You can now buy the Melling M390HV here- amzn.to/36INRYJ Melling Part Lookup- www.melling.com/parts-lookup/ Melling Press Release- drive.google.com/file/d/1c1oHbuFXtxb39kFnYRCPE12rOEdhzaYq/view?usp=sharing
I believe he was a Ford Master tech. My guess would be they didn’t like him telling us about Fords short comings..... And you may or may not have noticed he drives a Ram not an F150 !!
@Kurt B, In my experience, training people to do something is often less satisfying than doing that same work myself. The exception is when the students are bright and eager, but they are often in the minority. They are also more likely to be like Brian -- they figure things out for themselves without needing someone else to train them. What is needed is to clone him.
@@robm3357, The Ford engineering group should hire him to teach them how to design an F-150 that would win him back. I'm certain that reliability and maintainability would get high priorities. Two areas that Ford does not seem to appreciate as much as I believe they should.
@@Anon1mous, Which is worse, having to reduce the size of service departments, or the whole dealerships shutting down because only totally clueless people buy their vehicles -- and eventually you run out of them? Toyota seems to be doing OK following the teachings of J. Edwards Deming. It seems that Ford management (and others) have forgotten the lessons of the 1970s and 80s and are repeating their mistakes from that era. (Read Detroit Free Press reporting on internal memos about the Fiesta and Focus DCT fiasco for a flashback to the corporate culture that thought it was OK to have a even few people burned to death in their Pintos since the numbers worked out OK for the company.)
Hi everyone I had put this oil pump on my 12 ecoboost with bigger turbos and ported heads and tuned, and installed it with the 85 pound spring. It has now been in for 9 months of HARD use and it works great! Well worth the money
No telling how much money Brian has saved involved Ford owners willing to get their hands dirty. I have followed and performed his 5.4 3 valve tutorials for almost 10 years and my truck purrs like a kitten at 150,000 miles. Fords truck reputation in part thanks to Brian, who help has helped owners keep their fussy engine trucks out of the salvage yard.
My dad has 2013 F150, 3.5 with 202K miles, has no issues with the truck, serviced every 5k miles with mobil 1, he just purchased this pump, i have seen the pump, it looks like it's very well manufactured, Thanks for the info, man loves his ride
I dont know exactly where to show my application for all you do for us guys who watch your videos, so here it is. I can't say thanks enough for all the tips and tricks you take the time to show us all. I went to do a phaser job on my 5.4 triton, but it was to late. Damage was done. So I replaced the engine watching your videos and doing the upgrades I would have been unaware of originally. Now I have a reliable great vehicle for commuting and hauling. Thank you again!!
Brian I just want to thank you for this channel and all you do to help Ford owners get it right the first time. Your videos are the best I’ve seen as far as detail and accuracy. It’s nice to see people that still take pride in what they do and try to pass that on. Great job!
The upgraded melling high volume pump for my 5.4l triton was the best thing I ever did for my ‘04 f150, runs like a tiger 🐯 now! thanks to this UA-cam channel, I have full confidence in my truck and I can’t wait to hit 500k on this beast! 💪
Do you have a source or part # for that, I have one that may need that, even thought this is just masking the real problem. LOL These guys in here think oil pumps are faulty..LOL, no they work fine as long as you don't have excessive wear from being stupid.
@@dalewatkins9889 keep spraying CRC turbo& valve cleaner through the break hose port... Directly in the intake. It will cleans + Oil catch can a good one from UPR..
Great info, wish I found this video sooner. I have a 2015 F-150 with 301,000kms, replaced the timing chain and components at 255,000kms. Will definitely install the high volume pump real soon!
Thank you for your work. My 5.7 3 valve you rebuilt for me is running smooth and I followed your video on antifreeze change and it worked smooth. Ready for winter
I replaced my SVT Focus oil pump with a Melling M317 (installed with a gates blue belt and stock tensioners\water pump) like a decade ago and didn't realize how many damn products they make, absolutely insane.
Had the timing chain, VTC, oil pump replaced on my 2010 SHO last year due to excessive startup rattle. Chain and guides were all out of spec at 108k miles. All gaskets were seeping oil. Ford covered all repairs under extended 120k warranty. First 60k miles used Motorcraft syn blend, been using Amsoil since. Was very clean, no oil sludge or buildup.
@@stewpidaso26 The timing chain rattle started at 45k, at that time Ford wouldn't fix. I suppose switching allowed me the next 60k miles with no further wear and CEL.
@@markc5671 you wouldnt have went another 60k if that was the issue. not even scamsoil claims that switching to their oil will limp you along with worn or broken parts
@@randallmunson9909 you havnt driven far enough or used a truck like it should be. that is probably why. unless youre changing you oil at 15k youre no saving yourself any money on oil changes to being with, which is one reason people switch. your better off using a normal oil and changing it when your supposed to.
i wish i would have seen this a month ago just did a 2014 eco boost f150 timing set for a friend . he bought everything on the links you provided. run fantastic now .
I did it myself following the videos and it cost me close to 2k. But I did secondary chains and tensioners as well as the main chain and tensioner. Coolant valley o-rings, spark plugs, coil boots and everything else he lists other than the water pump. Make sure if you are going to do this job you should buy cam shift holders and make sure you use the recommended Motorcraft rtv.
I feel your pain... I just saw this two days after swapping in a Mishimoto intercooler and some AFE pipes... it was kinda halfway there again... :( These trucks like aftermarket goodies and custom tunes... I just like the idea of a high volume pump feeding those shiny new phasers... :)
Great info. Have a gen2- 2.3L Ecoboost in my new Ranger. Runs great. Only gets SN+ Penn Ultra Platinum every 4-5kmis depending on how truck used during that OCI.
