There were custom guns like that in this era. Remington model 8s as well, sometimes outfitted with 20 rd box mags. Too bad the military couldn’t get their heads around the semi auto advantages for another 30 years
по тем временам 1903 года , этот карабин ,опередил историю с полуавтоматом стрельбы ,тем более с магазином ,как у пистолета .На его основе , Германия создаст карабин ShturmGever -42/43 ,а в СССР зделают СВС-36 , СВТ - 38/41, АК -47/ АКМ/СВД
I've seen rifles that had to wound up like a watch and old grease guns had cranks on them. But yeah this one is interesting too. Kinda like a backwards paint ball gun.
@@Whiskey-cr9dq John Moses Browning had patented the charging handle on the bolt, who then sold it to Remington as part of the Model 8 self loading rifle. So Winchester couldnt use it.
And also the locked breach was patented at this time. So this rifle was a straight blowback and it really pushed the limits for a rifle that was to compete with the Remington Model 8. This rifle did see service in World War 1. Prior to machineguns, air crews needed a way to shoot for whatever reason, so the French bought some 1907s. The Model 8 was also used for this role.
@@prointernetuser Could be anything from complexity to price to reliability in adverse conditions. Early semi auto rifles had a whole host of issues that made them a pain. Though from the look of it this rifle was a combination of lack of demand as the role it was to fill was better served by other weapons at the time, price as it was relatively pricey though not nearly as much as you would think and bad timing. It began production in well 1907 in a time period where the US was in its isolationist mindset.
Who knows? Maybe it can even read DNA! 🧬 Somebody would have to disprove that, because you never know, I mean, it LOOKS like just an old magazine, but there could be more than meets the eye! 😆🤣
I remember seeing Louisiana State Troopers with these back in the early 60's. They had extended mags in them like 15 or 20 rounders. It was an issued rifle back in the day.
The quality ones, yes, I totally get that! Wood is good and blue is a sweet hue! I do like some moderns, but they have to be really something. For me, it’s a certain style that matches a certain mood.
@@shockwave6416Oldies pretty much have the look and their performance isn’t necessarily less than moderns. I’m also about the worst human being for taking digs at certain guns because of the looks or the name, if there’s something to go by, like high jam rates and mech problems. Like the Rossi, I just say Janice Rossi, if you’re familiar with the 1990 movie GoodFellas. 😆😈🤣 You cannot really have fun w/o making fun.
@@grahambrown1980i mean if that was true precision benchrest wouldnt be domimated by fiberglass, carbon fiber, and alloy metal chassis. Wood looks good but it also swells and isnt exaclty the best for accuracy
Beautiful rifle. T. C. Johnson design the 1907 Winchester These were primarily used by prison guards. The .351 WSL came with 5,10 and20 round magazines. Its latter spinoff, the 1910 in .401 WSL was an absolute freight train of a cartridge. It developed over 2000 lbs/ft. at the muzzle.
@@geigertec5921The semiautomatic rifles were more expensive to produce, and when outfitting entire armies, price is key. Also, semiauto weapons were new and somewhat unproven in battle. Finally, military leaders still had relied on battle tactics originating in the Napoleonic era. They were afraid soldiers would waste too much ammo with bolt action rifles, let alone semiautomatic ones. Interestingly though, there are cases where semi automatic weapons were used in the war. This was on a very small scale though.
@@geigertec5921They had Alot of back and forth about different options back then, but the main reason I forget which general or top brass guy was against it just like back when they went from beach loading up to mag (grunt's will just waste all the ammo, get scared and either dump all of it or runout of what they had on them as they didn't carry Much) plus they were worried about reliability issues, training soldiers to fix things like jam's mid fight in stress, don't have to retrain the entire armory staff and less stuff to break for them to need to fix, cost was another BIG deal and I'm not sure how quickly they could have pumped out these guns even if somehow they had Winchester and Remington making the exact same gun and caliber (never would happen) ontop of the civilian success they had and we also already had them busy with regular rifle's, pistol etc for us and our ally's the main one being we NEEDED as many of those sweet sweet trench brooms of freedom for the Germans tench's so they could cry more, the other big thing is in almost every military situation it's hard for regular people to understand the scale they're operating on . They need all these guns, spare parts, trained repairman, a logistical and reliable pipeline of more components, guns or anything related for before and during war, Also we as a country had REALLY started to come together as a serious military power now that we got our independence, natives, Mexicans, Spanish, French, British again twice... And our civil war... Then again Spain and somehow the Philippines then Guam.. we pretty much been at war sense we had the first one to exist, the civil war was obviously a HUGE setback as we took the hit of both armies and then we had to build railroads to connect all of our people to be one full country because we're so spread out and then of course stop all the natives rating on the way over, and then from there they were still coming out of the civil war and into the late pretty much the same way as we left the civil war with a lot of guys using Springfield trapdoor rifles which are single shot breach loaders, or alot of modified muskets to breach loaded of different caliber, manufacturer it was a shit show and Alot of guys brought there own guns, like if they had a lever gun so we started really trying to be a giant cohesive force now we are all one, The Spanish war REALLY opened our eyes as to how bad of shape we were and how Superior they were compared to us with tactics equipment and everything and we basically copied a lot of things that they did but luckily we still won but they are the exact reason why we went from using the old school ball looking ammunition from the old rifles that you see into the new modern type rifles that are pointier that you see all over the place in