@@edibleexpressions9899really? Where in nature is there green houses, drip lines, metal cages? Those fruit trees would do a lot better in an orchard where livestock can’t touch them.
Get some help. And if ur really that bat-sh!t, why ain't you living on a 30 acre homestead doing it urself? Is there UA-cam in nature? @@edibleexpressions9899
Justin the boy is on to something. I can understand the shade aspect for the animals. But the fruit trees would look and do better along side the road. And you should also be fertilizing them and trimming to promote more faster growth! I agree with Jonah. But I would plant them along both sides of the main road, on your land.
@@NoraMkenda I agree. The fact that Jonah knew the cost for materials off the top of his head and was evaluating his options from that point of view is amazing for a kid. I guess he’s a very knowledgeable and mature “kid” (not a kid). He will be a very successful businessman. 👍
Justin, your Son is right. You NEED an orchard. Plant them elsewhere. You can plant cheaper shade trees for the paddocks, but move all fruit producing trees to an orchard. LOL, your Son is now smarter than you. Remember what Joe Salatin told you about those fruit trees. Grow smarter not harder. It seems you never learn because of your obstinance!
Justin's smart, it was a great idea in theory, but at this point he's stuck in sunk cost fallacy, so he's wanting to invest more to protect what he's already spent. Jonah's idea was real smart though. Lots of sun around the road, easy to drive in fertilizer and water, easy to harvest and trim them as well. If they're beside the road, just stop and gather up some on the way in to the house each day, plus think about the beautiful view driving home!
Why would you plant your trees in your pasture, should they not be in an orchard? Somewhere you can protect, I mean the amount of time and money you have spent protecting these trees, you can move them to another area and protect it, listen to your oldest boy, he seems to have a great idea :)
Jonah is correct. The trees should be along the access roads for the paddocks, for access. But also so that you can fence the animals away from them, but they still get shade, and then when they are large, you can include the margins of the pasture back into rotation. Also you can replant the trees you already have. You have an excavator.
I like when Jonah is in charge, he has great ideas. I think you need to do panels 5-6 feet away from tree, this way you are prepared for when the tree branches out but aren't tall enough or strong enough for cows to be close to them. You save money when you do things right the first time and build it to last years. Some of those trees will take many years before they will be a good size. To save money start protecting a few trees and do more in a few months.
I was thinking why not something less see through. Like shade cloth?? Perhaps if the cows couldn't see the leaves they wouldn't go for it? I don't know, just a thought. Or even like you're saying, something solid, the tree will grow upwards towards the opening ...
First off, its great seeing Rebekah involved more in the VLOGs and getting enough time to put into her garden again. I can only imagine how tough the last year has been with the remodel and all that requires to keep it going, not to mention living in a temporary much smaller space in the meantime. She's a true behind the scenes hero. Some thoughts: If you are going to invest in fencing for trees in paddocks (at least until they are established) then put multiple trees together and position them at edges or corners of paddocks. If they are at the edges or corners of paddocks they can be excluded using the electric nettings until they are bigger, and less protected in the early years when they are being established. Don't worry much about the trees spreading out width wise you only want those trees to put their energy into growing tall enough to have their branches away from the animals, you should actually be proactively trimming lower branches. As well, giving the steers already grazed land and not big enough paddocks is just asking them to go after the trees. This is mostly bad planning, implementation, and husbandry. That said... I think one of your guys super powers is not overthinking and letting inertia hold you back from getting stuff done. Sure it may require attention later or fixes, but at least it gets done and you move forward and learn. And there is no reason it can't be addressed easily enough with some common sense fixes. Put the steers elsewhere on the property, or with the cows. Considering they are in the last month and are being "Fattened" giving them leftover already grazed paddocks seems counter intuitive. Put them on some lush grass all you can eat buffet to put on those final pounds. Also you can use temporary fixes like adjusting where the electric netting allows them to go, etc. Not so much a disaster as a learning experience.
You've got a backhoe, dig the fruit trees up and plant in a different place. A protected orchard area. Then plant some other kind of shade tree in their original hole.
Who plants fruit trees in a livestock pasture. A dedicated orchard would be protected with a PROPER fence. Fruit trees do not work for shade trees. Goats and sheep will eat the bark and branches. Horses and cows will go after the branches and fruit. But hey, all these crazy decisions make for problems to solve and are great for the viewers. How about using google for information before starting stuff.
There's a reason fruit trees are planted in a proper orchard, not in a pasture. Besides the livestock and deer detergent, fruit trees have specific needs as to fertilizer, and insect and disease sprays to prevent loss. Each needs pruning and fruit thinning to get a quality harvest. Read up and move those trees where they can be given the attention they need. They are not shade trees for livestock, they are garden trees for people food.
I loved your daughters little laugh when you two were on the 4wheeler lol She is so nurturing like her mother; God Bless You All and Happy Memorial Day 😊
@@foragingandurbanfarmingatt4745 I raise sheep, and they definitely like to eat fruit trees, but they are easier to keep away from the trees vs cows or goats.
