appreciate Miles way more than Peter. While there are characters like white tiger, there's no one else to grab on to. These characters aren't being pushed and there's literally no notable puerto rican character from DC. Representation does matter so no, it's not an American only issue. Clearly other countries do care as people south east Asian want better and more Representation for their communities hence the push.
I also dont agree with danny being a "white savior" and its also the fact that for most of his life he grew up with the people of kunlun so he probably knows that culture more than his original culture
Exactly. If we were to reframe this in a normal setting, it would be like if Danny was an American kid adopted into a multicultural family and embracing each of theirs so much from how accepted he felt amongst them that he wanted to share with others by either teaching languages at a school, teaching different Asia martial arts at his own dojo, opening his own restaurant, ... Only for him to be fired/kicked out/get backlash from the public because he doesn't have the "right" ethnicity.
An interesting fact is that in the original ironfist run danny rand's father is from kun lun so if people of kun lun are asian then danny is atleast half asian.
I'll never understand how is racist to have a white martial artist trained in Asian ways oppose to having an Asian play the martial artist instead which is a literal stereotype
It's racist because white people aren't allowed to participate in other cultures apparently. It's just not the type of racism virtue signalers try to frame it to be. It is entirely racism against whites.
No one is saying it’s racist. Literally no one. I’m saying Danny Rand as Iron Fist is dumb. With all the white heroes in Marvel it is just lazy to make Iron Fist yet another white dude. The show sucked because the premise sucks.
When Asians complain about the martial artist stereotype, we're complaining about being limited to that image. We're not complaining about the image itself. When you're limited to one niches, having that one niche taken away is especially annoying. Imagine I have ten cookies and you have one. If you complain about having one cookie, the solution is not to take it away, give it to me, and leave you with zero.
I think the idea that bothers me about Lin Lie’s inclusion is that he’s mostly a mid character. He was annoying and insufferable when he was Swordmaster and didn’t really “earn” the Iron Fist at all. He’s been Iron Fist for a total of 8 or 10 issues and unfortunately he’s just not as good as a character as Danny.
Hell, the iron fist comics literally had a successor for him already, her name was pei, it was his adoptive daughter that also had the iron fist, they just basically ignored her whole character and the potential of her as IF
The worst thing about the Netflix show is that Finn Jones was visibly the worst martial artist on the show. Allegedly, he didn’t do any serious training. They should have cast an actor whose fight choreo learning curve would have been a lot smaller. Lewis Tan was right there, but there are also plenty of white actors with more stunt experience than Finn Jones. He was just a weird choice.
Ok, dude, do your own research. finn jones did do hia own stunts. The creators ran tight ship, so before he could get any real training in jones, it was about 2 weeks into training before filming
@ Never said he didn’t do his own stunts. Just that he wasn’t skilled enough at them to sell the character. If they were gonna cut corners on the training, then they should have found an actor who didn’t need a lot of it.
@@BoboftheOldeWays I mean, Lewis Tan had a martial arts background, and yet almost his entire fight was done by a stunt double. Compare that to Into the Badlands season 3 though, where he had time to prepare, and it looks great.
I love Danny I can’t lie, and I feel like Lin Lie should have been able to have his own character as sword master without becoming the Iron Fist. I understand the tropes associated with the character but I think he was still fleshed out enough to rise above his origins.
@ That's the thing, Lin was swordmaster before and was actually cool, he just sucks ass as iron fist, tell me why they took out all of his personality when they made him IF, he is just a wasted character to be honest
No. I don't. People always say "make new, and original characters" , and when they do most times they aren't given a fair chance to build momentum. They have to be a hit immediately, get pushed CRAZY by marvel, or else why would I care about that new character when I got already established names? That's why we have mantle characters or characters tied close to established characters it's much easier to get them to stick.
The problem is that isn't it funny that apparently only asian people are martial artists? Danny was supposed to stray from that stereotype, same with Snake Eyes. He was just a white man that was just that guy in the Arashikage. Daniel was just a breath of fresh air, simple cultural appreciation!
@@RaulMéndez-s9n that argument is getting old too. if we bring more diversity it’s so the world building feels more alive, coherent and realistic. the fact that danny has the trope of the white rich orphan kid that get raised by chinese people who teach him martial arts is a breath of fresh air to you all even if we’ve seen this dozen times already yet him being one other chinese dude among chinese monks is a stereotype. we’re talking about K'un-Lun and Shou-Lao, the fuck’s so wrong about Lin Lie receiving the mark of the Iron Fist after Danny Rand ? it’s not even like you people read any of the damn comics y’all would know he learned his place. there’s thousands of white meat eating heterosexual rich men in marvel, you’ll live.
@@RaulMéndez-s9nsomething i can think of: the DEi created black male lead characters, they just always have the Killmonger haircut and speak with the same “Wakanda” accent
Did you not watch the video? Danny's original origin is literally the 'great white hope' stereotype. The same thing they make fun of the last samurai for.
Imagine if everyone around you kept comparing you to someone else, always praising that same person, I fell like he's actually respectful considering how much he's compared to danny
Bro Danny is his mentor, he respects him so much. It's just an in-game voice line to show that Iron Fist is not just him but can be anybody. And BTW Thor trained to become Iron Fist and a Hulk was trained by Danny too.
I feel that alooooootttt of people who don't read comics say stuff like this, anyone who has basic knowledge of iron fist knows it's a moniker so anyone could be it
I feel like the general answer to issues of representation tends to be "make more of it, and make it different" Like, no ONE character can be the "perfect Chinese representation". And it IS kind of unfair to expect that. It's not an issue that can be fixed just with Iron Fist, it needs to be fixed by making more diverse Chinese heroes IN GENERAL. I love Chinese characters who are deeply tied to and defined by Chinese culture. But if every single Chinese character is only about being Chinese, that's ALSO an issue. I love Chinese kung fu heroes, I love Chinese fantasy, but I don't think every single Chinese hero NEEDS to be about kung fu or Chinese fantasy. Marvel has so many characters, there's room for characters that occupy a variety of niches, and Asian people shouldn't have to settle for EITHER "This character is ONLY about being Asian" and "This character is Asian but their Asian heritage is barely a part of their life", when they should be getting a variety of Asian characters representing a variety of experiences and cultural ideas.
I agree with the first reply to be honest. I’m completely fine with representation when it makes sense. But actively changing decades old characters to fit a different identity group just for representation is so weird. Make new characters is always a solution. Iron Fist isn’t a “problem” that needs fixing. He’s a fictional character with his own identity and story that’s been told.
@@NoahToledo-xo5pjwhy should we have to go to chinese media just so we can see our culture and our people represented well in media? the reason why its so important for american and european media specifically to represent all these different races is because they have historically repressed and colonized these people into imperialist beliefs.
@@EldenLord78they're no really changing him, they're just passing on the mantle to a new character. danny rand is still a character in the marvel universe. his history as iron fist lives on and will be immortalized forever.
Thank you for addressing this cause I never had an issue with Danny Rand as Iron Fist. Growing up I felt like Danny was an homage to american martial artists from the 70’s like John Saxon and Chuck Norris. I never saw Danny as a white savior but a man who overcame the impossible and became a better person as a result. There’s a huge difference between cultural appropriation and appreciation and there needs to be more of the latter.
I think it's kind of ridiculous to say we already have Shang Chi so we can't have Iron Fist because they are both martial artists. Every Martial Artist in comics has their unique flow to it. Danny can be more aggressive while Shang Chi strategizes with his rings more. The Combo potential is insane. Daredevil is more acrobatic, Luke Cage is a powerhouse, all of them have something special and people WIL watch it
My earliest childhood memory regarding Danny Rand is using him as a healer in Marvel Ultimate Alliance. I didn't know the character before then. I used to think that Danny Rand should be played by an Asian-American actor, preferably adopted by a white family, but my opinion on the matter changed a long time ago. Nowadays, I'd rather Marvel do the legwork in promoting lesser known non-white characters instead of race swapping established white characters. I think raceswapping is just lazy. A legacy character like Lin Lie being a new Iron Fist is the better move than just having Danny Rand be race swapped.
Race swapping isn't lazy inherently however companies who do it soully to cash in on the drama around it are gross its mostly done to stir up drama with white folk and thats why I don't like it not only does it create a divide because racists are loud even tho they make up a small amount of people but it also brings nothing to the character it also matters what the context is like some characters must be white like batman or steve rogers but characters like wonder woman not so much
Lin Lie, for me, is a weird choice for me. If they wanted an Asian martial artist, they could have gone with Shang-Chi or Lin's other alter ego: Swordmaster (but that would have been stepping on Magik's toes). Going with Lin Lie closes off one of the biggest draws to Iron Fist and thats his connection to Luke Cage and the Heroes for Hire.
I think a good way of bringing back Iron Fist into the MCU would be introducing Lin Lie, as the student of Danny Rand during the second Shang-Chi movie or in their own TV show, just like how Daredevil Born Again is a spin off of the Netflix show. This way we would not only get to see Iron Fist and Shang-Chi again (and working together) but it would also fix the current MCU Iron Fist complaints. I have some ideas for how this could work, Shang-Chi 2: we get the main Shang-Chi 2 story, whatever that may be, but alongside that we get introduced to Lin Lie who is introduced as Iron Fist to us, it could be a cool team up see what martial arts characters working together and they could also get the help from Danny Rand's Iron Fist during the film as well. Iron Fist Disney+ show: It could follow the story of Lin Lie, like in the comics, where he gets mentored by Danny Rand to becoming the new Iron Fist, that's my idea for the show so far. Obviously, its not all perfect as I just came up with this all just now, but I could see this working for the MCU.
