Kat Williams called these women “light skin ugly faced wives”…

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  • @jayelee7112
    @jayelee7112 9 місяців тому +1317

    I think people aren't used to light skinned women being called ugly or weird faced. Most of the comedians who Katt checked have called dark skinned Black women ugly and it was never debated. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder he is allowed to have his opinion

    • @queenquaymocomedy
      @queenquaymocomedy 8 місяців тому +88

      Exactly

    • @astridediva
      @astridediva 8 місяців тому +1

      Yup . They’re getting a reality check. Colorism made y’all think that every light skin person was attractive

    • @tonimartin8547
      @tonimartin8547 8 місяців тому +1

      But Katt was in a relationship with a weird-faced colorist lightskin woman as well...Hazel E

    • @owlspeacewisdom
      @owlspeacewisdom 8 місяців тому +198

      Your absolutely correct. And of course this UA-camr wants to debate this because oh my she's in the same boat as the women katt Williams was speaking of😂😂

    • @psionicpowers132
      @psionicpowers132 8 місяців тому +130

      Tables are turning and they hate it😂

  • @sbss924
    @sbss924 9 місяців тому +986

    As a dark Black woman, here is the thing, when these men are making jokes about Black women in their comedy, they are not talking about women who look like their wives, they are talking about women who look like me, dark, Black. That's what I believe.

    • @theceech
      @theceech 9 місяців тому +233

      yup, so many people clown on dark skin and associate it with unattractiveness, meanwhile some of them are dark men themselves

    • @sunmoonrising81
      @sunmoonrising81 9 місяців тому +1

      Thats why i want kat to rub them out

    • @MsJonessss
      @MsJonessss 9 місяців тому +1

      Also, people often don’t discuss this but those dark skin men want their children to look a certain way. They don’t want their children to come out dark, which is disgusting. And I bet these woman know like homegirl from Mary Mary.

    • @Willow-cw9te
      @Willow-cw9te 9 місяців тому +133

      @@theceechand unattractive 😂, but they’re obsessed with making fun of us

    • @berrygirlfinn
      @berrygirlfinn 9 місяців тому +75

      And everyone KNOWS it. Stop playin’ in peoples face!

  • @JoannaMiller-vo6bk
    @JoannaMiller-vo6bk 8 місяців тому +124

    He meant just because your light, doesn't mean your attractive. Alot of me think so. But not all❤

  • @astridediva
    @astridediva 8 місяців тому +1286

    Colorism made y’all think that every light skin person was attractive

    • @replyingonyoutube
      @replyingonyoutube 8 місяців тому

      And it made others think those light skin women were the enemy. If you’re “black” and dislike someone that’s also “black” of a different hue then you’re colorist as well. I could never have hate towards my lighter relatives nor the ones darker than me y’all are lost thinkers with this unreal man made mentality.

    • @Genesisonetwentyseven
      @Genesisonetwentyseven 8 місяців тому +113

      Colorism made you think that everybody thought all light skin people were attractive...heal sis quickly

    • @metalbabee
      @metalbabee 8 місяців тому +218

      ​@@Genesisonetwentyseven girl bye 💀 In nearly every community and culture around the world, light is seen as better and more attractive, especially in women. Even in cartoons they draw female animals lighter than the males.

    • @chinaarlene7035
      @chinaarlene7035 8 місяців тому

      ​@@Genesisonetwentysevenhit dog hollering!! She's fragile like a Karen confronted on her white privilege 😂😂😂

    • @dylanjamessparks
      @dylanjamessparks 8 місяців тому

      ​@@metalbabee theres a reason my babooned faced friend

  • @rosseryankeegirl
    @rosseryankeegirl 9 місяців тому +701

    Yeahhh I think he was really talking about the colorism with these blàck males and how they Always...I mean Always pick a lighter skinned woman.

    • @nox7282
      @nox7282 9 місяців тому +87

      Agreed, but he really didn’t have to call them ugly to do that 😂

    • @dannidazzle
      @dannidazzle 9 місяців тому +112

      Exactly pointing out this odd trend in Hollywood.... Of black men placing certain types of women on a pedestal over others.

    • @alee111
      @alee111 9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@dannidazzleits not odd or new. Frankly since Hollywood's creation bm have chosen lighter partners. Just confirmation thier weakminded as a collective.

    • @jasibae00
      @jasibae00 9 місяців тому +37

      ​@@nox7282He has a right to his own opinion.

    • @AminaPhilosophy
      @AminaPhilosophy 9 місяців тому

      @@nox7282they ARE ugly. Especially when you compare them to pure Blk Women that they could have chosen for partners. Lol.
      I can’t wait for blk women to completely stop supporting these colorist entertainers.

  • @ceholmes24
    @ceholmes24 8 місяців тому +67

    I lot of light skin and biracial wives are mearly average (this includes the OP who would be considered undesirable, especially in the White community as it appears she is biracial, so according to their standard of beauty, this TikToker ain’t it). It’s just that in blackistan, colorism is a thing and BM rarely challenge LSBW or biracial women’s “beauty” as often as they do unambiguous BW. Our features, complexion and hair texture is constantly under attack. LSBW or biracials rarely are critized for their proximity to whiteness, even if they are average looking. Nothing wrong with what Katt Williams said. Just because someone is light skin (or biracial) does not mean they are automatically beautiful. Science determines beauty, not BMs self hate 🤷🏽‍♀️

    • @tamarapowell8982
      @tamarapowell8982 8 місяців тому +10

      You sound bitter but Kat himself doesn’t have any room to speak when he dated hazel e from love and hip hop

    • @pacyguy7144
      @pacyguy7144 8 місяців тому +5

      Cope

    • @GOTZ-pe5vl
      @GOTZ-pe5vl 8 місяців тому +5

      Blackstan!?, or Blackmenistan?

    • @bre7931
      @bre7931 8 місяців тому

      This might be true for everyone. I mean, the majority of dark skinned women are literally not attractive and that’s fine

    • @Crgb777
      @Crgb777 8 місяців тому +9

      Girl what 😅 I'm lightskin biracial and I can't count who loves me more ~ Black and white men love us the same. More importantly though, why do you feel the need to tear down other women? You don't need to tear others down to elevate yourself. Every woman is capable of beauty.

  • @coolyungdru
    @coolyungdru 8 місяців тому +38

    It's not about them being ugly. His point was that these people are all running the same formula.