As always love your vids Brian!!!, my new 3.5 HO gen2 sits at 90 cold on high pressure, and 60 hot on low pressure at idle.....with 70,000 miles, had pure synthetic in it since 75 miles on odometer, no chain rattle, no metal in filter, only issue i had was a cracked drivers valve cover , good oil and filters are key to this motor's longevity.....
@@pnwgracethroughfaith7915 I personally have used in this motor since day 1(75 miles), Amsoil 0w30 Signature and an EaO17 filter, however my current setup is with Amsoil's dual remote full flow / bypass filter kit, total oil is now very close to 9 quarts and uses an EaO26 main, and an EaBP90 bypass filter. Super easy to do on these Fords and much easier oil changes. I checked pressures as I changed up the oiling system a bit with filter relocation.....less than 5 psi drop overall. But you can't go wrong with a Motorcraft FL820s and full synthetic 5w30.....also decent oil.
Hey bro is the stock spring comparable to the 85% spring that's mentioned in the video? I have a 3.7 stang as well and guess what...clack clack clack, time for new timing components and phasers and what not and looking to change to this melling high volume pump...did you use the exact pump mentioned in this video or the race one which has a stiffer spring as claimed on rock auto?
I installed several of these Melling M390HV the 85lb/100lb spring. Stock pump my 12 mustang was in the middle of gauge . 85lb spring has gauge reading at 5/8 , 100psi spring will show gauge closer to 3/4. I personally use the 100lb spring but I have Manley rods and pistons, built motor that revs to 7800. @@monikhushalpuri
Haha; I just saw they are right down the road from me so I can just go and pick one up directly. Another great video Brian. We’d all love to see the install video for that one.
This will absolutely go in my truck the next time I take the front cover off, which will probably be around 2022 (unless something else breaks...). Brian, I used your FTM video to do my timing chain last year and completed the job in January of 2020. It's been running like a top since. Thanks man. Next stop, new turbochargers.
Boy I sure am glad my old school OHV engines with 200K+ dont have clearance issues, stretched chains, and need high volume oil pumps. So much time and money I dont have to waste.
Do you still own the rebuilt engine? If so… any recommendations on the rebuild itself? If your rebuild was successful and no issues… could you list the aftermarket parts you went with? I’m about to start the rebuild on my 2012 3.5 and idk which way to go.
Putting this up for anyone that may be doing this job and installing this pump . This pump barely comes out when doing the timing job . The issue is that the oil pump pickup tube hits the bottom of the pan before its clear of the register in the pump and does not give you the required room to wiggle the pump out easily . Anyone thats replaced any of these type pumps knows that getting it lined up to get on the crank can be tricky so when you ad the clearance issues its pretty much impossible to get this back on as is without using some force. On the 5.4 you can simply rotate the pump clockwise to clear the tube and slide it right out. On this engine however there is a raised area inside the cover that prevents this. I take a die grinder with an aluminum bit and grind just a touch off the drivers side of the pump housing near the bolt hole and that allows the pump to rotate enough to clear the pickup tube and slide on easy without using force. I know how it sounds but there is PLENTY of meat there and it doesnt negatively affect the pumps function at all. If you are in contact with melling Brian you need to get them to change the casting just slightly to remedy this issue.
@Zach, Exactly what I was thinking when I saw the thumbnail for this video. In thinking it through I realized that it would probably be just as expensive, or even more, to do the upgrade as to repair the stock pump before it destroys the engine. What is really needed is for Ford to come up with a more reliable and maintainable design next time, but I'm not holding my breath.
All manufacturers are still at the mercy of their suppliers , ford doesn’t make aluminum or steel plastics they buy it too . Ford definitely knows how to build a truck!!
@@TheOzthewizeven toyota have issues they just dont talk about it like ford guys do cause we are passionate about ford unlike Toyota usually boring to most 😅.
I just worked on a Toyota. A 94 Camry and IT WAS HELLISH! Way over-designed. Felt like I was wrenching on a tow truck. Did both LCA’s, one ball joint and a CV axle. Took 2 days. Hope I never touch one ever again.
I bought a 09 Flex with a standard 3.5L non boost. Since I bought this truck used in 2012 , I've been running Royal Purple oil in it. I pulled the Throttle body off and clean it every 2 years or so. I've had zero issues with this engine. When I look down into the valve covers the upper drivetrain is super clean. Any thoughts on this oil? I know what people say about it not being worth it, however it's given me no reason not to use it. In my 72 Mustang I have a 429cid big block and only use 20/50 Quaker state oil to keep the oil pressure up. I definitely believe in using the right oil for the right purpose. I use to work for Ford dealership many years ago. You videos are absolutely great, if I have a reason to replace the oil pump I know what to get now !
So my 14 supercrew limited has only had Amsoil signature series and it has 300000 kilometers of oilfield use meaning lots of idle time and hard work. Internally everything is still stock and no phaser or codes for anything related to timing or chain issues. I just had bd manifolds, garret stage 1 turbos and turbo adapters, new cats and all piping from magnaflow. I also have the Amsoil remote bypass oil filter kit and the truck still pulls hard. Just did a 600km round trip in the mountains of British Columbia and truck says I did 14.5al/100kms.
136k on my Ford Explorer sport... already had to break the engine apart to change out the cam phasers... then stiffed by the Ford dealer to reopen the engine, cause the light went off again due to not changing the timing chains the first time... not happy!