Wouldnt it be more fitting for it to go for like a Sam Wilson kind of thing ? Starts off as their own thing (Flacon/Sword Master) then takes on someone else's mantle (Captain America/Iron Fist)
@ yeah I guess, but then if they introduced Iron Fist, the Lin Lie version in Shang-Chi 2 we could get this awesome team up. Because apparently the second Shang-Chi movie from rumours will have a bit of focus on a Ten Rings fighting tournament and it would be a very good idea to introduce Iron Fist back into the MCU this way. Then we could maybe see like a solo project that either continues Lin Lie’s story or is like a prequel to the movie. But I do like your idea as well.
Lin Lie was developed by both NetEase and Marvel, so they decided to put their creation in the game. Possibly to help boost awareness of the character, as one of the reasons for his inclusion.
Mandarin is kinda messed up now thanks to how MCU handled him. So I get why not choosing him. But ShangChi case is more then baffling. He was so obvious, they could even sell an MCU skin for him xD
I like Lin, I haven’t read any of his comics but I like in Marvel rivals. The problem I have is with how Marvel treats Danny, especially with how bad the Netflix show was it’s completely destroyed any opportunities for him to appear in future movies or shows. I want Danny and Lin to co exist like Miles and Peter do, not for one to be slowly ignored in place of the newer model. I’d love to see either/both to appear in Shang Chi 2 or some other marvel project!
Imo Peter and miles don't really coexist that will I've definitely seen marvel trying to push Peter out and make it so only Miles would be the man spiderman
@ I think that may be an issue with basically every mentor and legacy characters because I noticed that too with Thor being replaced with Jane and them barely interacted, or how the both Ant-Men keep dying so the other can take over. Though I haven’t read every marvel comic so I may be wrong
@PaintSplashProductions Thor definitely has a good run going on in the main universe but man do they seem to hate Peter and want to push him out especially in the main universe, I don't have a problem with miles but him being shoved down everyone's throats actually made me dislike the character, well and the fact that he gets a new power up every issue or at least a new suit.
@ yeah I kinda wish they kept it like in Spiderverse or pre-Secret Wars. Just separate them and their universes so you don’t have to push away Peter to write a Miles story
3:05 Or he's white bc in every book, show or movie back then, every kun-fu/martial artist character was Asian and marvel wanted to make something different/ tell kids of races ( i think that's how it's spelled) that you can do this to or u can learn this to.
4:16 Hi there. A lot of People didn’t know Danny Rand has a Half Sister who born in K’un Lun. And the mother of his half sister is Asian woman who native to K’un Lun. Danny’s father also grew up in K’un Lun. He was Orsen Randall’s Ward. So Orsen Randall is technically Danny’s grandpa. So K’un Lun is within the family. Unlike the Netflix show, Davos has more a rivalry/grudge towards Danny’s father that leads into Danny himself. Because Danny’s father beaten Davos in a fight, to take the Iron Fist Trail. But Danny’s father didn’t get to take the Iron Fist trial. He escaped K’un Lun and live a Normal life. 4:47 Race to me doesn’t matter. 5:31 I agree. It doesn’t save the show. The show bad on its own. Except Davos. He is only good thing from the show. 7:09 I read the comic. When Danny First met Lin Lie, *Lin Lie literally ran away from Danny when Danny tried to help him.* Lin Lie accepted Danny as mentor at the end. Also that same comic made unnecessary jabs at Danny Rand. And that same comic gave an inaccurate history of Wu Ao Shi and K’un Lun’s history. That comic is really bad. 7:33 Sadly Marvel Killed off Danny Rand on his 50th anniversary. That is cold marvel. Really Cold. It sad that *Lin Lie cannot build his own legacy as Swordmaster.* That was Lin Lie’s original moniker before marvel made him into Iron Fist. Making Lin Lie into Iron Fist, is just Marvel saying Lin Lie is not good enough as he own identity as Swordmaster. He is not good enough to grow into a popular hero on his own. It is like Kamen Rider have to change his identity into Batman because he is not good enough. Or Ultraman has to become Captain America Or Luna Snow take the stage name Dazzler. No one would want that. Like there are new Asian characters that created at same time as Lin Lie and Luna Snow that people don’t about. Aero, Silver Fox, Crescent, Wave, and Tiger Division team *Marvel should just make Pei be the only Iron Fist.* She is born and raised in K’un Lun. She is Danny’s Ward. She train under him. She is an Asian character who had a fish out of Water story in America(Parallel into Danny’s youth in K’un Lun) Pei is Danny’s True Legacy Character. *Go Read Iron Fist: Living Weapon and Immortal Iron Fists by Kaare Andrews. It is worth your time* But no Pei lost her powers. Or she has it? Alyssa Wong is really inconsistent with their writing. But Pei is reduce into a side character rather than being Danny’s legacy. Lin Lie didn’t know who Danny Rand is, and he Ran Away from Danny Rand. Also Lin Lie literally cheated in the Iron Fist Trials. He didn’t beat the Dragon, he ask the dragon to lend his power to him. No. That is never how it works. Pei herself beat the Dragon. Why can’t Lin Lie? Because he say the dragon is his friend. Loki is the main witnesses. Curious there no interaction with Lin Lie and Loki in Marvel Rivals? Maybe Loki will spill the beans to Moon Knight how Lin Lie got his Iron Fist Mark. Well. Good thing Robert Kirkman made his inspired Iron Fist comic. *Fire Power.*
I'm ok with Marvel creating another Iron Fist. The problem is that they are downplaying and belittling Danny Rand's existence because of dumb politics.
Dumb politics?? He was created out of casual racism back in the day. What's next, will how have a meltdown that the Mandarin isn't portrayed as the racist stereotype anymore?
I feel like picking the chinese iron fist instead of danny rand wasn't 100% a racial, decision, it was also cuz they want to bring more unknown characters,
I remember when I shared the news of the new Iron Fist with an Asian friend of mine, who is a Marvel fan, and he was *FURIOUS* accusing Marvel of pandering by relying on the stereotype that "all Asians know kung fu." Like damn, I've never seen him that furious. I shared the news with other friends of mine, who are also Asian, and their reactions ranged from disappointment to anger because they genuinely liked Danny.
Most people who wanted an Asian iron fist didn't hate Danny rand but given the opportunity they would have preferred him to be Asian Batman has not only no reason to be Asian but Batman's perspective only works if he is a white guy
Funny that you mention Kingo from The Eternals, since in the original comics…he was actually based on Japanese mythology and was depicted as a Japanese person; not Indian/Hindu like his MCU version.
Yeah,that was what I'm thinking too.I also don't remember Sersi being Chinese,but here we are.The Eternals doesn't work as an argument here cause they've gone under a massive change
Damn bro I didn’t realise how much of a bigot I was thinking that iron fist SHOULD be Asian end-of-discussion. But the outsider-in-a-different-world idea is honestly a part of why I enjoy the iron-fist character that I couldn’t really put my finger on until now.
Yeah the criticisms towards Finn Jones are super weird. Usually people actively try to not target the actors and target the actual creative teams when made movies/shows are made, but with Iron Fist everyone bashes Finn Jones. The accusations of him not trying to learn the choreography came from one choreographer who ended up getting fired himself after season 1 anyway. So it really seems like those accusations were unfounded and just a shift of blame for the mediocre product. But everyone ran with it. Hopefully Marvel is smart and realizes recasting is completely unnecessary.
The origin was somewhat retconned leading up to the tournament of the heavenly cities. When Davos was brought back, a former Iron Fist was introduced and then the history of the Iron Fist was revealed. Danny's dad was heading to Kunlun because of his relationship with this Iron Fist. Not the white savior trope but it is the "kung fu" trope. By "Kung Fu" I mean the 1972 show with David Carradine playing Kwai Chang.
Even tho Danny is more of a "mighty whitey" than a white savior, leaving out the recent retcons, I dont really think they made him with prejudice in mind since he was created around the time when martial arts movies had EVERYONE wanting to participate in that genre. The whole issue with the Iron Fist show and Danny in general when it comes to media, is that people want an asian actor to be cast in the role AS DANNY. To me, that makes no sense because 1 being white is integral to Danny's character and 2 it plays into the "all characters based around martial arts must be played by asians" stereotype that I thought people were supposed to hate. Outside of that, Its cool there have been other Iron Fist, but with the show being so lackluster, I dont want them to start acting like Danny doesnt exist when he's the most well known version of the character, because he deserves a proper adaptation. I dont think it makes sense to add another IF to Rivals because the moveset would be the same, but if we see him in the MCU proper, I would hope it would be Danny.
honestly, Iron Fist is just a white martial artist power fantasy and that's fine. They want to have a strong martial artist that is perfectly ok. Nothing wrong with it, can you label it as something hateful or bash on it for being "distasteful" ABSOLUTELY but at the end of the day you gotta rememeber. that shit dont matter, some people dont like in n out, some people dont like burgers period, hell some people dont even like DINO NUGGIES. Im black, I love getting GOOD representation in stories, that can be said for ANYONE! I think white people deserve and get the chance to see some rugged badass white guy kick some ass.
I like Lin liei but as a Asian person I never found Danny racist really as a kid I loved him in ultimate spiderman if he wasn't as cocky and was as cool as Danny rand I would've liked him more.
