God that’s such an overused sentiment. Why do people take glee in seeing the powerful and wealthy living unhappy lives, it’s actually perverse and it certainly doesn’t make you any happier in your own life.
No way, rather be poor and be married to my best friend who is also my husband. No amount of money will make you happy, I say that from experience. @@Crazy-Clown-In-Town
Those credentials you just put out there doesn't mean shit to me, someone who actually does have them, based on your wildly inappropriate remote diagnosis! Please don't talk again and then people won't have to be misdirected.
@carolinemacrae6227 Invoke credentials like that and be that off base, and you'll hear from me. What we know is only about 6 percent of the population is narcissist, Let alone this combo she's suggesting. It was in poor form and here's to having learned a lesson
Trust me: Narcissist fathers are no picnic, either. My Dad was famous and always had a woman to abuse. First his Mother, then mine, then me. It really, really sucked and I've never quite recovered from it.
No. She'll die and do a life review as we all will do. No judgement--from herself or other spiritual beings. Her next life, however, won't be (or wasn't) pleasant. Probably an African American born into poverty. That would balance the karmic scale. There's no escaping karma.
I don’t know that they ever pay for the damage they do. Impossible. The damage is done. Horrible people just leave human wreckage strewn all over the cities, the towns, the globe! What happens in The afterlife we cannot know. Imaginary and small comfort; it won’t undo a lifetime of abuse and madness.
The one thing that wasn’t mentioned, and probably the most important, is that Randolph Churchill had Syphilis when he married. As a result she was very lucky she and the son she conceived from Randolph didn’t get the disease.
Alvia reminds me a bit of my (born 1885) great aunt, Edith, who cried very loud and publicly all the way through her only daughter's wedding, not because she was moved with love, but because she believed her daughter's choice of husband - an accountant - was "beneath her". What a nasty snob she was!!! I met Gt Aunt Edith once, in the1960s when I was little. She was a real dragon 😩😩😩😩😩😩
That was the norm among the British aristocracy and American rich. Business contracts. Rarely love. Same with the British aristocracy amongst themselves. Rarely love. Power marriages or marriages that bailed out the impoverished aristocrats.
you married for power, property or political gain, love was not required. it's transitory and fleeting, you find love after you have the heir and the spare. and both survive to the age of 10.
@elizabethnisotis334 -- Daughters back when were 'chips' to unite empires, aristocratic families, and a way to enrich families. Dreadful thing to do to your own child, but that is how things were done then, they knew nothing better. I wonder if, to a certain extent, that still goes on Western societies? I have heard it goes on in some other societies.
Basically yes. The American rich aspired to be aristocracy , the US did away with it and the rich tried ever since to bring it back. In that class the chief sport was who.was sleeping with who, Winston Churchill's mom was a classic example. The mom was a typical southern woman who seemed herself to be noble,nothing was out of bounds.
No bodily autonomy no financial autonomy no agency over your clothing food activities, forcebreeding with a genetically and sexually incompatible older man chosen by your owners. There's a word for that but it's not pawn 🤨
Typical British Upper Class marriage. This type of marriage was the norm, not the exception. They spend less time with their spouses and children, and more time socializing and bed hopping. As long as no one makes a fuss or ends "the arrangement", the marriage is considered a proper success. The British Royal Family set the standard for the rest of society with its own marital immoral conduct, so it is not unusual that the other lesser titled peers followed their example.
They were falling over themselves to sell themselves, their titles, their grand histories, their bloodlines, to mega wealthy Americans - and _still_ feeling superior! 😆As you say, so long as the woman was canny, able to play the game, and produced Heir & Spare at a minimum the whole thing was deemed a success.
@@lydialily846 That doesn't get any less of a mind f*ck the older we get either. More if anything. Those who wept for 'Their Diana' also cooed over Camilla in a crown.
Very sick and an abuser; especially the way she use to beat her slaves down in Mobile, Alabama where she is originally from, before she made it to N.Y. to become High Society. To be accepted into that rich society!
@@ValleyoftheRogueso what then- you think they made all this up?! Don’t think so - this women was the “Mommy Dearest” of her era, prob just like so many other wealthy, entitled and manipulative women who’s husbands just stood by while they proceeded to ruin their daughters’ lives by basically “selling” them off- though obviously the farther back you go, men were notorious for doing this as well, of course- it’s as old as time.😡
Think she was blaming her daughtre for ' losing the war'? iI mean just put yourself in her shoes,she was a pamperSouthern belle. Had power over whoever she pleased most of her life Then WHAM, South looses, bye bye all the income earning Slaves. So guess who HAS TO WORK FOR A LIVING THEN. Just stop living/ thinking like it was back in,1840's
Child abuse is the worst thing a person can engage in and it should be a topic in mainstream discourse like income inequality, war, climate change, etc.
Consuelo was left utterly powerless. She tried to take control the only way she could, by having 😢affairs and trying to hurt her indifferent husband. Her Mother was a monster. That woman has alot to answer to God for.
My mom and I visited Marble House in Newport in the '90s - Alva and William's summer home. Alva did indeed become a suffragist and had a Japanese tea house built in the front yard to hold parties for that cause. The custom teacups had printed on them "Votes for Women." As the gift shop sold teacups and mugs with those words on them, we each bought one. They were probably not exact replicas. They were more like heavy restaurant ware than fine china. Of course Alva would not have been serving anything in mugs, either. I have a mug and a cup-and-saucer. My mother passed away last year, and I still have both and cherish them greatly. According to the tour, Alva not only had that scandalous affair with her husband's friend, she filed for divorce and married either that friend or another man, owner of a less lavish but still fine house down the street in Newport. It created a big scandal in those upper-class circles, but she seems to have held onto much of her status. I recognized Marble House in the PBS miniseries The Buccaneers, based on Edith Wharton's unfinished novel about the fates of three young women married off to British aristocrats. One of them shared some features of Consuelo's story.
