The peak burst AOE DPS is the result of the uncapped bursting sores (TALENT) and a rapid stack capping with festermight (max 30 stacks/20s duration) (AZERITE) 1. you need a very large amount of targets 2. you need infected claws (TALENT) 1minCD 3. you need bursting sores (TALENT) 4. you need unholy frenzy (TALENT) 1.3minCD 5. you need Death and Decay and all targets inside/close to it to burst all wounds in the short 10 second duration 6. you need 3x festermight (AZERITE) TLDR: you stack as much wound application talents as possible and burst as much wounds as possible in your 10 second Death and Decay window to cap out festermight while getting addition bonus AOE from the uncapped bursting sores. The break even point to your normal ST build and this special build requires full group support and a large amount of mobs (big reaping size). You still need proc-luck with your infected claws talent, you need haste proc's or runic regeneration proc's in the right time and you need all mobs with a giant pull to be in range to your death and decay or nothing happens. => It is not 1 talent/ability that does this peak, its the very fast festermight stacking (READ: BONUS STRENGTH) and the huge amount of bursting sores (AoE burst for each wound popped) => bursting sores (TALENT) alone even for mid-sized pulls is just a mediocre AoE, it needs a huge amount of targets to even get even in DPS to alternative talents => both the setup for this huge amount of mobs, the group support to even survive long enough and the positioning of all mobs close/inside the Death and Decay is not something you see in LIVE WoW and not forget, the DK needs to reset festermight stacks before the pull, so basicly has to stop the normal DPS rotation for 1-20 seconds and just do basicly nothing (sub Heal DPS) or else festermight's duration could just end mid-pull and make this whole 1-M-DPS not reachable. (credit to Ange)
@@williamforbes7156 Pretty sure you don't use Epidemic for this, you use Pestilence, giving your Death and Decay a 10% chance to also apply a festering wound to targets hit. He didn't use any runic power untill Death and Decay was over, and when he did he used Death Coil, not Epidemic.
Cause of an aoe mechanic less than 5% of the player base even know how to efficiently utilize, with even less getting the chance to play in such high mythic+ encounters to pull it off in the first place? Unholy is far behind in single target encounters compared to other classes. Let's not even talk about frost dk's. Blizzard just can't balance their games.
yea even though this specific fight and with all that mobs showed some crazy burst AoE it doesnt mean that the dks are some gods...not even close to be so atm
@@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman I think it's point is it's a long way off from previous Mythic dungeon scrambles where you see teams comprised of mostly casters to reduce the amount of damage the Healer has to heal on a mostly melee comp. Oh how the game is so fuckin easy now..rip
@@aussierule rogue are op because they have too much tools and cc, you take way less damage than a caster because the mob are always stunned or incapacited. And the shroud is op as fuck on those timer based dungeon.
Despite requiring almost all of the planets to align to get that setup properly to pull off that crazy dps, Blizzard will still nerf it because they just hate DKs this expansion
@@Pallyforeva eh maybe. I think its mostly reapings that line up nicely with warrior cds. Kinda like how arms warriors were in uldir, and look at them now (dead last). This might be the same thing again. Nerfing prot warriors that were strong mostly because of the seasonal, might result in them being crippled in next season.
Can confirm as dk main, the harder you press the more damage you do. I get 250k dps on a good pull, apparently I need to hit the button 4x harder to do his dps. Credit: personal experience
I can't believe that many people think Unholy DK's arent competitive atm. I mean i'm not shy to show up in M+'s and neither in raid...Dk's have their peaks with cooldowns, i start the boss at 55k with AOTD/Apocalypse/Unholy Frenzy then i end up the fight at 28.7k. After that, no need to relate about 4+ mobs packs where they really shine hard. They are also average on 2-3 targets pulls when dealing good with CD's but they're shit in short encounters and i would say "not so good" with solo elite mobs unless u spend a couple cd's (not worth most of the times). I built my DK to have -1450 haste -1100 Crit -610 Versatility -300 Mastery
I hate that people are complaining that DK's have been nerfed too much. Frankly its just a bunch of people who had the most broken class and are crying they aren't broken anymore.
The thing is, DK is utter garbage. Just because they can pull off ONE good move, that doesn't work 50% of the time, needs ALOT of set up and works maybe in two or three dungeons doesn't mean they are broken (besides 99% of the player base couldn't even replicate that set up shown in the video, even if they wanted to). They got one if not THE worst single target DPS in the game. Their aoe is pretty average at best. DK's are not liked in raids and not even in M+ in most dungeons. They are pretty awesome in PvP but that's only because of Necrotic Strike. I think besides single target DPS DK's are fine as they are now.