Great video and presentation from you, just wish ford tech engineers would listen to some of these guys on these video’s and learn from their mistakes and yes they are supposed to be the experts ))) 😃🇬🇧
just got my pump today while I'm in the middle of the timing chain replacement! It is a merry Christmas indeed! I hope my wife isn't jealous of how much more I spent of my truck than on her XD
MrBuildEverything can you help me a little? 2015 F150 3.5, I DON'T have timing chain noise but do have the leak, a few drops on floor each day. How did you decide it was time to replace chains? Noise? Leak? Performance? I have 105 ,000 miles. These videos are great and I'll likely do all the work. I'm just trying to decide if I really have a mechanical issue or just an annoying leak at this point...thanks and Merry Christmas!
@@donbarkman9802 leaking oil? Try and see if you can trace where it's coming from. I had a cold start rattle for about a year, I knew eventually the chain would go. One day I got check engine light P0016 code, cam shaft position sensor, no other symptons. I continued driving, then 3 weeks later one morning it coughed up black smoke and wouldn't idle, stuttered at low rmps and sometimes died. At that time I knew it must have jumped a tooth so I parked it and started ordering parts. You definitely want to do the job before catastrophic failure. I am afraid I have bent valves from running it with the timing off even though I only went around the block. I found a piece of the main tensioner in the oil pan, that is what failed.
@@nicksvaik best I can tell is where the front pan joins the block. It's way high on the motor, top of timing chain cover. Guessing those joints where you need to ensure you add an extra dab of sealant. Kind of pisses me off to be honest. I'm sure ford stands behind none of this even though a known issue?
Hate to bug you on this but this is the perfect time for me. Currently having a short block built by Livernois. It’s killing me because it’s the first time I’ve let somebody else build an engine for me . I’m building a house right now and already sold mine so I’m stuck in an apartment for a few months and it just seemed to make sense. Anyway, I haven’t pulled mine completely apart yet but I think my oil pump is what failed on my 2013 3.5 f150. It still runs, just randomly through cam over retarded codes, solenoid codes, etc. then I noticed once hot, holding the engine under load at a light (once the DTC was set and it disabled vtc) it would cause it to idle slightly lower (around 5-600rpm) and at 550 or so, I’d get a low oil pressure warning. Swapped the switch and solenoids just for shiggles, screens full of metal, oil had metal in it. Stopped driving it. Anyway, I ordered their billet gear’d oil pump with the short block. Any reason to cancel that and go high volume instead? I guess I’m not seeing the benefits if we’re not starving for oil already or getting cavitation. Now Livernois does modify some oil ports for flow and I’m wondering if their gears are setup for higher volume (although I don’t know how that would be possible with just gears). What’s your take? I come from the Honda/nissan world mostly and this truck was my intro back into domestics. I needed it to pull my drift car around but still wanted to be able to tune something and have some fun. Now, I’m 20k into a build and going long travel, wide body, etc etc and want to make sure this engine is as right as I can get it. Sold the drift cars and this is my only toy now but will also be the weekend daily. Stick with my Livernois billet gear pump or go to this?
Man wish I saw this 2 months ago!! My 2014 F150 just hit 160k miles and I had the chain, phasers and water pump replaced. Wish I had done the oil pump as well! Interesting note - my chain with 160k miles was identical in length to the new one I put in. I guess that means I'm using good oil? My phasers were having issues though and started that cold start rattle noise. I put the new upgraded ones in.
Nice! I’m about to do VCT units on a 2017 3.5EB. Doing chains and tensioners while I’m in there. I tried watching your 3.5 series but yes, my engine is “redesigned”. Wish me luck.
The audio is amazing! I felt like he was in the room. I literally took my headphones off to check. And they're nothing special. As for the HV oil pump, that's great news for the previous gen EB owners. I bought a 2019 F-150 this year with the EB 3.5 while trading in my 2012 5.0 with 54k miles. I feel like I probably should have kept the 5.0 hearing about all this "wear" of engine parts. But at least I have twice the fuel injection . . . right? If it doesn't work, add more stuff to fix it! Keep adding until the engine compartment is full. Then issue a new design.
@@Davido50 Yep, he said that right up front and them went on to explain all the moving parts that wear out. No question the EB has more moving parts. I'm confident it will be fine until my next truck... Which will probably be a V8 again. LOL.
Can you do a video about "lubricating the chassis" With what kind of grease and how much to use, where/ when? Also what are your thoughts on at 205 being sprayed onto bushings to extend the life.
With all your knowledge I trust your opinion I have a 2013 f150 eco currently I have 77000 miles on it I replaced 1 coil and water pump I’m retired so I don’t drive a lot 10000 miles a year I change oil every 4 months with platinum pen oil like you recommended I drive slow don’t haul anything what else can I do to get many more years my last truck ranger with 4.0 I got 279000 miles when I traded it in I change all fluids once a year
Love watching your videos on the 3.5 eb, I have a 16 expedition, the only upgrade is high flow cats. My eb has 186k miles original everything (except cats) and it has a tune pushing 20 to 21 boost. I've always used Rotella t6 5w-40, changed every 4k miles. I use the oil in every turbo vehicle I get my hands on and I love it! I mean come on 186k miles with original turbos and timing! And I don't baby it either I'm very hard on it. This bad boy has seen 130+ mph more times then I can count! Oh almost forgot, I got a catch can at 159k to help fight the intake buildup.
I intend to have my water pump, phasers, chain, guides and oil pump changed just for the sake of preventative maintenance on my 2010 Lincoln MKS 3.5L Eco. Always happy to hear about better parts that can be placed in place of existing parts to assist with longevity of my car. I'll keep this in mind for when the day comes. Be nice if there existed a better water pump as well that could last 200k+ miles. I'd feel like I could own the car forever it did.