the military like the 30 06.. it's called a spitzer bullet and WAYY more accurate, areo dynamic and does insane damage especially with more weight in the back they saw tumbling and expanding/fragmenting rounds for the first time and They Also had modern bolt action rifles so we dropped everything and the entire military agreed on a bolt action, magazine held stripper clip fed full size and power battle rifle and they had weird ideas about range and different things but whatever. So basically from the start of the 1900s we all agreed on the 1903 model rifle and I think it was showing a little before that started getting produced and we started buying them up for a military so now we all had the same done same parts I wanted to have one for every single soldier as well as ammunition storage foreverybody and parts as well and it was a very powerful rifle for the time super advanced almost no issues and you could hit somebody as far as you can see and you could actually go through pretty good armor and even really early tanks from up close. It takes a long time to get half a million rifle's, parts all the logistics trained armorer's, training for marksmen, and a shit ton of ammo storage. The first world war started in 1917 I believe and I don't think it by then they still had everything done yet which was 15 years later and it would have been that much worse if in 1908 or so they saw this new rifle and reset all over again and the benefit really wouldn't have been that great compared like yeah you might have had a little bit more but for all the extra effort and then it's an untested weapon and doctorine... Plus mounted real deal machine guns started being the norm as well as mortars, armored vehicles and all new tactics... other big problem most of the war was locked in trench warfare, semi auto rifle would not be much of a help and every army had big old rifle's and trenches were not close per say but not too far and taking pot shots and all the sniper's who specialize in trench sniper fights or sneaking out and sniping the man on the machine gun And keep killing any new ones while you're Men charge... Using a (for that time) EXTREMELY underpowered cartridge If I recall it's not much better than . 30 carbine was nowhere near the range, accuracy, power and retained power at range to blast barriers etc, the 30.06 is going to shoot way beyond your eyes and might kill someone a mile away at chow for all u know lol bullet drop and all was worse on the semi as well, they weren't the new style spitzer bullet and that's what they wanted, then of course the B. A. R. being the same caliber and similar size but heavier and the new mounted mg's with shotgun's and 1911 up close the bolts were just there for filler and cover fire, that ontop of the browning. 50 and . 3006 machine guns and the B. A. R. All the same caliber ( not. 50 but yeah) ALOT Less logistics as . 50 was more anti everything but personel.
@ProtikPC_pro_indigo I used a Super X2 for years, and bought an X3 when they came out, for duck & goose hunting. You can shoot 3½ mags all day & not feel a thing
@ProtikPC_pro_indigo You'll like this then! I was fortunate enough to grow up 15 minutes from a gun club & started shooting clays at 10 years old. By my mid to late 20's, I had acquired a nice little collection of higher end over & unders, and sporting semi's. I bought my SX2 just before the start of early goose season, and decided to take it to the club for one of our regular outings, to get a feel for it. The first time I ever shot it, I blew away my personal record on the skeet field with it!
I don't think this video shows that we have progressed all that much. Optics are outdated. Obviously this weighs a little more than some modern rifles. But that can be debated as whether it's a pro or a con. Honestly this is a viable hunting/self defense/ and all around sport rifle to this day.
I used to not be a fan of classic guns when I was like 14-18. I wanted the newest and coolest AR semi auto platform. Now I’m 24 and find these old guns absolutely fascinating.
Its funny you say that, I was in our Units Combat and pistol team, and being in the National Guard at the time we were allowed to sign out our weapons and take them home. No joke. fully auto M16 1988 to 1999 is when I was in. But today, i dont even own an AR15, I prefer Lever Action rifles, shotguns and I do have a .45 and a .357. But i love my lever action .357. Its crazy accurate and easy to operate.
@@spudthegreaterusa8386 I couldn’t imagine being able to take my m27 or m45 back home to shoot lol. I bet if we could a lot of Marines would have better qual scores.
@jacobkean03 Hey, the ironic thing is I was in the Airforce. A KC 135 Crewchief. Go figure right. But it was completely legal, just most members didnt take advantage of it.
its direct blow back it has no delay like with a gas system. just know it didnt catch on because it puts alot of wear on the internals when firing big boy bullets. direct blow back still works fine and is used to this day with alot of smaller calibers
Just want to point out how difficult keeping “ECO” blued steel perfect over the ages is. My model 28-2 N frame which was my grandpas carry as a sheriff in the 60s has the original finish with next to zero pitting. With a 6inch muzzle it’s hard to keep clean in the wild. It also shoots a 3inch group at 75yrds consistent. Old= good still
I carry a Model 28-2 or a Colt Trooper Mk III on my security job. They are the best guns I have ever owned. But I sure would like to get my hands on that Winchester!!!
This gun was issued to half the French armee de l'air and Royal flying corp during the first years of WWI... at the time machine guns were not really enstablished as defensive weapons on an aircraft so you had a guy with this thing shooting from the rear position of the airplane against incoming threats... the odds of hitting something was pretty negligible. That said this gung was a pretty engineering marvel for it's time!
It's blowback operated with a massive breech block extension that goes all the way under the handguard. But that pressure's gotta still be hard to slow down.
My grandpa had one of these as a truck gun for years. It was older than he was, but it worked flawlessly. It had an aftermarket magazine and a short stock with a rubber shock absorber. It now belongs to his best friend Darryl, who still uses the old thing on a regular basis. I'd love to have one, but they're pretty steep these days...