I wish my mother had arranged for me to marry a Duke! You people sitting on your moral high horse pretending you wouldn’t jump at the chance to marry into English aristocracy if you got the chance 🙄
It wasn't about keeping wealth within a certain group. The Vanderbilts were incredibly wealthy but it was a matter of status and Alva was determined that Consuelo must marry an English Duke.
the rod to the spine was not unusual for the time, they also placed a knife between the back of a chair and the spine. you slumped or "lounged" and you got cut. Alva was a card-carrying social climber and as ruthless as she felt she needed to be. Gibson did a comic of Consuelo being tied by the wrists and forced to marry the duke. EVERYONE knew she didn't want to marry him. she went to the wedding weeping. talk about a sacrificial lamb.
Edith Wheaton did a great job depicting how American princesses fared with the British aristocracy in The Buccaneers. The book was also dramatized in a TV series.
In the 90’s I bought myself a beautiful flowery bedspread Gloria Vanderbilt. It lasted me almost 20 years. The quality of the fabrics and the colors were so exquisite. Every time I hear the name, I remember my beautiful bedspread.
@@tiger38able Just like the tRumps! donnie s makes me want barf and the way he acts and talks is scummy. No class even Queen Elizabeth found him disgusting.
@@samsmom1491 The character isn't meant to be Mrs. Alva Vanderbilt though. She is Mrs. Russell. They just took inspiration from the Vanderbilt story to create her character.
I watched the PBS Masterpiece Theater miniseries in one go one night. There is a scene where one of the debutantes marries her English aristocrat, and pretty much right after the wedding party, he takes her to the wing of the house where all the furniture is covered in white cloth, telling her he's broke. She's devastated that he married her only for her money, but it gets worse. He has been seeing a secret mistress and keeping her up in a nearby cottage. The wife tells the mistress to stop. In a sort of happy ending for the wife, her husband asks for a fresh start. Minus the happy ending, it sounds a lot like Consuelo's story.
You're right. My mom was a manipulative narcissist. She hated me. I was the baby of 4 my sister, the oldest. Sister & mom seemed to get along, although no love lost between them. Fortunately, my Daddy spoiled me and loved me unconditionally. until I learned about narcissists I thought mom was jealous of me. I've learned that my sister is the same. Controls her husband and kids with emotional blackmail. I married a man strong in family morals, God, and country.
He married her for her money. His brother, Randolph Churchill, was infected with syphilis contracted from a prostitute. He married Jennie Jerome nevertheless. They had 2 sons who had to have been born during a latent stage. After she found out she had no more to do with Sir Randolph Churchill. He was a remote father and eventually went insane and died. Jennie had many affairs and loved her sons. Even being a mistress to King Edward VII, Mrs Keppel 's favourite. The men all wanted those American dollars to keep their incredibly old and expensive homes. Blenheim Palace was the Marlbough's family seat. Consuelo and Jennie would have known each other. Marriage was a tool, no love involved. Winston Churchill went on to do great things and he and his brother were very close. I lived near Woodstock where Blenheim is, a massive place. Given to the Churchills by the king as a reward for the original Duke of Marlborough''s victory in battle years before. Winston was Winston Spencer Churchill, Diana Spencer's family.
I love how it's scandalous for a woman to have an affair, but not for a man to, meanwhile he had no money, and just basically took her as part of the paycheck she came with. What a disgusting society, we aren't great but at least my family can't throw money at someone to take me.
But there is still that double-standard to some extent these days. Take the subject matter of midlife crisis, menopause and in general age. My favorite one is really the age thing. Men are "distinguished" when they have wrinkles the likes of a trainstation with all the tracks all over the map, where women are just downright "old" (and ugly). Never mind the part where men have a belly, it's somewhat acceptable. Women are rather fat and disgusting looking. Then there is the male chauvinism. But the femme fatale - that is of course a problem. Do women earn the same dollar and penny amount for the same job that men are doing these days? And I am not talking about the type of job responsibility that involves physical strength, but intellectual input (i.e. technical / computer). How often do we see male secretaries? A bit discriminatory there anyone?
That’s not completely accurate. After WWI, the British aristocracy found themselves cash poor, so many were unable to continue maintaining their estates. One solution was to marry male British aristocrats to American heiresses. It was a trade off…the American woman (and her family) attained titles and status, while the British men got the funds necessary to support their lifestyles.
Todays women have no concept of what it was like for women in the US before the modern age. Women were treated as property, just as slaves were. They could be kidnapped, restrained, tortured physically and mentally, have no free will, no resources, and their lives were not their own. It eased up in the 20th century, but it wasn't until mid-century that things got better. Even then, a woman who divorced her husband ended up in much worse circumstances, generally in poverty, and often not allowed custody of their children due to this poverty and inability to provide. Even when women could find work, it wasn't substantial, and low paying. In mid century, women started to move up in the world. In the 1970s, when Helen Gurley Brown was made editor of Cosmopolitan magazine, a lot of press touted that she was the FIRST woman editor of a magazine. Prior, men had been editors, and even of a distinctly womens magazine. Over and over women started to get better jobs, better pay, better education, and found ways to get out of the bonds of marriage to men who didn't love them. I can remember my grandmother saying many times that her husband would say "no wife of mine will ever be allowed to work! It's a disgrace". She said this proudly, as his sign of love, because this way men kept the women bound to them for life. My grandmother was basically his slave, doing EVERYTHING for him. I saw her standing at alert in the living room, nervously waiting for his car to come up the drive and then she'd rapidly slip her stilettos on, and pour him a fresh cocktail, to be ready when he walked in. She'd put on a fresh dress, stockings, did her hair and makeup, all for his homecoming. He'd sit down, take his drink, and grandmother would slip his shoes/socks off and massage his feet with oil, before putting his slippers on. When his cocktail was done, dinner was served immediately, no delay at all, for any reason. After dinner he'd go to watch TV while grandmother and I would clean up the kitchen. This is how I was raised to believe men were treated, and womens role in marriage. I was born in the 1950s.