  • @kamalasheiress4035
    @kamalasheiress4035 8 місяців тому +122

    uh, katt never said they were ‘ugly’. I think he said they were “weird-faced” meaning of a certain privilege, class and plastic surgeries.

  • @ianwhitfield1696
    @ianwhitfield1696 9 місяців тому +1263

    She disagrees because she is one of them…..

    • @tmxgurl
      @tmxgurl 9 місяців тому +195

      BRUH FACTS😂😂😂

    • @turquoisepurple7sky151
      @turquoisepurple7sky151 8 місяців тому +88

      😂😂😂😂

    • @qdigggs
      @qdigggs 8 місяців тому +61

      😂😂

    • @qdigggs
      @qdigggs 8 місяців тому +74

      @DivineQueen10 some might say who are you to say what you just said about kat William’s physical appearance? It’s all opinion 😁

    • @shaddai-gadrehuisrael7390
      @shaddai-gadrehuisrael7390 8 місяців тому +57

      They all got on layers of makeup anyway, not even what they really look like

  • @tiggerta72able
    @tiggerta72able 8 місяців тому +313

    He's speaking on an esoteric level. This is part of the social engineering to minimize beautiful black women with Afrocentric features. No one complains when people disrespect dark skin women. I'm on the lighter side if the spectrum and WAS NOT OFFENDED! I hate colorism!

    • @mile_851
      @mile_851 8 місяців тому +9

      So you did read the women in the comments saying light-skinned are ugly and weird looking...
      Being dark-skinned doesn't stop people from being colorists really

    • @firstnamelastname4427
      @firstnamelastname4427 8 місяців тому +47

      @@mile_851 No one in the comments said any such thing, stop reaching. They were saying Katt was right about those comedians' wives! And most of those women are mixed race anyway, not Black. It's not colorist for Black people to not worship light skinned mixed women!

    • @dmg.2443
      @dmg.2443 8 місяців тому +3

      Is.that why Katt ended with Hazel E?

    • @aliciaalicia2255
      @aliciaalicia2255 8 місяців тому

      This whole thing is reaching and took out of context therefore this video in its self is stupid asf

    • @firstnamelastname4427
      @firstnamelastname4427 8 місяців тому

      @@dmg.2443 Didn't he dump her?

  • @queensade1325
    @queensade1325 9 місяців тому +1817

    He didn’t say ugly, he said “weird faced,” and he was accurate.

    • @KieraBreaugh
      @KieraBreaugh  9 місяців тому +241

      He said both actually

    • @MizoletteTV
      @MizoletteTV 9 місяців тому +138

      I definitely heard him say ugly faced lol. I watch the whole 2 hours 46 minutes and 5 seconds.

    • @thewordsmith5440
      @thewordsmith5440 9 місяців тому +217

      @@KieraBreaugh I don't think all light skin women are ugly but I think people can't deal with people saying light skin women are ugly because in there minds a light skin womans looks should never be Criticized. Eniko isn't light skin she has loose curls and brown skin. I noticed whenever a black women is brown skin with loose curls they start calling her light skin. Eniko can look odd sometimes but she is still pretty. Ludacris wife is pretty but some of those other women are kinda weird in the face.

    • @Rosemary46840
      @Rosemary46840 9 місяців тому +47

      But that's not accurate though, they look better than most people

    • @queensade1325
      @queensade1325 9 місяців тому +129

      @@Rosemary46840 They have odd features. They aren’t ugly, but they do have odd features.

  • @indigogirl5172
    @indigogirl5172 9 місяців тому +345

    Mine thing is…WHY have non of these men that responded to Katt, clapped back at him for disrespecting their wives. If someone called my partner ugly, best believe I would be on their necks. Why they so quiet though? Not one of them defended their wife. Wild.

    • @medtle1
      @medtle1 9 місяців тому +52

      Look at what happened to Will Smith when he defended Jada Pinkett Smith from Chris Rock's distasteful jokes about her. It wasn't even the first time Chris Rock made horrible jokes about her nor the first time he said terrible things at a awards show nor the first time he has expressed problematic beliefs nor even the only controversial thing he said at that awards show, yet people (especially cis straight guys) got mad at Will for "making a scene" and "acting improper" and "not able to take a joke" instead of at Chris Rock for degrading Jada Pinkett Smith (again) and saying problematic stuff (again).

    • @indigogirl5172
      @indigogirl5172 9 місяців тому +114

      @@medtle1 I am talking about, when ALL these dudes responded to Katt on social media; they called Katt crazy, said he was on drugs, said they were not Illuminati, etc….but in the midst of that they could not say at any point ‘my wife is gorgeous, beautiful, etc…don’t disrespect her…” Not one of them said a peep. This makes Katt so much more believable.

    • @medtle1
      @medtle1 9 місяців тому +1

      @@indigogirl5172 Ah. Gotcha. Yeah, it is so weird that these guys don't defend their wives while criticizing Katt Williams. Maybe Katt Williams deliberately said that to see how those guys would react (and expose them if they reacted exactly how he think they would react). Well, not only did Katt Williams got a lot of attention (thanks to those guys), but he accidentally exposed how those guys feel about women (including women like their wives and women they are attracted to). [I don't think Katt expected none of the guys he called out to defend their wives; pretty sure he expected at least one of those guys to defend their wife. (God, even Ted cruz defended his wife from donald trump for one short moment and ted cruz is well known for being evil.) Honestly, a lot of those guys "calling him out" could have just said nothing at all and move on with their day, but then they wouldn't get media attention if they did so. If Chris rock didn't use the manosphere, alt-right, and white ignorance to benefit from the will smith slap, he probably would have called out katt williams as well.]

    • @tonimartin8547
      @tonimartin8547 9 місяців тому +86

      Bc they agreed.... they were blinded by their lightness once they got over it, it was too late, they were married with kids

    • @GJ-yl9wv
      @GJ-yl9wv 9 місяців тому +23

      ​@@tonimartin8547 Oop!

  • @angelr5694
    @angelr5694 9 місяців тому +212

    I don't condone what he said about these women in the interviews, but these women were perfectly fine with these men bashing their first wives or girlfriends that came up with these comedians and being the trophy wise that they are. I don't think anyone's a girls girl in the situation.