Great video once again, thanks! Would you happen to have a video of the fuel injector o ring replacement on a 3.5 ecoboost? I had a hell of a time removing the fuel rails. Im waiting on parts and I know it's going to be a nightmare going back to gether. The rails and harnesses are so packed in there.
Enjoy your video's you clearly know your Fords, and explain faults and finding making them easy to follow. Do you have a video on 3.0 engine bucking,, missing under load?
I have a 3.5 2012 Ford Fusion sport but it has a code p0420 and it gets horrible gas mileage. Its also slow in performance for a 3.5l v6 but I'm coming from the Acura TL Type S so I understand that the power is different. Maybe the Fusion v6 likes sitting in a higher rpm?
We have a new 2022 Transit 350 being built with the EcoBoost engine. Would it be a good idea to put this in right away, or wait until it gets some mileage on it? These transits are not cheap and I want to make it last as long as possible.
Looks like they have a replacement for us 2nd gen 3.5 owners. M490. Honestly, I don’t know if I trust my local shop. I’d almost rather you do the work on my 2019 when the time comes for the phasers. I’d do the pump then as well. Worth me getting a hotel room for a few days while it’s in your shop. Just wondering, when the phasers start to fail, do they start sending copper and silver colored metal into the oil? I ask because I tore open my last filter and didn’t like what I was seeing.
You can now buy the Melling M390HV here-
amzn.to/36INRYJ
Melling Part Lookup-
www.melling.com/parts-lookup/
Melling Press Release-
drive.google.com/file/d/1c1oHbuFXtxb39kFnYRCPE12rOEdhzaYq/view?usp=sharing
Does Melling tell you when will the High Pressure pump for the 2nd generation be available?
All 3.5 and 3.7 engines uses them.
You were number one in my books 8 years ago and that' still applies today. Hope you're well.
"Currently unavailable.
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."
David Frost,
I wonder if their sales jumped after this video came out?
I've been a mechanic for 45 years this guy is very knowledgeable and a credit to this industry! What a pleasure to watch. Keep the videos coming!!
Brian should get a contract with Ford to train their techs! His knowledge is unprecedented!
I believe he was a Ford Master tech.
My guess would be they didn’t like him telling us about Fords short comings.....
And you may or may not have noticed he drives a Ram not an F150 !!
@Kurt B,
In my experience, training people to do something is often less satisfying than doing that same work myself. The exception is when the students are bright and eager, but they are often in the minority. They are also more likely to be like Brian -- they figure things out for themselves without needing someone else to train them. What is needed is to clone him.
@@robm3357,
The Ford engineering group should hire him to teach them how to design an F-150 that would win him back. I'm certain that reliability and maintainability would get high priorities. Two areas that Ford does not seem to appreciate as much as I believe they should.
Ford would say no. Would put all their service depts out of business.
@@Anon1mous,
Which is worse, having to reduce the size of service departments, or the whole dealerships shutting down because only totally clueless people buy their vehicles -- and eventually you run out of them? Toyota seems to be doing OK following the teachings of J. Edwards Deming.
It seems that Ford management (and others) have forgotten the lessons of the 1970s and 80s and are repeating their mistakes from that era. (Read Detroit Free Press reporting on internal memos about the Fiesta and Focus DCT fiasco for a flashback to the corporate culture that thought it was OK to have a even few people burned to death in their Pintos since the numbers worked out OK for the company.)
Thank you again. Just another public announcement for the best Ford technician ever! Love Fordtechmakuloco Channel!
Hi everyone I had put this oil pump on my 12 ecoboost with bigger turbos and ported heads and tuned, and installed it with the 85 pound spring. It has now been in for 9 months of HARD use and it works great! Well worth the money
How is this change the fuel economy?
No telling how much money Brian has saved involved Ford owners willing to get their hands dirty. I have followed and performed his 5.4 3 valve tutorials for almost 10 years and my truck purrs like a kitten at 150,000 miles. Fords truck reputation in part thanks to Brian, who help has helped owners keep their fussy engine trucks out of the salvage yard.
2008 E350 cube van had 385 km when I traded it in and it ran like a top!! It was a great motor if you took care of it.
absolutely, started watching him when i done my cam phasers and timing chain on my 2006 f150 5.4. very good instructor and teacher.
He was/is a ford tech
Why do you keep buying fords if you have to work on them so much?
luke saylor
Ha ha ha yeah what’s the brand you buy that’s Free of repairs?? Ha ha ha lmao!!
What a sweet smart comment!!
Pure genus!!
My dad has 2013 F150, 3.5 with 202K miles, has no issues with the truck, serviced every 5k miles with mobil 1, he just purchased this pump, i have seen the pump, it looks like it's very well manufactured, Thanks for the info, man loves his ride
I dont know exactly where to show my application for all you do for us guys who watch your videos, so here it is. I can't say thanks enough for all the tips and tricks you take the time to show us all. I went to do a phaser job on my 5.4 triton, but it was to late. Damage was done. So I replaced the engine watching your videos and doing the upgrades I would have been unaware of originally. Now I have a reliable great vehicle for commuting and hauling. Thank you again!!
This channel is the benchmark for Ford vehicle info in the public domain so thanks for taking the time to make these videos!
Brian I just want to thank you for this channel and all you do to help Ford owners get it right the first time. Your videos are the best I’ve seen as far as detail and accuracy. It’s nice to see people that still take pride in what they do and try to pass that on. Great job!
The upgraded melling high volume pump for my 5.4l triton was the best thing I ever did for my ‘04 f150, runs like a tiger 🐯 now! thanks to this UA-cam channel, I have full confidence in my truck and I can’t wait to hit 500k on this beast! 💪
Do you have a source or part # for that, I have one that may need that, even thought this is just masking the real problem. LOL These guys in here think oil pumps are faulty..LOL, no they work fine as long as you don't have excessive wear from being stupid.
