This why when I upgraded to AM5 ….. I waited for the X3D CPUs ensuring I’m getting a more valid reason for extra for my cpu in gaming and getting many notable gains in fps!
Interesting comparison and like with AM4 6cores 12 threads great for gaming. My 5600 is paired with RX6700XT and last few days aliexpress had great deal on 5700x3D but in reality offered no boost. Would upgrading to AM5 setup say 7600 with 16gb ddr5 be worthwhile when I upgrade to 4k tv? Thanks for thorough comparison 👍
I think you'll notice even less difference for a cpu upgrade at 4k, except maybe in 1% lows. If you're planning on using that 6700xt at 4k, I think you'll find it lacking unless you're playing non demanding or older games. As in most gaming scenarios, an upgrade to your gpu would be more advisable for 4k than your cpu.
most of the games still dont fully utilize 8 core 16 thread but i really curious with new game like dragon dogma2 and unreal engine 5 how much perf diffrence between 6 core 12 thread vs 8 core 16 thread
@@wolniacha_tv if your playing any triple aaa games it won't matter but eSports games or competitive games do benefit from having r7 7700 it gives 30fps more per every very cpu intensive games.
Nice review! By doing that, you can see which game engine needs more clocks and cores, which reacts better with more cache/core and which is GPU dependent more than CPU power.
Even the 7800X3D only makes sense if you're playing esports, are using a super high end GPU or want to keep the system for a very long time (while doing several GPU upgrades, which will be expensive). 7600 and 7700 can comfortably handle all GPUs up to the 7900 XTX and 4080 Super, it's really only the 4090 at below 4k that would be bottlenecked by those in any measurable way
@@stefannita3439 People are most likely to put 2-3 GPU through a system over it's life time though. It would be even more likely if they game above 1080p, and aren't getting a top end GPU. Today's 90s class performance is tomorrows 70s class performance. Maybe 2 tomorrows.
So it's basically what we thought.. It all depends on the game, resolution and whether it's cpu or gpu bound. But for most gamers the extra cores doesn't really matter much..
You missed the best part: This is testing with the 4090, so for more than 95% of gamers, differences will be smaller. This is why people must buy what needs for TODAY and stop being paranoic about the future.
lol... no warranty = no deal who cares if you save a few bucks but have to spend more in case of failure? it's not even that cheap compared to a new 7600 anyway, and a used 7600 will be even cheaper
CS2 are heavilly broken buggy game and there is no channel on UA-cam with 2 even similar fps at their benches of this game so as i see you have less fps with 4090 then TechYes city with 4070super and 7500f and for Gamer Nexus and his benches its not even worth to mention!1 i think his best result with 14900k and 4090 or something like that are around 440fps at 1080p and then all other channels same story
I would take an R7-7700 over both of them. It's cheaper than the 7700X, can get the same performance with PBO enabled (if needed), uses less power (TDP of 65W) and comes with an included Wraith Prism air cooler. Not only is it one less thing to have to pay for, it's probably the most beautiful CPU air cooler in the world. 7600X = $208 (+$50 for a CPU cooler) = $258 7700X = $298 (+$50 for a CPU cooler) = $348 Ryzen 7 7700 = $282 (+$0 because it has a cooler) = $282 There's no question that the Ryzen 7 7700 is the best deal in this case.
Yes, I agree the 7700 non-x is the most valuable chip between the 7600/X and 7700X. The 7700 can be bought for $180 and just add a $20 Assassin King. The 7500f is an insane price of $130.
You can even get a 7700 from aliexpress for less than £150. Got mine for £132 and upcoming aliexpress sale will bring it down to that price again xD. Mine is still working today only thing is if you are willing to wait 10+ days for it to arrive
if you wanted to stream games like COD and Apex do you think the extra cores will help maintain performance i just bought the 7600x and it seems to have issues when trying to stream even with everything in the background closed (playing in 1440p)
Testing this with the fastest nvidia gpu also maxes out the added nvidia driver overhead, meaning this is the worst case scenario for gaming on the 7600X
Made the tough decision to sell my R5 3600 AM4 system. My thoughts are im selling when theres still a high demand for AM4. The rig was nearly 6 years old and my gpu was already second hand. Now im buying the 7600x system from a friend who built the pc 7 months ago at a good price with warranty. Super excited. Am5 platform here we come. Still not sure what gpu to get tho as i need to buy that seperate
Does anyone think I should upgrade R1600 & 16GB → 5700x3d + xtra 16GB, or just get a 7600x w/ 32GB and new AM5 mobo? Total cost difference would be ~$220 outright and even less after I sell my old gear. So is it better to stay AM4 or jump to AM5 ?