@@natusvincere2966 apparently you've never heard of the synergy between Festermight, infected claws, bursting sores, epidemic, death and decay, and dark transformation. With big trash pulls doing 500k+ dps is trivial.
unholy DKs just do a good works in specific situations like massives pulls woth a boss, but as you can see there is not a lot of DK in high keys, that's not a really trong class for the moment
We started the expansion dealing ~10k dps We are already achieving 1m DPS burst AoE and over 100k sustained dps only 1 and a half patches into the expansion Better nerf DK.
@@Drengen10 So maybe I exaggerated a bit but basically in 8 months we have had what seems to be a 300% increase in sustained dps. At that rate in another 8 months we will be doing 300% more. Idk about you but that concerns me because before the end of the expansion we probably will be back to doing dps in the millions on a regular basis. Imagine what it would be like for a returning player that brings back their level 120 they dinged in the first few weeks of bfa and then quit. Only to see someone the same level as them literally doing his whole health bar of dps per second.
@IHS I was going off the DPS rankings for item level 415 single target, supplied by Noxxic. Boss DPS will vary, due to mechanics, adds, ect. So I get where you are coming from. However as I ammended in my reply to the other guy, yes I exaggerated in my initial comment, but 415 ilvl warlocks pull over 30k DPS, most other classes are in the high 20k's. When we started the expansion we were looking at about 10k DPS and now it's between double and triple that. How can you argue that it isn't a problem?
That's what happens when an average at best looking female joins a high-end raiding guild - Method, in this case, if I'm not mistaken - and starts streaming herself being 'cute' and 'quirky'. She gets special privileges for being carried.
@@xTheWolfman1991 You are completely wrong about everything, lets start by saying she is not in Method. And when she streams most of the time she is doing high keys, so she gets no special privileges because she ain't carried at all. She is there because she knowledgeable about Mythic+, pretty much why she is close to 3k score in Raider.IO and has timed every key in at least a +20. And if you think someone can be carried and time a +20 then i can tell you are just a baddie and you ain't there because she is just way better that you.
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Commenting 4 years later because Waycrest is in the dungeon pool again and there’s an MDI coming up. Round 2 Waycrest boogaloo. Can’t wait.
The peak burst AOE DPS is the result of the uncapped bursting sores (TALENT) and a rapid stack capping with festermight (max 30 stacks/20s duration) (AZERITE)
1. you need a very large amount of targets
2. you need infected claws (TALENT) 1minCD
3. you need bursting sores (TALENT)
4. you need unholy frenzy (TALENT) 1.3minCD
5. you need Death and Decay and all targets inside/close to it to burst all wounds in the short 10 second duration
6. you need 3x festermight (AZERITE)
TLDR: you stack as much wound application talents as possible and burst as much wounds as possible in your 10 second Death and Decay window to cap out festermight while getting addition bonus AOE from the uncapped bursting sores. The break even point to your normal ST build and this special build requires full group support and a large amount of mobs (big reaping size).
You still need proc-luck with your infected claws talent, you need haste proc's or runic regeneration proc's in the right time and you need all mobs with a giant pull to be in range to your death and decay or nothing happens.
=> It is not 1 talent/ability that does this peak, its the very fast festermight stacking (READ: BONUS STRENGTH) and the huge amount of bursting sores (AoE burst for each wound popped)
=> bursting sores (TALENT) alone even for mid-sized pulls is just a mediocre AoE, it needs a huge amount of targets to even get even in DPS to alternative talents
=> both the setup for this huge amount of mobs, the group support to even survive long enough and the positioning of all mobs close/inside the Death and Decay is not something you see in LIVE WoW and not forget, the DK needs to reset festermight stacks before the pull, so basicly has to stop the normal DPS rotation for 1-20 seconds and just do basicly nothing (sub Heal DPS) or else festermight's duration could just end mid-pull and make this whole 1-M-DPS not reachable.
(credit to Ange)
In conclusion u need blizzard to nerf this.
@@jujucasar2003 LOL
you also need the Epidemic talent to dump all of your RP into doing as much AoE burst as humanly possible
@@williamforbes7156 Pretty sure you don't use Epidemic for this, you use Pestilence, giving your Death and Decay a 10% chance to also apply a festering wound to targets hit. He didn't use any runic power untill Death and Decay was over, and when he did he used Death Coil, not Epidemic.