Pretty sure, more often than not, lead core bullets hitting steel targets always smash into a million pieces like hitting playdough with a sledgehammer
Can confirm the scrambler 1200 is 100% worth selling a few of the other bikes in order to afford. I picked up a 2019 XC in matte green with a brown leather seat for 9k with 3k miles on it. Most expensive vehicle of any kind I’ve ever bought but worth every penny. Jumped right on it and rode from the dealer in Tacoma down RT1 to Oceanside, then across the mts to Indio and on to Phoenix for a bit, then back to San Diego to put the bike on the boat home to Hawaii. Great bike, great trip, 10/10 would do again
@@samaalizade2843apparently not the best warrior. The u.s. Marines bested them at every turn! I do have respect for them but to say they are the best is just wrong.
Other early autoloaders include the Remington model 08 in .35 Remington and the first gas-op autoloader, Delaware's own "Standard Arms Corporation of Wilmington Delaware" Model G (for gas) also in .25, .30 and.35 Remington. It was about 70 years ahead of it's time as you could shut off the gas valve and switch it to pump action! That's right, it operated like a SPAS-12 back in 1911-1912! Standard also made a pump only version called the Model M (surprise!) They were only in production for about a year. There was also a Swiss made semi auto called "Mondragon" in 7x57mm Mauser that was issued to the Mexican army about 1907-1910.
@@theandycrunkmondragons of any variety are insanely pricy and rare, even incomplete ones have sold for 8k+. Probably much better to get a mauser. Personally I prefer the K98k but any model 98 mauser rifle will be great. Gewehr 98s in 7.92x57 Mauser were made for a lot of different countries over the years, turkish ones should be relatively inexpensive
Finally a video wherein he’s showing some respect and care for the firearm someone has placed in his care, and he’s not throwing it down and pouring rounds all over it.
Thank you for treating your items with care instead of **throwing* them on the table, like a fool, as so many others foolishly do. Ten out of Ten to you.
Winchester also made a 22 one off like this with the charge rod on the end of the stock. Ammo is scarce and expensive due to the early black powder casings still being popular which required Winchester to have their own 22 ammo made with smokless powder to not jam up the mechanism. To ensure owners wouldnt mistakingly use black powder casings, the 22 casing was made slighlty different than the originals resulting in only one type of ammo available. Machinists can alter parts to use modern 22s but that completely trashes the value.
Unlikely. Semi-auto doesn't help much when the weapon is overall more awkward to operate than a traditional bolt-action. The charging rod is in an unusual spot and would likely be hard to use with wet/muddy fingers. And, historically, spare mags weren't all that common back then, so the lack of a stripper clip guide doesn't do the 1907 any favors either.
@@Horgleradding lips for striper clips are easy enough, they did it on the Winchester for the Russians The cocking mechanisms though that’s definitely a problem
You can see just how much oomph this unique round and cartridge has. Taking a hit in a ballistic vest or plate would probably feel like you just got hit with a cannonball.
It has about the same energy than standard issue US military 556 M855A1. Just looked it up because this felt wrong. Big bullets do big damage, medium bullets at twice the velocity do big damage with less weight and more range. Fuck grammar I'm drunk but also am gun nerd me right dyor ok love u bye grandma.
Thomas Crossley Johnson worked for Winchester when he designed this firearm and several others. His designs were the first commercially available self-loading rimfire and centerfire rifles, along with several other of Winchester's iconic models like the model 12 shotguns, and his work led to the model 70 bolt action rifles also.
@ivanthehunter3530 not really. Just like a pocket pistol, it's a relatively low chamber pressure round (under 40k psi, so magnum pistol range), using beefy brass, fast powders, and heavier than pistol bullets. So the pressure curve peaks rapidly, and falls off steeply. It has a HUGE bolt (that forend is basically a wooden skin filled with bolt mass), so plenty of inertia to overcome. As it doesn't require lubed brass (like many delayed blowback full power rifle rounds) or fluted chambers to prevent case head separations, we can presume the pressure has fallen markedly before the bolt travels much more than microscopically. So, it's really "balanced action" as opposed to incipient case bursting. It just has that super quick bolt speed because the spring rate is a bit low initially (it looks to be a progressive rate) to make cocking manageable, while still allowing reliable function. It's a genuine tightrope walk of engineering, lol. I'd bet it has fairly stout recoil compared to performance. It's also probably QUITE ammo sensitive, maybe one or 2 options of bullet weight/velocity It's an interesting design, but less versatile than say the long recoil remingtons it competed with.
Love these old Winchesters with these unique as fuck charging handles. Learned to shoot on one of the .22LR rifles they made and it has the same action. I forget the model and year of it but I wanna hunt one down for myself so badly. The nostalgia when I see videos of someone shooting/handling one. 😊
The one depicted here has the early round "button" style charger. Later version ( mine) utilizes a curved actuator on the end of the charger to help assist with turning the charger 90 degrees when fully depressed to actuate the bolt hold open function.
No it isn't? It doesn't have any of the assault weapon (assault rifle is a military term) characteristics andI doubt it was bannedby name. It's a centerfire semi-auto rifle with a detachable box magazine, but it lacks either: a pistol grip, a vertical foregrip, or a flash hider. This is why you see like the M1A with a muzzle break instead of the regular flash hider in CA, or the infamous AR-15 fin grips. This rifle is legal in CA and to my knowledge always has been.
The model 1905 was .35 Winchester Self Loader. The 1907 was chambered for the improved .351WSL. Then came the M1910 in the mighty .401WSL! I'd like to point out that if they had just brought back the .351WSL, there would be no need for the .350 Legend.
mag fed semi auto in 1907 is insane. imagine if it held 20+ and had a pistol grip
There were custom guns like that in this era. Remington model 8s as well, sometimes outfitted with 20 rd box mags. Too bad the military couldn’t get their heads around the semi auto advantages for another 30 years
possibly too expensive. sadly its largely Politicians are who outfit our soldiers, not our generals@@jacobackley502
The 1903 model had a 10 round mag
They did. Gangster of the era did it all the time. They cut down b.a.r and Tommy's later on too.