@@theknitwit7098 The point here is that the girl herself wanted none of the titles and status, so such cases are, indeed, abuse. Why keep splitting hairs.
@@MJ-hl1kk You completely missed my point. I was arguing that when American heiresses were married off to British aristocrats, there was a sort of trade for value. The man got the money, and the family received the prestige of the connection to the man’s titled family. It was never about what the young woman (or the young man) wanted..,it was about creating or firming up dynasties.
To me, this is why I don't lookup my family history because I am confident it's not as I think it will be. Imagine finding out this horrific Mother.....was in your history?
Apparently Balsan and her younger son both died the same year, 1956. Her wish was to be buried with the younger son. So basically her marriage ended until his death. You can find it on wikipedia. There is also a link to a webpage in the show notes.
The only thing that bothered me were the constant replays of the scenes, over and over in a loop. It was quite annoying. Other than that, the rest of it was enjoyable.😊
I was so afraid that Consuela would never find love that was real and lasting. It was a twisted and horrible road to get there, but I was interested that Winston Churchill came from the marriage of heart break. Funny how what England desperately needed during the war came from such a painful union!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen! I think that other than the beautiful interiors of the palace, I was greatly impressed with the grounds.
what about Consuelo's ex? didn't he remarry as well? was he finally happy too? seems like those old houses, the cost and up keep forced a lot of people to do things they didn't want to do just to hang onto them...my question, was it worth it to those people?
Not in America. But Trump was trying 😂😂😂. He's lost his last marble, so.... Bah-bye little chump stump trump. He trumped himself right out of the realm of reality.
Maybe her marriage wasn't the best but at that time (in high society) marriages were not made out of love but because of reputation, money and social status. And by the way, she also made the best of her marriage - kicked the husband out of her bed and took lovers and then got a divorce - THAT was a scandal at that time!!!!
Freaky family their Biltmore house has such a pall over it I could hardly stand being inside it Every corner felt a presence of evil and great unhappiness yuk on all counts
@@cherylfauth9543 yes biltmore feels awful to me very large presence of sadness and negativity no love whatsoever I don't know why I'm not a psychic type I just wanted to leave as soon as possible
Her marriage sounded like the Georgiana Duchess of Devonshire who was born into the Spencer Family, so she would have been related to the duke that Consuelo married. Aristocrat's all behaved the same. Watch the film ‘The Duchess’
@jacquiethebibleophil "The last year's of conswalas life were everything she deserved" so it ended badly you say. It didn't she was happily married in the end. The divorce was good. She could remarry a better suited man. It started badly but ended well. Really! Really! Yes!
@jacquiethebibliophil she was married to her second husband for 35 years. She remained friendly with various of the Marlboroughs including Winston Churchill (who had utterly awful parents also)
Arranged marriages have been around since biblical days. They're here now and they'll be around when your children are great-grand-parents. Adultery will also be around, that's just the nature of humans. 🤷♂️
Adultary is not something we should glibly accept. It’s bad for children, families, individuals and society. It’s also human nature or “animal” nature to want to kill, rob, take revenge etc. but we have the capacity for higher thinking and morality. That’s why animals can’t murder but people can. We recognize that taking a human life is morally wrong.
@amysill3815 You're mistaken dearie, there are many examples of animals murdering others of their same species to take control. Just one example: Lion's will slaughter a leader and all cubs to take over a pride. Try using Google.
The late and beautiful Princess Diana to Prince Charles was an arranged marriage by their grandmothers. She was in love with an idea of marriage based on romantic novels (Diana was obsessed with reading) and Charles for dynastic heir and spare reasons. It was not a true love marriage on either side. But Diana was jealous of his deep love for Camilla so could never play the aristocratic game of ....have the children then be free behind closed doors. For five years Diana was in love with her dashing army officer James Hewitt and everyone lived under that arrangement and the public didn't know. Ultimately, her romantic aspirations meant this was never going to last. Had she been able to exist in the old fashioned system ...then she'd probably be Queen now.
@@wandaclark9252 Actually, doing fine without an imaginary diety watching and recording my every thought and deed. Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny and Jehova/Yahweh/Allah are all made up.
Sadly-it’s not a ‘was’ but an ‘is’. Where I work, we have a lot of very wealthy families patronize our business. Some are not to be believed in their arrogance! Others are the most lovely people I’ve ever met. I like the people who remain humble.
The Vanderbuilt bloodline has always been evil. Gloria Vanderbilt was not exception. What she did to her children was horrific. The Biltmore House is where a lot of this took place.
You are mistaken. All this took place in New York City, where all of America's high society kept their huge mansions and held their parties. Biltmore, which is in Asheville North Carolina, wasn't even built until the late 1890s.
the mother alva looked like she stepped out of a horror movie and acted as such. there are no American princesses it being a republic. is is funny thought how these people coveted titles and adoration for themselves and their offspring.
Wow... its as if she wasnt wanted as a baby. So the mother decide to vow within herself to torture this girl to nothing. So sad that she didnt have her father to lean on for help. But, in the end, she was blessed for enduring all that torture.
Consuelo was the one who coined the phrase "The Heir & the Spare", after the birth of her second child It took an American teen-ager to teach the snobbish Brits a phrase that is STILL used today. When prince harry was playing the "Victim Card, he ACTUALLY said that this phrase was coined JUST for him, I thought what an IGNORANT man. Consuelo coined that phrase in 1896 I believe. Her second marriage was to a French pilot & it was an EXTREMELY LONG happy marriage & lasted for the rest of their lives.
Proof that money and 'position' are no guarantee of happiness. What a monster of a mother.
Forget about happiness cuz it can’t pay the bills. I would prefer to be rich but unhappy rather than broke but happy.
@@Crazy-Clown-In-Town I'd rather be broke and happy but poor people tend to be even more miserable than rich unhappy people.
