I am a Naniwa guy myself but i really like the big Debado MD 3 stone series. Being extra large working surface, splash n go, and in 320, 1000, and 4000 is all a knife sharpener needs for any chefs knives. Since suehiro has come out with debado splash n go stones and gokuymo fine grit stones at 10k, 15k, and 20k they have knocked shapton out of the spot as naniwas main competitor
If you don't yet sharpen, you can do it! It is the single best thing you can do to enhance your cutting experience, get the most out of your knives and opens up an entire world of knives. Working edges are not magical and you can learn how to do it. Don't be intimidated. Take Gage's advice, get a package and watch their sharpening videos.
Between the Naniwa Professional, the Cerax, and the Debado stones, which ones would you recommend for sharpening a knife made from Blue Super steel? I've got a Fujiwara Denka and am currently using some old Chosera stones to sharpen it. They seem to work well, but they are coming to the end of their life (getting pretty thin). I'm considering ordering some Naniwa Pro's from you guys but now, having seen this video, I'm thinking I might try one of the Suehiro lines that you guys carry. What would be your recommendation? Thanks.
Going from a chosera to a cerax would be a major downgrade, but it would be right in line with the kind of hipster vibe and logic that seems to ooze from this "scene." personally, I'd suggest you get 3 shapton glass stones and call it a day. 500, 2000, 16000. Everything you would ever need to do anything. Much more convenient and user friendly than any of those. I love my choseras but they are pro/enthusiast stones. I don't think they are good for average home users at all. They're are expensive and higher maintenance. The last thing I'd suggest you get is the cerax. It has to be soaked before you can use it. When you use it it will make a very big mess. It is very friable and will create a lot of mud. You will have to use it under running water and or with edge trailing only to try to avoid the grits bouncing off of your edge and making the knife you're fixing more dull. If you want the cerax I suggest the 700 and the 6k. But I do not suggest you to get cerax at all. 2k shapton pro + pick any of the finisher, 5k, 8k, or 12k shapton pro. Or same for glass. 2k + choose one finisher, 6k, 8k, 10k or 16k.
If I'm not sharpening in a regular basis, just my home knives on my king stones kit (300,1000,4000,8000) do I need atoma flattening plate? And how much time it will be used until I need to change its diamond sheet? Thank you so much
I am a suehiro guy i got the cerax, ouka and the rika and i absolutly love them. My cerax is getting to the end of the rode and i'm thinking of getting the debado md 1 k. I picked up the chosera 3000 last week and i dont like it so much, it is a very good stone dont get me worng but too hard for me. I gess what i'm trying to ask is : is the debado md 1k a hard stone like the chosera or is it on the softer side like the cerax?
Is it recommended to only use a combination of stones from the same series and manufacturer or can I mix let's say these? Shapton Pro 320 - Gouken Arata 800 (Chosera) - Gouken Arata 3000 (Chosera) and Imanishi 8000 Kitayama (for fish knives) ? Thank you
If you have to ask then that means you don't know your equipment. Once you become familiar with your tools you will know. The way to know is to use it. You can mix from different lines but if you don't know anything you are likely to make mistakes because the stated grit ratings don't always mean what you think they will mean. You will find for instance that a 5k or 6k cerax stone is more like 2k from the sng stones. Those stones are not finishers like a 5k or 6k would be from another line like say the chosera. 5k chosera will not sharpen anything, it will create a near mirror polish. a 5k cerax will create a matte finish that looks like 1k or 2k chosera and can sharpen a dull knife. So the answer is you should know what you are doing. I'd suggest all casual home users get Shapton glass stones. I believe this will serve you best. You need at most 3 stones. Both shapton themselves and I personally suggest that you choose 500, 2k and 16k.
I’m with you there, I have the same stones including the 8k Snow White, they’re fantastic, but I been into using oil stones Norton India and Arkansas stones. I just love how these puts an edge to any blade.
I too am a Naniwa guy, i have every Chosera 400 to 10k, and various other Naniwa stones. They are excellent but I also like the xtra large Suehiro Debado MD splash n go stones too they are great too
I don't think the 10k chosera is a great choice for razors. Even at 10k grit you could regrind a razor on it. It's not a great finishing stone for a razor. A 10k or 12k SS is a much better choice. If you really want a chosera I'd suggest the 3k chosera or a 5k shapton pro and the 12k ss as the only two stones you'd ever need to do razors. Much more vital however will be strop and compound. Wood, leather, denim surfaces with 1 micron or smaller abrasives. I like to use .25 diamond or .33 alumina. I'd suggest you get 1 micron then .25 micron on strop then do normal hanging strops to make it shave ready. 10k chosera is very expensive. It's hard to justify it when a shapton pro 12k is so extremely similar, just slightly harder, less thirsty and less friable. It's a serious polishing stone. Shapton glass is also cheaper and does the same job, the 10k glass is made to compete with this stone. Again, still too aggressive to finish a razor on. I have one and at $250 it's one of the most over priced and unessisary stones of all time. I find it ironic that 30 mm stone costs $250 but Naniwa will sell you a 15 mm version of the same exact stone for like $60. Bizarre. For that price, why not get one.