Love Jonah’s idea. I agree to plant trees on sides of driveway. Run a solar fence with couple stakes around them and fertilize them. Trees will be 40-60% off in Fall.
Where on earth did he pluck the 10k figure from? Some imagination! Most of those trees will recover in time,the issue is its not the mesh or fencing that failed,but the tposts..tposts will not stand determined cattle pushing on them.
Justin pain in feet and knees you are trying a lot of things which is great. But as a person out of a car accident 20 years ago. I have to have a decent pair of shoes or work boots on my feet. As soon as they go bad I have to get new ones. I know you are in and out of mud and yuck but I am telling you it will help. I have to be on my feet take care of them. Put some good boots on your feet. You are always walking on even ground. I wish you nothing but the best and the best pair of boots Mr. Brown!
@DOMEstead to drive anywhere he wants..I guess some people in USA think of the gun licence as a freedom licence..I'm not in the USA, we think of the independence of being able to drive very freeing.
Dwarf trees will probably NEVER be out of the cows reach. 2X2's will never work. You will probably have to pasture around the trees or move the trees across the street.
Well, Justin, , , you had a dream, you tried it. I am always open for new ideas, bbbbut!!! I really, really cringed at this, fruit trees IN the pasture idea!!!! How high do you WANT your fruit to hang. Cows can reach as high as you can. Drawf trees will never ever be a shade tree for animals. They will continually eat the leaves, the flowers, and especially the fruit!!! And what a headache to run all over the pasture to bring in your harvest. Please plant them where the cattle can not get to them! Plant big trees, like maple trees, and harvest sap, to take the place of store sugars. Justin, you tried it, just reading alllll these comments, Not. One. Person. Recommends. It! Moral. It is a fruitless pursuit!😂
Once the trees are established, silvopasture is a fabulous way to make an orchard more biodiverse & resilient. The problem is the solution. I live on a 50-100 year old apple orchard. Neighbors pay rent to graze in this orchard. The soil is fertilized & aerated. The orchards around here who incorporate grazers are far healthier than those who don't. If you invest in protecting the young trees, you will have a much healthier orchard overall.
Just a bigger square or triangle could work. But maybe focusing on sheep instead of cows would be a better idea. Sheep are at least as profitable as cows, and less dangerous.
When I saw how small the area around the trees would be, I thought of posting my concerns, but I can't recall if I did. I doubted my post would be read, & once you'd done all that work, it seemed unlikely you'd consider making the protected area large enough that they can't sinply reach over the fence & help themselves. The leaves may smell tasty, like apoles. You could try larger areas around the trees. That would make it easier to step inside to trim the grass. At the same time, you could make a wide, deep, mulched collar around each tree to retain water & to keep roots cooler, to give them a good start. Good luck. If you could, make a doorway to easily enter to work on the trees for ladders when pruning & picking apples, you'd be better off. Consider the apples dropping too, and the width of the fruiting branches. You could have room to sit inside, put down a blanket & read or have picnics! It's a nice thought to provide them shade, but even if full grown, the leaves & new growing branch tips would smell like food to them. Also wood rots & many fruit trees live a lot longer than 30 years.
I love how respectful Jonah was as you were problem solved how to save the trees! I especially love that just so you know that cattle panel is $100 lol! He is learning problem-solving and communication skills! You guys are doing great!
I don’t know what it would cost you, but you can make a Cheyenne pepper spray or just put Cheyenne pepper on the trees until your able to block them out. Make sure your upwind and wear protective glasses. Worth a try
Amen. They tried. I am confident, that it WILL BE a continuous, loosing battle '.' So sorry for your dream. Do more maple trees, and gather sap, for syrup.
You need a bigger diameter and stiffer cage, cement reinforcing wire is what we use. Longer t posts so you can raise the cage off the ground so top is higher than nose of anything that reaches over AND you can weed wack or mulch under the trees. 5 t posts per tree and BIG cage to suffice for 10 years or it's pointless. It's the only way we have protected ours from deer. Is that more affordable than moving or buying new trees? Blessings Jan
Justin, I understand your frustration with the cows eating the trees. If it were me, I would rethink my orchard. I would plant new fruit trees around the perimeter of the field and fence them off with field fence inset at least ten feet. Then devid your field into four paddocks and move your cattle from paddock to paddock with strategic gate locations for ease of movement. You all spend so much time moving the Premier One fence and your time is valuable! That’s just my opinion and I don’t live your life, I just want the easiest and best life for you all. It also might make it easier for your family to keep the farm up if you were to have health problems again, GOD forbid! Love to you all! ♥️
Now that your livestock has a taste for fruit trees they will always try to find a way to get them. Save yourself from future headaches and transplant your trees to a better spot.