    • @asdfqwert7712
      @asdfqwert7712 9 місяців тому

      Because girls are always in competition with each other even with men they date and the other women there current man has dated youd be surprised most women hate there mans ex more than he does and they aint even met them

    • @pollicollopy5850
      @pollicollopy5850 9 місяців тому +16

      🎯

    • @percfranklin8287
      @percfranklin8287 8 місяців тому +14

      Bingo

    • @adamsamuel8593
      @adamsamuel8593 8 місяців тому

      Its called not wasting their time on responding to a useless past comedian fool who needs to bash people to be relevant

  • @kamalasheiress4035
    @kamalasheiress4035 8 місяців тому +52

    Ironically, when Katt is dropping bombs, it seems to hit people differently.

  • @YKSB5
    @YKSB5 8 місяців тому +81

    They got the desired light-skinned woman that weren't drop dead bomb-shells, whilst having a history of bashing dark-skinned women. Otherwise, the pattern he's point out would be blantantly obvious. Whether they are objectively or subjectively good looking isn't the topic at hand...

    • @ceholmes24
      @ceholmes24 8 місяців тому

      Exactly. A lot of these celebrity wives are biracial, meaning they aren’t desirable in their non black communities and they were made aware of that. Truth be told, a lot of biracial women especially feel self conscious about their looks because they feel as if that drop of black blood taints them. Because Brad will never put a biracial on the pedestal like he would a pure white woman, many biracials feel unworthy only for Blackistan to tell them the opposite - that they are more desirable and even more beautiful than unambiguous BW. So even when they are average or unattractive, they feel better knowing that at least their proximity to whiteness gives them a leg up that can only be leveraged in the BC unlike the non black communities that they belong too.

  • @theoreticalviews2939
    @theoreticalviews2939 9 місяців тому +233

    Lol😂 it certainly is disconcerting and troubling when of the great untouchable "golden calf" symbols of falsehood gets called out. For a black male to call a light skinned woman "ugly" is to literally challenge an entire cultural campaign of indoctrination and ridiculous racialization of aesthetic analysis. A lot of feelings were hurt. Hopefully this will help open up a lot of eyes 👀

    • @MamaHarperr
      @MamaHarperr 8 місяців тому +30

      Here it isss!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

    • @miriamhavard7621
      @miriamhavard7621 8 місяців тому +7

      🤷

    • @Love-Fashion-Makeup
      @Love-Fashion-Makeup 8 місяців тому

      It’s funny y’all never keep this energy with the real perpetuators of colorism. White people. The people y’all love to put on your “bad wig” for in exchange of a “soft life” but I know y’all won’t ever wake that up 🤭

    • @deborahtillman9866
      @deborahtillman9866 8 місяців тому +21

      PREACH!!! Well said!!

    • @Ressa9
      @Ressa9 8 місяців тому +48

      Yes agreed, they ain’t use to the “light skinned” being synonymous with “ugliness” he was purposely emphasizing these two things for that reason

  • @blaackberry
    @blaackberry 9 місяців тому +410

    Im not gonna lie... they ARE all weird faced including Eniko who does indeed look like a model... but arent models known for looking slightly weird!?
    But no, theyre not ugly at all. I think he switched from ugly to weird to be less aggressed towards innocents. There were already so many strays being caught. Shannon caught a FEW himself 😂

    • @l.b.5187
      @l.b.5187 9 місяців тому +68

      Agreed. When he was describing how Jonathan Majors looked, Shannon just had to agree. And when he stated that WW could potentially end your career, Shannon just took a drink.😳😳

    • @MsJonessss
      @MsJonessss 9 місяців тому +28

      @@l.b.5187Jonathan majors is a fool. 😂. Lol he ran to a black reporter to do an interview though. Idk when it will air, sometime next week.

    • @knowvilleknows1075
      @knowvilleknows1075 9 місяців тому +16

      If they were dark skinned with the same features you wouldn’t say that. They’d be rated 10/10. You definitely would say Adut Akech is weird looking

    • @tigerunicornpegases
      @tigerunicornpegases 9 місяців тому +15

      Cuz he def threw some when he was talking bout Jonathan Majors 😭 this interview was alllll over the place

    • @JuMiMi86
      @JuMiMi86 9 місяців тому +1

      I agree too 😂

  • @BlackberryTitties
    @BlackberryTitties 9 місяців тому +296

    He said “weird!
    I mean they have a face full of makeup. Kevin Harts wife is cute. But I feel like you feel offended because you’re light skinned / mix race.
    Anyhow just say that you’re offended! It’s not that serious!
    A lot of light skinned women feel like they are the better woman even though they get treated the same or sometimes worse than the darker skinned women by these same males who put them on a pedestal! 🎉🎉🎉

    • @Love-Fashion-Makeup
      @Love-Fashion-Makeup 8 місяців тому +1

      Is that why lightskin women are more likely to get married than darkskin women? Y’all anger is displaced. Like it has always been. Y’all are upset, jealous and angry that the men that look like y’all would rather bring slavery back than be in a relationship with y’all however that is not light skin women’s issue.

    • @queenlotussupreme6290
      @queenlotussupreme6290 8 місяців тому

      period sis! Light skin women aren’t use to being viewed as unattractive. All of these women indeed have weird faces including Majorie Harvey

    • @devanshepard9118
      @devanshepard9118 8 місяців тому +12

      The wives don't look weird to me though. Most of them arm to be black and Asian so they have those features but they are not weird looking. I honestly think people take stuff longer this to far and to serious

    • @Jstwatching
      @Jstwatching 8 місяців тому +61

      And she has the same “weird” face as them. It hit home lol.

    • @shaunb7003
      @shaunb7003 8 місяців тому +25

      Kevin’s wife is a home wrecker

  • @pearlpearl3806
    @pearlpearl3806 9 місяців тому +213

    He wasn't talking about Dave Chappelle. And Dave Chappelles wife isn't light skinned she's Asian

    • @cfoster6804
      @cfoster6804 8 місяців тому +27

      Yeah I was wondering why she threw that in there.

    • @BrownSkinDarkChild
      @BrownSkinDarkChild 8 місяців тому +17

      Yeah, and she was with him before he was famous.