по тем временам 1903 года , этот карабин ,опередил историю с полуавтоматом стрельбы ,тем более с магазином ,как у пистолета .На его основе , Германия создаст карабин ShturmGever -42/43 ,а в СССР зделают СВС-36 , СВТ - 38/41, АК -47/ АКМ/СВД
One of the most unique charging mechanisms I've ever seen on a rifle. But hey, if it works, it works!
They had to do it that way because Browning had patented a handle on the bolt and he abd winchester had fallen out in the 1890's.
I've seen rifles that had to wound up like a watch and old grease guns had cranks on them. But yeah this one is interesting too. Kinda like a backwards paint ball gun.
@@smackarel7I thought it was Remington?
@@Whiskey-cr9dq John Moses Browning had patented the charging handle on the bolt, who then sold it to Remington as part of the Model 8 self loading rifle. So Winchester couldnt use it.
And also the locked breach was patented at this time. So this rifle was a straight blowback and it really pushed the limits for a rifle that was to compete with the Remington Model 8.
This rifle did see service in World War 1. Prior to machineguns, air crews needed a way to shoot for whatever reason, so the French bought some 1907s. The Model 8 was also used for this role.
It ejects so fast you can hardly see the empty case fly out. Weird design, but it obviously works very well.
probably too expensive or complex to be adopted by armies at the time.
@@prointernetuser Could be anything from complexity to price to reliability in adverse conditions. Early semi auto rifles had a whole host of issues that made them a pain. Though from the look of it this rifle was a combination of lack of demand as the role it was to fill was better served by other weapons at the time, price as it was relatively pricey though not nearly as much as you would think and bad timing. It began production in well 1907 in a time period where the US was in its isolationist mindset.
Beautiful example of early 1900's craftsmanship
Back when people cared about great products
Absolutely.
This gun was one of the many that ended Bonnie and Clyde’s rampage
Frank Hamer used one of those rifles. I have heard that he killed over fifty men & was wounded seventeen times in his career.
Yes you are correct Sir.
@@robertsansone1680highway men on Netflix: partner asks him: how much bullets you got floating around in you?.. ❤🎉
fuck bonnie and fuck clyde how people idolises bad people is beyond me.
@@robertsansone1680he used the Remington version. Called the Remington auto loading or model 8
I bet that magazine knows the blood type of every person that's ever loaded it.
Nothings perfect 😅
That, exactly
Who knows? Maybe it can even read DNA! 🧬 Somebody would have to disprove that, because you never know, I mean, it LOOKS like just an old magazine, but there could be more than meets the eye! 😆🤣
@@douglascrawford4791That only applies to people. 😅
Mags like that really aren't hard to load and IF it were sharp enough to cut you when you load it you could just sand/file it smooth
I remember seeing Louisiana State Troopers with these back in the early 60's. They had extended mags in them like 15 or 20 rounders. It was an issued rifle back in the day.
Every single bf1 medic main "THATZ DA M1907 SL SWEEPR FROM BF1"
i used to go crazy with it on bf1😔
@@judsonthrasher9816 Same.
Thank you
You guys know that people still play BF1, mainly Shock Ops and Operations when it’s later in the day.
@@AleksKieca I still play it regularly
For anyone who wonders what this gun is chambered in
It's .351 SL
My father had one chambered in .401. Loved that rifle
Thank you, that was my exact question.
Thank you!
Thank you! I was wondering.
Was definitely trying to see the cartridges with my magnifying glass. Thanx.
American ASMR.
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🗿☕ some men enjoy this too
I'm not American but I love this too!
@@bagaktv8984i bet ur Russian
Old guns have character and shoot such good groups. I like blue and wood over all this new material any day.
The quality ones, yes, I totally get that! Wood is good and blue is a sweet hue! I do like some moderns, but they have to be really something. For me, it’s a certain style that matches a certain mood.
@@shockwave6416Oldies pretty much have the look and their performance isn’t necessarily less than moderns. I’m also about the worst human being for taking digs at certain guns because of the looks or the name, if there’s something to go by, like high jam rates and mech problems.
Like the Rossi, I just say Janice Rossi, if you’re familiar with the 1990 movie GoodFellas. 😆😈🤣 You cannot really have fun w/o making fun.
@@grahambrown1980i mean if that was true precision benchrest wouldnt be domimated by fiberglass, carbon fiber, and alloy metal chassis. Wood looks good but it also swells and isnt exaclty the best for accuracy
@@darrengarcia4937 True, but I would try my best not to get my best shooting irons all wet. I appreciate good modern designs as well. 🤠
@@shockwave6416*laughs in high ammo capacity and modularity*
Beautiful rifle. T. C. Johnson design the 1907 Winchester These were primarily used by prison guards. The .351 WSL came with 5,10 and20 round magazines. Its latter spinoff, the 1910 in .401 WSL was an absolute freight train of a cartridge. It developed over 2000 lbs/ft. at the muzzle.
Thanks for the information.
what would be a round in common use most similar to the .351, in size as plus as ballistics?
The .351 has similar ballistics to the.30-30
That Man knows his stuff.
It sounds like the .401 WSL is similar performance-wise to the 500 S&W Magnum in a 8 3/8" barreled revolver.
What a game changer from 1907. Way before its time.