Justin, Jonah has a good point about planting the fruit tree's else where along the road or make a different place for the orchard, it does not work with cattle and sheep. Also by each fruit tree plant some Comfrey. Comfrey’s biggest advantage is its very long taproot. It’s able to reach minerals deep below the soil and draw them to the surface. It’s what’s known by organic farmers as a dynamic accumulator. Those minerals end up in the comfrey’s leaves. They’ve been shown to contain a bunch of important macro and micronutrients. These include calcium, potassium, phosphorus, iron, magnesium, selenium, sulphur, copper, and zinc. As the comfrey dies back in winter, those nutrients are released back into the soil. In spring, they’re ready and waiting for your fruit tree to access as it comes out of dormancy. Also an orchard should be fenced off. Have a lovely day. Jonah you have a very good Idea.
Tractor Supply 50 feet underground wire 29.99. Just put a hot wire at the top of the fence you currently have. They cannot push it or they will get zapped.
Saw this one coming when you made those wimpy barriers. Those are dwarf fruit trees? They will need to be protected indefinitely. Mature size will still be vulnerable to livestock as they will be able to reach 2/3 of the way up the tree. Each tree should have a fence around its mature diameter. Off the land? Cedar posts and 4 board fencing. Make it big enough to protect the mature trees from browsing and you should be good to go. Until you get it done, move the cows away from the trees.
6 ft long sheep panels framed with boards-made higher than a full grown steer can reach over, formed into a triangle, wired to and braced by T posts can be placed around each tree. You can hinge the corners with dooor hinges, but change out the pintle for a carriage bolt long enough to doublenut. This way you can remove the panels to mow, weed eat, and harvest fruit. Cows are super addicted to anything apple and will utterly destroy any bits they can get to. This worked for us beautifully.
I feel your pain; we just took a heifer to the "chill" department because she walked over the fence. Greg Judy is on to something. Thank you for introducing us to him.
It may be helpful for you to sit and listen to your son. Make a better plan on how to properly farm instead of being a Reactive Farmer. Proactive and planning ahead will save you alot of chaos all the time. It's difficult watching at times because of the constant chaos. Love your kids. They are hard working kids. Home grown food planned ahead without constant issues. I grew up on a large farm. We had 60 head of cows. My dad used two pastures and would prepare both and secure them before they were turned out. Yes, occasionally cows got out but rarely. When you fail to plan, you plan to fail. Never plant your food with the animals food. They don't know the difference.
Yep, when planting in pasture, 6 feet square using wood post wood planking with woven wire and barbed wire at bottom, middle and top will work. Barbed wire will keep them from rubbing. Needs to be 4 to 5 feet tall.
Too much time and money for a few little trees. Those trees could get a blight, freeze, or just die. Why dont you please listen to your son. He gets it. Plus, if you keep micromanaging him he is going to leave that farm as soon as he's old enough. He has hundreds of skills that have nothing to do with homesteading. He's going to want to be his own person.
What if you created a mobile tree protection cage? All of your saplings are not that tall. You could create a removeable 7ft cage which you move every time you move the cattle. When you put it around a sapling, you could create a bolt which you could stake into the ground to keep it in place until your next move. You move them every couple of days right? If the cattle cannot see them- will they try to eat the the trees? The trees would survive a few days blocked from the sun. In any case, you could create a tree nursery, which you keep away from cattle until they reach a certain size and then aim to transplant them in the autumn after the cattle have grazed each section for the last time before winter.
Sorry to keep comment, but trying to help. My neighbor is using netting over fruit trees until they become established is a good way to prevent deer from eating them, as the netting acts as a physical barrier that stops deer from accessing the leaves and fruit, making it an effective temporary protection method until the tree is large enough to withstand browsing on its own. If stops deer, would stop cattle. Cheaper fix.
I got a chicken wire around my trees in a length of 6ft, and it works. I also used hazelnut wood sticks from the forest, which are straight and very elastic, to protect my fruit trees.
It is so frustrating watching Justin make the same mistakes over and over and over and over. I swear he knows he's doing it, but he's doing it for content.
Yeah the boys right I'm not sure of his name he was in the green shirt in the very beginning we've had cows and pasture and you will forever have to create barriers around those trees and fight off the cows . keeping the orchard out of the cow pasture in our situation at least has common sense. I haven't followed a long long enough do you know exactly why they planted trees in a cow pasture but yeah if that's your future food and fruit if you're trying to quit the grocery store then you would put those trees somewhere away away away from the cows that's just I don't understand why you wouldn't he had to give more credit to those boys they're smart they've lived on that farm forever and have watched how things go and I think sometimes as adults we think we know best or we think something will work I've learned sometimes my 14 year old son sees things I don't see and comes up with solutions that I might not agree with but the outcome is usually correct in his favor
I mean it all depends on when they start to produce and how much they produce for how long and what type of tree they are. If they a normal trees they can produce 500 lbs a season if fully grown. That's easy 1k a season and 9 tree's that would be basically 2 season to get your money worth from them even if you don't sell them. As for semi dwarfs or Dwarf it would take 1-2 more seasons to get your money worth from them. The problems is that it take 3-6 years of growing before you start seeing them bare fruit and start to become fully grown trees. If they don't take care of them properly they may not reach the size they want or produce the amount they want.
