Save Time With One Crimp AMP Superseal Contacts
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- Imagine if you could halve the amount of crimping required for AMP Superseal contacts on your next medium to large scale wiring project/s?
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Used by MoTeC, Haltech, Link, FuelTech and more, the AMP Superseal 1.0 connector is a standard in the aftermarket ECU industry. One niggle however on larger scale wiring projects is the fact that the standard terminal requires 2 crimps, one on the body and another over the insulation.
While this isn't a deal breaker for those doing a low volume, it is a gripe for those at the other end of the spectrum and Race Spec offers a solution with a custom solid contact which requires only one crimp via an DMC MH860 crimp tool and corresponding die.
This is something squarely aimed at the professional 'mass production' end of the motorsport market and something Andre was keen to test himself while shooting more material for the Professional Motorsport Wiring Course recently.
While not shown here, a backshell and booting are strongly recommended to finish the job, topics also covered in the wiring course material for you over at: hpcdmy.co/hpa
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TIME STAMPS:
0:00 - Race Spec SS 1.0 Solid Contact
1:00 - The Problem These Solve: Crimping Time
2:35 - Standard Contact Crimping Example
3:20 - Annoying For Bulk Bespoke Production
3:40 - Race Spec One Piece Closed Barrel Contact
4:45 - DMC MH680 Crimp Tool
5:30 - Race Spec Contact Crimping Example
6:15 - Fitting to SuperSeal Connector
6:37 - Backshell and Boot Recommended
7:05 - Mating Cycles: Not Always Considered!
7:50 - The Downside: Do Require Correct Tooling
8:56 - Thumbs Up, Free Lesson!
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I always love seeing HPA discuss crimps and terminals
Thanks for the support, High Performance Academy and RaceSpec! We are happy to be part of the motorsport industry.
@DMCTOOLS is there a turret head or positioner available for the AF8 to crimp these Superseal socket contacts?
@@Dusto5 Hey Dusto! Could you provide us with the exact contact part numbers being used?
FYI they made double crimp dies to crimp the conductor and insulation in one go. About $60 vs $650 and can use generic included terminals
What company? Rennsteig and Racespec have dies but not for $60
Racespec make one, I used one yesterday! 👍 quick precise and easy!
Up until recently, the only die set that would perform both operations in one cycle was the spec TE tool ($2k per (3) contact sizes = $6k or a Rennsteig piece that was designed for OE grade wire (as in not Tefzel 😎).
As Ccooxxyy mentioned Race Spec also designed a die in conjuction with Rennsteig too if you prefer that for wire with thinner insulation: racespeconline.com/collections/newest-arrivals/products/rennsteig-amp-superseal-1-0-die-set-race-spec-exclusive?
It is worth mentioning the specs on these contacts are also different to the generic AMP ones. They have designed them to be better, it's not just the single crimp function alone.
Not here to push them down your throat, you either need/want/have an application that warrants them or you don't, just sharing the information - Taz.
Well yeah, but if you did it for a living it would properly make sense, time is money as they say.
These also look great for soldering
Love your videos! Really high quality! 👌🏼
Cheers mate! We are always aiming to improve year by year where we can 😎 Appreciate the support - Taz.
Nice!
BTW, the UA-cam app (iOS) now allows pinch/zoom with image clarity. Great for the crimp overhead shots.
Yes great tip! Cheers Mario - Taz.
I always double crimp even if single crimp tool did it in one go :) I really want to make sure I made a strong and reliable crimp
Really thanks to joel for inventing this product…i wont use it on my personal car…but in future i will keep it on my mind if there are others who need the service.
TE/RaceWire now has similar contacts that use standard Deutsch DTM and M22520 tooling which most assemblers already have. Not sure why Racespec went with a custom positioner.
Klauke K 58/2 or something similar should be able to press this in one operation. the other connectors are of course better but they are not free.
I believe up until recently, the only die set that would perform both operations in one cycle was the spec TE tool ($2k per (3) contact sizes = $6k or a Rennsteig piece that was designed for OE grade wire (as in not Tefzel 😎) - Taz.