You are so lucky to have this and the ammo to shoot it.
Why the heck didn't they use this in WWI? Why did Winchester deliver lever guns to the Russians in WWI when they could have had these semi autos?
@@geigertec5921The semiautomatic rifles were more expensive to produce, and when outfitting entire armies, price is key. Also, semiauto weapons were new and somewhat unproven in battle. Finally, military leaders still had relied on battle tactics originating in the Napoleonic era. They were afraid soldiers would waste too much ammo with bolt action rifles, let alone semiautomatic ones. Interestingly though, there are cases where semi automatic weapons were used in the war. This was on a very small scale though.
@@geigertec5921They had Alot of back and forth about different options back then, but the main reason I forget which general or top brass guy was against it just like back when they went from beach loading up to mag (grunt's will just waste all the ammo, get scared and either dump all of it or runout of what they had on them as they didn't carry Much) plus they were worried about reliability issues, training soldiers to fix things like jam's mid fight in stress, don't have to retrain the entire armory staff and less stuff to break for them to need to fix, cost was another BIG deal and I'm not sure how quickly they could have pumped out these guns even if somehow they had Winchester and Remington making the exact same gun and caliber (never would happen) ontop of the civilian success they had and we also already had them busy with regular rifle's, pistol etc for us and our ally's the main one being we NEEDED as many of those sweet sweet trench brooms of freedom for the Germans tench's so they could cry more, the other big thing is in almost every military situation it's hard for regular people to understand the scale they're operating on . They need all these guns, spare parts, trained repairman, a logistical and reliable pipeline of more components, guns or anything related for before and during war, Also we as a country had REALLY started to come together as a serious military power now that we got our independence, natives, Mexicans, Spanish, French, British again twice... And our civil war... Then again Spain and somehow the Philippines then Guam.. we pretty much been at war sense we had the first one to exist, the civil war was obviously a HUGE setback as we took the hit of both armies and then we had to build railroads to connect all of our people to be one full country because we're so spread out and then of course stop all the natives rating on the way over, and then from there they were still coming out of the civil war and into the late pretty much the same way as we left the civil war with a lot of guys using Springfield trapdoor rifles which are single shot breach loaders, or alot of modified muskets to breach loaded of different caliber, manufacturer it was a shit show and Alot of guys brought there own guns, like if they had a lever gun so we started really trying to be a giant cohesive force now we are all one, The Spanish war REALLY opened our eyes as to how bad of shape we were and how Superior they were compared to us with tactics equipment and everything and we basically copied a lot of things that they did but luckily we still won but they are the exact reason why we went from using the old school ball looking ammunition from the old rifles that you see into the new modern type rifles that are pointier that you see all over the place in the military like the 30 06.. it's called a spitzer bullet and WAYY more accurate, areo dynamic and does insane damage especially with more weight in the back they saw tumbling and expanding/fragmenting rounds for the first time and They Also had modern bolt action rifles so we dropped everything and the entire military agreed on a bolt action, magazine held stripper clip fed full size and power battle rifle and they had weird ideas about range and different things but whatever. So basically from the start of the 1900s we all agreed on the 1903 model rifle and I think it was showing a little before that started getting produced and we started buying them up for a military so now we all had the same done same parts I wanted to have one for every single soldier as well as ammunition storage foreverybody and parts as well and it was a very powerful rifle for the time super advanced almost no issues and you could hit somebody as far as you can see and you could actually go through pretty good armor and even really early tanks from up close. It takes a long time to get half a million rifle's, parts all the logistics trained armorer's, training for marksmen, and a shit ton of ammo storage. The first world war started in 1917 I believe and I don't think it by then they still had everything done yet which was 15 years later and it would have been that much worse if in 1908 or so they saw this new rifle and reset all over again and the benefit really wouldn't have been that great compared like yeah you might have had a little bit more but for all the extra effort and then it's an untested weapon and doctorine... Plus mounted real deal machine guns started being the norm as well as mortars, armored vehicles and all new tactics... other big problem most of the war was locked in trench warfare, semi auto rifle would not be much of a help and every army had big old rifle's and trenches were not close per say but not too far and taking pot shots and all the sniper's who specialize in trench sniper fights or sneaking out and sniping the man on the machine gun And keep killing any new ones while you're Men charge... Using a (for that time) EXTREMELY underpowered cartridge If I recall it's not much better than . 30 carbine was nowhere near the range, accuracy, power and retained power at range to blast barriers etc, the 30.06 is going to shoot way beyond your eyes and might kill someone a mile away at chow for all u know lol bullet drop and all was worse on the semi as well, they weren't the new style spitzer bullet and that's what they wanted, then of course the B. A. R. being the same caliber and similar size but heavier and the new mounted mg's with shotgun's and 1911 up close the bolts were just there for filler and cover fire, that ontop of the browning. 50 and . 3006 machine guns and the B. A. R. All the same caliber ( not. 50 but yeah) ALOT Less logistics as . 50 was more anti everything but personel.
I have the gun. Not the ammo tho. Need to learn how to handload.
@@andrewmaximo4485look up the parent case and or the SAMMI specs and convert brass to that cartridge. Hardest part is finding the dies...
Simple, uncomplicated, sleek and so beautiful to look at and hold.
A classic in every respect.
The fit & finish look beautiful, and everything seems so smooth. Gotta admit, I was expecting more recoil
@@jrsmith3344 make no mistake, Winchester rifles pack a tremendous punch. Their recoil is misleading. That's the brilliance of their engineering.