5:00, This is perhaps one of the main reasons Danny being caucasian shouldn't be judged too harshly, that and K'un-Lun being founded by aliens and not humans. Even still, the city's Asian-coded culture being something of a plot device to get Danny powers is questionable, 6:11, but then again, so is the insinuation that only Asians should be allowed to depicted as martial artist characters in fiction.
Not a complaint, but just now I realized how weirdly similar the origin stories of Iron Fist and Green Arrow are, even more in their tv series versions. Both are blonde dudes who are rich billionaires, and while traveling with their families suffer a traumatic accident in the vessel transporting them, leading to them getting stranded in a remote location where they are forced to survive and learn martial arts and mysticism from a secret order of warriors. Eventually they return to civilization to discover the accident that killed their family was orchestrated by a former business associate and family friend who's now the main antagonist
Mighty Whitey, a trope of a character going to a different place and learning their ways and becoming the strongest, is a common trope in manga and specifically isekkai. This trope is also present among some mythologic as well.
Also concerning his creation, 1 they already have an Asian character that knew Kung Fu. They didn't needed another one, hence making him white. Also making him Asian would be technically more stereotypical. TBH. There's nothing wrong with him being white. I think it's awkward putting this version of him in Rivals considering who came first. I hope that they put Danny in Rivals at some point. He can not only use his powers for beating ppl up. He can also heal folks as well. Make him well rounded support. One that can switch between guns/fists. As for MCU that ship sailed. They could've done OG Iron Fist proper with the Netflix shows. Problem is they brought in idiots that didn't cared for the original property. Hence why it was not only a crappy show, but it was easily the lousiest show in the Marvel/ Netflix run. The fact that we got an actor for the role that won't even do his do his part & be on time for stunts/shoots. The cherry on top with a show doomed to be bad because the producers/writers didn't care for the source material. Hell even the intro music was crap! Marvel RN is too hinged on M-She-U to do him justice. 😐
Why make it about race? Dude learn martial in the snowy mountains. Is the people in the mountain Chinese? If so why is it a problem? And also 2 white dude create iron fist. I'm Asian and I relate to Peter parker because of who he is, not the color of his skin. We struggle the same thing in life.
As much as Danny Rand would've fit the role more, I'm willing to give Lin Lie a chance to shine. Already spent the most hours on him, and alongside Psylocke, Luna Snow, Cloak&Dagger, and recently Invisible Woman, he's my most favourite in the game. Danny Rand may join the game, but not as Iron Fist, considering that he comes back from the dead as Ghost Fist, according to the comics.
Here’s at least one good Asian character for people to check out who isn’t tied to just stereotypes. Go check out Amadeus Cho, the dudes cool, a super genius, has a cool friendship with Hercules, and has been hulk but eventually becomes brawn, basically a skinnier hulk. He’s a cool character imo if anyone wants to check him out. Now here’s the main problem with iron fist currently. They basically forced Lin Lie in as the iron fist after his swordmaster comic was a flop, and instead of Danny Rand mentoring him as the new iron fist or even interacting with him, they just deleted him from existence. Lin lie was just suddenly the new iron fist while Danny was no where to be seen. So the difference between him and miles is that one has a very interesting and captivating story in how he takes up the mantle, while the other got shoe horned in as a lazy way to make people stop complaining.
Wokies: "Only asian man can be Iron Fist" Racists: "Only asian man can be Iron Fist" But what most fun of it, Danny Rand was Iron Fist for 48 years, Lin Lin Iron Fist for 5 issues of very very virtue signaling comic book, and this ruins whole Lin Lie Swordmaster persona... just to make him a parody on Danny Rand, read it and you gonna understand what i mean, as Swordmaster he was more unique Lin Lie Swordmaster (12 issues) > Lin Lie Iron Fist (5 issues) But maybe i'm biased because as white guy i love Chinese wuxia cultivation stories, and flying swords my thing, but what kind of irony is that to be called racist for wanting unique representation for chinese character and not DEI injection leftovers ... like they do pretty much with everything, Captain Carol, Captain Falcon, Miles, Kamala, Amadeus Cho etc DEI gonna kill MCU so hard that even The Hood - idea that would be in power to replace Iron Man as new core for secret war, nah all of it gonna be just poof in the wind. And i found their "explanation" to be very funny as well, 'well you know it's 2099 world' - but somehow it didn't swapped other characters, mystery
I absolutely loved Danny Rand Iron Fist, I grew up reading both his original series and the Power Man and Iron Fist series. I've always thought he was really progressive for his time, had a true understanding and admiration for Asian cultures, his best friend and technically boss was a black man and if I'm not mistaken he and Misty Knight were one of the first interracial couples in comics. Also I agree with the Shang Chi folding. His movie was already very Iron Fist feeling because of his mother and her village.
I wouldn’t mind them bringing back Finn jones Danny Rand to have him usher in Lin Lie iron fist into the MCU. That way it keeps continuity, allows the MCU to work their way out of that version of Iron Fist, and allows an Asian actor to portray the character. It’s kinda of the best route imo but lmk if you disagree
I've never seen anyone get upset about a white Batman beating a bunch of Asians at H2H combat. So why's Danny Rand singled out for this by the twitter crowd? That aside the Danny Rand actor is a pretty bad choice but I don't see an issue with Danny Rand's origin as an Asian person. If that were the case we should be fair enough to have issues with Miles Morales Miguel O'Hara Ironheart female electro and anachronistically reinforcing that Bobby Drake iceman was gay all along when he really wasn't according to his creators Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.
It is worth pointing that the Iron Fist is a title you can earn. It's not a chosen one story, and thus, there have been countless asian Iron Fists before him. So it may feel a little weird at first but it's not really a big deal and there's nothing unethical about it. But just so we can have Danny Rand in Rivals, I think they should make him have Orson's chi powered guns and make him the Jessie McCree of Rivals. And make him a nice mix of cowboy+kung fu aesthetic.
Here’s the thing literally no Asians were actually complaining about iron fist. Like you can pretend like this a win for the Asian community but really it was just a publicity stunt. Like you’re getting played
I think the issue lies more with what made the Iron Fist character popular than anything else. I personally didn’t even think there was any other Iron Fist other than Danny because that was the only one I ever saw. When I saw that he was getting added, I was excited, and then quickly disappointed to see he was added but it wasn’t Danny. With that said, I came to like the design for this version of him and I realized it didn’t matter much anyways cause we’d just end up getting a skin for Danny eventually. Kinda wish we got this same character with his sword though cause that low-key seemed dope af. What bothers me is when people downplay Danny and act as if he never should’ve been the Iron Fist when the character is nothing without him. This kind of goes for all legacy characters for me apart from a small few that surpass the original character because the original wasn’t all that great. Best example I can give is Miles since he’s the most well known. He’s a cool character on his own but what bothered a lot of people when it came to his character is when it felt like they were trying to replace Peter when they haven’t even given him a proper conclusion. I’m all for the everyone can be Spider-Man thing but ultimately Peter Parker is THE Spider-Man. Anyone else who wants to make this about race or politics is just exposing themselves. This isn’t some woke move from Marvel, just something the devs probably wanted to do since they’re Chinese and wanted representation and I don’t think a majority of the normal people who were upset about this were upset cause they were racist but just that their favorite character got replaced for someone they probably didn’t know or care for.
Danny Rant's Iron Fist was in no way racist because the story didnt portray the white race as a superior to the Asian people~ These whole arguments of white savior and mighty whitey are so cringe because youre looking for and forcing and racist ideology to a story that wasnt racist in any way. There is nothing wrong for a white blonde haired, blue eyes character to be the main character in a story around Asian culture. Its only a problem if the story itself pushes this narrative that his white race is what makes him better than Asians, but no, Danny grew up orphan, worked hard and earned his title of Iron Fist~ I am Asian by the way, and as a Iron Fist player, I want Danny Rant in the game, I dont want Sword Master rebranded as Iron Fist when he has his own story and unique character design to show off as a Chinese Marvel character. I know he gets his title to Iron Fist in the comics, but so many other characters too. But Danny Rant is THE Iron Fist that I know and love. As an Asian, I want Danny Rant as a playable character~
Bro no one ever talks about Chuck Norris being in martial arts and white. So why does the fictional character of iron fist get the “racism” tag? Like let’s grow up and stop using race to start an issue and this is coming from a minority myself
I did feel it was important to mention within all this, Netease did play a role in Lin Lei's creation, so that may have influenced their decision to include him
Alright time to clear stuff up because people want to fight:
1. People are saying that the "all martial artists must be Asian" thing is a harmful stereotype that is perpetuated by characters like Lin Lie because it's too common. However, I can name very few mainstream comicbook characters that are Asian and have a focus on martial arts other than Shang-Chi. Lady Shiva? Cassandra Cain? Lol. I don't why people are so insistent that this is a burnt out trope when it makes sense that a character that is extremely proficient in martial arts is from Asia (where we can assume martial arts would have richer history and deeper culture). I'm obviously talking about the comicbook landscape rather than any other medium. If you have one single Asian character in a film franchise and his main purpose is to be a martial artist, then yes, that would be stereotypical. However, I'd argue that's different from a legacy title being passed down in a world where there are plenty of Asian characters that do other things. Who do we have in comics in terms of mainatream martial artists? Richard Dragon, Black Canary, Black Panther, Wildcat, Batman, Taskmaster etc. Many characters known for hand-to-hand combat aren't Asian in Marvel and DC comics.
2. To people who are adamant that there is nothing wrong with Danny Rand's creation, even when looking back at it now: If the story was instead set in Wakanda, Danny Rand was orphaned and was raised there, and gained the title of the Black Panther, do you still not see the issue? If you don't, then feel free to argue your points to any average IQ adult in real life and see how that goes.