    • @ertfgghhhh
      @ertfgghhhh 8 місяців тому +15

      ​@@BrownSkinDarkChildhe has been famous since 16, a kid. He was a premiere comedian in dc area. so your statement is untrue. She knew what she was doing. By 18, he was hailed as the best new comedian in the nation by white comedic elites

    • @lonelyenchantress2172
      @lonelyenchantress2172 8 місяців тому +34

      She's a light-skinned Asian believe it or not, there are dark skin Asians

    • @deniseparker3614
      @deniseparker3614 8 місяців тому +10

      ​@@lonelyenchantress2172you took the words out of my mouth.The Indigenous People are dark .People like to skip over that part Lol.Black People have no problem when all of the jokes are about Darker Black Women & take offense when he states his opinion on lighter women & he didn't say all just the comedians mentioned.

  • @MizoletteTV
    @MizoletteTV 9 місяців тому +191

    Katt said nobody ain’t ever talked to these wives. They don’t do interviews and nobody knows who they are. He said this can apply to seven people tho. 😂

    • @MyMelanin
      @MyMelanin 8 місяців тому +2

      Robots, clones, and handlers 😮

    • @unclemoneybags1022
      @unclemoneybags1022 8 місяців тому +1

      He was definitely talking about the wives of Mike Epps, Lil Rell, Ludacris, Kevin Hart & Faison Love.😆 I can't think of the other 2 though. Maybe Tracey Morgan and Steve Harvey as well.

    • @mandyk510
      @mandyk510 8 місяців тому +1

      @@unclemoneybags1022probably wasn’t talking about Mike Epps’ wife…she’s known in their industry…but maybe Cedric’s wife

  • @IAmYoGaGaL-EnerGieS
    @IAmYoGaGaL-EnerGieS 9 місяців тому +78

    He said weird-not ugly. Let’s get the quote correct.

    • @cleoajavon6556
      @cleoajavon6556 7 місяців тому +2

      It’s still problematic. If he would have called a bunch of dark skin black women « weird faces », no one would have defended it.

    • @joesmolo4131
      @joesmolo4131 5 місяців тому +1

      @@cleoajavon6556Taking a bite of the apple and not the core. The quote was referring to something more, the leadup to the quote is what Katt was trying to convey.

  • @cecib2055
    @cecib2055 8 місяців тому +388

    Some people are really bothered by Katt's description of these women BUT it's his opinion. An albino gorilla is STILL a gorilla. People aren't pretty because they're closer to White.

    • @chinaarlene7035
      @chinaarlene7035 8 місяців тому +60

      In the black mans mind they are. #Conquered.

    • @tris87don16
      @tris87don16 8 місяців тому +2

      Demonetised 🗣️🤣🤣

    • @kandy8762
      @kandy8762 8 місяців тому +19

      @@chinaarlene7035not all black men sorry to disappoint you some black men only love black women… period.

    • @chinaarlene7035
      @chinaarlene7035 8 місяців тому

      @kandy8762 lol yeah, the ones who look closer to white.

    • @YAHUAHbetheonlysavior.
      @YAHUAHbetheonlysavior. 8 місяців тому

      ​@@kandy8762...very hard to find them , hear from them , or see them tho.

  • @lilmorsecody
    @lilmorsecody 9 місяців тому +512

    theyre all better looking than their husbands 😅

    • @MsJonessss
      @MsJonessss 9 місяців тому +28

      I’m thinking the same thing. 😂

    • @Susan-lq3ck
      @Susan-lq3ck 9 місяців тому

      You are making one of Katt Williams points. It appears that light skinned women are offended and defensive about Katt Williams statement. Now they are getting a taste of what Black women are routinely subjected to and mostly by dark skinned Black men and their lighter skinned preferences. Dark skinned Black women are routinely judged and described by the European standards as ugly and less desirable based on their Afrocentric phenotype. Funny, the same Black men are now getting dragged by their lighter-skinned preferences that they are not physically attractive. Ooh... So what's their true attraction to the darker skinned Black men??? 💰

    • @voltear
      @voltear 9 місяців тому +10

      In a weird way, yea your right

    • @ronbzoom8531
      @ronbzoom8531 9 місяців тому +8

      $$$$$

    • @alucardvekkia3966
      @alucardvekkia3966 9 місяців тому +20

      Same with 90% of straight couples tbh, my girl is way hotter than me 😎

  • @thinktankindi2664
    @thinktankindi2664 9 місяців тому +110

    He was saying...possibly that they were basic. Its like the same with white mens obsession with blondes. The narrow appreciation of beauty is so basic.

    • @letscr8512
      @letscr8512 9 місяців тому +10

      Exactly until recently I didn’t even know blonde is beautiful,

    • @equivalentexchangeisalie5726
      @equivalentexchangeisalie5726 9 місяців тому +1

      @@letscr8512And why's that?

    • @villyv444
      @villyv444 8 місяців тому +7

      I like that “narrow appreciation for beauty “

    • @athomewithhollie
      @athomewithhollie 8 місяців тому

      @@letscr8512they still do nothing for my eyes…

    • @TH-eb7ob
      @TH-eb7ob 8 місяців тому +4

      ​@equivalentexchangeisalie5726 I think it's associated with youth because blonde hair often gets darker for a lot of people as they get older. OR maybe it's another form of racism, idk

  • @13579hee
    @13579hee 8 місяців тому +33

    They are odd looking 😬

    • @donnapug
      @donnapug 8 місяців тому +2

      Facts

    • @Fartiosa
      @Fartiosa 8 місяців тому

      Who's not odd looking cuz I'm pretty sure you a*nt sh*t compared to these women. 😂

  • @tmxgurl
    @tmxgurl 9 місяців тому +192

    Gurl, why would you even make this video unless you're tryna have your feelings hurt? Colorism can't be reversed dear. He said what he said.

    • @charchartime1701
      @charchartime1701 8 місяців тому +36

      She tried it!

    • @paperplate4675
      @paperplate4675 8 місяців тому

      Colorism can't be reversed because colorism is the discrimination of skin tones. Darker skinned people are colorist towards lighter skin people it's facts.

    • @Genesisonetwentyseven
      @Genesisonetwentyseven 8 місяців тому +12

      Katt really gave you wings huh

    • @chinaarlene7035
      @chinaarlene7035 8 місяців тому +27

      ​@@Genesisonetwentyseven no, Malcom X did. Katt is just being honest.

    • @20ice47
      @20ice47 8 місяців тому

      ​​@@Genesisonetwentyseven If Tiny is really forcing women to have SEX with her & TI that is a problem. But you probably think it's impressive since Tiny is light skinned.