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I used a Super X2 for years, and bought an X3 when they came out, for duck & goose hunting. You can shoot 3½ mags all day & not feel a thing
@@jrsmith3344 yep! Precisely what I was talking earlier ! The shotgun of shotguns !!
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You'll like this then! I was fortunate enough to grow up 15 minutes from a gun club & started shooting clays at 10 years old. By my mid to late 20's, I had acquired a nice little collection of higher end over & unders, and sporting semi's. I bought my SX2 just before the start of early goose season, and decided to take it to the club for one of our regular outings, to get a feel for it. The first time I ever shot it, I blew away my personal record on the skeet field with it!
Семейство винчестеров, как отдельный вид произведения искусства
Well said.
It’s crazy to think about how advanced this was for the time, and how far we’ve progressed engineering over the last 110+ years
I don't think this video shows that we have progressed all that much. Optics are outdated. Obviously this weighs a little more than some modern rifles. But that can be debated as whether it's a pro or a con. Honestly this is a viable hunting/self defense/ and all around sport rifle to this day.
Ehhhh…Our progression is honestly very mid lol
I think humanity is getting close to peaking for goodtbh 😂 All downhill from there…
Ikr! Unreal!
M1 carbine ancestor.
Winchester really make some fine weapons
No question about it
Did
Isn't that a JM Browning design?
@@lesbratton No, which is why Winchester had to do a few "work-arounds" (like the cocking action) due to patents the John M. Browning owned!
@@lesbrattonJohnson design.
I used to not be a fan of classic guns when I was like 14-18. I wanted the newest and coolest AR semi auto platform. Now I’m 24 and find these old guns absolutely fascinating.
Это очень хорошо, чем старше становишься, тем больше очарования находишь в жизни, главное это осознавать! Счастья и всего самого доброго!
Its funny you say that, I was in our Units Combat and pistol team, and being in the National Guard at the time we were allowed to sign out our weapons and take them home. No joke. fully auto M16 1988 to 1999 is when I was in. But today, i dont even own an AR15, I prefer Lever Action rifles, shotguns and I do have a .45 and a .357. But i love my lever action .357. Its crazy accurate and easy to operate.
@@spudthegreaterusa8386 I couldn’t imagine being able to take my m27 or m45 back home to shoot lol. I bet if we could a lot of Marines would have better qual scores.
@@user-nt1qj1eu6q Looks like Russian? can you translate to English?
@jacobkean03 Hey, the ironic thing is I was in the Airforce. A KC 135 Crewchief. Go figure right. But it was completely legal, just most members didnt take advantage of it.
Love how he lovingly puts the rifle down. And that's one of the fastest ejected shells I've ever seen.
Thanks for sharing Man. Awesome awesome piece of history.
A beautiful weapon.
It's gorgeous...
I loved this gun in Battlefield 1 & 5
Especially the Sweeper in BF1 and Full Auto in BF5.
You know, giving my finger a break.
Same
That’s the game I first saw it on! Cool rifle!
Came here for this comment
Shame they don't have it in Red Dead
I was having a pretty crumby day, but seeing you shoot my favorite gun really made up for it!
Maybe you need to get a life 🤔
@AA-69, maybe you need to shut the actual FUCK up! And keep your opinions to yourself!!!
Very neat rifle. I love the classics.
It’s nuts how fast that rifle cycles
its direct blow back it has no delay like with a gas system. just know it didnt catch on because it puts alot of wear on the internals when firing big boy bullets. direct blow back still works fine and is used to this day with alot of smaller calibers
I love old semi automatic rifles
They’re truly some of the most unique pieces of machinery out there
"Civilians don't need these modern semi-auto assault weapons."
"How about Grandpa's gun from 1907?"
"Sure, that's fine."
Pra 1907 top demais até hoje .
I like how we've basically come full circle back around to this gun with the AR-15 in 350 legend.
Just want to point out how difficult keeping “ECO” blued steel perfect over the ages is. My model 28-2 N frame which was my grandpas carry as a sheriff in the 60s has the original finish with next to zero pitting. With a 6inch muzzle it’s hard to keep clean in the wild. It also shoots a 3inch group at 75yrds consistent. Old= good still
I carried a Model 28 in the 80's- 90's. Still in excellent condition. It takes a little extra effort.
I carry a Model 28-2 or a Colt Trooper Mk III on my security job. They are the best guns I have ever owned. But I sure would like to get my hands on that Winchester!!!
Growing up my brother had a 28. Was fu. To shoot, we did alot of reloading back then..
Для 1907 года у него прекрасное сочетание
This gun was issued to half the French armee de l'air and Royal flying corp during the first years of WWI... at the time machine guns were not really enstablished as defensive weapons on an aircraft so you had a guy with this thing shooting from the rear position of the airplane against incoming threats... the odds of hitting something was pretty negligible. That said this gung was a pretty engineering marvel for it's time!
Everything about this rifle looks great
Two movies I’ve seen that had this rifle: The Highwaymen & Public Enemies. And two video games that have this: Battlefield 1 & Battlefield V.
Простота и удобство. Чудо инженерии того времени. Браво.
Хотя я и пацифист.😊
Nice looking rifle!
Good god that bolt was fucking booking it. God allmighty cycklic speed
It's blowback operated with a massive breech block extension that goes all the way under the handguard. But that pressure's gotta still be hard to slow down.
Get checked for dyslexia and dysgraphia
@@lambsauce5312 neither of those are evident here tard
@@lambsauce5312he misspelled a single word, calm down lmao
@@lambsauce5312🤓🤓🤓
That gun was war ahead of its time
Beautiful, vintage looks with modern ish action
My grandpa had one of these as a truck gun for years. It was older than he was, but it worked flawlessly. It had an aftermarket magazine and a short stock with a rubber shock absorber.