Tip for future trees plant in square holes. Roots don't grow in circles and tree roots are prone to diseases and root rot in circle holes. Square holes encourage healthier root growth and make the trees stronger and more resistant.
Hey guys! I bought some sticky traps for the window! No more running into the hanging one, these new ones work great! I have one in all my windows, two on my patio doors! Total game changer 😁👍
When buying things like panels or any farm type item, remember that Tractor Supply price matches. Also, prices at TS are based on the local market. If you find a TS that’s close to a Rural King, their prices will reflect the RK price plus 10% off.
Yes and the fence around orchard needs to be sturdy and more than 8 ft high and go into the ground.cows may have brute strength but deer can leap really really high and deer and other critters can wiggle under amazingly small spaces. Oh and pigs can dig. Also you should have planted them in containers if you wanted to baby them near the house. Now you will have to disturb the root system if you have to move them. Also look at them carefully if you really can't save that tree make as many cutting from it as possible and grow the roots you can find good rooting techniques for cuttings online. But you have to be quick.
Two cattle panels Tied together and to end to form a circle with a few tea posts would be ultra strong and long-term semi permanent. The cows would never get to those trees and circle is a strong structure. !! I raised two pigs this way, and they never got out
Jonah makes a great point, orchard and cows don't mix. Replant the trees elsewhere and don't graze the animals there.
Fruit tree should be planted in an orchard why not transplant the trees to a separate place and plant other tree where the cattle are.
Where in nature are there orchards?
@@edibleexpressions9899really? Where in nature is there green houses, drip lines, metal cages? Those fruit trees would do a lot better in an orchard where livestock can’t touch them.
I personally don't think dwarf peach trees are going to be tall enough for shade anyhow. At least none of the dwarf fruit trees I've ever had.
Once the trees are established, silvopasture is a fabulous way to make an orchard more biodiverse & resilient. The problem is the solution.
Get some help. And if ur really that bat-sh!t, why ain't you living on a 30 acre homestead doing it urself?
Is there UA-cam in nature?
@@edibleexpressions9899
Justin the boy is on to something. I can understand the shade aspect for the animals. But the fruit trees would look and do better along side the road. And you should also be fertilizing them and trimming to promote more faster growth!
I agree with Jonah. But I would plant them along both sides of the main road, on your land.
Honestly, this should have been expected. You directly fed those trees to the cattle.
Amen!!!
It is dumb to be able to expect ANY fruit for humans!!!
Jonah’s growing up, the testosterone is flowing, he is challenging the dominant steer (Dad). It is a good sign. Nature has its course to follow.
I so enjoyed the discussion, the exchange, the challenge, and the fact that Jonah was giving the right advice!!!
@@NoraMkenda I agree. The fact that Jonah knew the cost for materials off the top of his head and was evaluating his options from that point of view is amazing for a kid. I guess he’s a very knowledgeable and mature “kid” (not a kid). He will be a very successful businessman. 👍
Justin, your Son is right. You NEED an orchard. Plant them elsewhere. You can plant cheaper shade trees for the paddocks, but move all fruit producing trees to an orchard. LOL, your Son is now smarter than you. Remember what Joe Salatin told you about those fruit trees. Grow smarter not harder. It seems you never learn because of your obstinance!
Well, chill guys😂😂
Justin's smart, it was a great idea in theory, but at this point he's stuck in sunk cost fallacy, so he's wanting to invest more to protect what he's already spent. Jonah's idea was real smart though. Lots of sun around the road, easy to drive in fertilizer and water, easy to harvest and trim them as well. If they're beside the road, just stop and gather up some on the way in to the house each day, plus think about the beautiful view driving home!
I love seeing more of Jonah and Josiah as you guys discuss how to manage the farm. Your sons are way wiser beyond their years.
I seem to remember Joel Salatin telling you weeks ago that wouldn’t been enough to stop the cows 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂 arrogance for a 1000# steer too funny not to mention he could have done it in an hour⁉️
The rain bombs that broke the laws of terminal velocity were what stuck in though :)
He doesn’t listen to anything Joel recommends anymore. If so, he wouldn’t have a horse there. Thats just another chore and time and energy to feed.
@@Nummey too 😂😂😂💯
Which his daughter lily takes care of, amd the only reason he bought it. @ordinarypete
Why would you plant your trees in your pasture, should they not be in an orchard? Somewhere you can protect, I mean the amount of time and money you have spent protecting these trees, you can move them to another area and protect it, listen to your oldest boy, he seems to have a great idea :)
Lilly cracks me up on the four wheeler. That giggle got me right off.
Jonah is correct. The trees should be along the access roads for the paddocks, for access. But also so that you can fence the animals away from them, but they still get shade, and then when they are large, you can include the margins of the pasture back into rotation. Also you can replant the trees you already have. You have an excavator.