  • @Greatful0374
    @Greatful0374 8 місяців тому +60

    He’s 💯 accurate

    • @Greatful0374
      @Greatful0374 8 місяців тому +9

      The only thing he missed saying was they wanted anything that doesn’t look like them nor their mothers.

  • @BetsyWells-od6nf
    @BetsyWells-od6nf 8 місяців тому +36

    Just goes to show tho for some of us light skinned women that love to boast and brag about "I'm light skinned wit good hair, i'm better than darker skinned women", but see that's the thing having light skin and good hair has absolutely nothin to do wit them facial features, if you ugly you ugly Period!😂 No matter how bright the skin is. thinkin that's what attracts every man when not all men will think your just beyond the most beautiful above all women in the world just because you have light skin and good hair. Kat sent a wake up call for some of ya'll. There's Beautiful and Ugly in every race of people no matter what the color of their skin is or the texture of their hair. Bye the way before anybody start wit the hate speech i am black and native and yea I'm of a lighter skin tone so don't push it My daughter's has a darker skin tone and I'm just sick of the light skinned dark skinned I'm better than B.S.🙄

    • @Jellybean_j99
      @Jellybean_j99 8 місяців тому +6

      I’ve never heard a light skin/mixed black woman say this ever. I’ve only heard dark skin men say this.

    • @BetsyWells-od6nf
      @BetsyWells-od6nf 8 місяців тому +7

      @@Jellybean_j99 it's a new day for everything. Welcome sis.

    • @lisamichelle5238
      @lisamichelle5238 8 місяців тому +6

      What's "good hair"? It sounds like you might be referring to hair that is on the wavy or curly side with less texture. If so, does that make it automatically good?

    • @BetsyWells-od6nf
      @BetsyWells-od6nf 8 місяців тому

      @@lisamichelle5238 can you read?

    • @BetsyWells-od6nf
      @BetsyWells-od6nf 8 місяців тому

      @@lisamichelle5238 it's sounds like you're mad and mixed🙄

  • @KatiesArabVision
    @KatiesArabVision 8 місяців тому +17

    He’s allowed to have an opinion and you’re allowed to not agree with that opinion. Simple as that, and we moving on.

  • @andreaj4266
    @andreaj4266 8 місяців тому +17

    He said what he said and he was accurate.

  • @abbieC88
    @abbieC88 9 місяців тому +37

    Someone really made a video about this 😂😂

  • @desixox
    @desixox 8 місяців тому +69

    I died and I’m light skin, it’s not always that serious lmaoo 😂😂😂

    • @Fartiosa
      @Fartiosa 8 місяців тому

      RIGHT?! It's like their obsession with us and us thinking we're prettier!

    • @investirenafriquedepuisloccide
      @investirenafriquedepuisloccide 8 місяців тому +4

      ​@@Fartiosanobody is obssesed with you smh 😂😂😂😂

  • @francescapowell1538
    @francescapowell1538 9 місяців тому +14

    He wasn’t wrong… they do look weird in the face.

  • @southernblackbelle33
    @southernblackbelle33 9 місяців тому +52

    Hit dogs 😂😂😂

    • @cygnevara8400
      @cygnevara8400 8 місяців тому +10

      ...bingo...

    • @sunnydelight5255
      @sunnydelight5255 8 місяців тому +1

      B people like you have been hollering for centuries.

  • @rochellethundercloud346
    @rochellethundercloud346 9 місяців тому +54

    You might not see these women as ugly,but katt Williams does..to each their own.
    But,he is out of line to make those comments.that,yes, I agree.

  • @Will502x
    @Will502x 8 місяців тому +33

    Your insecurities are showing 😂

  • @orilocs
    @orilocs 9 місяців тому +13

    I think what he meant was light skinned, and any kind of face would be ok, as long as they are light skinned.

  • @qdigggs
    @qdigggs 8 місяців тому +88

    You just saying that because you’re lightskinned 😂😂

    • @rickyronny4019
      @rickyronny4019 8 місяців тому +29

      Ikr. Some Light skin people can’t live in a world where people don’t immediately fall head over heels for them just cuz of their skin tone 😂

    • @sunnydelight5255
      @sunnydelight5255 8 місяців тому +6

      @@rickyronny4019Thats what YOU are ASSuming. And none of these women are unattractive.

    • @GlacieraBr1de
      @GlacieraBr1de 8 місяців тому +2

      Jealousy is like:

    • @thesunofgod.
      @thesunofgod. 8 місяців тому

      @@GlacieraBr1de you mad af lol…it’s always jealousy with you 🤡s lol.

    • @pacyguy7144
      @pacyguy7144 8 місяців тому

      ​@@rickyronny4019cope

  • @reese2354
    @reese2354 9 місяців тому +17

    100% said weird faced

  • @zyrxom
    @zyrxom 8 місяців тому +11

    I think he was point out that the different groups each have similar looking women and it isn’t a coincidence it is planned that way.

  • @89Mirageman
    @89Mirageman 8 місяців тому +11

    Katt said nothing negative about Dave Chappelle because he knows better.
    And he has zero room to talk about anybody else's weird face.

    • @SheIsFearfullyWonderfullyMade
      @SheIsFearfullyWonderfullyMade 8 місяців тому

      Right, Katt is weird looking so I’m confused why he thought it was a good idea to call innocent women “weird” faced… he has a weird face, height, voice and he dated a weird face women Hazel E

  • @lalaland2024
    @lalaland2024 8 місяців тому +21

    Katt dated Hazel E...he's just trash talking, don't be upset 😂😂

    • @sunnydelight5255
      @sunnydelight5255 8 місяців тому +2

      Girl you are beautiful

    • @lalaland2024
      @lalaland2024 8 місяців тому +2

      @sunnydelight5255 aww thanks so much :)

    • @lonelyenchantress2172
      @lonelyenchantress2172 8 місяців тому +3

      Lol I was looking for this comment & I absolutely agree!!
      😄💯✅

    • @smooothsynergy652
      @smooothsynergy652 8 місяців тому +2

      You are gorgeous!!

    • @lalaland2024
      @lalaland2024 8 місяців тому +1

      @@smooothsynergy652 Thank you so much 💓 💖

  • @felinek
    @felinek 9 місяців тому +21

    He didn't say ugly faced. He said weird or funny faced but never ugly which is his opinion. Most models have unique features so it's all about perspective ask Tyra Banks, her big forehead which is would be looked at as oddly or abnormally large was looked as unique and beautiful for modeling as it made her stand out. So you can be beautiful and odd at the same time. Why is it hard for some people to understand that two things can be true at the same time? Smh. Uma Thurman has been called stunning by many while I don't agree with stunning I think she is a weird pretty if that makes sense. We know that some people are referred to as classic beauties.