It now belongs to his best friend Darryl, who still uses the old thing on a regular basis.
I'd love to have one, but they're pretty steep these days...
i like how the bullet hits the target. hard hitting so even the bullet sort of splits apart and a chunk flies off
Pretty sure, more often than not, lead core bullets hitting steel targets always smash into a million pieces like hitting playdough with a sledgehammer
@@jimzeez yeah makes sense i guess. steel = hard, lead = soft (for metal)
What a beauty. So ahead of its time
Give it a 20round mag and a side charging lever and you have an absolute BEAST of a service rifle going into WW1.
How well each part fits, the cartridge clip, as a single mechanism...
this is a work of art.
Always loved the 1907! Very beautiful rifle. Thank you for the footage!
That’s definitely the absolute most unique action I’ve ever seen!
Can confirm the scrambler 1200 is 100% worth selling a few of the other bikes in order to afford. I picked up a 2019 XC in matte green with a brown leather seat for 9k with 3k miles on it. Most expensive vehicle of any kind I’ve ever bought but worth every penny. Jumped right on it and rode from the dealer in Tacoma down RT1 to Oceanside, then across the mts to Indio and on to Phoenix for a bit, then back to San Diego to put the bike on the boat home to Hawaii. Great bike, great trip, 10/10 would do again
It's crazy how efficient we are at making tools and how quickly we adapt to make things better.
派手な演出な他のチャンネルより日本人の僕にはこのチャンネルの動画が1番合ってる
شما عالي هستيد
من ژاپنی ها را دوست دارم
بهترین جنگجو
بهترین صنعتگر
ملت با فرهنگ عالی
و ملتی کوشا هستند
@@samaalizade2843 僕が読めない言語なのでGoogleなどで翻訳してくれると嬉しいです
Really. Every time I see something from Japan it's super flashy. Highlighted bold colors with huge text.
@@samaalizade2843apparently not the best warrior. The u.s. Marines bested them at every turn! I do have respect for them but to say they are the best is just wrong.
Brings me back to the time i was a medic in the ardennes forest in 1915
Which number life are you on now?
Дункан Маклауд?!?😱🤫
Us Immortals must Stick 🏒 2gether
Over 100 years old and still fires like a champ
Old semi autos just hit different
Oh my god it's THE gunshot sound
Awesome video love it
These old guns have charisma and elegance
The rifle used by older Eli Mccullough in The Son. Great show
Never used by us troops in ww1 but by the French,Britain,Italy and Russian empire
интересная заметка.
John Moses Browning may be our Lord and Savior, but Winchester is a Covert of fuckin' Gun Wizards
Best comment on here lol
@@jeffreysolomon9980 😎👍
Those old self loaders really were something
Other early autoloaders include the Remington model 08 in .35 Remington and the first gas-op autoloader, Delaware's own "Standard Arms Corporation of Wilmington Delaware" Model G (for gas) also in .25, .30 and.35 Remington. It was about 70 years ahead of it's time as you could shut off the gas valve and switch it to pump action! That's right, it operated like a SPAS-12 back in 1911-1912! Standard also made a pump only version called the Model M (surprise!)
They were only in production for about a year.
There was also a Swiss made semi auto called "Mondragon" in 7x57mm Mauser that was issued to the Mexican army about 1907-1910.
Are the mondragons still available? I've got alot of Mauser ammo but no Mauser. Or would it be better to get a Mauser? If so which model?
@@theandycrunkmondragons of any variety are insanely pricy and rare, even incomplete ones have sold for 8k+. Probably much better to get a mauser. Personally I prefer the K98k but any model 98 mauser rifle will be great. Gewehr 98s in 7.92x57 Mauser were made for a lot of different countries over the years, turkish ones should be relatively inexpensive
POV: California compliant
1880s to 1920s gotta be my favorite era for guns
Looks like a .35 Remington cartridge.
Battlefield 1 nailed this gun
Feel like it would make a good hunting rifle/brush gun
It did and does! I shot my first deer with one of these at the age of 12. Was my grandfather’s favorite gun
Its def a bush whacker.
If this rifle could talk. I would say " I've even kicked demons out of hell"
Finally a video wherein he’s showing some respect and care for the firearm someone has placed in his care, and he’s not throwing it down and pouring rounds all over it.
Winchester sights on a semi auto is a wet dream
Thank you for treating your items with care instead of **throwing* them on the table, like a fool, as so many others foolishly do.
Ten out of Ten to you.
Winchester also made a 22 one off like this with the charge rod on the end of the stock. Ammo is scarce and expensive due to the early black powder casings still being popular which required Winchester to have their own 22 ammo made with smokless powder to not jam up the mechanism. To ensure owners wouldnt mistakingly use black powder casings, the 22 casing was made slighlty different than the originals resulting in only one type of ammo available. Machinists can alter parts to use modern 22s but that completely trashes the value.
I’ve fired one of these before. Old guns were works of art. It’s funny because 350 legend is popular now when it was already done over 100 years ago.
That brass goes HARD
Could have easily been the best rifle of WW1. If only it were issued en masse
Unlikely. Semi-auto doesn't help much when the weapon is overall more awkward to operate than a traditional bolt-action. The charging rod is in an unusual spot and would likely be hard to use with wet/muddy fingers. And, historically, spare mags weren't all that common back then, so the lack of a stripper clip guide doesn't do the 1907 any favors either.