3. I know it might be ironic of me to say this but it's not that serious people. These characters aren't real. No need to claim that Asians are being tricked by this change and being suckered into Mickey Mouse's tit and only YOU can see the strings. Trust me, we know that companies want more diversity, you're not special.
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I agree with your points (both in the video & this comment),but you really don't have to use a harsher language since most of the comments that opposes your opinions doesn't even curse or anything.If anything they're gonna have a hard time understanding your perspective.
One issue with the 2nd point, that exact thing happened. A white kid gets adopted by tchalla father, later on becomes the white wolf, the leader of wakanda police or special forces (i forgot).
He did become a villain because the usual i deserve better plot line and tries to kill BP, but fails and died on a volcano (i forgot).
BP as a title is an inherited power from Bast, for a random guy to just appear and be BP wouldn't make sense. Meanwhile Iron fist isn't specifically passed down to members of the same family/race/royal family, but whoever is worthy by i think the Thunderer or the guy that guard the gate in current modern comics.
Hulk and Thor had received training to become Iron fist though they didn't get the actual powers.
And Lin's Iron Fist doesn't actually use the same power as Danny's (the dragon thing) but rather from the Sword shard (which to be fair, comes from the dragon too i recall).
@@TrollBishbaalkin He's probably getting more at the idea of it to help people understand the point. And I can totally see where he's coming from
I get where you're coming from but Danny Rand as a character was not made out of this racist ideal. Before he made it to K'un Lun he was a rich bratty kid, he was ignorant about the ways of the world. It was through his training that opened his eyes about the world, and other cultures. The title of Iron Fist is earned not by race but by your CHARACTER. I mean Danny in the comics gave away ALL his money and assets when he learned where he it came from.
Can we atleast agree that we need a costume in marvel rivals based off the classic iron fist costume. With the dragon tatoo on the chest and the bandana.
We just got Thor classic look. I think they know people want some classic designs. But I think they need to make new qualitie of skins like mythic or something, with new voice actors and different voice lines. Not only Danny Rand iron fist. They could use ot for Miles Morales or Spider-Gwen. It would be great and cheaper than making new character.
@@Аноним-д3я NetEase revealed that characters who share a mantle (Spider-Man (Miles), Nova, etc) wouldn't be coming to the game as skins, but rather as their own characters.
I heard that they are going to a Danny Rand skin with his voicelined
@@Аноним-д3яmiles morales god no.
@@zzodysseuszzexactly. Dude has a whole new arsenal of skills plus the webs
I think it's important tobhave characters like Danny because it shows that people can appreciate cultures that aren't their own. He's always been very respectful and has an awesome history that shouldn't be erased for a different character.
It's also pretty derivative to make every matrial artist asian. There's martial artists in every country and Asian characters can do more than throw kicks. Let's broaden everyone's horizons and not get stuck in this tired old stereotype.
Solid point🔥🔥
Yeah but this "stereotypes" are cool and something many many of us look up to be able to do or have had looked up too
Exactly, they are talking about diversity but at the same time they are perpetuating stereotypes. They're basically saying that only Asians can be martial artists.
@@RaulMéndez-s9nit is a legacy character and only that. It isn't replacing the character just like how miles Morales isn't replacing Peter Parker.
@@RaulMéndez-s9nThat's exactly what these woke activists are saying and it's extremely annoying😒
Luke Cage was also built off tired tropes that didn’t age well but that doesn’t stop him from getting used now and recontextualized. I think Danny and Lin Lie both have a place. Peter and Mile coexist. I want to see more Ironfist and that includes Danny and Lin Lie.
I also want more Heroes for Hire projects.
I really want to see if Rivals can fit Luke in the game but more than that I want a Danny costume for Rivals. I haven't even played Iron Fist in game yet because I prefer Danny. I don't mind Lin Lie, I generally like legacy style heroes like how we get different Captain Americas and Ant-Men but I wish Danny was the default star like Peter without all the politics and drama
If Mile Morales Spiderman was in Rivals instead of Peter many white fans would have a collective conniption fit.
@@dragonhunter2343Have you seen how few vanguard there are? We could absolutely fit in Luke cage, we need help to bump those tank numbers up
Having a shared power energy a la Green Latern of 2 or little more of 4 people being Iron Fist. Heck tbe 2nd Ultimate Hulk has become into the Iron Fist. And is racist itself to say that every martial artists is Asian.
Cage and Danny have the same number of tv appearances it’s just cage has a superior actor portraying the character
honestly I feel like a Shang chi and Iron fist buddy-cop show would be fun. have them constantly fight each other to see who's better but ultimatley realize they need to lean on each others strengths
Ur cooking with this idea 🔥🔥🔥
They should do that if they do a sequel to Shang Chi, that would be epic.
Like cage erasure
Bro you're cooking but Pissney doesn't know how to cook...
@@kokuutou92Fr😂😂
Like I said; Marvel hasn't used Danny nearly enough to go with Lin.
They’ve used him a ton. He’s been in many tv shows and games. Hell, he even had his own tv show. This is just woke white identity politics
@@Anonymous-ee7siI agreed with you until the last sentence, what is woke to you?
@@moonwhooper Just as many largely right wing white Americans call everything that has to do with non white characters in media “woke.” I’m calling this very same identity politics woke too. Might as well at this point, now that the word has completely lost its meaning.
At the end of the day, Danny was created to be Iron Fist by Marvel because he was White. Whether ppl want to admit it or not, he’s literally a version of White affirmative action. Placed there so white readers interested in Asian culture could feel represented. Not to mention, the white guy in foreign land trope. I have no problem with that… but what I do have an issue with is White ppl feeling entitled to these mantles, and yet ironically- crying when a live version of The Little Mermaid is Black.
It’d be considered woke if they made Thor another race, yet some White ppl have no issue with how many movies/shows they themselves have whitewashed or rather, inserted themselves in a place in history where there were either none or very very few.
@@Anonymous-ee7si Those likes are ABSOLUTELY undeserved. It’s dunces like you and the 10 other fools that destroyed what ‘woke’ truly means.
@@moonwhooper He’s just another dimwit who doesn’t know what ‘woke’ really means.
I genuinely don't understand people having a problem with Danny not being Asian but when it comes to Moon Knight not being Egyptian they don't care
Moon knight's got a whole other awkward situation of a Jewish person being commanded and controlled by an Egyptian. This stemming from the fact his creator gave him the surname of a colleague not realizing it was a Jewish name, so he was made Jewish a little bit later on in the comics. I do believe people took issue with this.
Moon Knight being Jewish is WAY more problematic
True. Like, I get that Danny started as a "white savior" trope, but he hasn't been written that way for 30-40 years by now.
To be fair Marc being Jewish and rejecting it in favor of an egyptian god, which also ties into his stranded relationship with his father, does carry some strong symbolism.
@@drakegrandx5914he isn't a white savior trope
I just hate the way they straight up killed Danny Rand off in his own anniversary special, like bro lost the iron fist power, was just having a drink on his birthday and then got bodied. then poof gone. it sucks
As he came back alive by stuck his hand out of his grave
I hate the character so I couldn’t care less.
@@majorlazor5058 Don’t say anything at all if you have no nice things to say.
@@majorlazor5058who asked?
@@comicguy416 I do you one better
"Don't hate, if you can't elaborate on your hate."
as Moon Knight said : i know Iron Fist kid... you're not HIM
*What you were expecting, Danny Rand?*
Bro was expecting his boy Danny Rand
@@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099 Danny isn't his boy, those characters aren't even friends, Marc literally beat the shit out him and stole his powers in Age of Khonshu
It seems like that line might have been aimed for people like me, older comics fans that aren't aware of the character of Lin Lie using the Iron Fist name. The same can be said for Marvel Rival's Psylocke not being Betsy Braddock. Who is a character that is really problematic. Originally a white British telepath race swapped into a Japanese assassin... yikes.
Amen
By the way, we have Sai Psylocke in game and not Kwannon/Betsy too. And her epic skin is totally represent classic Psylocke which is kinda all about making people want buy a skin.
Betsy was the perfect British character. She colonized someone else.
Honestly when it comes to Psylocke I prefer that they went with Sai as the whole Betsy being a white woman who swapped bodies with an Asian woman is extremely odd especially in this age so just simplifying her to an Asian woman is the better pick imo
Classic Psylocke isn’t Betsy tho. Black haired Psylocke is Kwannon.
@@Bluejay-jg6hzThat was her backstory? That's really lame ngl
@@Bluejay-jg6hz Well right now Kwannon is Psylocke (The person's body that Betsy used for over 30 years), and now Betsy is Captain Britain. So at least the main Psylocke in the comics is actually Asian now, and not a British girl inside a Asian person body.
I don’t think Danny’s story is racist in any way. He learned from the people there and never believed he was above them.
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He's a white guy participating in someone else's culture and that's a big no no in today's political climate. Make him black though and no one would give a shit.
A white dude being the best martial artist just cries a white guy injecting himself into kungfu stories. I’ve never cared for the character.
Yup. If we make it seem as if you can only learn and work with your own kind, it wraps back around to lowkey tribalism.
Exactly, only ignorant SJWs who don't even read comics will write Danny off as "racist"
bro i had no idea about iron fists backstory, the pack of wolves caught me off guard
I'm not mad that Finn is white, I'm furious that he refused to learn ANY amount of fighting styles or even choreography for a TV show entirely based around being one of the best martial artists in the world.