Get a toyota if you want high miles!
@@koreymayo8884 thanks scotty Kilmer
@@RAAUUULLLL4268 lol except scotty kilmer actually likes ford, but not me.
@@koreymayo8884 you need a 3-digit-iq to like Ford
More reason to install an oil catch can with the blowby contaminating the oil. Won't stop contamination completely, but anything to help is good.
Yup, that's the first I bought when I got my '19 3.5 F150
JLT 3.0 from American Trucks. 😎👍
Just ordered today. 2016 F150 3.5L Ecoboost with 122k, so should have a fair share of oil already in there! :(
@@dalewatkins9889
True, but even so, better than nothing.
Does anyone know if a cleaner like Seafoam would work on an Ecoboost?
@@dalewatkins9889 keep spraying CRC turbo& valve cleaner through the break hose port... Directly in the intake.
It will cleans + Oil catch can a good one from UPR..
Thank you for not burying the lead, you got right into it!
Thanks Brian! I've been lucky so far with my 2013 Ford F-150 3.5L Ecoboost but now I know what to do when my timing chain needs to be replaced.
Great info, wish I found this video sooner. I have a 2015 F-150 with 301,000kms, replaced the timing chain and components at 255,000kms. Will definitely install the high volume pump real soon!
How much did that run you for the timing chain and components?
Thank you for your work. My 5.7 3 valve you rebuilt for me is running smooth and I followed your video on antifreeze change and it worked smooth. Ready for winter
I replaced my SVT Focus oil pump with a Melling M317 (installed with a gates blue belt and stock tensioners\water pump) like a decade ago and didn't realize how many damn products they make, absolutely insane.
Had the timing chain, VTC, oil pump replaced on my 2010 SHO last year due to excessive startup rattle. Chain and guides were all out of spec at 108k miles. All gaskets were seeping oil. Ford covered all repairs under extended 120k warranty. First 60k miles used Motorcraft syn blend, been using Amsoil since. Was very clean, no oil sludge or buildup.
so your issue came after switching to scamsoil
@@stewpidaso26 The timing chain rattle started at 45k, at that time Ford wouldn't fix. I suppose switching allowed me the next 60k miles with no further wear and CEL.
Oil is still cheaper than parts & labor. Until they aren't, I'll use Amsoil also. Haven't been inside any engine while using it.
@@markc5671 you wouldnt have went another 60k if that was the issue. not even scamsoil claims that switching to their oil will limp you along with worn or broken parts
@@randallmunson9909 you havnt driven far enough or used a truck like it should be. that is probably why. unless youre changing you oil at 15k youre no saving yourself any money on oil changes to being with, which is one reason people switch. your better off using a normal oil and changing it when your supposed to.
Melling makes great pumps. I've used them in the past and had great success. Thanks Brian.
i wish i would have seen this a month ago just did a 2014 eco boost f150 timing set for a friend . he bought everything on the links you provided. run fantastic now .
Thanks for the heads up, water pump started to weep and figured while i'm in there...upgrade time. Went with the high performance version 10390HV
I wish this would have come out 6 months ago when I did a full timing job on my 2011 F150 3.5.
How many miles it got?
How many miles before the timing chain swap?
@@JL-dp2pt My truck made it 148k before it needed them. Im at 160k now and it runa the same as it did brand new.
I did it myself following the videos and it cost me close to 2k. But I did secondary chains and tensioners as well as the main chain and tensioner. Coolant valley o-rings, spark plugs, coil boots and everything else he lists other than the water pump. Make sure if you are going to do this job you should buy cam shift holders and make sure you use the recommended Motorcraft rtv.
I feel your pain... I just saw this two days after swapping in a Mishimoto intercooler and some AFE pipes... it was kinda halfway there again... :( These trucks like aftermarket goodies and custom tunes... I just like the idea of a high volume pump feeding those shiny new phasers... :)
Great info. Have a gen2- 2.3L Ecoboost in my new Ranger. Runs great. Only gets SN+ Penn Ultra Platinum every 4-5kmis depending on how truck used during that OCI.
Pennzoil platinum plus is my go to. Great oil.
As always love your vids Brian!!!, my new 3.5 HO gen2 sits at 90 cold on high pressure, and 60 hot on low pressure at idle.....with 70,000 miles, had pure synthetic in it since 75 miles on odometer, no chain rattle, no metal in filter, only issue i had was a cracked drivers valve cover , good oil and filters are key to this motor's longevity.....
Good to hear. What oil and filter would you recommend?
@@pnwgracethroughfaith7915 I personally have used in this motor since day 1(75 miles), Amsoil 0w30 Signature and an EaO17 filter, however my current setup is with Amsoil's dual remote full flow / bypass filter kit, total oil is now very close to 9 quarts and uses an EaO26 main, and an EaBP90 bypass filter. Super easy to do on these Fords and much easier oil changes. I checked pressures as I changed up the oiling system a bit with filter relocation.....less than 5 psi drop overall. But you can't go wrong with a Motorcraft FL820s and full synthetic 5w30.....also decent oil.
@@MrHossola Thank you for the information. I appreciate it.
@@pnwgracethroughfaith7915 No problemo
Thanks brother.. your videos have been paramount to my Ford repairs.. just wanted to say Thank You 🙏 and I appreciate the pump upgrade reveal..
I wish I lived near this dude. I have a 2014 SHO that will need work soon.
I recently rebuilt my mustang 3.7. I used this oil pump. I used the higher psi spring as I rev the engine to 7800. Works great.