God that’s such an overused sentiment. Why do people take glee in seeing the powerful and wealthy living unhappy lives, it’s actually perverse and it certainly doesn’t make you any happier in your own life.
No way, rather be poor and be married to my best friend who is also my husband. No amount of money will make you happy, I say that from experience. @@Crazy-Clown-In-Town
@@anarcho-communist11 I would like to have all my needs met.
Well said… “money does not make you happy. It’s what you do with that money to help others that can make you happy”.
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Mental Health Worker here. Elva was a sadistic Narcissist. It's all about the CONTROL! 😮😮😮
Agree. What a monstrous mother who only thought of herself!
Those credentials you just put out there doesn't mean shit to me, someone who actually does have them, based on your wildly inappropriate remote diagnosis!
Please don't talk again and then people won't have to be misdirected.
@@Vibeagain maybe you shouldn't talk again if you have to be so rude.
@carolinemacrae6227
Invoke credentials like that and be that off base, and you'll hear from me. What we know is only about 6 percent of the population is narcissist, Let alone this combo she's suggesting.
It was in poor form and here's to having learned a lesson
Alva was a Smith...one of 5000 Smiths.
Trust me: Narcissist fathers are no picnic, either. My Dad was famous and always had a woman to abuse. First his Mother, then mine, then me. It really, really sucked and I've never quite recovered from it.
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Mine too. A college professor.
I'm sorry Hun...😢
I am so very sorry for you . I feel your pain 😔
Children of parents with NPD suffer more than anyone can imagine. Not like you can just walk away. I'm sorry.
The sadness of being raised by a narcissistic mother.
That word is so overused!
It BEYOND SUCKS!!! The BETRAYAL, NO WORDS CAN EVE DESCRIBE IT.
If you have a mother like that you dont need any enemies... I hope that God made her pay for that.
No. She'll die and do a life review as we all will do. No judgement--from herself or other spiritual beings. Her next life, however, won't be (or wasn't) pleasant. Probably an African American born into poverty. That would balance the karmic scale. There's no escaping karma.
Which one?
I don’t know that they ever pay for the damage they do. Impossible. The damage is done. Horrible people just leave human wreckage strewn all over the cities, the towns, the globe! What happens in The afterlife we cannot know. Imaginary and small comfort; it won’t undo a lifetime of abuse and madness.
@@jeanettesdaughterand simpletons blame ALL poor white ppl for the sins of the elite..it makes ZERO sense.
The one thing that wasn’t mentioned, and probably the most important, is that Randolph Churchill had Syphilis when he married. As a result she was very lucky she and the son she conceived from Randolph didn’t get the disease.
Alvia reminds me a bit of my (born 1885) great aunt, Edith, who cried very loud and publicly all the way through her only daughter's wedding, not because she was moved with love, but because she believed her daughter's choice of husband - an accountant - was "beneath her". What a nasty snob she was!!! I met Gt Aunt Edith once, in the1960s when I was little. She was a real dragon 😩😩😩😩😩😩
ALVIA was an absolute monster, and her heart attacks were completely faked, IMO! Consuelo had a horrific life all because of her mother!
Poor little rich girl. Sob 😂
@@stirlingmoss9637 “HOW CRUEL!”. IT WAS NOT Consuelos’s fault her grandfather made money!
They were fake!
Lets face it. The mother was a narcissist, manipulator and bully. In today's terms anyway. Or maybe just in MY terms. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Alma
That was the norm among the British aristocracy and American rich. Business contracts. Rarely love. Same with the British aristocracy amongst themselves. Rarely love. Power marriages or marriages that bailed out the impoverished aristocrats.
you married for power, property or political gain, love was not required. it's transitory and fleeting, you find love after you have the heir and the spare. and both survive to the age of 10.
It sounded a lot like Charles and Diana to me.
@elizabethnisotis334 -- Daughters back when were 'chips' to unite empires, aristocratic families, and a way to enrich families. Dreadful thing to do to your own child, but that is how things were done then, they knew nothing better. I wonder if, to a certain extent, that still goes on Western societies? I have heard it goes on in some other societies.
@@jeanettelhearn8412 If the person ticks all the boxes.....love not required?
Basically yes. The American rich aspired to be aristocracy , the US did away with it and the rich tried ever since to bring it back.
In that class the chief sport was who.was sleeping with who, Winston Churchill's mom was a classic example.
The mom was a typical southern woman who seemed herself to be noble,nothing was out of bounds.
It is heartbreaking that the aristocracy and the Barrons of American business used their children as pawns
The Kardashians are basically doing that nowadays 😂
Who are the Barrons? (🤭)
The mafia does.
You don’t think the rich still do this?
No bodily autonomy no financial autonomy no agency over your clothing food activities, forcebreeding with a genetically and sexually incompatible older man chosen by your owners. There's a word for that but it's not pawn 🤨
Typical British Upper Class marriage. This type of marriage was the norm, not the exception. They spend less time with their spouses and children, and more time socializing and bed hopping. As long as no one makes a fuss or ends "the arrangement", the marriage is considered a proper success.
The British Royal Family set the standard for the rest of society with its own marital immoral conduct, so it is not unusual that the other lesser titled peers followed their example.
They were falling over themselves to sell themselves, their titles, their grand histories, their bloodlines, to mega wealthy Americans - and _still_ feeling superior! 😆As you say, so long as the woman was canny, able to play the game, and produced Heir & Spare at a minimum the whole thing was deemed a success.
And these my friends are the same ppl whome everyone bows the knee to ! Crazy …
@@lydialily846 That doesn't get any less of a mind f*ck the older we get either. More if anything. Those who wept for 'Their Diana' also cooed over Camilla in a crown.
@@madoldbatwomannice to see the culture of envy and silliness alive and well in another failure.
@@lydialily846another nonsense comment
Elva was a Machiavellian narcissist talk about one sick woman. 😮
You don't know this is true at all.