  • @Mommabear30
    @Mommabear30 8 місяців тому +6

    Whether he called them weird or ugly… a man can have his OWN opinion. What you see is not what he sees. Why be bothered? To each their own… to go back and analyze these women based on what YOU see is puerile.

    • @Lovelife1456
      @Lovelife1456 8 місяців тому +1

      Because she’s biracial with a weird face 😂😂😮

  • @HeatherR-yw9qk
    @HeatherR-yw9qk 5 місяців тому +2

    BTW, Hazel E is light skinned. Katt mocked her when she'd broken her nose. He called her a human toilet, but he began BEGGING her to come back adding that he would quit smoking. 😏 "Pleasssse come back baby!"

  • @VREmirate
    @VREmirate 9 місяців тому +10

    Definitely not weird faced, lightskinned maybe. Ya I wonder what he wanted to say, but maybe its better that he didnt. He seemed sour. These are all good looking women.

  • @alex1vid
    @alex1vid 9 місяців тому +30

    NO. He did NOT say 'ugly'. He said 'weird faced'. He did not call those women 'ugly'.

    • @8luvbug
      @8luvbug 9 місяців тому

      He only called Ludacris wife ugly

    • @kamalasheiress4035
      @kamalasheiress4035 8 місяців тому +4

      They’re not ugly lol. I think katt was making a statement about self-hatred in the AA community.

    • @th3azscorpio
      @th3azscorpio 8 місяців тому +2

      @@8luvbug But how is she ugly? She's very beautiful

    • @8luvbug
      @8luvbug 8 місяців тому +2

      @@th3azscorpio I agree, I was only correcting op because he did say one of those women were ugly. Also in my opinion saying someone is weird looking = unattractive/ugly

    • @CocoaBrownSkinLady
      @CocoaBrownSkinLady 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@th3azscorpioShe's beautiful to YOU. Not everyone has to agree that she's beautiful. I think she looks just ok, not some stunning beauty people are trying to prop her up to be.

  • @MikeyB110
    @MikeyB110 9 місяців тому +9

    He said weird face you get it. Trust me you get it.

  • @andriataylor4758
    @andriataylor4758 9 місяців тому +13

    He said ugly when speaking on Ludacris wife. He said weird face. His point was they all look the same.

  • @rashardstallworth9240
    @rashardstallworth9240 8 місяців тому +9

    Katt was not talking about the majority of the women in this video when he made that comment, he was very clear about who he was talking to. Also, he was clear that the man he was speaking of got their wives after they were already famous. David Chappelle for example has been with his wife for over 20 years and Cat Williams was not talking about David Chappelle’s wife.

    • @meeka59
      @meeka59 8 місяців тому +1

      He has been famous for over 20 years.

  • @RS33381
    @RS33381 9 місяців тому +85

    Eniko is a baddie. Marjorie is a historical baddie.
    I was with him the whole interview, but I didn’t understand why Katt thought it was odd that their wives never speak publicly.
    Plenty of wives chill in the back regardless of skin tone.
    A lot of Black men fetishize lighter woman. It’s not uncommon. It’s not some secret cliche. You can walk down the street and see it everyday.

    • @indigogirl5172
      @indigogirl5172 9 місяців тому +76

      Maybe he was referring to the fact that these men seek women who are kinda like a ‘prop’ rather than an engaged partner. These women just fall back. Narcs love to have partner who will never outshine them and know their place. IDK, just a thought

    • @indigogirl5172
      @indigogirl5172 9 місяців тому +53

      Eniko is a baddie (to some people) but Kevin Hart can’t stand her. He cheats on her all the time, even when she was pregnant, and I saw this dude last year, he did a 45min set. Like his first wife he is making fun of her in his stand up. IDK, and Kevin responded to Katt but never put him in his place for disrespecting his wife. That is so weird. Katt is so much more believable.

    • @MrsDazl
      @MrsDazl 9 місяців тому +25

      Had to go back and refresh my memory, but Marjorie? Really?

    • @carrington2949
      @carrington2949 9 місяців тому +10

      Hell I wish Mr. Simone Biles would have taken a page out of their books. The spouse is not supposed to be the center of attention. No one is paying to see and hear from a celebrity’s significant other. I don’t understand his shading the wives for that.

    • @jdisanddat
      @jdisanddat 9 місяців тому +29

      Wtf is a “Baddie” and no one uses that term more now than women referring to other women. It’s a weird form of idolization of a beauty standard that leans more towards white Kim K features and white designer brands.

  • @gigi-merida-moreno
    @gigi-merida-moreno 8 місяців тому +10

    Knowing Katt William's vibes he may have been calling them out for their inner beauty as being ugly. Beauty is only skin deep.

    • @donnapug
      @donnapug 8 місяців тому +1

      That & he never called them ugly

  • @ladyofspa
    @ladyofspa 8 місяців тому +8

    Terry crews, omari hardwick... His point was all end up with same type thats super odd. Contracts has white or light if you join us....... Funny looking ir not they all are manufactured relationships.

  • @Joe-uy5mv
    @Joe-uy5mv 9 місяців тому +22

    After your first video on the subject, I went and watched the interview. While some of his points weren’t fully articulated, that’s also what I understand by his speaking up comment. That a key aspect of the partners they chose, was that in the media they are more or less not represented-what that says about the wives and their overall relationships, idk, because there can be many reasons for their silence

  • @feliznavidad6958
    @feliznavidad6958 8 місяців тому +11

    Men and women who call women ugly usually don't feel good about themselves. He was calling everyone ugly and fake. He came off as bitter.

  • @sonnybono3433
    @sonnybono3433 7 місяців тому +3

    The Girl talking shouldn’t be Talking lol - You blend in lol

  • @craigfryer7167
    @craigfryer7167 9 місяців тому +7

    If you join the programme- the wives are the handlers.

  • @kamekakarot
    @kamekakarot 8 місяців тому +2

    Black folks on both sides of this self-demeaning argument bending over backwards to justify colorism

  • @piesusan17
    @piesusan17 8 місяців тому +6

    Kat may have been saying they are colorist. They all chose light skinned women. Kat has been with all kinds of women. I get the impression that he loves women.