I like when Jonah is in charge, he has great ideas. I think you need to do panels 5-6 feet away from tree, this way you are prepared for when the tree branches out but aren't tall enough or strong enough for cows to be close to them. You save money when you do things right the first time and build it to last years. Some of those trees will take many years before they will be a good size. To save money start protecting a few trees and do more in a few months.
I've seen farmers use the metal portion of IBC totes to protect their young trees.
I was thinking why not something less see through. Like shade cloth?? Perhaps if the cows couldn't see the leaves they wouldn't go for it? I don't know, just a thought.
Or even like you're saying, something solid, the tree will grow upwards towards the opening ...
Lol Jonah is sassy today!! 2 bullets is hilarious
First off, its great seeing Rebekah involved more in the VLOGs and getting enough time to put into her garden again. I can only imagine how tough the last year has been with the remodel and all that requires to keep it going, not to mention living in a temporary much smaller space in the meantime. She's a true behind the scenes hero.
Some thoughts: If you are going to invest in fencing for trees in paddocks (at least until they are established) then put multiple trees together and position them at edges or corners of paddocks. If they are at the edges or corners of paddocks they can be excluded using the electric nettings until they are bigger, and less protected in the early years when they are being established.
Don't worry much about the trees spreading out width wise you only want those trees to put their energy into growing tall enough to have their branches away from the animals, you should actually be proactively trimming lower branches. As well, giving the steers already grazed land and not big enough paddocks is just asking them to go after the trees.
This is mostly bad planning, implementation, and husbandry. That said... I think one of your guys super powers is not overthinking and letting inertia hold you back from getting stuff done. Sure it may require attention later or fixes, but at least it gets done and you move forward and learn.
And there is no reason it can't be addressed easily enough with some common sense fixes. Put the steers elsewhere on the property, or with the cows. Considering they are in the last month and are being "Fattened" giving them leftover already grazed paddocks seems counter intuitive. Put them on some lush grass all you can eat buffet to put on those final pounds.
Also you can use temporary fixes like adjusting where the electric netting allows them to go, etc. Not so much a disaster as a learning experience.
And probably for many others as well😊
You've got a backhoe, dig the fruit trees up and plant in a different place. A protected orchard area. Then plant some other kind of shade tree in their original hole.
I could’ve sworn in earlier episodes he’s made comments about the cows/sheep eating the fruit trees.
Who plants fruit trees in a livestock pasture. A dedicated orchard would be protected with a PROPER fence. Fruit trees do not work for shade trees. Goats and sheep will eat the bark and branches. Horses and cows will go after the branches and fruit. But hey, all these crazy decisions make for problems to solve and are great for the viewers. How about using google for information before starting stuff.
There's a reason fruit trees are planted in a proper orchard, not in a pasture. Besides the livestock and deer detergent, fruit trees have specific needs as to fertilizer, and insect and disease sprays to prevent loss. Each needs pruning and fruit thinning to get a quality harvest. Read up and move those trees where they can be given the attention they need. They are not shade trees for livestock, they are garden trees for people food.
Livestock and deer will defoliate and damage the bark of those trees. A heavy rail fenced orchard should have been planned for a actual orchard.
@@floristerhumble3753 sprays??
That's terrible! 😢 Sorry it didn't work out! Plant an orchard, away from the cows! You have space.
Your son is so smart. The cost of fixing the apple trees is enormous. But forethought is a money maker. Slow down and give yourself time too think!
I loved your daughters little laugh when you two were on the 4wheeler lol She is so nurturing like her mother; God Bless You All and Happy Memorial Day 😊
You need Fort Knox around fruit trees with livestock, learned that lesson long ago😳
My billy goat got in my apple trees, and rubbed the bark off a patch of trunk! We have a double gate business!
Good try, bbbut, Looks like fruit trees and animals DO NOT. MIX.
@@foragingandurbanfarmingatt4745 I raise sheep, and they definitely like to eat fruit trees, but they are easier to keep away from the trees vs cows or goats.
@@FLPhotoCatcher Happy farming!
The metal panels (whatever kind) will be an investment that you can use for many things down the road when their use for the trees is done.
What do you expect with crappy fencing
the 11 minute 2 bullet comment is the funniest thing Ive heard for a while! Love it
Love Jonah’s idea. I agree to plant trees on sides of driveway. Run a solar fence with couple stakes around them and fertilize them. Trees will be 40-60% off in Fall.
Where on earth did he pluck the 10k figure from? Some imagination! Most of those trees will recover in time,the issue is its not the mesh or fencing that failed,but the tposts..tposts will not stand determined cattle pushing on them.
He calculated the math based on each tree producing 250# fruit per year. And multiplying that by the # of tree!!!
Justin pain in feet and knees you are trying a lot of things which is great. But as a person out of a car accident 20 years ago. I have to have a decent pair of shoes or work boots on my feet. As soon as they go bad I have to get new ones. I know you are in and out of mud and yuck but I am telling you it will help. I have to be on my feet take care of them. Put some good boots on your feet. You are always walking on even ground. I wish you nothing but the best and the best pair of boots Mr. Brown!