Either are good placeholders for a year or so. Get the cheaper option, I have learned my lesson with getting a 5900X to see if it would be better than a 5600X. 6 core cpu's with fast IPC is plenty to get the majority of performance from most GPU's. Either 7600X or 7800X3D.
Exactly where I live r7 7700 is only 230 dollars and r5 7600x is 215 dollars and r5 7600 is 200 dollars so it's pointless to buy these ryzen 5s however r5 7500f is somewhat decent at around 150 dollars.Even than it's not a big of difference while r7 won't go all way up to 75% cpu utilization unlike r5.
@@6kittys147 Wow, good for you then. I still think for those looking to do productivity stuff on the AM5 platform will go for the 7700/7700X tho since the 6 cores on the 7600/7600X just aren't enough. For the average consumer the 7600 is definitely the choice to make.
@@_fiftyseven_ But ryzen 7 7700x is 330 dollars so 100 dollars expensive than ryzen 7 7700 which doesn't seem good. However if someone spends 70 dollars more on r7 7700x he/she could buy best gaming cpu the ryzen 7 7800x3d.Also i5 13500 cost more than ryzen 7 7700 makes no sense to me.
@@6kittys147 Well you do you but I do think that most people looking to do heavy workloads wont get something below 8 cores. In my country, the 7700 is cheaper than the 7600X which makes it an instant recommendation for both gamers and those who do production work.
AMD must do something about their cpu's because each generation best value cpu is x600 cpu, because it's only up to 5% slower than 16 core model. Only benefit from more cores or ccd's are rendering.
CPUs like the Ryzen 7 and 9 variants aren't made for gaming, you can make the argument that you don't need more than 6 fast cores for gaming, that being said you can jump from a 7600x to a 7800x3d if you'd like the extra gaming performance, however the 7700x is a good gaming CPU for people who'd want an 8 core part for more such as rendering, occasional streaming etc, although for that to happen they'd have to downgrade their Ryzen 5 and 7 variants to make their Ryzen 9 variants look like a better buy for gaming which would not be the case. you want good gaming performance and nothing more? get a 7600x you want to do gaming and light productivity? get a 7700x you want to do mostly workloads? get a 7900x or a 7950x you want to do gaming at absurdly stupid high framerates? get a 7800x3d want to game at stupidly high framerates and do productivity? get a 7950x3d
Rendering is not the only professional workload there is. The product segmentation for Ryzen makes a lot of sense right now, as the guy above me said. The 600 class CPUs are great for gamers, and above that class you get to choose how you want to balance productivity and gaming.
![Ryzen 7 7700X Vs Ryzen 7 7800X3D [42 Game Benchmark | 1080p, 1440p & 4K]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ih71lxgx28I/mqdefault.jpg)
![Ryzen 5 7600 Vs Ryzen 5 7600X [42 Game Benchmark | 1080p, 1440p & 4K]](/img/n.gif)
This why when I upgraded to AM5 ….. I waited for the X3D CPUs ensuring I’m getting a more valid reason for extra for my cpu in gaming and getting many notable gains in fps!
My 7600X runs games 5.46Ghz stock with A620.
Interesting comparison and like with AM4 6cores 12 threads great for gaming. My 5600 is paired with RX6700XT and last few days aliexpress had great deal on 5700x3D but in reality offered no boost. Would upgrading to AM5 setup say 7600 with 16gb ddr5 be worthwhile when I upgrade to 4k tv? Thanks for thorough comparison 👍
I think you'll notice even less difference for a cpu upgrade at 4k, except maybe in 1% lows. If you're planning on using that 6700xt at 4k, I think you'll find it lacking unless you're playing non demanding or older games. As in most gaming scenarios, an upgrade to your gpu would be more advisable for 4k than your cpu.
Upgrade your GPU to see the difference.
1) none of those cpu upgrades Will show a notable difference.
2) Never Buy 16 GB of DDR5, never.
@@nelsonmejiaslozada9362 Why not buy 16gb ddr5? Like I can't use 2x16?
Hi, can you add 5800X to "Ryzen 7 7800X3D Vs Ryzen 7 5800X3D [42 Game Benchmark" ? I really want to know how my CPU is today
most of the games still dont fully utilize 8 core 16 thread but i really curious with new game like dragon dogma2 and unreal engine 5 how much perf diffrence between 6 core 12 thread vs 8 core 16 thread
Please make 7500F vs 7700
it is a similar difference.