    • @fashionablylate888
      @fashionablylate888 8 місяців тому

      He only publicly claimed Hazel E so what does that say about him?

    • @piesusan17
      @piesusan17 8 місяців тому +1

      @@fashionablylate888 Who did he marry and have a baby with?.What does that say about him?

  • @patriciafields7221
    @patriciafields7221 9 місяців тому +8

    This is why his tour called THE DARK MATTERS

  • @libra80s63
    @libra80s63 9 місяців тому +17

    more than half the women are either mixed with one parent being black or a completely different race. With some more than others looking as he described and the rest are gorgeous

  • @cleoajavon6556
    @cleoajavon6556 7 місяців тому +2

    I find it weird how people in this comment section ruin defend the right to call a light skin woman ugly. If it was the reverse…. Well, we all know.

  • @redbluebae4397
    @redbluebae4397 8 місяців тому +3

    He dated one of them so he’s a hypocrite but I’ve always thought he was a super deeply closeted homosexual along with Prince, and playboy or pimp ladies man type doesn’t go thru that many women trying to hide or cover up something even if only to themselves

  • @firstghost3038
    @firstghost3038 8 місяців тому +2

    She should superimpose her face over theirs to make it true.

  • @unravellingautismbyelaineephra
    @unravellingautismbyelaineephra 8 місяців тому +13

    2024 and this is how we talk about women - with casual disrespect. With a crude emphasis on complexion and looks. Then others get to make videos about it and everybody joins in as they offhandedly comment on the appearances of women who are living their lives, minding their own business. Nice.

    • @metalbabee
      @metalbabee 8 місяців тому +1

      Not excusing it but when people, especially black men, say worse things about dark-skinned black women, no one bat's an eye, no one cares. Not so fun on the other side.

    • @pinkgypsytees
      @pinkgypsytees 8 місяців тому +2

      Yes, it’s SENSE, TASTE, & CLASS LESS!!!! 👎🏽

  • @user-user-user-user.
    @user-user-user-user. 8 місяців тому +2

    Gossip is a sin.

  • @MissP483
    @MissP483 8 місяців тому +3

    Katt dated Hazel E soooo his opinions on those men wives looking weird 🫣🤫🤐

  • @meghanmisaliar
    @meghanmisaliar 7 місяців тому +1

    Lighg skinned women always defend other light skinned women.

  • @thats_toya4ya505
    @thats_toya4ya505 9 місяців тому +7

    He said both.... First weird.... Then when he was speaking about Ludacris he said ugly

  • @galexcia
    @galexcia 8 місяців тому +1

    She's just mad because times are changing and shes not getting a pass anymore for being light..you have to actually be attractive as well

  • @0207khenry
    @0207khenry 8 місяців тому +5

    😂😂😂😂😂 he wasn't lying. And it was funny!!

  • @skooleytooley2479
    @skooleytooley2479 7 місяців тому +2

    Bruh all he was doing was describing how all of them the same , you took that too serious

  • @crystalriley9671
    @crystalriley9671 9 місяців тому +21

    Tell me where's the lie? Katt was on point.

    • @tamarapowell8982
      @tamarapowell8982 8 місяців тому +2

      He has no room to speak when he dated Hazel E enough already!

    • @sunnydelight5255
      @sunnydelight5255 8 місяців тому +2

      @@tamarapowell8982Lol they love to bash LS but then date LS at the same time.

  • @ChatwithNat0914
    @ChatwithNat0914 8 місяців тому +4

    She mad she fits the category. Strong face

  • @carrington2949
    @carrington2949 9 місяців тому +12

    The only person who was in a relationship with a not so great looking light skinned woman was Katt Williams himself. Look up Hazel E. He was projecting. 😂

  • @itsbeauty2u_
    @itsbeauty2u_ 7 місяців тому +1

    Katt was talking about Comedians, specifically, but I felt like the whole industry was hit...and that "light skin" doesnt mean "light black." Not all of the women are black.

  • @am-harris7458
    @am-harris7458 8 місяців тому +3

    Yep, Katt was right! He knows about the color politics of westernized beauty standards!

  • @TrangPakbaby
    @TrangPakbaby 8 місяців тому +5

    Chile the preferences are in their feelings lol.
    When are the videos coming out about how a lot of these same men put on dresses and defiled the image of blk women? The Rasputia’s, The Wanda’s, the Big Momma’s house?
    🤔

  • @T.C556
    @T.C556 8 місяців тому +4

    Is Dave Chapelle’s wife light skinned or just not black?
    You wouldn’t call Jeannie Mai light skinned ,just oriental. 🤷

    • @donnapug
      @donnapug 8 місяців тому +2

      Sweetie, 21st century calling, no one and I mean no one says oriental. That is absolutely offensive

    • @T.C556
      @T.C556 8 місяців тому +1

      @@donnapug Awwww. Bless.You obviously think your neck of the woods determines what’s acceptable and what’s not….. UA-cam is global so do you boo💕

    • @doll.ov.poetrii4682
      @doll.ov.poetrii4682 8 місяців тому

      Were any of those women black? They ALL looked mixed race to me.

    • @janettewong9900
      @janettewong9900 8 місяців тому

      FYI, “Oriental” isn’t super offensive, just technically inaccurate
      “Oriental” refers to things like “Oriental flavored ramen” or “Oriental rug”
      “Asian” refers to people like “Asian actor” or “Asian wife”
      Chappelle’s wife would not considered light skinned by East/Southeast Asian standards (ie. she’s Filipina).
      Edit: Jeannie Mai, who is Vietnamese, would also not be considered light skinned by those same standards. Someone considered light skinned (in the winter) would be Brenda Song but in the photos where she’s naturally tan, she’d be closer to Jeannie Mai’s natural coloring
      Hope this helps!

  • @HeatherR-yw9qk
    @HeatherR-yw9qk 5 місяців тому +1

    Katt is jealous!!!!! Hazel E dumped him.

  • @IssaAzad
    @IssaAzad 8 місяців тому +3

    Just checked he said for sure weird face and NOT ugly. Weird face.

  • @msdania999
    @msdania999 9 місяців тому +5

    Katt’s perspective is they’re weird faced. Your opinion is they are not.😮

  • @bobbyschannel349
    @bobbyschannel349 8 місяців тому +5

    He said weird face wife, you didn't look back good enough...
    I think only one person's wife he specifically called ugly...