Very sick and an abuser; especially the way she use to beat her slaves down in Mobile, Alabama where she is originally from, before she made it to N.Y. to become High Society. To be accepted into that rich society!
@@ValleyoftheRogueso what then- you think they made all this up?! Don’t think so - this women was the “Mommy Dearest” of her era, prob just like so many other wealthy, entitled and manipulative women who’s husbands just stood by while they proceeded to ruin their daughters’ lives by basically “selling” them off- though obviously the farther back you go, men were notorious for doing this as well, of course- it’s as old as time.😡
Mother? That is no mother! More like a monster vs mother!
Think she was blaming her daughtre for ' losing the war'? iI mean just put yourself in her shoes,she was a pamperSouthern belle. Had power over whoever she pleased most of her life Then WHAM, South looses, bye bye all the income earning Slaves. So guess who HAS TO WORK FOR A LIVING THEN. Just stop living/ thinking like it was back in,1840's
Child abuse is the worst thing a person can engage in and it should be a topic in mainstream discourse like income inequality, war, climate change, etc.
The poor woman! She never had a chance of happiness.
Must have been tough, crying in front of all of those servants.
Consuelo was left utterly powerless. She tried to take control the only way she could, by having 😢affairs and trying to hurt her indifferent husband. Her Mother was a monster. That woman has alot to answer to God for.
Her mother Alva grew up in the South and even as a child mistreated the family slaves.
They reconciled later
lol not by much
My mom and I visited Marble House in Newport in the '90s - Alva and William's summer home. Alva did indeed become a suffragist and had a Japanese tea house built in the front yard to hold parties for that cause. The custom teacups had printed on them "Votes for Women." As the gift shop sold teacups and mugs with those words on them, we each bought one. They were probably not exact replicas. They were more like heavy restaurant ware than fine china. Of course Alva would not have been serving anything in mugs, either. I have a mug and a cup-and-saucer. My mother passed away last year, and I still have both and cherish them greatly.
According to the tour, Alva not only had that scandalous affair with her husband's friend, she filed for divorce and married either that friend or another man, owner of a less lavish but still fine house down the street in Newport. It created a big scandal in those upper-class circles, but she seems to have held onto much of her status.
I recognized Marble House in the PBS miniseries The Buccaneers, based on Edith Wharton's unfinished novel about the fates of three young women married off to British aristocrats. One of them shared some features of Consuelo's story.
I wish my mother had arranged for me to marry a Duke! You people sitting on your moral high horse pretending you wouldn’t jump at the chance to marry into English aristocracy if you got the chance 🙄
She wrote the book "The Glitter and the Gold". Worth reading.
Thanks, I'll look for it.
This is why arranging marriages to keep wealth within a certain group, is a bad. Idea.
Tell Asians that
This one was a 'cash for title' deal.
Dollar Princesses
It wasn't about keeping wealth within a certain group. The Vanderbilts were incredibly wealthy but it was a matter of status and Alva was determined that Consuelo must marry an English Duke.
Really???
She wrote, "The Glitter and the Gold". It's worth the read.
Thanx for the recommendation!
Yes I’ve read it at least 6 times !
You know when the most elite and privileged lead miserable lives, there's something really wrong with the system.
Make a second half. For when she married and was happy.
Complete this sad story and give it the happy ending it was.
I forgot that Anderson Cooper’s mother was a Vanderbilt.
corrupt to the core
Not a Vanderbilt but "the grande dam", gloria! She carried on the family tradition. Poor anderson.😢❤❤
That is why he is ridiculous, arrogant, presumptuous man.
@@micheleobrien64He's scum.
There was a book written by Gloria "Poor little Rich girl"
I say good for her for living her own life after marriage!
the rod to the spine was not unusual for the time, they also placed a knife between the back of a chair and the spine. you slumped or "lounged" and you got cut. Alva was a card-carrying social climber and as ruthless as she felt she needed to be. Gibson did a comic of Consuelo being tied by the wrists and forced to marry the duke. EVERYONE knew she didn't want to marry him. she went to the wedding weeping. talk about a sacrificial lamb.
Edith Wheaton did a great job depicting how American princesses fared with the British aristocracy in The Buccaneers. The book was also dramatized in a TV series.
Same with the BBC show "Downton Abbey" 😢
Wharton.
Also made into a good film.
Wharton.
@@lellaheins2229 What is the name of the film?
In the 90’s I bought myself a beautiful flowery bedspread Gloria Vanderbilt. It lasted me almost 20 years. The quality of the fabrics and the colors were so exquisite. Every time I hear the name, I remember my beautiful bedspread.
she was a real witch.....should look into her background
I remember my first pair of Gloria Vanderbilt bluejeans!
Just cause the Vanderbilt’s had money, doesn’t mean they had class
They were new money
@@tiger38able Just like the tRumps! donnie s makes me want barf and the way he acts and talks is scummy. No class even Queen Elizabeth found him disgusting.
The originals had. They were hard working, very smart people from Friesland, the Netherlands, with modest, protestant values.
@@CindySeifen the queen was a baby eater
Class only comes when you have integrity. It appears as though maybe they didn’t have much going for them except money.
They brought some common blood into European aristocracy and improved the chin and teeth.
😂😂😂😂😂
👍😝👍👊👍😍👏
...and ears
that was ONE Royal House, the Hapsburgs, who had that problem..NOT all the Royal families.
@@mariahoulihan9483they're all related to each other.
This new generation who are marrying outside the old royal families are wise.
I'm reading Anderson Cooper's book on the family. Money does not bring you happiness. Very interesting book.
That albino freak is one of them don’t kid yourself
Money is neutral...its energy...it reflects who you and the people around d you are.
He did not turn out very manly. He is broken and a liberal flake.
Those men were more interested in getting their hands on some Vanderbilt money, rather than that girl.
@@randywatts6969 he was a Duke he should have been ashamed of himself
This was done with so many eligible daughters of American wealthy families. They were considered valuable property to be traded for a title.