Hey bro is the stock spring comparable to the 85% spring that's mentioned in the video? I have a 3.7 stang as well and guess what...clack clack clack, time for new timing components and phasers and what not and looking to change to this melling high volume pump...did you use the exact pump mentioned in this video or the race one which has a stiffer spring as claimed on rock auto?
I installed several of these Melling M390HV the 85lb/100lb spring. Stock pump my 12 mustang was in the middle of gauge . 85lb spring has gauge reading at 5/8 , 100psi spring will show gauge closer to 3/4. I personally use the 100lb spring but I have Manley rods and pistons, built motor that revs to 7800. @@monikhushalpuri
Haha; I just saw they are right down the road from me so I can just go and pick one up directly. Another great video Brian. We’d all love to see the install video for that one.
This will absolutely go in my truck the next time I take the front cover off, which will probably be around 2022 (unless something else breaks...). Brian, I used your FTM video to do my timing chain last year and completed the job in January of 2020. It's been running like a top since. Thanks man. Next stop, new turbochargers.
Did you go back in yet?
2:23 corrections. 2017 expedition got the new 2nd gen. Motor. I have it in my 17’ EL. 12 Injectors to keep clean.
thank you for that update. Very very good information. I was wondering why all those problems keep it up you’re doing an awesome job.
Last year of 2020 I bought a 2016 Ford Transit van with a EcoBoost engine 310 hp twin turbo. I'm using mid grade gasoline.
Love this Channel, love my Ford thanks to Brian... greetings from Honduras Central America
Boy I sure am glad my old school OHV engines with 200K+ dont have clearance issues, stretched chains, and need high volume oil pumps. So much time and money I dont have to waste.
You posted this right as my 3.5 gave out in my sho now going with a sleeved block, h beam rods and Manley pistons now adding that oil pump🙌🏽
Do you still own the rebuilt engine? If so… any recommendations on the rebuild itself? If your rebuild was successful and no issues… could you list the aftermarket parts you went with? I’m about to start the rebuild on my 2012 3.5 and idk which way to go.
@TsunauticusIV what did you go with?
I’ve been running pennzoil ultra platinum in my 3.5 ECOBOOST since I got the vehicle with 39,000 on it. I hope it’s SP
SP designation just voted on in May of 2020, was SN or SN plus until then.
Putting this up for anyone that may be doing this job and installing this pump .
This pump barely comes out when doing the timing job . The issue is that the oil pump pickup tube hits the bottom of the pan before its clear of the register in the pump and does not give you the required room to wiggle the pump out easily . Anyone thats replaced any of these type pumps knows that getting it lined up to get on the crank can be tricky so when you ad the clearance issues its pretty much impossible to get this back on as is without using some force. On the 5.4 you can simply rotate the pump clockwise to clear the tube and slide it right out. On this engine however there is a raised area inside the cover that prevents this. I take a die grinder with an aluminum bit and grind just a touch off the drivers side of the pump housing near the bolt hole and that allows the pump to rotate enough to clear the pickup tube and slide on easy without using force. I know how it sounds but there is PLENTY of meat there and it doesnt negatively affect the pumps function at all.
If you are in contact with melling Brian you need to get them to change the casting just slightly to remedy this issue.
I’m not a ford owner but if I were ever to buy a ford pickup I’d take advice from this guy before anyone else.
Thanks for the info
You are the best for letting us know what to watch for.
Pls keep it coming...
How about an external electric water pump and a plug cover for the chain driven pump.
@Zach,
Exactly what I was thinking when I saw the thumbnail for this video.
In thinking it through I realized that it would probably be just as expensive, or even more, to do the upgrade as to repair the stock pump before it destroys the engine. What is really needed is for Ford to come up with a more reliable and maintainable design next time, but I'm not holding my breath.
@Argentino Media,
Thank you. Lotsa' videos about them here on youtube.
Great Info! We're looking forward to selling tons of this M390HV.
Lol
All manufacturers are still at the mercy of their suppliers , ford doesn’t make aluminum or steel plastics they buy it too . Ford definitely knows how to build a truck!!
Brian is a Ford genius. He can turn a Ford into an ultra-reliable Toyota.
Ford will NEVER match the reliability of a Toyota!!
Or a f**kin Chevy with an LS.
@@TheOzthewiz Agreed.
@@TheOzthewizeven toyota have issues they just dont talk about it like ford guys do cause we are passionate about ford unlike Toyota usually boring to most 😅.
I just worked on a Toyota. A 94 Camry and IT WAS HELLISH! Way over-designed. Felt like I was wrenching on a tow truck. Did both LCA’s, one ball joint and a CV axle. Took 2 days. Hope I never touch one ever again.
Hey Brian, any plans to make a video for installation of the HF pump? Would love to see one on an F150 EB.
@@pantherplatform High Flow.
HV... High Volume...
I bought a 09 Flex with a standard 3.5L non boost. Since I bought this truck used in 2012 , I've been running Royal Purple oil in it. I pulled the Throttle body off and clean it every 2 years or so. I've had zero issues with this engine. When I look down into the valve covers the upper drivetrain is super clean. Any thoughts on this oil? I know what people say about it not being worth it, however it's given me no reason not to use it.
In my 72 Mustang I have a 429cid big block and only use 20/50 Quaker state oil to keep the oil pressure up. I definitely believe in using the right oil for the right purpose.
I use to work for Ford dealership many years ago. You videos are absolutely great, if I have a reason to replace the oil pump I know what to get now !