But he DID. He was cast ONE MONTH before shooting started and spent the whole time training. He was a bad casting choice but the poor guy did try to make the most of it.
No he just wasn't given any time
No one got any time to prepare on that show. All five shows had to be made by a certain date, and Iron Fist, originally meant to be the second show, was in development hell for years, until they just rushed it out the door. The only reason Henwick's fights were decent was due to her background in dancing.
Just give him a danny skin
If they're different enough could just get Danny later, same as we'll get Miles Morales eventually.
danny aint got no sword lodged in his arm
@@nurpiet the sword doesn't change the gameplay at all, heck we can't even see it, also, it's not a full sword, it's the fragments of it
Just in case u didn't knew 👍
@@Notabot101You can see it though. Why you hit a party the sword is visible on the right arm
@@xrosslegends1279 honestly miles morales should not be in this game, a skin ya but not as a character
6:48: Marvel Comics already has several Korean-American characters, I don't think one of them being a K-pop star would be that big of a deal.
True but I think they're too obscure for him. Amadeus Cho have been running around way before Luna Snow.
I think it's a little on the nose to have one be a kpop star
@@ibrahimalee23 why? Kpop is SUPER popular, even outside Korea. It makes sense to have a character like that. What, do you want a kpop star that's a white woman??
@@ibrahimalee23well I mean, when she was made it wasn’t that Marvel wanted a Korean character, it’s that they wanted a Kpop character. Similar to LoL’s KDA, she was made with the purpose of making music under her name, hence why she’s a K-pop idol. Honestly it’d be odd if she wasn’t Korean
Also she is just Dazzler for a new generation
dont get me WRONG. lin lie is cool ig. but danny rand is MY GOAT my childhood favourite superhero and hes cool as fuck idgaf about politicking or whatever
If Iron Fist comes into the MCU I hope it’s Danny Rand simply because Shang Chi is already a really strong Asian martial artist with really powerful powers that need skill to be used effectively.
Most valid reason to get Danny in MCU, even tho Lin is cool asf
shang chi is a character of it own with the ten rings so I think there is no need for him to become an iron fist
But Danny Rand is in the MCU. The Netflix shows are canon. Hopefully we will see him again in some show or movie.
Ummm the Netflix series of Iron Fist is actually canon to the MCU already
So yea Danny, Matt, castle, and luke all exist already
@@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache I wish those shows were not canon, because they did Danny so wrong.
Honestly this is an American only problem because I'm from Mexico and I love Danny Rand, I think he's an awesome character. Like here in Mexico Peter Parker is more popular than miles, uncle Ben is more popular than miles . The fact that he's latino doesn't really do anything for his popularity here
But Miles is very popular in Puetro Rico and New York. He's not Mexican so I wouldn't expect him to be popular in Mexico, especially with Mexico being as racist as it is.
Yeah, Miles isn't tied to Mexican culture but he's tied to American black culture and Puerto Rican culture so he's vastly more popular in those communities. It's all about context and the communities in question. Different communities and cultures are gonna have different outlooks on these things, we puerto ricans hardly have any representation so we appreciate Miles way more than Peter. While there are characters like white tiger, there's no one else to grab on to. These characters aren't being pushed and there's literally no notable puerto rican character from DC. Representation does matter so no, it's not an American only issue. Clearly other countries do care as people south east Asian want better and more Representation for their communities hence the push.
Peter Parker is more popular everywhere, he's been spiderman for the past 80 years and has the most movies about him
pretty mutch an American only problem, i dont think anyone i know from any country gives a shit
@@ibrahimalee23 But he had his own Mexican comics where he ended up with gwen married and she didn't die
I also dont agree with danny being a "white savior" and its also the fact that for most of his life he grew up with the people of kunlun so he probably knows that culture more than his original culture
Exactly.
If we were to reframe this in a normal setting, it would be like if Danny was an American kid adopted into a multicultural family and embracing each of theirs so much from how accepted he felt amongst them that he wanted to share with others by either teaching languages at a school, teaching different Asia martial arts at his own dojo, opening his own restaurant, ...
Only for him to be fired/kicked out/get backlash from the public because he doesn't have the "right" ethnicity.
It's the same as the white wolf who became a wakandan by living there from a young age
Exactly. K'un-Lun saved Danny in more ways than one, not the other way around.
@@VarjoPiraHe addresses that Danny isn't a white savior in this video. I hope somewhere down the line Danny gets to be in Rivals.
Dany was like 4 or 5 when he was adopted
An interesting fact is that in the original ironfist run danny rand's father is from kun lun so if people of kun lun are asian then danny is atleast half asian.
I'll never understand how is racist to have a white martial artist trained in Asian ways oppose to having an Asian play the martial artist instead which is a literal stereotype
Fr, the difference is kind of cool to use
It's racist because white people aren't allowed to participate in other cultures apparently. It's just not the type of racism virtue signalers try to frame it to be. It is entirely racism against whites.
No one is saying it’s racist. Literally no one.
I’m saying Danny Rand as Iron Fist is dumb. With all the white heroes in Marvel it is just lazy to make Iron Fist yet another white dude. The show sucked because the premise sucks.
When Asians complain about the martial artist stereotype, we're complaining about being limited to that image. We're not complaining about the image itself. When you're limited to one niches, having that one niche taken away is especially annoying.
Imagine I have ten cookies and you have one. If you complain about having one cookie, the solution is not to take it away, give it to me, and leave you with zero.
@@majorlazor5058 "No one is saying it's racist"
>many examples of people saying it's racist
Lol good one
I think the idea that bothers me about Lin Lie’s inclusion is that he’s mostly a mid character. He was annoying and insufferable when he was Swordmaster and didn’t really “earn” the Iron Fist at all. He’s been Iron Fist for a total of 8 or 10 issues and unfortunately he’s just not as good as a character as Danny.
Hell, the iron fist comics literally had a successor for him already, her name was pei, it was his adoptive daughter that also had the iron fist, they just basically ignored her whole character and the potential of her as IF
@ I’m amazed someone still remembers Pei, that’s honestly impressive and I’m glad I’m not the only one
Ok so that run wasn't a fever dream
The reason he’s in the game was because since NetEase developed the character with Marvel, it just made sense.
The worst thing about the Netflix show is that Finn Jones was visibly the worst martial artist on the show. Allegedly, he didn’t do any serious training.
They should have cast an actor whose fight choreo learning curve would have been a lot smaller. Lewis Tan was right there, but there are also plenty of white actors with more stunt experience than Finn Jones.
He was just a weird choice.
Ok, dude, do your own research. finn jones did do hia own stunts. The creators ran tight ship, so before he could get any real training in jones, it was about 2 weeks into training before filming
@ Never said he didn’t do his own stunts. Just that he wasn’t skilled enough at them to sell the character.
If they were gonna cut corners on the training, then they should have found an actor who didn’t need a lot of it.
Yup, Coleen Wing's choreo made his look like shit.
Cough Scott Adkins cough cough Keanu Reeves
@@BoboftheOldeWays I mean, Lewis Tan had a martial arts background, and yet almost his entire fight was done by a stunt double. Compare that to Into the Badlands season 3 though, where he had time to prepare, and it looks great.
Just give me a classic Danny Rand skin from the comics for Marvel Rivals, and I’m cool.👌🏻
I love Danny I can’t lie, and I feel like Lin Lie should have been able to have his own character as sword master without becoming the Iron Fist. I understand the tropes associated with the character but I think he was still fleshed out enough to rise above his origins.
There was already an asian iron fist alongside Danny, her name is Pei and she's Danny's adoptive daughter, they just completely ignored her existence
@@matheusrubimdepaoli5409 prob because lin was made specifily for china originally
@ That's the thing, Lin was swordmaster before and was actually cool, he just sucks ass as iron fist, tell me why they took out all of his personality when they made him IF, he is just a wasted character to be honest
No. I don't.
People always say "make new, and original characters" , and when they do most times they aren't given a fair chance to build momentum.
They have to be a hit immediately, get pushed CRAZY by marvel, or else why would I care about that new character when I got already established names?
That's why we have mantle characters or characters tied close to established characters it's much easier to get them to stick.
It’s basically the same situation that happened with the new G.I Joe snake eyes movie where they made him asian instead of white
So?
@@fastforward9066I’m not complaining I’m just saying that it’s the same as what they did in the snake eyes movie nothing wrong just commenting
@@fastforward9066only Asians are allowed to do martial arts just like every soldier should be played by an American 🦅🦅🦅
@@fastforward9066man does martial arts… makes him Asian. What did “non racists” mean by that?
The problem is that isn't it funny that apparently only asian people are martial artists? Danny was supposed to stray from that stereotype, same with Snake Eyes. He was just a white man that was just that guy in the Arashikage. Daniel was just a breath of fresh air, simple cultural appreciation!
But somehow that's problematic now. Isn't it funny that by introducing a lot of "diversity" are just perpetuating stereotypes?
@@RaulMéndez-s9n that argument is getting old too. if we bring more diversity it’s so the world building feels more alive, coherent and realistic. the fact that danny has the trope of the white rich orphan kid that get raised by chinese people who teach him martial arts is a breath of fresh air to you all even if we’ve seen this dozen times already yet him being one other chinese dude among chinese monks is a stereotype. we’re talking about K'un-Lun and Shou-Lao, the fuck’s so wrong about Lin Lie receiving the mark of the Iron Fist after Danny Rand ? it’s not even like you people read any of the damn comics y’all would know he learned his place. there’s thousands of white meat eating heterosexual rich men in marvel, you’ll live.