  • @ShadowBanned-o_O
    @ShadowBanned-o_O 8 місяців тому +4

    I wouldn't count Dave Chappelle. For one, Katt wasn't talking about him, and two, Chappelle has been with his wife well before he became famous.

  • @jasibae00
    @jasibae00 9 місяців тому +6

    ...And that's his opinion.

  • @kelseywillow8110
    @kelseywillow8110 9 місяців тому +21

    He’s trying to ruffle feathers, they look beautiful. Don’t read too much into it.

    • @CocoaBrownSkinLady
      @CocoaBrownSkinLady 8 місяців тому +11

      They're beautiful to YOU. Katt obviously doesn't think so.

    • @Genesisonetwentyseven
      @Genesisonetwentyseven 8 місяців тому +8

      ​@@CocoaBrownSkinLady I mean he LOVED Hazel E... don't let him gas you sis

    • @sunnydelight5255
      @sunnydelight5255 8 місяців тому +1

      @@CocoaBrownSkinLadyYes they’re beautiful to me. Oh you think I don’t think Garcelle Bouvais was beautiful too. I’m not supposed to think DS and LS people both look good?

  • @DangerousKaos
    @DangerousKaos 9 місяців тому +45

    Katt was a point 99% but yeah they're not ugly. But submissive? I think he was relating his much of an "alpha" these guys need to seem and feel with their wives. It's interesting. Here for Katt either way.

    • @adrienne7642
      @adrienne7642 9 місяців тому +5

      What about these women screams submissive to you?

    • @alee111
      @alee111 9 місяців тому +9

      ​@@adrienne7642thier silence

    • @adrienne7642
      @adrienne7642 9 місяців тому +1

      @@alee111 that’s fair

    • @MsJonessss
      @MsJonessss 9 місяців тому +12

      They’re silent and they accept the cheating.

    • @lidiagizaw3828
      @lidiagizaw3828 9 місяців тому

      lightskin equals submissive ? i lost a few braincells reading this

  • @j.baldwin3012
    @j.baldwin3012 8 місяців тому +1

    Black people love light skin, light eyes, and straight/wavy hair. If you have 2 out of 3 then many black people will say you're attractive.

  • @marissa._
    @marissa._ 9 місяців тому +29

    But what's "ugly" or "weird" about them? 😕
    Am I missing something? 😕

    • @Rosemary46840
      @Rosemary46840 9 місяців тому +20

      Nothing. Absolutely nothing, people are just jealous haters.

    • @BUUOC
      @BUUOC 9 місяців тому +1

      No. People are sick of colorism. We're sick of all the isms. Truth only in 2024. Every time someone brings up colorism or even acknowledges that it exists, they're called jealous and/or haters. You're no different from a racist white person in my mind - willfully ignorant and dismissive of the non-white experience. Colorism = Racism

    • @carrington2949
      @carrington2949 9 місяців тому +1

      Nothing. Katt Williams is the one who dated Hazel E from reality tv. That is a not so great looking light skinned woman.

    • @turquoisepurple7sky151
      @turquoisepurple7sky151 8 місяців тому +4

      They look plastic

    • @sunnydelight5255
      @sunnydelight5255 8 місяців тому +1

      Laughing at LS people is quite common in this damaged race.

  • @Bayareabbq
    @Bayareabbq 8 місяців тому +2

    Y"all stuck on color ...light ...dark...if you
    ugly...you ugly...if you fine... you fine

  • @pvperclips
    @pvperclips 9 місяців тому +41

    Did you watch the 8 minute interview clip or the entire three hour interview? I feel as if you would have a LOT more to say if you had watched the entire thing lmao. When he said Kanye married a WHORE, Shannon and I BOTH screamed 😅
    Also I only ask that because you include Chapelle in this video and he specifically references his relationship with Chapelle outside of his relations to the other men.
    Love your content, intrested in your discourse on the topic

    • @blaackberry
      @blaackberry 9 місяців тому +2

      Yo! My husband and I were gasping every 45 seconds! I wasnt ready for hours of tea like this!
      When he said Kanye married a whore I just about melted 😂
      Honestly Katt told a lot of truths with a bit of petty vidication

    • @Rosemary46840
      @Rosemary46840 9 місяців тому +2

      Ain't nobody got time for that. You must really involve your life around celebrities huh

  • @SereneQueen11
    @SereneQueen11 8 місяців тому +1

    It’s pointing out colourism especially in black men. Perceiving women as pretty simply for having a lighter complexion. It sounded like it was a joke but not to be taken literally. Also, Dave Chapelle’s wife is Asian

  • @kjs9203
    @kjs9203 8 місяців тому +4

    Could the "Ugly" that Katt Williams is speaking off be the " bad personalities or deceitful characters" of these women. It does not have to mean skin color, physical or facial appearance only.
    Katt Williams is very intelligent and when he speaks few person can really grasp the depth of the information he imparts. That's why he can stand his ground.

  • @5.0truck
    @5.0truck 8 місяців тому +2

    On the bright side, you def have a chance to be the next wife

  • @nhandistoney9871
    @nhandistoney9871 9 місяців тому +4

    I intepreted his weird face comment as the couples as a pair are odd looking. As if the women they have on their arms would've prob never give them the time of day if they weren't wealthy due to the mens average joe looks. Like it looks forced.

  • @Alicia-vq8jg
    @Alicia-vq8jg 9 місяців тому +4

    The woman with the big man she looks way better in the second picture it makes me sad that other woman like most of our value is based on appearance which fucking sucks but whatever

  • @nimcogood712
    @nimcogood712 8 місяців тому +3

    Katt Williams is a genius

  • @truecrimewithshane6054
    @truecrimewithshane6054 8 місяців тому +2

    He actually said both. In one part of the interview Kat stated that Luda had to get rid of his sideburns and such- this is where here (KAT) stated that he Luda ended up with a light skin UGLY face wife. In the same conversation Kat makes the point again, only this time he said Weird face this is when he states that 7 people got the same deal.

  • @ennvee1989
    @ennvee1989 7 місяців тому +2

    Pot calling kettle 😂😂😂

  • @Queenofdacastle
    @Queenofdacastle 8 місяців тому +7

    He first said weird face when he first mentioned the wives then when it was brought up again, he said ugly face, so he actually did both