I just bought the 7700 non x from a 7500f I tell u difference in week
@@desmondlemons9129 what gpu/resolution?
@@wolniacha_tv if your playing any triple aaa games it won't matter but eSports games or competitive games do benefit from having r7 7700 it gives 30fps more per every very cpu intensive games.
great review - personally i got myself a 7 7700x with an rx 7800xt - should deliver enough power for the coming years.
I want Ro Upgrade from ryzen 5 5600x but i cant decide wich Upgrade is Worth it.. can Somebody recommend a cpu that is not sooo expensive. GPU is 4070
Nice review! By doing that, you can see which game engine needs more clocks and cores, which reacts better with more cache/core and which is GPU dependent more than CPU power.
Should be only three options: budget 7500f, gaming 7800x3d and production 7950x
Even the 7800X3D only makes sense if you're playing esports, are using a super high end GPU or want to keep the system for a very long time (while doing several GPU upgrades, which will be expensive). 7600 and 7700 can comfortably handle all GPUs up to the 7900 XTX and 4080 Super, it's really only the 4090 at below 4k that would be bottlenecked by those in any measurable way
@@stefannita3439 People are most likely to put 2-3 GPU through a system over it's life time though. It would be even more likely if they game above 1080p, and aren't getting a top end GPU. Today's 90s class performance is tomorrows 70s class performance. Maybe 2 tomorrows.
I think it only makes sense to go for ryzen 7 when you want to either do editing or streaming with gaming
I have same motherboard with 7600x and 7800xt.
So it's basically what we thought.. It all depends on the game, resolution and whether it's cpu or gpu bound. But for most gamers the extra cores doesn't really matter much..
it looks like most current games just dont use 8 cores yet. not sure 3 years down the road though.
You missed the best part: This is testing with the 4090, so for more than 95% of gamers, differences will be smaller.
This is why people must buy what needs for TODAY and stop being paranoic about the future.
Well said dude
What clocks/Temps where you geting geting ? Temps make a huge difference in ryzen performance. It's like 20c between 5490 mhz clock to 4900mhz clock.
No when your spending well over 800$ to build something , might as well get something won’t have to replace
im first
second?
third?
@@eTeknix 4th. And I'm constipated.
@@Cynnister-vy5tl there’s medicines for that.
@@eTeknix Yes. But know that despite my "uncomfort" I'm still here to watch your video. Says a lot about your content huh?
7500F is better value if available
yup, best value
lol... no warranty = no deal
who cares if you save a few bucks but have to spend more in case of failure?
it's not even that cheap compared to a new 7600 anyway, and a used 7600 will be even cheaper
@@bill_g. im happy with my unit. 5,25ghz all cores with 1,05v on vcore.
Can easily so 5,5ghz but I dont need that, I prefer longevity.
CS2 are heavilly broken buggy game and there is no channel on UA-cam with 2 even similar fps at their benches of this game so as i see you have less fps with 4090 then TechYes city with 4070super and 7500f and for Gamer Nexus and his benches its not even worth to mention!1 i think his best result with 14900k and 4090 or something like that are around 440fps at 1080p and then all other channels same story
I would take an R7-7700 over both of them. It's cheaper than the 7700X, can get the same performance with PBO enabled (if needed), uses less power (TDP of 65W) and comes with an included Wraith Prism air cooler. Not only is it one less thing to have to pay for, it's probably the most beautiful CPU air cooler in the world.
7600X = $208 (+$50 for a CPU cooler) = $258
7700X = $298 (+$50 for a CPU cooler) = $348
Ryzen 7 7700 = $282 (+$0 because it has a cooler) = $282
There's no question that the Ryzen 7 7700 is the best deal in this case.
Yes, I agree the 7700 non-x is the most valuable chip between the 7600/X and 7700X. The 7700 can be bought for $180 and just add a $20 Assassin King. The 7500f is an insane price of $130.
You can even get a 7700 from aliexpress for less than £150. Got mine for £132 and upcoming aliexpress sale will bring it down to that price again xD. Mine is still working today only thing is if you are willing to wait 10+ days for it to arrive
r5 9600x zen5 will be interesting for few months especially on some cheap mobo ,probably performance in gaming on 14900k level.if not something higher
if you wanted to stream games like COD and Apex do you think the extra cores will help maintain performance i just bought the 7600x and it seems to have issues when trying to stream even with everything in the background closed (playing in 1440p)
Pair them with a 7900 XTX and enable SAM. The 4090 is a rubbish card under 4K and so these CPUs doesn't really matter.