@@RaulMéndez-s9nsomething i can think of: the DEi created black male lead characters, they just always have the Killmonger haircut and speak with the same “Wakanda” accent
@@malcovich_games how did DEI create those types of characters? It’s funny how white ppl are never accused of being tokens.
Did you not watch the video? Danny's original origin is literally the 'great white hope' stereotype. The same thing they make fun of the last samurai for.
I just don't like Lin Lei's clear animosity towards towards Danny Rand in his voice line(s)
Its because how people compare them its a meta statement he really respects Danny in the comics
Imagine if everyone around you kept comparing you to someone else, always praising that same person, I fell like he's actually respectful considering how much he's compared to danny
@@G-Ghosted ah, makes sense
What does Lin say in his voice lines? I always listen to the characters but im sure I haven't heard it all
Bro Danny is his mentor, he respects him so much. It's just an in-game voice line to show that Iron Fist is not just him but can be anybody. And BTW Thor trained to become Iron Fist and a Hulk was trained by Danny too.
I feel that alooooootttt of people who don't read comics say stuff like this, anyone who has basic knowledge of iron fist knows it's a moniker so anyone could be it
It was retconned dude….so the ppl would be right!?!
I feel like the general answer to issues of representation tends to be "make more of it, and make it different"
Like, no ONE character can be the "perfect Chinese representation". And it IS kind of unfair to expect that. It's not an issue that can be fixed just with Iron Fist, it needs to be fixed by making more diverse Chinese heroes IN GENERAL.
I love Chinese characters who are deeply tied to and defined by Chinese culture. But if every single Chinese character is only about being Chinese, that's ALSO an issue. I love Chinese kung fu heroes, I love Chinese fantasy, but I don't think every single Chinese hero NEEDS to be about kung fu or Chinese fantasy. Marvel has so many characters, there's room for characters that occupy a variety of niches, and Asian people shouldn't have to settle for EITHER "This character is ONLY about being Asian" and "This character is Asian but their Asian heritage is barely a part of their life", when they should be getting a variety of Asian characters representing a variety of experiences and cultural ideas.
Here's an idea. Maybe watch Chinese content, I don't get why the US has to "represent" everybody.
Agreed!
I agree with the first reply to be honest. I’m completely fine with representation when it makes sense. But actively changing decades old characters to fit a different identity group just for representation is so weird. Make new characters is always a solution. Iron Fist isn’t a “problem” that needs fixing. He’s a fictional character with his own identity and story that’s been told.
@@NoahToledo-xo5pjwhy should we have to go to chinese media just so we can see our culture and our people represented well in media? the reason why its so important for american and european media specifically to represent all these different races is because they have historically repressed and colonized these people into imperialist beliefs.
@@EldenLord78they're no really changing him, they're just passing on the mantle to a new character. danny rand is still a character in the marvel universe. his history as iron fist lives on and will be immortalized forever.
danny rand the goat, end of story
Eh
greatest of all time is crazy I think he's a good character but he don't deserve allat glaze
To each their own opinion, I suppose.
agree
Thank you for addressing this cause I never had an issue with Danny Rand as Iron Fist. Growing up I felt like Danny was an homage to american martial artists from the 70’s like John Saxon and Chuck Norris. I never saw Danny as a white savior but a man who overcame the impossible and became a better person as a result. There’s a huge difference between cultural appropriation and appreciation and there needs to be more of the latter.
I think it's kind of ridiculous to say we already have Shang Chi so we can't have Iron Fist because they are both martial artists. Every Martial Artist in comics has their unique flow to it. Danny can be more aggressive while Shang Chi strategizes with his rings more. The Combo potential is insane. Daredevil is more acrobatic, Luke Cage is a powerhouse, all of them have something special and people WIL watch it
My earliest childhood memory regarding Danny Rand is using him as a healer in Marvel Ultimate Alliance. I didn't know the character before then. I used to think that Danny Rand should be played by an Asian-American actor, preferably adopted by a white family, but my opinion on the matter changed a long time ago. Nowadays, I'd rather Marvel do the legwork in promoting lesser known non-white characters instead of race swapping established white characters. I think raceswapping is just lazy. A legacy character like Lin Lie being a new Iron Fist is the better move than just having Danny Rand be race swapped.
Race swapping isn't lazy inherently however companies who do it soully to cash in on the drama around it are gross its mostly done to stir up drama with white folk and thats why I don't like it not only does it create a divide because racists are loud even tho they make up a small amount of people but it also brings nothing to the character it also matters what the context is like some characters must be white like batman or steve rogers but characters like wonder woman not so much
Lin Lie, for me, is a weird choice for me. If they wanted an Asian martial artist, they could have gone with Shang-Chi or Lin's other alter ego: Swordmaster (but that would have been stepping on Magik's toes). Going with Lin Lie closes off one of the biggest draws to Iron Fist and thats his connection to Luke Cage and the Heroes for Hire.
I think a good way of bringing back Iron Fist into the MCU would be introducing Lin Lie, as the student of Danny Rand during the second Shang-Chi movie or in their own TV show, just like how Daredevil Born Again is a spin off of the Netflix show. This way we would not only get to see Iron Fist and Shang-Chi again (and working together) but it would also fix the current MCU Iron Fist complaints. I have some ideas for how this could work, Shang-Chi 2: we get the main Shang-Chi 2 story, whatever that may be, but alongside that we get introduced to Lin Lie who is introduced as Iron Fist to us, it could be a cool team up see what martial arts characters working together and they could also get the help from Danny Rand's Iron Fist during the film as well. Iron Fist Disney+ show: It could follow the story of Lin Lie, like in the comics, where he gets mentored by Danny Rand to becoming the new Iron Fist, that's my idea for the show so far. Obviously, its not all perfect as I just came up with this all just now, but I could see this working for the MCU.
Wouldnt it be more fitting for it to go for like a Sam Wilson kind of thing ?
Starts off as their own thing (Flacon/Sword Master) then takes on someone else's mantle (Captain America/Iron Fist)
@ yeah I guess, but then if they introduced Iron Fist, the Lin Lie version in Shang-Chi 2 we could get this awesome team up. Because apparently the second Shang-Chi movie from rumours will have a bit of focus on a Ten Rings fighting tournament and it would be a very good idea to introduce Iron Fist back into the MCU this way. Then we could maybe see like a solo project that either continues Lin Lie’s story or is like a prequel to the movie. But I do like your idea as well.
if they were gonna use a Chinese character why not Shang Shi, or the Mandarin that would be badass
maybe they're saving shang-chi for when his second movie comes out to maximize brand synergy
Lin Lie was developed by both NetEase and Marvel, so they decided to put their creation in the game. Possibly to help boost awareness of the character, as one of the reasons for his inclusion.
Mandarin is kinda messed up now thanks to how MCU handled him. So I get why not choosing him.
But ShangChi case is more then baffling. He was so obvious, they could even sell an MCU skin for him xD
I am not white and i think danny rand is still the "iron fist",as moon knight said to this kid who is iron fist in marvel rivals "ur not him,kid"
well he isn't gng, pack it up
@_sode yep danny rand the goat
NetEase created the character Lin Lie so really can't be shocked that they put him in their game
I like Lin, I haven’t read any of his comics but I like in Marvel rivals. The problem I have is with how Marvel treats Danny, especially with how bad the Netflix show was it’s completely destroyed any opportunities for him to appear in future movies or shows. I want Danny and Lin to co exist like Miles and Peter do, not for one to be slowly ignored in place of the newer model.
I’d love to see either/both to appear in Shang Chi 2 or some other marvel project!
Imo Peter and miles don't really coexist that will I've definitely seen marvel trying to push Peter out and make it so only Miles would be the man spiderman
@ I think that may be an issue with basically every mentor and legacy characters because I noticed that too with Thor being replaced with Jane and them barely interacted, or how the both Ant-Men keep dying so the other can take over. Though I haven’t read every marvel comic so I may be wrong
@PaintSplashProductions Thor definitely has a good run going on in the main universe but man do they seem to hate Peter and want to push him out especially in the main universe, I don't have a problem with miles but him being shoved down everyone's throats actually made me dislike the character, well and the fact that he gets a new power up every issue or at least a new suit.
@ yeah I kinda wish they kept it like in Spiderverse or pre-Secret Wars. Just separate them and their universes so you don’t have to push away Peter to write a Miles story
@PaintSplashProductions Yeah I agree hopefully my boy Miguel will see some shine again, was very cool to see him in the spiderverse movie
3:05 Or he's white bc in every book, show or movie back then, every kun-fu/martial artist character was Asian and marvel wanted to make something different/ tell kids of races ( i think that's how it's spelled) that you can do this to or u can learn this to.
4:16 Hi there.
A lot of People didn’t know Danny Rand has a Half Sister who born in K’un Lun. And the mother of his half sister is Asian woman who native to K’un Lun.
Danny’s father also grew up in K’un Lun. He was Orsen Randall’s Ward. So Orsen Randall is technically Danny’s grandpa. So K’un Lun is within the family.
Unlike the Netflix show, Davos has more a rivalry/grudge towards Danny’s father that leads into Danny himself. Because Danny’s father beaten Davos in a fight, to take the Iron Fist Trail. But Danny’s father didn’t get to take the Iron Fist trial. He escaped K’un Lun and live a Normal life.
4:47 Race to me doesn’t matter.
5:31 I agree. It doesn’t save the show. The show bad on its own. Except Davos. He is only good thing from the show.