Her mother was a Sea Hag!!! ❤
The man her mother made her marry only wanted her money! The other man really loved her.
The clips are taken from "The Gilded Age" which wasn't a movie but was/is an HBO series.
I'm irritated at the show. They should've gotten an actress who looked more like Alva to play her.
@@samsmom1491 The character isn't meant to be Mrs. Alva Vanderbilt though. She is Mrs. Russell. They just took inspiration from the Vanderbilt story to create her character.
Thx you for creating a channel that doesnt not revolve around current celebrities, gossip or murder.
“The Buccaneers” is another great book about the gilded age and American heiresses.
Or do you mean Buckeneers?
@@ElizzzaB ??
I watched the PBS Masterpiece Theater miniseries in one go one night. There is a scene where one of the debutantes marries her English aristocrat, and pretty much right after the wedding party, he takes her to the wing of the house where all the furniture is covered in white cloth, telling her he's broke. She's devastated that he married her only for her money, but it gets worse. He has been seeing a secret mistress and keeping her up in a nearby cottage. The wife tells the mistress to stop. In a sort of happy ending for the wife, her husband asks for a fresh start. Minus the happy ending, it sounds a lot like Consuelo's story.
A favorite! Great read. I think I’ve read it four times! The Gilded Age has fascinated me for years! Not as much as the Tudors but as bloody.
Repeating the same clips over and over is worse than flashing lights. Please stop!
Was looking for this comment.
Ah yes, the horrors of narcissistic mothers...they loathe their daughters!
Really? I never knew that. No wonder me mum talked smack about female children.
I feel for any young girl being raised by a narcissistic mother! Those types raise boys better than girls!
You're right. My mom was a manipulative narcissist. She hated me. I was the baby of 4 my sister, the oldest. Sister & mom seemed to get along, although no love lost between them. Fortunately, my Daddy spoiled me and loved me unconditionally. until I learned about narcissists I thought mom was jealous of me.
I've learned that my sister is the same. Controls her husband and kids with emotional blackmail.
I married a man strong in family morals, God, and country.
Even though Balsan was a decade older, he cherished her. ❤
He married her for her money. His brother, Randolph Churchill, was infected with syphilis contracted from a prostitute. He married Jennie Jerome nevertheless. They had 2 sons who had to have been born during a latent stage. After she found out she had no more to do with Sir Randolph Churchill. He was a remote father and eventually went insane and died. Jennie had many affairs and loved her sons. Even being a mistress to King Edward VII, Mrs Keppel 's favourite. The men all wanted those American dollars to keep their incredibly old and expensive homes. Blenheim Palace was the Marlbough's family seat. Consuelo and Jennie would have known each other. Marriage was a tool, no love involved. Winston Churchill went on to do great things and he and his brother were very close. I lived near Woodstock where Blenheim is, a massive place. Given to the Churchills by the king as a reward for the original Duke of Marlborough''s victory in battle years before. Winston was Winston Spencer Churchill, Diana Spencer's family.
Such sad eyes.❤
I thought her eyes portrayed softness, a gentle soul, not sadness.
Excellent what a great piece of history I didn’t know. Thank you
I love how it's scandalous for a woman to have an affair, but not for a man to, meanwhile he had no money, and just basically took her as part of the paycheck she came with. What a disgusting society, we aren't great but at least my family can't throw money at someone to take me.
But there is still that double-standard to some extent these days. Take the subject matter of midlife crisis, menopause and in general age. My favorite one is really the age thing. Men are "distinguished" when they have wrinkles the likes of a trainstation with all the tracks all over the map, where women are just downright "old" (and ugly). Never mind the part where men have a belly, it's somewhat acceptable. Women are rather fat and disgusting looking. Then there is the male chauvinism. But the femme fatale - that is of course a problem. Do women earn the same dollar and penny amount for the same job that men are doing these days? And I am not talking about the type of job responsibility that involves physical strength, but intellectual input (i.e. technical / computer). How often do we see male secretaries? A bit discriminatory there anyone?
That’s not completely accurate. After WWI, the British aristocracy found themselves cash poor, so many were unable to continue maintaining their estates. One solution was to marry male British aristocrats to American heiresses. It was a trade off…the American woman (and her family) attained titles and status, while the British men got the funds necessary to support their lifestyles.
Todays women have no concept of what it was like for women in the US before the modern age. Women were treated as property, just as slaves were. They could be kidnapped, restrained, tortured physically and mentally, have no free will, no resources, and their lives were not their own.
It eased up in the 20th century, but it wasn't until mid-century that things got better. Even then, a woman who divorced her husband ended up in much worse circumstances, generally in poverty, and often not allowed custody of their children due to this poverty and inability to provide.
Even when women could find work, it wasn't substantial, and low paying. In mid century, women started to move up in the world. In the 1970s, when Helen Gurley Brown was made editor of Cosmopolitan magazine, a lot of press touted that she was the FIRST woman editor of a magazine. Prior, men had been editors, and even of a distinctly womens magazine. Over and over women started to get better jobs, better pay, better education, and found ways to get out of the bonds of marriage to men who didn't love them.
I can remember my grandmother saying many times that her husband would say "no wife of mine will ever be allowed to work! It's a disgrace". She said this proudly, as his sign of love, because this way men kept the women bound to them for life. My grandmother was basically his slave, doing EVERYTHING for him. I saw her standing at alert in the living room, nervously waiting for his car to come up the drive and then she'd rapidly slip her stilettos on, and pour him a fresh cocktail, to be ready when he walked in. She'd put on a fresh dress, stockings, did her hair and makeup, all for his homecoming. He'd sit down, take his drink, and grandmother would slip his shoes/socks off and massage his feet with oil, before putting his slippers on. When his cocktail was done, dinner was served immediately, no delay at all, for any reason. After dinner he'd go to watch TV while grandmother and I would clean up the kitchen.
This is how I was raised to believe men were treated, and womens role in marriage. I was born in the 1950s.