Good luck jonah on getting your freedom licence!
Freedom license?
@DOMEstead to drive anywhere he wants..I guess some people in USA think of the gun licence as a freedom licence..I'm not in the USA, we think of the independence of being able to drive very freeing.
Dwarf trees will probably NEVER be out of the cows reach. 2X2's will never work. You will probably have to pasture around the trees or move the trees across the street.
portable scratch pad is what they are looking for
Cows will still eat the Apples even after the trees become mature. Thats why fruit trees are planted separate in an orchard and not in a cow pasture.
Real wood fence posts / 2x6s 5 rails high and you will never mess with them again.
Well, Justin, , , you had a dream, you tried it. I am always open for new ideas, bbbbut!!! I really, really cringed at this, fruit trees IN the pasture idea!!!!
How high do you WANT your fruit to hang. Cows can reach as high as you can.
Drawf trees will never ever be a shade tree for animals.
They will continually eat the leaves, the flowers, and especially the fruit!!!
And what a headache to run all over the pasture to bring in your harvest.
Please plant them where the cattle can not get to them!
Plant big trees, like maple trees, and harvest sap, to take the place of store sugars.
Justin, you tried it, just reading alllll these comments, Not. One. Person. Recommends. It!
Moral.
It is a fruitless pursuit!😂
Once the trees are established, silvopasture is a fabulous way to make an orchard more biodiverse & resilient. The problem is the solution.
I live on a 50-100 year old apple orchard. Neighbors pay rent to graze in this orchard. The soil is fertilized & aerated. The orchards around here who incorporate grazers are far healthier than those who don't. If you invest in protecting the young trees, you will have a much healthier orchard overall.
Suggestions..increase the distance between the animal and the tree..double fenses
Just a bigger square or triangle could work. But maybe focusing on sheep instead of cows would be a better idea. Sheep are at least as profitable as cows, and less dangerous.
@@FLPhotoCatcher they arent selling any of it. This isnt a farm. Its a homestead. The cows are beef and milk cows for the family to eat.
@@yunniekal Sure, but If they want to sell the animals in the future, it's good to have a profitable option. There are also dairy sheep.
Explaining to the steers about delayed gratification. 😂😂 I feel the frustration!
When I saw how small the area around the trees would be, I thought of posting my concerns, but I can't recall if I did. I doubted my post would be read, & once you'd done all that work, it seemed unlikely you'd consider making the protected area large enough that they can't sinply reach over the fence & help themselves.
The leaves may smell tasty, like apoles. You could try larger areas around the trees. That would make it easier to step inside to trim the grass.
At the same time, you could make a wide, deep, mulched collar around each tree to retain water & to keep roots cooler, to give them a good start. Good luck.
If you could, make a doorway to easily enter to work on the trees for ladders when pruning & picking apples, you'd be better off.
Consider the apples dropping too, and the width of the fruiting branches. You could have room to sit inside, put down a blanket & read or have picnics!
It's a nice thought to provide them shade, but even if full grown, the leaves & new growing branch tips would smell like food to them.
Also wood rots & many fruit trees live a lot longer than 30 years.
I love how respectful Jonah was as you were problem solved how to save the trees! I especially love that just so you know that cattle panel is $100 lol! He is learning problem-solving and communication skills! You guys are doing great!
I have to say how wonderful to see your next generation learning and have that experiences with you ❤
I don’t know what it would cost you, but you can make a Cheyenne pepper spray or just put Cheyenne pepper on the trees until your able to block them out. Make sure your upwind and wear protective glasses. Worth a try
Food bearing trees should not be in pastures. Animals ,WILL eat them. plant in a different area. Lesson learned? (Not meant to be mean sounding)
Amen.
They tried.
I am confident, that it WILL BE a continuous, loosing battle '.' So sorry for your dream. Do more maple trees, and gather sap, for syrup.
I love Lilys "evil" little laugh when Justin said he would "fall of the back".
You need a bigger diameter and stiffer cage, cement reinforcing wire is what we use. Longer t posts so you can raise the cage off the ground so top is higher than nose of anything that reaches over AND you can weed wack or mulch under the trees. 5 t posts per tree and BIG cage to suffice for 10 years or it's pointless. It's the only way we have protected ours from deer.
Is that more affordable than moving or buying new trees?
Blessings
Jan
I so felt Rebecca on having pictures with the instructions!! Great job putting that drip line together!
Justin, I understand your frustration with the cows eating the trees. If it were me, I would rethink my orchard. I would plant new fruit trees around the perimeter of the field and fence them off with field fence inset at least ten feet. Then devid your field into four paddocks and move your cattle from paddock to paddock with strategic gate locations for ease of movement. You all spend so much time moving the Premier One fence and your time is valuable! That’s just my opinion and I don’t live your life, I just want the easiest and best life for you all. It also might make it easier for your family to keep the farm up if you were to have health problems again, GOD forbid! Love to you all! ♥️
I like how your son is sure of himself and gives his opinion good dad !