So my 14 supercrew limited has only had Amsoil signature series and it has 300000 kilometers of oilfield use meaning lots of idle time and hard work. Internally everything is still stock and no phaser or codes for anything related to timing or chain issues. I just had bd manifolds, garret stage 1 turbos and turbo adapters, new cats and all piping from magnaflow. I also have the Amsoil remote bypass oil filter kit and the truck still pulls hard. Just did a 600km round trip in the mountains of British Columbia and truck says I did 14.5al/100kms.
I'll never buy another ecoboost love your videos bud!!!
Never had a problem w mine what's up dude?
Man, you’re freaking good
As always... Thank you for what you do. Much appreciated all the information you provide to us. Happy turkey day and holidays!!!
Thanks for posting this video really appreciate your time and money doing it budd.. keep up the great work and tips👍
136k on my Ford Explorer sport... already had to break the engine apart to change out the cam phasers... then stiffed by the Ford dealer to reopen the engine, cause the light went off again due to not changing the timing chains the first time... not happy!
I feel like it’s safe to own a ford knowing this guy
Great video and presentation from you, just wish ford tech engineers would listen to some of these guys on these video’s and learn from their mistakes and yes they are supposed to be the experts ))) 😃🇬🇧
just got my pump today while I'm in the middle of the timing chain replacement! It is a merry Christmas indeed! I hope my wife isn't jealous of how much more I spent of my truck than on her XD
MrBuildEverything can you help me a little? 2015 F150 3.5, I DON'T have timing chain noise but do have the leak, a few drops on floor each day. How did you decide it was time to replace chains? Noise? Leak? Performance? I have 105 ,000 miles. These videos are great and I'll likely do all the work. I'm just trying to decide if I really have a mechanical issue or just an annoying leak at this point...thanks and Merry Christmas!
@@donbarkman9802 leaking oil? Try and see if you can trace where it's coming from. I had a cold start rattle for about a year, I knew eventually the chain would go. One day I got check engine light P0016 code, cam shaft position sensor, no other symptons. I continued driving, then 3 weeks later one morning it coughed up black smoke and wouldn't idle, stuttered at low rmps and sometimes died. At that time I knew it must have jumped a tooth so I parked it and started ordering parts. You definitely want to do the job before catastrophic failure. I am afraid I have bent valves from running it with the timing off even though I only went around the block. I found a piece of the main tensioner in the oil pan, that is what failed.
@@nicksvaik best I can tell is where the front pan joins the block. It's way high on the motor, top of timing chain cover. Guessing those joints where you need to ensure you add an extra dab of sealant. Kind of pisses me off to be honest. I'm sure ford stands behind none of this even though a known issue?
Brian is the Ford GOAT(ee)!!
Hate to bug you on this but this is the perfect time for me. Currently having a short block built by Livernois. It’s killing me because it’s the first time I’ve let somebody else build an engine for me . I’m building a house right now and already sold mine so I’m stuck in an apartment for a few months and it just seemed to make sense. Anyway, I haven’t pulled mine completely apart yet but I think my oil pump is what failed on my 2013 3.5 f150. It still runs, just randomly through cam over retarded codes, solenoid codes, etc. then I noticed once hot, holding the engine under load at a light (once the DTC was set and it disabled vtc) it would cause it to idle slightly lower (around 5-600rpm) and at 550 or so, I’d get a low oil pressure warning. Swapped the switch and solenoids just for shiggles, screens full of metal, oil had metal in it. Stopped driving it. Anyway, I ordered their billet gear’d oil pump with the short block. Any reason to cancel that and go high volume instead? I guess I’m not seeing the benefits if we’re not starving for oil already or getting cavitation. Now Livernois does modify some oil ports for flow and I’m wondering if their gears are setup for higher volume (although I don’t know how that would be possible with just gears). What’s your take? I come from the Honda/nissan world mostly and this truck was my intro back into domestics. I needed it to pull my drift car around but still wanted to be able to tune something and have some fun. Now, I’m 20k into a build and going long travel, wide body, etc etc and want to make sure this engine is as right as I can get it. Sold the drift cars and this is my only toy now but will also be the weekend daily. Stick with my Livernois billet gear pump or go to this?
Man wish I saw this 2 months ago!! My 2014 F150 just hit 160k miles and I had the chain, phasers and water pump replaced. Wish I had done the oil pump as well! Interesting note - my chain with 160k miles was identical in length to the new one I put in. I guess that means I'm using good oil? My phasers were having issues though and started that cold start rattle noise. I put the new upgraded ones in.
I remember at time about 18 years ago where all "Ski"worked on was Hummers.
Yup those were the days!
Nice! I’m about to do VCT units on a 2017 3.5EB. Doing chains and tensioners while I’m in there. I tried watching your 3.5 series but yes, my engine is “redesigned”. Wish me luck.
@Dennis Burger seems to be true. Maybe my new 2 chains aren’t stretching but the VCTs are still going bad!!!
@Dennis Burger Those engines were not engineered to delete VCT.
Penzoil is Shell oil. Its good ..very good.
But i use Triax Oil in my ecoboost and all my diesel road trucks
could you please do an oil pump upgrade/replacement video, thank you for all the great content.
soon
@@FordTechMakuloco thank you
First time seeing your videos.Comment section can’t say enough good things about you.I see why.
The audio is amazing! I felt like he was in the room. I literally took my headphones off to check. And they're nothing special. As for the HV oil pump, that's great news for the previous gen EB owners. I bought a 2019 F-150 this year with the EB 3.5 while trading in my 2012 5.0 with 54k miles. I feel like I probably should have kept the 5.0 hearing about all this "wear" of engine parts. But at least I have twice the fuel injection . . . right? If it doesn't work, add more stuff to fix it! Keep adding until the engine compartment is full. Then issue a new design.