@@Horgleradding lips for striper clips are easy enough, they did it on the Winchester for the Russians
The cocking mechanisms though that’s definitely a problem
M1917 Enfield is the best rifle from that war in my opinion.
If it had spitzer projectiles, lots of magazines, and stripper clip infrastructure it’d be comparable to the SKS made some 40yrs later
@@Horglergood point. Imagine laying that charging rod across the ground over the edge of a trench or prone.. in those conditions
Even in slow mo , that casing comes out fast asf
I had 2 of these. They were RCMP issue. One in .35 and the other in .351, could not find ammo for them but really innovative guns at the time
Herp Derp direct blowback recoil go brrrr!
A beautiful Winchester
i really do like that quiet rural american ambience, with the crickets buzzing about in the background
This thing is just pure eye candy. I gushed when i saw its usage in BF1
You can see just how much oomph this unique round and cartridge has. Taking a hit in a ballistic vest or plate would probably feel like you just got hit with a cannonball.
It has about the same energy than standard issue US military 556 M855A1. Just looked it up because this felt wrong.
Big bullets do big damage, medium bullets at twice the velocity do big damage with less weight and more range.
Fuck grammar I'm drunk but also am gun nerd me right dyor ok love u bye grandma.
TODA UNA OBRA DE ARTE😮
This is a ridiculously cool piece of history you have here! Amazing find. Thank you for sharing. I'd die happy if I ever got to own one
классика,во всё и простота.
Уже тогда компактный самозорядник был, удивляет...
Love these old antique guns
Thomas Crossley Johnson worked for Winchester when he designed this firearm and several others.
His designs were the first commercially available self-loading rimfire and centerfire rifles, along with several other of Winchester's iconic models like the model 12 shotguns, and his work led to the model 70 bolt action rifles also.
Geez, the cyclic rate...
Imagine this, but full auto...
It's straight blowback action, so of course cycling is a tad brisk, lol. It's basically a giant pocket pistol
@@ludditeneaderthal bordering on the edge of premature extraction then ey? 😂
@ivanthehunter3530 not really. Just like a pocket pistol, it's a relatively low chamber pressure round (under 40k psi, so magnum pistol range), using beefy brass, fast powders, and heavier than pistol bullets. So the pressure curve peaks rapidly, and falls off steeply. It has a HUGE bolt (that forend is basically a wooden skin filled with bolt mass), so plenty of inertia to overcome. As it doesn't require lubed brass (like many delayed blowback full power rifle rounds) or fluted chambers to prevent case head separations, we can presume the pressure has fallen markedly before the bolt travels much more than microscopically. So, it's really "balanced action" as opposed to incipient case bursting. It just has that super quick bolt speed because the spring rate is a bit low initially (it looks to be a progressive rate) to make cocking manageable, while still allowing reliable function. It's a genuine tightrope walk of engineering, lol. I'd bet it has fairly stout recoil compared to performance. It's also probably QUITE ammo sensitive, maybe one or 2 options of bullet weight/velocity
It's an interesting design, but less versatile than say the long recoil remingtons it competed with.
I love the way he sets it down. Too many people on youtube these days that dont treat their guns with that kind of respect.
Im only 19 and I can say that people our age now don't treat ANYTHING with that kind of respect, and it's saddening
You treat the gun with respect, the gun treats you with respect.
What a beauty. You always feature the coolest guns. 👍
Beautiful firearm as usual. And as usual you should invest in some ear plugs 😂
Love these old Winchesters with these unique as fuck charging handles. Learned to shoot on one of the .22LR rifles they made and it has the same action. I forget the model and year of it but I wanna hunt one down for myself so badly. The nostalgia when I see videos of someone shooting/handling one. 😊
The one depicted here has the early round "button" style charger.
Later version ( mine) utilizes a curved actuator on the end of the charger to help assist with turning the charger 90 degrees when fully depressed to actuate the bolt hold open function.
The .22 you are talking about is the model 63.
A Winchester without lever action is like losing its identity
Damn that's a sweet rifle for 1907! Very cool!
In California this is classified as a assault rifle
No it isn't? It doesn't have any of the assault weapon (assault rifle is a military term) characteristics andI doubt it was bannedby name. It's a centerfire semi-auto rifle with a detachable box magazine, but it lacks either: a pistol grip, a vertical foregrip, or a flash hider. This is why you see like the M1A with a muzzle break instead of the regular flash hider in CA, or the infamous AR-15 fin grips. This rifle is legal in CA and to my knowledge always has been.
@@justalurker3489Wow, I believe he was being sarcastic 😐
whoosh@@justalurker3489
Damn seriously???
@@justalurker3489🤓
Sexy is an understatement. A special Thanks to the Legend himself John Mosses Browning!
Thank you for all the videos you've done on many different Guns.
God Bless
Ive never even seen this classic. It looks like he keeps it shined up.👍 What caliber?
I've looked it up and apparently it's chambered in ".351 WSL (Winchester Self-Loading)"
They used these in the film public enemies which is accurate as gmen did in fact use this weapon.
I've seen some ammo that was labeled .351 Winchester Auto-Loader.
The model 1905 was .35 Winchester Self Loader. The 1907 was chambered for the improved .351WSL. Then came the M1910 in the mighty .401WSL!
I'd like to point out that if they had just brought back the .351WSL, there would be no need for the .350 Legend.
Gözəl silah.
I've never seen one of those before. Your lucky to have it a great peirce of history.
That gun goes hard. "It's a beaut, Clark!"