@@jujucasar2003 hope they do
this wont end well for DKs
Zigrifid feelsbad
Cause of an aoe mechanic less than 5% of the player base even know how to efficiently utilize, with even less getting the chance to play in such high mythic+ encounters to pull it off in the first place? Unholy is far behind in single target encounters compared to other classes. Let's not even talk about frost dk's. Blizzard just can't balance their games.
@@Psykrom Played frost dk for about 7 years and it hurts my chest thinking about their state
yea even though this specific fight and with all that mobs showed some crazy burst AoE it doesnt mean that the dks are some gods...not even close to be so atm
@@striver7583 blizz has shown that she doesnt care sometimes though :/ i dont have a DK but im worried about their next patch notes
his damage went up by 4 milions in one tick LMAO
Forgive us Blizzard, we know not what we do. - Dks everywhere
so many casters eh? eh?
0 million 😂
@@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman I think it's point is it's a long way off from previous Mythic dungeon scrambles where you see teams comprised of mostly casters to reduce the amount of damage the Healer has to heal on a mostly melee comp. Oh how the game is so fuckin easy now..rip
@@aussierule rogue are op because they have too much tools and cc, you take way less damage than a caster because the mob are always stunned or incapacited. And the shroud is op as fuck on those timer based dungeon.
I wish they would show hps on these things.
in before they remembered it's bolstering lol
Despite requiring almost all of the planets to align to get that setup properly to pull off that crazy dps, Blizzard will still nerf it because they just hate DKs this expansion
No nerfs inc.
Blizz saw that and were like "prot warriors are the problem, lets half their dmg during cooldowns". And thats what they did.
wimpymind n I mean, Prot warriors are kind of ridiculous this patch... makes sense that they’re getting a DPS nerf
@@Pallyforeva eh maybe.
I think its mostly reapings that line up nicely with warrior cds. Kinda like how arms warriors were in uldir, and look at them now (dead last).
This might be the same thing again. Nerfing prot warriors that were strong mostly because of the seasonal, might result in them being crippled in next season.
@@Pallyforeva thats the only thing they have going for them though... after this everyone will just switch back to dks..
Epidemic doesn't really require a set-up.
Unholy dks were like this in 4.3 cataclysm in aoe dps. Unholy dks are also hard to master.
good old dk times :(
Can anyone explain me how do they do all this DPS without epidemic?
They do use epidemic, the majority of the damage, especially the burst, comes from bursting a whole lot of festering wounds on the trash
@@aantoniou96 so what is the specific rotation to apply festering wounds on trash?
@@BrennAlmario bursting sores and infected claws it was mostly festermight tho
I regret this time when AoE wasn't capped...
same..
"And doesn't have any scary mechanics as long as you avoid them" Well fucking obviously they aren't scary if you avoid them.
Holy moly
kraakelol unholy moly*
@@qi9754 Can't believe I missed that. Thanks
what key level?
It’s almost like unholy dks have been doing that since bfa launched
I don’t pull 1million like this
Girl caster is having nerdgasm =D
cringe how gamers make everything sexual
unholy dk nerf inc!! no fun allowed.
Come back to Legión
Don’t you fing dare nerf DKs, they aren’t living for much since you squashed them so hard in BFA
holy shit
SeemsGood
Dks are legit
tf are these guys doing? And how? Are they pressing their buttons harder? It can’t be faster, there’s still a GCD involved.
Thats called aoe wihtout a reduce to how many targets, + trait stacking+HUGE BIG PULLS. :D
Can confirm as dk main, the harder you press the more damage you do. I get 250k dps on a good pull, apparently I need to hit the button 4x harder to do his dps.
Credit: personal experience
Better nerf warlocks
Pacoraban
I'm proud of my clasd
I can't believe that many people think Unholy DK's arent competitive atm. I mean i'm not shy to show up in M+'s and neither in raid...Dk's have their peaks with cooldowns, i start the boss at 55k with AOTD/Apocalypse/Unholy Frenzy then i end up the fight at 28.7k. After that, no need to relate about 4+ mobs packs where they really shine hard. They are also average on 2-3 targets pulls when dealing good with CD's but they're shit in short encounters and i would say "not so good" with solo elite mobs unless u spend a couple cd's (not worth most of the times). I built my DK to have
-1450 haste
-1100 Crit
-610 Versatility
-300 Mastery
It is "Invitational"
In this season changed for International
look at the mad cc and kiting skills, aggro managing was so hard this fight....
i really can't wait for classic
yikes
#balancedgame 2 rogues/1dk/1monk 1 war tank 1 dudu resto 0 casters, BFA shittier exp ever
Yeah,now look at raids and tell me where are the melees
People have been doing this on dk for a long time now, dk wont get nerfed, atleast I don't think they will
They managed to turn mmo dungeons into a fucking esport. I'm done with this
k stay off then who cares
because you suck too much to ever do anything even remotely challenging lmao
nef inc
DK's are the kings of AOE. Always have been
you play different game for a 4 years?