Ok the sweaty ad legit made me laugh out loud
I'm only considering the 7700x because of the Microcenter bundle assuming I can get one when they finally open the Charlotte location.
What about the blue team i mean 13600k vs 7600x?
i think they are even
Testing this with the fastest nvidia gpu also maxes out the added nvidia driver overhead, meaning this is the worst case scenario for gaming on the 7600X
Made the tough decision to sell my R5 3600 AM4 system. My thoughts are im selling when theres still a high demand for AM4. The rig was nearly 6 years old and my gpu was already second hand.
Now im buying the 7600x system from a friend who built the pc 7 months ago at a good price with warranty. Super excited. Am5 platform here we come. Still not sure what gpu to get tho as i need to buy that seperate
It's nice to have a rich friends you can buy off for a cheap. Other people have to WORK to buy stuff
@@martinxyz
7900GRE the best bargain in the GPU market on April 2024.
@@giorx5 Not !
Does anyone think I should upgrade R1600 & 16GB → 5700x3d + xtra 16GB, or just get a 7600x w/ 32GB and new AM5 mobo?
Total cost difference would be ~$220 outright and even less after I sell my old gear.
So is it better to stay AM4 or jump to AM5 ?
AM5 i think.
Either are good placeholders for a year or so. Get the cheaper option, I have learned my lesson with getting a 5900X to see if it would be better than a 5600X. 6 core cpu's with fast IPC is plenty to get the majority of performance from most GPU's. Either 7600X or 7800X3D.
A year or two , wtf more than that atleast 4
Its why I went with a 7600x with my 7900xt for 4k gaming. Plenty of CPU for my use case (4k/4l upscaled, 120fps due to a LG C1).
Not good for multitasking tho , imagine you want to play music while playing , or possibly make a small editing video
Where I live, the 7700 is cheaper than the 7600X and is a no brainer choice.
Exactly where I live r7 7700 is only 230 dollars and r5 7600x is 215 dollars and r5 7600 is 200 dollars so it's pointless to buy these ryzen 5s however r5 7500f is somewhat decent at around 150 dollars.Even than it's not a big of difference while r7 won't go all way up to 75% cpu utilization unlike r5.
@@6kittys147 Wow, good for you then. I still think for those looking to do productivity stuff on the AM5 platform will go for the 7700/7700X tho since the 6 cores on the 7600/7600X just aren't enough. For the average consumer the 7600 is definitely the choice to make.
@@_fiftyseven_ But ryzen 7 7700x is 330 dollars so 100 dollars expensive than ryzen 7 7700 which doesn't seem good. However if someone spends 70 dollars more on r7 7700x he/she could buy best gaming cpu the ryzen 7 7800x3d.Also i5 13500 cost more than ryzen 7 7700 makes no sense to me.
@@6kittys147 Well you do you but I do think that most people looking to do heavy workloads wont get something below 8 cores. In my country, the 7700 is cheaper than the 7600X which makes it an instant recommendation for both gamers and those who do production work.
I’d love to see the 7500F against the 7600X
AMD must do something about their cpu's because each generation best value cpu is x600 cpu, because it's only up to 5% slower than 16 core model. Only benefit from more cores or ccd's are rendering.
CPUs like the Ryzen 7 and 9 variants aren't made for gaming, you can make the argument that you don't need more than 6 fast cores for gaming, that being said you can jump from a 7600x to a 7800x3d if you'd like the extra gaming performance, however the 7700x is a good gaming CPU for people who'd want an 8 core part for more such as rendering, occasional streaming etc, although for that to happen they'd have to downgrade their Ryzen 5 and 7 variants to make their Ryzen 9 variants look like a better buy for gaming which would not be the case.
you want good gaming performance and nothing more? get a 7600x
you want to do gaming and light productivity? get a 7700x
you want to do mostly workloads? get a 7900x or a 7950x
you want to do gaming at absurdly stupid high framerates? get a 7800x3d
want to game at stupidly high framerates and do productivity? get a 7950x3d
Rendering is not the only professional workload there is. The product segmentation for Ryzen makes a lot of sense right now, as the guy above me said. The 600 class CPUs are great for gamers, and above that class you get to choose how you want to balance productivity and gaming.