@@theknitwit7098 The point here is that the girl herself wanted none of the titles and status, so such cases are, indeed, abuse. Why keep splitting hairs.
@@MJ-hl1kk You completely missed my point. I was arguing that when American heiresses were married off to British aristocrats, there was a sort of trade for value. The man got the money, and the family received the prestige of the connection to the man’s titled family. It was never about what the young woman (or the young man) wanted..,it was about creating or firming up dynasties.
The editing and retakes of the same scenes. My eyes were hurting.
Yeah, I’m stopping halfway, too much, would rather see just photographs
@@MauiBodyworker same. I need to stop watching too. I cant take it anymore.
Thank you for this. She had such a lovely name.
Blenheim Palace is an AMAZING residence. Her marriage may have been horrible, but I’m sure happy that she saved this glorious estate.
To me, this is why I don't lookup my family history because I am confident it's not as I think it will be. Imagine finding out this horrific Mother.....was in your history?
Indeed...I did exactly that , best to leave somethings in the past!
Such a similar thing also happened to Georgiana Spencer Cavendish the Duchess of Devonshire.
Also ... almost similar to Grace Kelly married to prince Rainier... she had to pay $2million to marry him... he treated her bad.
More! MORE! Tell us what happened to Consuelo and Jacques!
Don't leave us hanging!
Apparently Balsan and her younger son both died the same year, 1956. Her wish was to be buried with the younger son. So basically her marriage ended until his death. You can find it on wikipedia. There is also a link to a webpage in the show notes.
Just brilliant, thank you Eileen
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fascinating, I’ve never heard about this fine lady before. Her mother was a piece of work. She was like a caged bird in a decadent world.
Appreciate your real narration and great content! Those who rely on fake ai narration is lazy and annoying and I do not subscribe to those.
Thank you so much for your kind words and support! We're proud to say that all our narration and editing is done by real humans.
Agreed. They're kind of creepy, always stolen and way too easy to produce.
@@Factinateyou may want to know that UNimaginable is the correct term. Because you may use it again alot in subsequent videos
The only thing that bothered me were the constant replays of the scenes, over and over in a loop. It was quite annoying. Other than that, the rest of it was enjoyable.😊
@@FactinateI am glad to hear it but the problem is that we do not see the face of the narrator which I find very frustrating.
I was so afraid that Consuela would never find love that was real and lasting. It was a twisted and horrible road to get there, but I was interested that Winston Churchill came from the marriage of heart break. Funny how what England desperately needed during the war came from such a painful union!
Winston Churchill was Consuelo's nephew. His father was Randolph Churchill a younger brother.
@@serahloeffelroberts9901
Was she still part of the Spencer family?
Winston's mother was Jennie Jerome of Philadelphia.
If anyone was wondering, a lot of these video clips are from “the gilded age” on HBO Max!
I tried to watch that show but only got through a couple of episodes. Awful.
I visited Blenheim Palace 40+ years ago. It's a beautiful place!
Same here.
Me too. Fabulous
Blenheim Palace is where Winston Churchill grew up.The war time prime minister of United Kingdom.1939 to 1945 well that's the second world war.
It was one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen! I think that other than the beautiful interiors of the palace, I was greatly impressed with the grounds.
I was there June 1988; breathtakingly gorgeous place!!! And the grounds were fabulous ❤️
what about Consuelo's ex? didn't he remarry as well? was he finally happy too? seems like those old houses, the cost and up keep forced a lot of people to do things they didn't want to do just to hang onto them...my question, was it worth it to those people?
Awesome storyteller. Thank you for sharing this story. Succinct and wonderfully told ❤ 😊
I remember Gloria Vanerbilt jeans back in 1970's
I believe it was the 80's
@@susanpuckett6163 You are probably right 👍
I thanked the Divine for those straight leg jeans. I loathed bell bottoms and thought they were really stupid looking.
It's Consuela and her estate in East Norwich LI is my former country club. & yes it is gorgeous & haunted.
It's Consuelo not consuela
Consuelo. It means comfort.
He was too attached to her to be with her. What kind of excuse to break up is that...what the world!!😮
He was a wet weak!
He was probably paid to go away
If that's why he left, he didn't deserve her
He was too attached to the money he was bribed with
If you know anything about Gloria Vanderbilt you'll know she was a grand high priestess. Living in that family must've been a nightmare.
Grand high priestess of what?
Grand High priestess in the Satanic Illuminati also referred to the System! She was a very evil woman. She was replaced by Beyoncé
what's a grand high priestess?
@@laughswhentickled Of some occult set up no doubt
That's properganda.
Inimaginable is not a word.
I agree! Neither is 'twingles' as in 'twingles of feminist feeling' LOL
@@katerockpool3725 twin·gle ˈtwiŋ(g) əl -ed/-ing/-s dialectal, British
: twist, wriggle
it is in French : une histoire inimaginable & in Spanish : fue inimaginable
Thinking It’s OK to make up words that seem appropriate. ‘Twas Brillig ……
Beware the jubjub bird and shun the frumious bandersnatch.
Be careful what you wish for-not always what it seems.
These horrid people still rule us
But not for much longer.
Not in America. But Trump was trying 😂😂😂. He's lost his last marble, so.... Bah-bye little chump stump trump. He trumped himself right out of the realm of reality.
Yes.
No mercy.
A little too judgmental I think for this site.
@@patw1150 everyone has a right to their own opinion.
Beautifully narrated... xx
It's "foaming at the mouth" or "champing at the bit." You said "foaming at the bit."
Maybe her marriage wasn't the best but at that time (in high society) marriages were not made out of love but because of reputation, money and social status. And by the way, she also made the best of her marriage - kicked the husband out of her bed and took lovers and then got a divorce - THAT was a scandal at that time!!!!
What fascinating history… thank you for sharing!
Freaky family their Biltmore house has such a pall over it I could hardly stand being inside it Every corner felt a presence of evil and great unhappiness yuk on all counts
You mean Biltmore?