They look close to Deutsch connectors and pins, how are they different other than the barrel pinch? J1939 has been standardized to these for years now, by far the easiest connector to service over years of hard usage.
I have these and their spec'd crimp tool and it is wonderful. Definitely recommend.
They look nice! probably getting closer to the quality of rc connections I regard most connections in automotive industry as Junk! These are getting there! edit-thought they were just brass but hearing the whole vid these are looking the goods👍
RaceSpec closed barrel SS terms are gold plated.
@@Ori3ntal3Xpr3ss yes it’s been well thought out! I’d like to see the difference in amps capability! and long term stress test compared with the conventional pin with integrated strain relief vs silicone push on
@@needmoreboost6369 amp capacity meets and exceeds what the housing can withstand. Tensile strength can be seen on the RaceSpec website on the SS page.
Any chance you can use these terminals with a DTM crimper and still get a reliable crimp?
Great question, not something I have tried personally. You could ask Race Spec if they have tested that. I'd imagine they did, but never hurts to ask - Taz.
Not recommended the MH860 does have positioners for DTM pins though
FYI, you have been doing this the hard way all these years Andre! MilspecWiring sell the correct crimp tool for these connectors, it holds the terminal securely and crimps both crimps at the same time. I have had one for 15years, so they have been available for a long time.
Up until recently, the only die set that would perform both operations in one cycle was the spec TE tool ($2k per (3) contact sizes = $6k or a Rennsteig piece that was designed for OE grade wire (as in not Tefzel 😎).
Is that what you have been using or something else? - Taz.
@@hpa101 Yes Rennsteig. About 500usd complete tool and jaws. Yes when I got mine 15 years ago only oe type insulation size was supported but many more jaws (about 350usd) now available.
If you can now buy a tool for similar price to the racespec tool then why not use the correct AMP specified superseal 1.0 terminal, it has the insulation restraint which is not available with the bespoke racespec terminal.
I’ll save the $500+ dollars in tooling myself and do the double crimp
Certainly an option! You can 'over tool' for your use case and needs just as much as you can 'under tool' - Taz.
No strain relieve on the isolation of the pin? There should be crimp tools that do both of the clamps in 1 motion (at least i had them years back when i worked on printer wiring connectors, had pins just like the first ones in this video)
You're correct, for about $60 and you save on not needing special pins.
I could maybe understand the crazy cost if it wasn't also an inferior design
I bought a set that is supposed to do both crimps at once from snapon (bluepoint) - haven't found a single terminal that lines up with the die correctly yet lol.
The SS 1.0 connector body incorporates a mat seal, similar to a Deutsch DTM/DT, and a much thinner version than the dielectric found on a MIL/Autosport connector.
Race Spec strongly encourage people to use a back shell and boot while using their contact in order to obtain greater strain relief than the factory S/F contact offered. Goes with out saying the average hobbyist will still be twitching about the cost before they ever had a problem in that regard, even with the connector exposed.
@@sneh2j00 sounds about right! Previously you could get a tool from TE but all up it will cost you around 6k. The idea behind this is a superior contact and a simple crimp solution. It won't suit everyone and not everyone needs these tools and materials by a long shot, but since released a year ago many people have benefitted from this product without fault.
Nothing wrong with learning about something even if it doesn't fit your application personally or professionally - Taz.
@@yeahitskimmel what tool are you using that is $60 alone for this? - Taz.
these are the same as in avionics
Isn't that a duetz plug ? Been used for the last 30 years in earth moving machines
No sir. The AMP Superseal connector is not a new kid on the block either - Taz.
$587 bucks for a fancy deutsch crimper damn what a bargain
Yes you want to benefit from a few aspects here, noting the contacts are not just made to the same standard either 😉
As mentioned by Andre, not cheap, and not for everyone by any means, but still interesting to learn about we hope 😎 - Taz.
Some electrical tape and wire nuts have always worked for me 🤣
I mean technically I guess that's an option for some! Show us a picture of your ECU wiring job please while I fetch some popcorn though 😅 - Taz.
That does not look like the correct positioner for that contact. The crimp is way too low.
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