Except for when other classes where, in many many cases, than they where not
Ez game
I hate that people are complaining that DK's have been nerfed too much. Frankly its just a bunch of people who had the most broken class and are crying they aren't broken anymore.
The thing is, DK is utter garbage. Just because they can pull off ONE good move, that doesn't work 50% of the time, needs ALOT of set up and works maybe in two or three dungeons doesn't mean they are broken (besides 99% of the player base couldn't even replicate that set up shown in the video, even if they wanted to). They got one if not THE worst single target DPS in the game. Their aoe is pretty average at best. DK's are not liked in raids and not even in M+ in most dungeons. They are pretty awesome in PvP but that's only because of Necrotic Strike. I think besides single target DPS DK's are fine as they are now.
@@MoonPoxX dk is the best class in the game in pvp
clearly affliction warlocks will get nerfed again because they are OP, lets buff rogues and dks.
WTF
"ROgueS aRe tOO GooD"
That's pretty normal for an Unholy Dk lol I am not surprised at all
Yeah right lol
@@natusvincere2966 apparently you've never heard of the synergy between Festermight, infected claws, bursting sores, epidemic, death and decay, and dark transformation. With big trash pulls doing 500k+ dps is trivial.
@@TheRealBeardedFetus sureee buddy
@@natusvincere2966 literally anyone can do it...
@@TheRealBeardedFetus"epidemic" lmao, with this you already can't go over 500k. you have no idea what you are talking about.
OMG dk is dealing 1m dps, ok nerf rogues :v
unholy DKs just do a good works in specific situations like massives pulls woth a boss, but as you can see there is not a lot of DK in high keys, that's not a really trong class for the moment
@@rotrot.graddiv.-.3766 fun isnt strong, and strong isnt fun. Dks are stronger but boring as hell
thats not umbelievable thats aoe dmg thats normal make single target dmg haha
you haven't played bfa have you
We started the expansion dealing ~10k dps
We are already achieving 1m DPS burst AoE and over 100k sustained dps only 1 and a half patches into the expansion
Better nerf DK.
Comparing launch single target sustained to 8 months in sustained aoe?
@@Drengen10 So maybe I exaggerated a bit but basically in 8 months we have had what seems to be a 300% increase in sustained dps. At that rate in another 8 months we will be doing 300% more. Idk about you but that concerns me because before the end of the expansion we probably will be back to doing dps in the millions on a regular basis.
Imagine what it would be like for a returning player that brings back their level 120 they dinged in the first few weeks of bfa and then quit. Only to see someone the same level as them literally doing his whole health bar of dps per second.
@IHS I was going off the DPS rankings for item level 415 single target, supplied by Noxxic. Boss DPS will vary, due to mechanics, adds, ect. So I get where you are coming from. However as I ammended in my reply to the other guy, yes I exaggerated in my initial comment, but 415 ilvl warlocks pull over 30k DPS, most other classes are in the high 20k's. When we started the expansion we were looking at about 10k DPS and now it's between double and triple that. How can you argue that it isn't a problem?
@@amburgerzz noxxic yikes
@@amburgerzz uldir mythic gear was around 18-20k depending on the fight iirc
Sweet baby jesus...what the hell is it with having her talk? I cant understand her!
That's what happens when an average at best looking female joins a high-end raiding guild - Method, in this case, if I'm not mistaken - and starts streaming herself being 'cute' and 'quirky'. She gets special privileges for being carried.
@@xTheWolfman1991 You are completely wrong about everything, lets start by saying she is not in Method. And when she streams most of the time she is doing high keys, so she gets no special privileges because she ain't carried at all.
She is there because she knowledgeable about Mythic+, pretty much why she is close to 3k score in Raider.IO and has timed every key in at least a +20. And if you think someone can be carried and time a +20 then i can tell you are just a baddie and you ain't there because she is just way better that you.
@@xTheWolfman1991 Should do some fact checking before you run your mouth.
what a trash game
Fix PVP Blizzard, watching PVE isn't entertaining.
Crazy fake bro
a bunch of backpedaling players and people are impressed by scripted gameplay wow