@@cherylfauth9543 yes biltmore feels awful to me very large presence of sadness and negativity no love whatsoever I don't know why I'm not a psychic type I just wanted to leave as soon as possible
So does Blenheim
Her marriage sounded like the Georgiana Duchess of Devonshire who was born into the Spencer Family, so she would have been related to the duke that Consuelo married. Aristocrat's all behaved the same. Watch the film ‘The Duchess’
Georgiana had a child out of wedlock that she was made to give up, who I think was related to Fergie & Diana who was a Spencer.
So the first marriage did end well. She got her divorce. Then she did get a happy ending.
Really??? Really? All she went through to get to the end of that hell.
@jacquiethebibleophil
"The last year's of conswalas life were everything she deserved" so it ended badly you say. It didn't she was happily married in the end. The divorce was good. She could remarry a better suited man. It started badly but ended well. Really! Really! Yes!
@jacquiethebibliophil she was married to her second husband for 35 years. She remained friendly with various of the Marlboroughs including Winston Churchill (who had utterly awful parents also)
@@carolineg3079 Churchill had an awful father, but I find his mother a good person. I know she had faults but she loved Churchill and he loved her.
@@carolinemacrae6227 Churchill adored his mother. Wasn't she herself an American heiress married off to British royalty?
Money still marries money.
Money does NOT automatically make for a happy life.
The Shuttle by Frances Hodgson Burnett portrays this kind of arrangement, though thankfully the bride's family are supportive of her.
Arranged marriages have been around since biblical days.
They're here now and they'll be around when your children are great-grand-parents.
Adultery will also be around, that's just the nature of humans. 🤷♂️
Arranged marriages are selfish and disrespectful. Long past ethical use.
Adultary is not something we should glibly accept. It’s bad for children, families, individuals and society. It’s also human nature or “animal” nature to want to kill, rob, take revenge etc. but we have the capacity for higher thinking and morality. That’s why animals can’t murder but people can. We recognize that taking a human life is morally wrong.
@amysill3815
You're mistaken dearie, there are many examples of animals murdering others of their same species to take control. Just one example:
Lion's will slaughter a leader and all cubs to take over a pride.
Try using Google.
The late and beautiful Princess Diana to Prince Charles was an arranged marriage by their grandmothers. She was in love with an idea of marriage based on romantic novels (Diana was obsessed with reading) and Charles for dynastic heir and spare reasons. It was not a true love marriage on either side. But Diana was jealous of his deep love for Camilla so could never play the aristocratic game of ....have the children then be free behind closed doors. For five years Diana was in love with her dashing army officer James Hewitt and everyone lived under that arrangement and the public didn't know. Ultimately, her romantic aspirations meant this was never going to last. Had she been able to exist in the old fashioned system ...then she'd probably be Queen now.
Wonderful story told in this episode 😊
He suffered? Way to own your choices, Duke.
To live happily, one needs tons of good luck.
They need GOD
@@wandaclark9252 Actually, doing fine without an imaginary diety watching and recording my every thought and deed. Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny and Jehova/Yahweh/Allah are all made up.
@@wandaclark9252 They need only the Golden Rule.
Her mother looked like Ena Sharples😵
Shameless was how the rich thought they were above common decency
Sadly-it’s not a ‘was’ but an ‘is’. Where I work, we have a lot of very wealthy families patronize our business. Some are not to be believed in their arrogance! Others are the most lovely people I’ve ever met. I like the people who remain humble.
The Vanderbuilt bloodline has always been evil. Gloria Vanderbilt was not exception. What she did to her children was horrific. The Biltmore House is where a lot of this took place.
You are mistaken. All this took place in New York City, where all of America's high society kept their huge mansions and held their parties. Biltmore, which is in Asheville North Carolina, wasn't even built until the late 1890s.
thank you for this great, but sad video. Wonderful presentation and insight into some deeply troubled individuals.
Excellent !!!!!☺️🇬🇧
Where the hell is her father in all of this?!
the mother alva looked like she stepped out of a horror movie and acted as such. there are no American princesses it being a republic. is is funny thought how these people coveted titles and adoration for themselves and their offspring.
Absolutely true!
You makes your picks, you takes your chances.
Wow. There was so much information I didn't know. Thank you for setting the record straight.
The duke married consuelo for her money he was almost bankrupt and many of blenheim’s treasures had been dold
Wow... its as if she wasnt wanted as a baby. So the mother decide to vow within herself to torture this girl to nothing. So sad that she didnt have her father to lean on for help. But, in the end, she was blessed for enduring all that torture.
OP: She lived a nightmare!
MOST WOMEN THROUGHOUT TIME: Are we a joke to you?
I've heard if you marry for money, rather than love you earn it
That’s not a mother, that’s a warden.
That Mother---OMG!
Makes you wonder why Consuelas father married this horrid woman and did little to protect his daughter.
New to your channel. This was fascinating!
And yet the minions think that aristos and royals are their superiors - we are all just humans
The mother looks like a battle ax!!
Spencer-Churchill, as in Diana Spencer?
I believe so
Thank you for this informative video. It was very interesting. I had never even heard of Consuelo Vanderbilt!
Cash for Class, Dollar Princesses, interesting Time in History.
Hell hath no fury than a woman scorned...
Consuelo was the one who coined the phrase "The Heir & the Spare", after the birth of her second child
It took an American teen-ager to teach the snobbish Brits a phrase that is STILL used today. When prince harry was playing the "Victim Card, he ACTUALLY said that this phrase was coined JUST for him, I thought what an IGNORANT man. Consuelo coined that phrase in 1896 I believe. Her second marriage was to a French pilot & it was an EXTREMELY LONG happy marriage & lasted for the rest of their lives.
Wonderful thank you! Also l.like your voice! Perfect delivery and not IA
What a sad family 😢
So Consuelo had a narcisist mother. It is previsible that her story was an unhappy one.