Ur good. U have a gen2 - 3.5L Ecoboost bud. SN+ full synthetic every 5k mis ur golden. The gen1 - Ecoboost was great too..u hear him say?
@@Davido50 Yep, he said that right up front and them went on to explain all the moving parts that wear out. No question the EB has more moving parts. I'm confident it will be fine until my next truck... Which will probably be a V8 again. LOL.
Thank you for all your expertise! Super helpful!
Awesome video Brian.... I just wish I could get customers to use high quality oils like pennzoil,Rotella or Amsoil... ounce of prevention.
Underrated advice.
What about Ford oil? That’s what I’ve been using.
I have seen very good results with the Motrorcraft oil yes.
Scamsoil is overrated! Use Pennzoil Ultra Platinum in a GDI engine. Has the LOWEST volatility, helps to keep the intakes cleaner!
Can you do a video about "lubricating the chassis"
With what kind of grease and how much to use, where/ when?
Also what are your thoughts on at 205 being sprayed onto bushings to extend the life.
With all your knowledge I trust your opinion I have a 2013 f150 eco currently I have 77000 miles on it I replaced 1 coil and water pump I’m retired so I don’t drive a lot 10000 miles a year I change oil every 4 months with platinum pen oil like you recommended I drive slow don’t haul anything what else can I do to get many more years my last truck ranger with 4.0 I got 279000 miles when I traded it in I change all fluids once a year
Love watching your videos on the 3.5 eb, I have a 16 expedition, the only upgrade is high flow cats. My eb has 186k miles original everything (except cats) and it has a tune pushing 20 to 21 boost. I've always used Rotella t6 5w-40, changed every 4k miles. I use the oil in every turbo vehicle I get my hands on and I love it! I mean come on 186k miles with original turbos and timing! And I don't baby it either I'm very hard on it. This bad boy has seen 130+ mph more times then I can count! Oh almost forgot, I got a catch can at 159k to help fight the intake buildup.
THANK YOU ! BE SAFE ! HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT HAPPY THANKSGIVING & MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎅 🎄 TOO ! GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS ON YOUR JOURNEYS ! ENJOYED !
I intend to have my water pump, phasers, chain, guides and oil pump changed just for the sake of preventative maintenance on my 2010 Lincoln MKS 3.5L Eco. Always happy to hear about better parts that can be placed in place of existing parts to assist with longevity of my car. I'll keep this in mind for when the day comes. Be nice if there existed a better water pump as well that could last 200k+ miles. I'd feel like I could own the car forever it did.
Great video once again, thanks! Would you happen to have a video of the fuel injector o ring replacement on a 3.5 ecoboost? I had a hell of a time removing the fuel rails. Im waiting on parts and I know it's going to be a nightmare going back to gether. The rails and harnesses are so packed in there.
Good video and I appreciate the knowledge in your videos
Great Info, Hey Bri, I'm sending an e-mail to BS&G with some questions about a truck I just bought. Thanks for the channel!!!!!!, Rickma
Enjoy your video's you clearly know your Fords, and explain faults and finding making them easy to follow. Do you have a video on 3.0 engine bucking,, missing under load?
This is great i need a pallet of them. I do alot of 5.4 & 3.5 timing jobs.
nice i have a 2007 lincoln mkx with 96,000 km. if the WP ever leaks, ill surely get that pump one day.
Thanks for not making me look at that slow moving big rusty door intro anymore. It was like watching paint dry.
I'd have to mow my lawn twice by the time that intro was over.
Hahaha, so true
Thank you! Always informative and on top of FoMoCo upgrades and tips/advice! Didn't know about the SP rating... thank you!
Thanks for all the vids!
Exciting news. Time will tell.
Thanks dude, appreciate what you share.
Should I go to Amsoil 5W-30 Signature Series a full synthetic would have helped any dual oil filter setup to get rid of that a high carbon
Thanks for the information keep up the good work
Love this channel thanks Brian peace ☮️
Interesting factoid. GM dexos Gen2 was the first oil designed for LSPI and chain wear. It's been out since 2017.
Yeah I think the SNPLUS started showing up in early 2018 right after.
Thanks for the video Brain.
This dude is the best
I have a 3.5 2012 Ford Fusion sport but it has a code p0420 and it gets horrible gas mileage. Its also slow in performance for a 3.5l v6 but I'm coming from the Acura TL Type S so I understand that the power is different. Maybe the Fusion v6 likes sitting in a higher rpm?
I had heavily considered a 3.5 Ecoboost in a 18+ with the 10. By him just talking about a fix, I'm fairly certain I'll never own one personally..
Thanks for the good information brian
What should warm idle oil pressure be on the 1st gen 3.5 ecoboost engine?
We have a new 2022 Transit 350 being built with the EcoBoost engine. Would it be a good idea to put this in right away, or wait until it gets some mileage on it? These transits are not cheap and I want to make it last as long as possible.
Breathing air back into this topic, is this a diy type upgrade?
What about the best upgrade for the 2.7 ecoboost? Hope you'll make a video for that too!
Looks like they have a replacement for us 2nd gen 3.5 owners. M490.
Honestly, I don’t know if I trust my local shop. I’d almost rather you do the work on my 2019 when the time comes for the phasers. I’d do the pump then as well. Worth me getting a hotel room for a few days while it’s in your shop.
Just wondering, when the phasers start to fail, do they start sending copper and silver colored metal into the oil? I ask because I tore open my last filter and didn’t like what I was seeing.
What mileage should you "upgrade the oil pump"?
So the extra spring it comes with install that one or leave it with the one it came with if stock motor
At what mileage can you go to a little thicker oil on a 3.5 eco?
What are your general thoughts on the second generation of these Eco Boost engines?