St Marks fäktargille - Kungsbacka
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Given how beaten up the swords are here, you know for sure that's not how they fought or dueled before. Ancient steel wouldn't handle that. A lot of modern interpretations of HEMA are wrong, given the metallurgical clues.
it's not really ancient though. we're talking 400-600 years, depending on school and tradition, and my guess is that the steel could handle it fine. even if it couldn't, I'm sure it could be replaced. easier than replacing knights.
@@gordonlekfors2708 for context, i'm a bladesmith, i've done a fair amount of research on old blades and ancient metallurgy, and while after the second half of the 14th century, steel got significantly better (before that, most blades weren't tempered at all), seeing how much their blades flex in the video tells me it's probably too much, their sword would bend or break. Why? Beacause nowadays hema swords are made from modern crucible spring steel with improves toughness (45si7, 55si7, 5160...). Basically they will take a beating without consequences, where a blade made from folded steel won't like that at all, ESPECIALLY if the Smith is anything short of a master (i've been reading a blacksmithing book from the late 1700s, and only the best cutlers seem to really take the time to evaluate the carbon content of each part of the steel bars they buy, how they should be quenched, not to let the grains grow etc.
When i practiced hema, we were using la fior di battaglia of Fiore, where he explicitly says "if your opponent lets his sword too low on the ground, you can step on it to block it, wich will bend it such that he wouldn't be able to sell it afterwards".
I know Ian from That Works thinks ancient steel wouldn't survive a modern hema practice, and therefore they must have used their swords differently. Of course damaging your blade is fine as long as you survive, but there it would result in a broken blade, and therefore death.
@@jeanladoire4141 Thank you for your interesting points. Since I am actually a blacksmith originally myself, I take great pleasure in talking about this stuff. The metallurgy today is of course a lot better than historically, but when looking at historical swords you will see a lot of flex in them. The surviving feders (similar to the feders used here) are actually a lot thinner, especially at the end, and far more flexible for the most part. The problem with them, for our use, is that they are actually a lot whippier than modern reconstructions. And the reason for that is that they had to have lower mass since people wore less protective gear.
@@stmarkfencing interesting. Did they show bites and dents across the blade? What was the carbon content/temper?
I know i made one of my first swords from low grade mild steel, but beacause it was somewhat work hardened, it had quite a lot of spring and flexibility to it (but of course striking anything hard with the edge would leave a big dent)
@@jeanladoire4141 I don't have the carbon content, not sure if someone has looked at that for the feders. Several have marks from parries though, but I haven't really looked into how dented they are. Dents are very common in sharp swords though. If you look for the video where Adam Savage visits the MET there's one famous example of a Feder that he looks at there and you can see some very typical dents that you'd see in a modern Feder too. He also flexes one of the swords, although not the Feder and they talk about how many of the swords are very flexible and thin. You are right though, we know that metallurgy could be tricky back in the day and that swords broke. There are quite a few accounts of that. But of course, a lot of the swords that survive in collections/museums are either high quality ones (that's why they survived) or earth finds that have been degraded by nature. So it's often not easy to say exactly what was typical.