I am a Naniwa guy myself but i really like the big Debado MD 3 stone series. Being extra large working surface, splash n go, and in 320, 1000, and 4000 is all a knife sharpener needs for any chefs knives. Since suehiro has come out with debado splash n go stones and gokuymo fine grit stones at 10k, 15k, and 20k they have knocked shapton out of the spot as naniwas main competitor
If you don't yet sharpen, you can do it! It is the single best thing you can do to enhance your cutting experience, get the most out of your knives and opens up an entire world of knives. Working edges are not magical and you can learn how to do it. Don't be intimidated. Take Gage's advice, get a package and watch their sharpening videos.
Between the Naniwa Professional, the Cerax, and the Debado stones, which ones would you recommend for sharpening a knife made from Blue Super steel? I've got a Fujiwara Denka and am currently using some old Chosera stones to sharpen it. They seem to work well, but they are coming to the end of their life (getting pretty thin). I'm considering ordering some Naniwa Pro's from you guys but now, having seen this video, I'm thinking I might try one of the Suehiro lines that you guys carry. What would be your recommendation? Thanks.
Going from a chosera to a cerax would be a major downgrade, but it would be right in line with the kind of hipster vibe and logic that seems to ooze from this "scene." personally, I'd suggest you get 3 shapton glass stones and call it a day. 500, 2000, 16000. Everything you would ever need to do anything. Much more convenient and user friendly than any of those. I love my choseras but they are pro/enthusiast stones. I don't think they are good for average home users at all. They're are expensive and higher maintenance.
The last thing I'd suggest you get is the cerax. It has to be soaked before you can use it. When you use it it will make a very big mess. It is very friable and will create a lot of mud. You will have to use it under running water and or with edge trailing only to try to avoid the grits bouncing off of your edge and making the knife you're fixing more dull. If you want the cerax I suggest the 700 and the 6k. But I do not suggest you to get cerax at all.
2k shapton pro + pick any of the finisher, 5k, 8k, or 12k shapton pro. Or same for glass. 2k + choose one finisher, 6k, 8k, 10k or 16k.
@@jeffhicks8428 good info, thanks for taking the time to share, I appreciate it.
If I'm not sharpening in a regular basis, just my home knives on my king stones kit (300,1000,4000,8000) do I need atoma flattening plate?
And how much time it will be used until I need to change its diamond sheet?
Thank you so much
I am a suehiro guy i got the cerax, ouka and the rika and i absolutly love them. My cerax is getting to the end of the rode and i'm thinking of getting the debado md 1 k. I picked up the chosera 3000 last week and i dont like it so much, it is a very good stone dont get me worng but too hard for me. I gess what i'm trying to ask is : is the debado md 1k a hard stone like the chosera or is it on the softer side like the cerax?
how do you hone your knife with a whetstone?
Is it recommended to only use a combination of stones from the same series and manufacturer or can I mix let's say these? Shapton Pro 320 - Gouken Arata 800 (Chosera) - Gouken Arata 3000 (Chosera) and Imanishi 8000 Kitayama (for fish knives) ? Thank you
If you have to ask then that means you don't know your equipment. Once you become familiar with your tools you will know. The way to know is to use it. You can mix from different lines but if you don't know anything you are likely to make mistakes because the stated grit ratings don't always mean what you think they will mean. You will find for instance that a 5k or 6k cerax stone is more like 2k from the sng stones. Those stones are not finishers like a 5k or 6k would be from another line like say the chosera. 5k chosera will not sharpen anything, it will create a near mirror polish. a 5k cerax will create a matte finish that looks like 1k or 2k chosera and can sharpen a dull knife. So the answer is you should know what you are doing. I'd suggest all casual home users get Shapton glass stones. I believe this will serve you best. You need at most 3 stones. Both shapton themselves and I personally suggest that you choose 500, 2k and 16k.
@@jeffhicks8428 Thank you Jeff, that is very informative.
How about the natural stones?
I use choisera stones 400,800,and 3000. I enjoy not having to soak them.
I’m with you there, I have the same stones including the 8k Snow White, they’re fantastic, but I been into using oil stones Norton India and Arkansas stones. I just love how these puts an edge to any blade.
I too am a Naniwa guy, i have every Chosera 400 to 10k, and various other Naniwa stones. They are excellent but I also like the xtra large Suehiro Debado MD splash n go stones too they are great too
Your a strait up guy. Telling people how it is
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I don't think the 10k chosera is a great choice for razors. Even at 10k grit you could regrind a razor on it. It's not a great finishing stone for a razor. A 10k or 12k SS is a much better choice. If you really want a chosera I'd suggest the 3k chosera or a 5k shapton pro and the 12k ss as the only two stones you'd ever need to do razors. Much more vital however will be strop and compound. Wood, leather, denim surfaces with 1 micron or smaller abrasives. I like to use .25 diamond or .33 alumina. I'd suggest you get 1 micron then .25 micron on strop then do normal hanging strops to make it shave ready.
10k chosera is very expensive. It's hard to justify it when a shapton pro 12k is so extremely similar, just slightly harder, less thirsty and less friable. It's a serious polishing stone. Shapton glass is also cheaper and does the same job, the 10k glass is made to compete with this stone. Again, still too aggressive to finish a razor on. I have one and at $250 it's one of the most over priced and unessisary stones of all time. I find it ironic that 30 mm stone costs $250 but Naniwa will sell you a 15 mm version of the same exact stone for like $60. Bizarre. For that price, why not get one.
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