Now if justin would listen to his ideas and apply them ...
Was really impressed with Jonah, he's learned well and is thinking about things just like a good business, cost effective and efficient.
Now that your livestock has a taste for fruit trees they will always try to find a way to get them. Save yourself from future headaches and transplant your trees to a better spot.
Justin, Jonah has a good point about planting the fruit tree's else where along the road or make a different place for the orchard, it does not work with cattle and sheep. Also by each fruit tree plant some Comfrey.
Comfrey’s biggest advantage is its very long taproot. It’s able to reach minerals deep below the soil and draw them to the surface. It’s what’s known by organic farmers as a dynamic accumulator.
Those minerals end up in the comfrey’s leaves. They’ve been shown to contain a bunch of important macro and micronutrients. These include calcium, potassium, phosphorus, iron, magnesium, selenium, sulphur, copper, and zinc.
As the comfrey dies back in winter, those nutrients are released back into the soil. In spring, they’re ready and waiting for your fruit tree to access as it comes out of dormancy.
Also an orchard should be fenced off. Have a lovely day. Jonah you have a very good Idea.
lol. “We could buy a couple bullets… “ -what a cool guy.
I laughed so hard at that commet lol
You need to keep your orchard separate from your paddocks for your animals you have to keep the animals away from your orchard
You guys should put in an outdoor canning kitchen, that way you can bottle without heating the house.
They are putting a garden kitchen in their basement so all of the canning supplies can stay out of the family kitchen.
I thought Rebekah didn't like canning though. Maybe she changed her mind now that they are trying to avoid the grocery store 🤷
Tractor Supply 50 feet underground wire 29.99. Just put a hot wire at the top of the fence you currently have. They cannot push it or they will get zapped.
Saw this one coming when you made those wimpy barriers. Those are dwarf fruit trees? They will need to be protected indefinitely. Mature size will still be vulnerable to livestock as they will be able to reach 2/3 of the way up the tree. Each tree should have a fence around its mature diameter. Off the land? Cedar posts and 4 board fencing. Make it big enough to protect the mature trees from browsing and you should be good to go. Until you get it done, move the cows away from the trees.
Thanks for sharing tidbits of your lives. Blessings to all 🤗🇨🇦
Justin ,
My suggestion is to get that plastic 42 in. Culvert pipe cut to desired length and later could be used for raised beds.
6 ft long sheep panels framed with boards-made higher than a full grown steer can reach over, formed into a triangle, wired to and braced by T posts can be placed around each tree. You can hinge the corners with dooor hinges, but change out the pintle for a carriage bolt long enough to doublenut. This way you can remove the panels to mow, weed eat, and harvest fruit. Cows are super addicted to anything apple and will utterly destroy any bits they can get to. This worked for us beautifully.
I feel your pain; we just took a heifer to the "chill" department because she walked over the fence. Greg Judy is on to something. Thank you for introducing us to him.
Word of the day...."EXTRENUOUS" 😂
It may be helpful for you to sit and listen to your son. Make a better plan on how to properly farm instead of being a Reactive Farmer. Proactive and planning ahead will save you alot of chaos all the time.
It's difficult watching at times because of the constant chaos.
Love your kids. They are hard working kids.
Home grown food planned ahead without constant issues. I grew up on a large farm. We had 60 head of cows. My dad used two pastures and would prepare both and secure them before they were turned out. Yes, occasionally cows got out but rarely.
When you fail to plan, you plan to fail.
Never plant your food with the animals food. They don't know the difference.
Bigger space, T posts and barbed wire, fake them out with white electric fencing. Brats! 😮
Between deer and livestock we cant keep fruit trees. I just embrace what does grow like the wild berries and persimmons 😊
Yep, when planting in pasture, 6 feet square using wood post wood planking with woven wire and barbed wire at bottom, middle and top will work. Barbed wire will keep them from rubbing. Needs to be 4 to 5 feet tall.
Electric fencing just bury a cable to carry the current between trees. Been there done that !
What else did you expect?
plant a proper dedicated orchard cheaper to make a proper post and rail fence
Too much time and money for a few little trees. Those trees could get a blight, freeze, or just die. Why dont you please listen to your son. He gets it. Plus, if you keep micromanaging him he is going to leave that farm as soon as he's old enough. He has hundreds of skills that have nothing to do with homesteading. He's going to want to be his own person.
What if you created a mobile tree protection cage? All of your saplings are not that tall. You could create a removeable 7ft cage which you move every time you move the cattle. When you put it around a sapling, you could create a bolt which you could stake into the ground to keep it in place until your next move. You move them every couple of days right? If the cattle cannot see them- will they try to eat the the trees? The trees would survive a few days blocked from the sun. In any case, you could create a tree nursery, which you keep away from cattle until they reach a certain size and then aim to transplant them in the autumn after the cattle have grazed each section for the last time before winter.