7:09 I read the comic. When Danny First met Lin Lie, *Lin Lie literally ran away from Danny when Danny tried to help him.*
Lin Lie accepted Danny as mentor at the end.
Also that same comic made unnecessary jabs at Danny Rand. And that same comic gave an inaccurate history of Wu Ao Shi and K’un Lun’s history.
That comic is really bad.
7:33 Sadly Marvel Killed off Danny Rand on his 50th anniversary. That is cold marvel. Really Cold.
It sad that *Lin Lie cannot build his own legacy as Swordmaster.* That was Lin Lie’s original moniker before marvel made him into Iron Fist.
Making Lin Lie into Iron Fist, is just Marvel saying Lin Lie is not good enough as he own identity as Swordmaster. He is not good enough to grow into a popular hero on his own.
It is like Kamen Rider have to change his identity into Batman because he is not good enough.
Or Ultraman has to become Captain America
Or Luna Snow take the stage name Dazzler.
No one would want that.
Like there are new Asian characters that created at same time as Lin Lie and Luna Snow that people don’t about.
Aero, Silver Fox, Crescent, Wave, and Tiger Division team
*Marvel should just make Pei be the only Iron Fist.* She is born and raised in K’un Lun. She is Danny’s Ward. She train under him. She is an Asian character who had a fish out of Water story in America(Parallel into Danny’s youth in K’un Lun) Pei is Danny’s True Legacy Character.
*Go Read Iron Fist: Living Weapon and Immortal Iron Fists by Kaare Andrews. It is worth your time*
But no Pei lost her powers. Or she has it? Alyssa Wong is really inconsistent with their writing.
But Pei is reduce into a side character rather than being Danny’s legacy.
Lin Lie didn’t know who Danny Rand is, and he Ran Away from Danny Rand.
Also Lin Lie literally cheated in the Iron Fist Trials. He didn’t beat the Dragon, he ask the dragon to lend his power to him.
No. That is never how it works. Pei herself beat the Dragon. Why can’t Lin Lie? Because he say the dragon is his friend.
Loki is the main witnesses. Curious there no interaction with Lin Lie and Loki in Marvel Rivals? Maybe Loki will spill the beans to Moon Knight how Lin Lie got his Iron Fist Mark.
Well. Good thing Robert Kirkman made his inspired Iron Fist comic. *Fire Power.*
T_T
Rivals seem like a good introductiry to unknown characters. Which is good 👍 I never would have known of alternate psylocke and iron fist
I'm ok with Marvel creating another Iron Fist. The problem is that they are downplaying and belittling Danny Rand's existence because of dumb politics.
Dumb politics?? He was created out of casual racism back in the day. What's next, will how have a meltdown that the Mandarin isn't portrayed as the racist stereotype anymore?
It's not even politics, it's just their fear of potential political backlash. This is only an issue in the minds of Marvel's corporate overlords.
The Netflix show didn’t do Danny any favours.
@@BaithNa Potential?
Were you not there when Iron Fist tv show came out?
@@Crimson7458 Yeah that's true. Finn Jones casting and the writing overall were extremely bad, particularly in the first season.
I feel like picking the chinese iron fist instead of danny rand wasn't 100% a racial, decision, it was also cuz they want to bring more unknown characters,
1:08 Is that Pedro Pascal?!
I remember when I shared the news of the new Iron Fist with an Asian friend of mine, who is a Marvel fan, and he was *FURIOUS* accusing Marvel of pandering by relying on the stereotype that "all Asians know kung fu." Like damn, I've never seen him that furious. I shared the news with other friends of mine, who are also Asian, and their reactions ranged from disappointment to anger because they genuinely liked Danny.
But, No body has a problem with batman... Who does is the se a rich billionaire marrial artist and all the other ones
Most people who wanted an Asian iron fist didn't hate Danny rand but given the opportunity they would have preferred him to be Asian Batman has not only no reason to be Asian but Batman's perspective only works if he is a white guy
Same with Black Panther. He comes from an extremely rich family and has trained with martial artists across the globe, including in Asia.
Danny specifically uses Asian iconography tho
@BaithNa that doesn't make sense though. The guy is still Black Panther... he just happens to learn martial arts from asia
@@strombreakr yeah? So does Batman. Or are you forgetting that ninja shit.
I don’t care what race he is, I just think Danny’s drip is better… give the new boy better drip and problem solved tbh
Bro why are you makes a big deal about this. You literally the neck beard you are complaining about.
Funny that you mention Kingo from The Eternals, since in the original comics…he was actually based on Japanese mythology and was depicted as a Japanese person; not Indian/Hindu like his MCU version.
Yeah,that was what I'm thinking too.I also don't remember Sersi being Chinese,but here we are.The Eternals doesn't work as an argument here cause they've gone under a massive change
@ Okay then…what would be a better alternative example to use then? Someone like Whistler from Blade?
If Netease wanted an Asian Marvel character, why didn't they use Shang Chi?
The company made the character of Lin lie, thats why.
@@Mudaebot lin liei got his own comics before rivals
yes hes specificly made for china but not made by tehm
I know that he was not created for rivals, but he was created by a collab of marvel and Netease
Shang Chi is not popular in China
@@scrollexdestinyhe was created by them, they made the character in a collaboration with marvel
Damn bro I didn’t realise how much of a bigot I was thinking that iron fist SHOULD be Asian end-of-discussion. But the outsider-in-a-different-world idea is honestly a part of why I enjoy the iron-fist character that I couldn’t really put my finger on until now.
Finn jones need to come back to play iron fist in a Shang chi movie , he just needs good writing
And good choreography
Yeah the criticisms towards Finn Jones are super weird. Usually people actively try to not target the actors and target the actual creative teams when made movies/shows are made, but with Iron Fist everyone bashes Finn Jones. The accusations of him not trying to learn the choreography came from one choreographer who ended up getting fired himself after season 1 anyway. So it really seems like those accusations were unfounded and just a shift of blame for the mediocre product. But everyone ran with it. Hopefully Marvel is smart and realizes recasting is completely unnecessary.
The origin was somewhat retconned leading up to the tournament of the heavenly cities. When Davos was brought back, a former Iron Fist was introduced and then the history of the Iron Fist was revealed. Danny's dad was heading to Kunlun because of his relationship with this Iron Fist. Not the white savior trope but it is the "kung fu" trope. By "Kung Fu" I mean the 1972 show with David Carradine playing Kwai Chang.
They hate his white boy swag
4:10 "can't be racist because 'said place' is fictional" imagine saying this if the said place is Wakanda.
Do you think this has not been said…….are you new here????
Wait till people find out chuck norris exists
I always enjoy your take on things. It's so rare to see common sense presented in such an entertaining way! Keep up the great work!
Even tho Danny is more of a "mighty whitey" than a white savior, leaving out the recent retcons, I dont really think they made him with prejudice in mind since he was created around the time when martial arts movies had EVERYONE wanting to participate in that genre. The whole issue with the Iron Fist show and Danny in general when it comes to media, is that people want an asian actor to be cast in the role AS DANNY. To me, that makes no sense because 1 being white is integral to Danny's character and 2 it plays into the "all characters based around martial arts must be played by asians" stereotype that I thought people were supposed to hate.
Outside of that, Its cool there have been other Iron Fist, but with the show being so lackluster, I dont want them to start acting like Danny doesnt exist when he's the most well known version of the character, because he deserves a proper adaptation. I dont think it makes sense to add another IF to Rivals because the moveset would be the same, but if we see him in the MCU proper, I would hope it would be Danny.
One of the reasons they made Danny white is because Shang-Chi was created a year prior.
honestly, Iron Fist is just a white martial artist power fantasy and that's fine. They want to have a strong martial artist that is perfectly ok. Nothing wrong with it, can you label it as something hateful or bash on it for being "distasteful" ABSOLUTELY but at the end of the day you gotta rememeber. that shit dont matter, some people dont like in n out, some people dont like burgers period, hell some people dont even like DINO NUGGIES.
Im black, I love getting GOOD representation in stories, that can be said for ANYONE! I think white people deserve and get the chance to see some rugged badass white guy kick some ass.
"Mighty Whitey" has got to be one of the most blatantly racist terms I've ever heard in my life, like holy fuck! 😂
Explain why.
Trust me, there's worse terms
@@Mr.Starpop I learned of few playing marvel rivals 💀
Because it is. 😂
That's the least offensive racial term ever 😂
I like Lin liei but as a Asian person I never found Danny racist really as a kid I loved him in ultimate spiderman if he wasn't as cocky and was as cool as Danny rand I would've liked him more.
Y’all worried bout iron fist but why aren’t we speaking about marvel calling a black villain cottonmouth 😭😭
Lmfaoo
To be fair, iirc, in the comics he was a snake.
Yeah. Like the snake...
A Tournament movie would be so sick
5:00, This is perhaps one of the main reasons Danny being caucasian shouldn't be judged too harshly, that and K'un-Lun being founded by aliens and not humans.
Even still, the city's Asian-coded culture being something of a plot device to get Danny powers is questionable, 6:11, but then again, so is the insinuation that only Asians should be allowed to depicted as martial artist characters in fiction.
I just want Danny Rand skin i will play the character 10x more in his original green and the white gold outfits
Danny Rand's Iron Fist deserves more respect.