Sorry to keep comment, but trying to help. My neighbor is using netting over fruit trees until they become established is a good way to prevent deer from eating them, as the netting acts as a physical barrier that stops deer from accessing the leaves and fruit, making it an effective temporary protection method until the tree is large enough to withstand browsing on its own. If stops deer, would stop cattle. Cheaper fix.
Lillies giggle at you potentially falling off the back 😂
Considering this isn't how you actually go about building silvopasture and agroforestry successfully, it's unsurprising.
I got a chicken wire around my trees in a length of 6ft, and it works. I also used hazelnut wood sticks from the forest, which are straight and very elastic, to protect my fruit trees.
Henrey is such a helpful lil human.. he is growing up
It is so frustrating watching Justin make the same mistakes over and over and over and over. I swear he knows he's doing it, but he's doing it for content.
Side of a hill is a great place to plant fruit trees! The land does not have to be flat. Somewhere around the creek would be great
Yeah the boys right I'm not sure of his name he was in the green shirt in the very beginning we've had cows and pasture and you will forever have to create barriers around those trees and fight off the cows . keeping the orchard out of the cow pasture in our situation at least has common sense. I haven't followed a long long enough do you know exactly why they planted trees in a cow pasture but yeah if that's your future food and fruit if you're trying to quit the grocery store then you would put those trees somewhere away away away from the cows that's just I don't understand why you wouldn't he had to give more credit to those boys they're smart they've lived on that farm forever and have watched how things go and I think sometimes as adults we think we know best or we think something will work I've learned sometimes my 14 year old son sees things I don't see and comes up with solutions that I might not agree with but the outcome is usually correct in his favor
Yep. That’s Jonah. He’s a smart, logical guy.
Fruit trees need to be in an Orchard
10,000 DOLLARS,THATS A STRETCH
I mean it all depends on when they start to produce and how much they produce for how long and what type of tree they are. If they a normal trees they can produce 500 lbs a season if fully grown. That's easy 1k a season and 9 tree's that would be basically 2 season to get your money worth from them even if you don't sell them. As for semi dwarfs or Dwarf it would take 1-2 more seasons to get your money worth from them. The problems is that it take 3-6 years of growing before you start seeing them bare fruit and start to become fully grown trees. If they don't take care of them properly they may not reach the size they want or produce the amount they want.
@@tetsulightning The produce from the tree is not it's value. Those trees are worth $200.
Tip for future trees plant in square holes. Roots don't grow in circles and tree roots are prone to diseases and root rot in circle holes. Square holes encourage healthier root growth and make the trees stronger and more resistant.
Try planting lantana all around the trees for the future, the cows will avoid the area. Its not a now fix but for the life of the trees.
Hey guys! I bought some sticky traps for the window! No more running into the hanging one, these new ones work great! I have one in all my windows, two on my patio doors! Total game changer 😁👍
They don’t read any of these comments. He is working on the other abundance thing. Those cattle look rough.
Make the triangle bigger to accomidate a full grown tee! 3 post and longer Panels!
I so get it Rebecca! I get excited buying home tools instead of fancy clothes!
Is poultry fencing strong enough to protect the trees?
Great job Rebekah! Blessings!
If I wanted to know what Joel would say I’d watch his channel! Cheap fencing! Cow scratching posts.
Most likely won't die. This will make the tress grow stronger roots. You can put them in rows at the edge of the fields, fencers had a function.
Love the videos! My husband suffers inflammation and feet pain. What are you taking? We would like to try it!!
How much would it cost you to use your existing electrical fencing that you've got
When buying things like panels or any farm type item, remember that Tractor Supply price matches. Also, prices at TS are based on the local market. If you find a TS that’s close to a Rural King, their prices will reflect the RK price plus 10% off.
Justin what if you electrify the fence around your trees. Use one power box per field and run coated wires underground to each fence?
Transplanting the trees is a must. Separate from the cows for Peet sakes.
Yes and the fence around orchard needs to be sturdy and more than 8 ft high and go into the ground.cows may have brute strength but deer can leap really really high and deer and other critters can wiggle under amazingly small spaces. Oh and pigs can dig. Also you should have planted them in containers if you wanted to baby them near the house. Now you will have to disturb the root system if you have to move them. Also look at them carefully if you really can't save that tree make as many cutting from it as possible and grow the roots you can find good rooting techniques for cuttings online. But you have to be quick.
The trees are young, they can be transplanted. If not, you can stack logs around the trees for a visual wall and it’s free from the land.
Barbed wire is a great deterrent for steers, two wraps for too goods.
They sell bracing hardware for tpost. Typically used for corners of tpost fencing to keep it from slanting
Two cattle panels
Tied together and to end to form a circle with a few tea posts would be ultra strong and long-term semi permanent. The cows would never get to those trees and circle is a strong structure. !! I raised two pigs this way, and they never got out
Cattle panels are reusable over and over!
You boots dont have that good of a arc support for your feet, so keep that in mind if they hurt :)