Not a complaint, but just now I realized how weirdly similar the origin stories of Iron Fist and Green Arrow are, even more in their tv series versions. Both are blonde dudes who are rich billionaires, and while traveling with their families suffer a traumatic accident in the vessel transporting them, leading to them getting stranded in a remote location where they are forced to survive and learn martial arts and mysticism from a secret order of warriors. Eventually they return to civilization to discover the accident that killed their family was orchestrated by a former business associate and family friend who's now the main antagonist
Calling the Danny Rand character racist is crazy, the first interracial kiss in comics was Danny Rand and Misty Knight
Mighty Whitey, a trope of a character going to a different place and learning their ways and becoming the strongest, is a common trope in manga and specifically isekkai. This trope is also present among some mythologic as well.
Also concerning his creation, 1 they already have an Asian character that knew Kung Fu. They didn't needed another one, hence making him white. Also making him Asian would be technically more stereotypical. TBH. There's nothing wrong with him being white. I think it's awkward putting this version of him in Rivals considering who came first. I hope that they put Danny in Rivals at some point. He can not only use his powers for beating ppl up. He can also heal folks as well. Make him well rounded support. One that can switch between guns/fists. As for MCU that ship sailed. They could've done OG Iron Fist proper with the Netflix shows. Problem is they brought in idiots that didn't cared for the original property. Hence why it was not only a crappy show, but it was easily the lousiest show in the Marvel/ Netflix run. The fact that we got an actor for the role that won't even do his do his part & be on time for stunts/shoots. The cherry on top with a show doomed to be bad because the producers/writers didn't care for the source material. Hell even the intro music was crap! Marvel RN is too hinged on M-She-U to do him justice. 😐
Iron fist is already unique making him another Shang Chi takes away from that unique identity
Why make it about race? Dude learn martial in the snowy mountains. Is the people in the mountain Chinese? If so why is it a problem?
And also 2 white dude create iron fist. I'm Asian and I relate to Peter parker because of who he is, not the color of his skin. We struggle the same thing in life.
As much as Danny Rand would've fit the role more, I'm willing to give Lin Lie a chance to shine. Already spent the most hours on him, and alongside Psylocke, Luna Snow, Cloak&Dagger, and recently Invisible Woman, he's my most favourite in the game. Danny Rand may join the game, but not as Iron Fist, considering that he comes back from the dead as Ghost Fist, according to the comics.
I love Danny rand I grew up with him too. But Lin lee seems cool too.
I want to see Danny Ran "Iron Fist"
Gotta love how a character that's only been around for #8 issues (2 irl months) gets priority over Danny Rand who been around for over 50yrs
Here’s at least one good Asian character for people to check out who isn’t tied to just stereotypes. Go check out Amadeus Cho, the dudes cool, a super genius, has a cool friendship with Hercules, and has been hulk but eventually becomes brawn, basically a skinnier hulk. He’s a cool character imo if anyone wants to check him out.
Now here’s the main problem with iron fist currently. They basically forced Lin Lie in as the iron fist after his swordmaster comic was a flop, and instead of Danny Rand mentoring him as the new iron fist or even interacting with him, they just deleted him from existence. Lin lie was just suddenly the new iron fist while Danny was no where to be seen.
So the difference between him and miles is that one has a very interesting and captivating story in how he takes up the mantle, while the other got shoe horned in as a lazy way to make people stop complaining.
Wokies: "Only asian man can be Iron Fist"
Racists: "Only asian man can be Iron Fist"
But what most fun of it, Danny Rand was Iron Fist for 48 years, Lin Lin Iron Fist for 5 issues of very very virtue signaling comic book, and this ruins whole Lin Lie Swordmaster persona... just to make him a parody on Danny Rand, read it and you gonna understand what i mean, as Swordmaster he was more unique
Lin Lie Swordmaster (12 issues) > Lin Lie Iron Fist (5 issues)
But maybe i'm biased because as white guy i love Chinese wuxia cultivation stories, and flying swords my thing, but what kind of irony is that to be called racist for wanting unique representation for chinese character and not DEI injection leftovers ... like they do pretty much with everything, Captain Carol, Captain Falcon, Miles, Kamala, Amadeus Cho etc DEI gonna kill MCU so hard that even The Hood - idea that would be in power to replace Iron Man as new core for secret war, nah all of it gonna be just poof in the wind.
And i found their "explanation" to be very funny as well, 'well you know it's 2099 world' - but somehow it didn't swapped other characters, mystery
I'm convinced nobody in these comments watched the video or know how to engage with representations of race in media
Me personally, I don’t care
I absolutely loved Danny Rand Iron Fist, I grew up reading both his original series and the Power Man and Iron Fist series. I've always thought he was really progressive for his time, had a true understanding and admiration for Asian cultures, his best friend and technically boss was a black man and if I'm not mistaken he and Misty Knight were one of the first interracial couples in comics.
Also I agree with the Shang Chi folding. His movie was already very Iron Fist feeling because of his mother and her village.
Lin is just boring as fuck we need Danny back
Also: Netease actually made Lin Lei as the Swordmaster before he got changed to Iron Fist in the comics
Danny Rand > any other iron fist
I wouldn’t mind them bringing back Finn jones Danny Rand to have him usher in Lin Lie iron fist into the MCU. That way it keeps continuity, allows the MCU to work their way out of that version of Iron Fist, and allows an Asian actor to portray the character. It’s kinda of the best route imo but lmk if you disagree
Also maybe Finn Jones can redeem his version a bit similar to how Andrew Garfield redeemed his Spider-Man
I've never seen anyone get upset about a white Batman beating a bunch of Asians at H2H combat. So why's Danny Rand singled out for this by the twitter crowd? That aside the Danny Rand actor is a pretty bad choice but I don't see an issue with Danny Rand's origin as an Asian person. If that were the case we should be fair enough to have issues with Miles Morales Miguel O'Hara Ironheart female electro and anachronistically reinforcing that Bobby Drake iceman was gay all along when he really wasn't according to his creators Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.
It is worth pointing that the Iron Fist is a title you can earn. It's not a chosen one story, and thus, there have been countless asian Iron Fists before him. So it may feel a little weird at first but it's not really a big deal and there's nothing unethical about it.
But just so we can have Danny Rand in Rivals, I think they should make him have Orson's chi powered guns and make him the Jessie McCree of Rivals. And make him a nice mix of cowboy+kung fu aesthetic.
Here’s the thing literally no Asians were actually complaining about iron fist. Like you can pretend like this a win for the Asian community but really it was just a publicity stunt. Like you’re getting played
asians were complaining when the Iron Fist netflix show was airing calling it racist
@@fkjfkrmrkprogressives from America that have nothing in common with Asian culture or behavior don’t count. I bet they all have White boyfriends lol
7:17 Now I understand why some random said "Taiwan" in my game I was so confused on what they meant
0:36 yea bro explain why one is justified over the other
I mean one mantel is related to a culture and the other one isn’t
@@spaceman6693New York culture
@@Gamfluent right so a black spiderman makes just as much sense as a white spiderman based on new york culture
@ nope
@@Gamfluent how?
I think the issue lies more with what made the Iron Fist character popular than anything else. I personally didn’t even think there was any other Iron Fist other than Danny because that was the only one I ever saw. When I saw that he was getting added, I was excited, and then quickly disappointed to see he was added but it wasn’t Danny. With that said, I came to like the design for this version of him and I realized it didn’t matter much anyways cause we’d just end up getting a skin for Danny eventually. Kinda wish we got this same character with his sword though cause that low-key seemed dope af.
What bothers me is when people downplay Danny and act as if he never should’ve been the Iron Fist when the character is nothing without him. This kind of goes for all legacy characters for me apart from a small few that surpass the original character because the original wasn’t all that great. Best example I can give is Miles since he’s the most well known. He’s a cool character on his own but what bothered a lot of people when it came to his character is when it felt like they were trying to replace Peter when they haven’t even given him a proper conclusion. I’m all for the everyone can be Spider-Man thing but ultimately Peter Parker is THE Spider-Man. Anyone else who wants to make this about race or politics is just exposing themselves. This isn’t some woke move from Marvel, just something the devs probably wanted to do since they’re Chinese and wanted representation and I don’t think a majority of the normal people who were upset about this were upset cause they were racist but just that their favorite character got replaced for someone they probably didn’t know or care for.
Danny Rant's Iron Fist was in no way racist because the story didnt portray the white race as a superior to the Asian people~
These whole arguments of white savior and mighty whitey are so cringe because youre looking for and forcing and racist ideology to a story that wasnt racist in any way. There is nothing wrong for a white blonde haired, blue eyes character to be the main character in a story around Asian culture. Its only a problem if the story itself pushes this narrative that his white race is what makes him better than Asians, but no, Danny grew up orphan, worked hard and earned his title of Iron Fist~
I am Asian by the way, and as a Iron Fist player, I want Danny Rant in the game, I dont want Sword Master rebranded as Iron Fist when he has his own story and unique character design to show off as a Chinese Marvel character. I know he gets his title to Iron Fist in the comics, but so many other characters too. But Danny Rant is THE Iron Fist that I know and love. As an Asian, I want Danny Rant as a playable character~
classic iron fist could take all my money
Bro no one ever talks about Chuck Norris being in martial arts and white. So why does the fictional character of iron fist get the “racism” tag? Like let’s grow up and stop using race to start an issue and this is coming from a minority myself
Also, everyone in the UFC is a martial artist and they come from every country
I did feel it was important to mention within all this, Netease did play a role in Lin Lei's creation, so that may have influenced their decision to include him
As an outsider: idc the new iron fist looks sick as hell. I think this whole ordeal isn’t that deep
bruh. jaden in karate kid is the same by that logic
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