Sister Jensen, you too are a good teacher. I, myself am learning, and relearning the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and have a ways to go to prove my worthiness to be re-baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. All speakers have council that is of benefit to me. Hearing of Prophets of Old, which I have read about in the Holy and Sacred Scriptures, in General Conference Talks, brings the Scriptures to life for me.
I love the idea that "God's plan is not a cosmic vending machine." I think we all have a tendency in the midst of our personal battles to want it to be that way . . . luckily for us, it's not.
This was such a powerful talk, it really touched me. Especially when he spoke of Joseph in jail and said what if Joseph had the attitude like, so this is what I get for keeping the law of chastity. But it's not that your life has to be good good good, but to know that Heavenly Father and the Lord love you, and to know that They are with you through your trials. if we could sincerely trust Them, and know that it will lead to increasing love for Them and a deeper conversion. And trusting that they never leave us. As evidenced by Joseph ending up #2 to Pharaoh only and he was able to save the entire Israelite Nation.
@@churchofjesuschristgeneralconf I'm glad the subjects were touched on it gives us understanding and guidance for these times. God and Jesus know what is best and are making preparations for the time Christ returns. I love and support there wisdom and help always.
Perfectly timed talk for me. Just the day before conference, a coworker was instructing me to pray for the things I want. I told him I could do that but the Lord already knows what I want. I shared the parable from Jesus about God knowing us better than our earthly fathers. He still didn't understand why I wasn't praying for certain things. Ultimately , I don't want anything that the Lord doesn't want for me. Therefore I'll take all that he gives me and endure my trials. I'll do right by my family and honor my covenants. I don't need more than this. But I can't have any less. Make sense?
It does make sense, but don’t be afraid or ashamed to ask for what you desire from the Lord which is right in His eyes. He is anxious to bless us, and waits for us to ask so we can receive. Alma 34:18-27
No matter our experiences in our life, we can trust God to be with us. I learned this while in the hospital with covid. I prayed to get better, I prayed not to have to stay in the hospital, I prayed for so many things. What I learned was to pray for "they will be done" and learn along the way. I developed a stronger relationship with the Savior and leaned on Him!
Epic talk! We do suffer form Mortal Myopia in such a big way. The "cosmic vending machine" is a great metaphor and visual. YES, we need to establish a deep personal relationship with God the Father and Jesus and follow the promptings of the Holy Ghost!!
This one is a great reminder for me,I feel like I'm one on one with Elder Christopherson giving me counsel.This one is what I really need to hear in this trial time of my life.What a great timing and a great counsel to start my day.Thank you for posting right away,much appreciated.
In fact, he always brings a newer insight in the conference without dramatic voice of assurance and some awesome effects. Simple tone of voice which characterizes a mild and gentle touch to your soul.
“In the end, it is the blessing of a close and abiding relationship with the Father and the Son that we seek. It makes all the difference and is everlastingly worth the cost.”
I don't normally listen to Conference talks because of all the church and prophet worship, but this talk was exceptional. He taught the Gospel, out of the scriptures, and the Spirit bore witness to it.
Hi Elaine, Yes, I think we all do at least one time or another, but at times where I feel abandoned, I should think more about how Heavenly Father, withdrew himself from Jesus Christ, while he was suffering for our sins. Thankfully he can be right with us especially when we suffer. I like your name by the way. Elaine is my Grandmother's name. She passed away years ago, but is an incredible woman! I bet you are too! God bless you, and you are in my prayers.
The fact is that most, if not all, of our challenges are a result of our lack of self control. It is not God’s responsibility to fix us or provide us relief. It is our own responsibility to do so. Let go of controlling everything but yourself and peace will ensue.
The relationship with God , is by the Creation that builds faith by knowledge the firts day and the last to be One to worlds the rest by thy will and Glory be unto the father to teaching the simple things tell we be found doing so with another testament of Jesus Christ so we can take on a new name the last dispensation to eternity the time , by two ways that build off of in another one day and a thousand years parable teaching that puts together the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints . A Probationary period , is key knowledge by time and all eternity to God head . A relationship with God is by the grace we understand the holy Ghost a manifestation to all Nations that Jesus is the Christ the Eternal God. The Covenants the lord makes with the fathers , Parable to Shepards feeding and being fed. A veil has two sides the meridian in the middle to witness the gathering parable teaching temple work and by faith to show the work by relationship to God. The church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints , and temple , the veil would be home to father the mother teaching to bringing children into this life by One way and that is by agency to choose thy will as your own to outcome the growth by going in and be accountable for all we be turning the children hearts to their farther and the hearts of the fathers to the children . Honor is by love to be obedient , a veil is made by three two be one in all three that sees both sides without no ends . Unquenchable , is Parable to meridian as the spirit bodies the soul that makes the conection that quenches the correction to be as a child be in the fathers will , to desire hot and cold ways parable . Unquenchable fire can only be corrected by the behavior change to understand why. A dispensation builds one to another them all into the last by teaching a awareness. A three step , by the restoration of the gospel before the world. Before can be confused with past tense. Real time is before the understanding to figure the time that eternity now times the rest. A relationship is between two the common veil the rest before the world that teaching be , a relationship between on time and days , the relationship between God and one day and the earth one day. A thousand years being one day , and one day a thousand years to relationship the gathering at both sides the veil , the meridian .
How do you align the statement in the D&C that says: I the Lord am bound when you do what I say....etc. If you need a job to support your family and it doesn't come for years and you die then what's the point? I've heard apologies. Say this over and over. Oh in the next life or oh on his timeline. Well some things have very little time. You may only have to the end of the day the week the month the year. You can't always just put things off and say oh in the next life. Oh this is what he meant. Either he was bound or he's not bound. The scripture doesn't say I the Lord and bound to keep my promise when you do what I say but I'll get around to it 10, 20 100 years. We as individuals can make the same promise. I'll keep your commandments. I'll keep my promise in my own time. Just give me enough time. My only expectation is that a, I mean one prayer is answered within the time it's needed. i. e. This life. Like, should I marry this person. Don't really have years to wait on that one
How can he say "Our repentance and obedience, service and sacrifices do matter ...but it is not so much because of some tally kept in Celestial account books" when James E. Talmage says in Jesus The Christ pg 561 "In the accounts kept by the recording angels, figured out according to the arithmetic of heaven, entries ARE made in terms of quality rather than of quantity and values are determined on the basis of capability and intent". One Apostle denies a tally book, another one proclaims it. Who do we believe?
In context, they are saying the same thing. It's figurative language in both cases, meant to illustrate the same point about over-relying on our works. Both are meant to reflect the truth that it is not so much what we do, but what we become as a result of our desires, our agency, and the Lord's grace. Elder Christofferson says immediately after this that these works help us engage with and know the Lord better and assist in our transformation from natural man to saint. Elder Talmage discusses the Heavenly accounts in the context of citizens giving donations to the temple. Some throw in a lot of money, but the widow who throws in two mites comes away the most changed and benefitted for her service. On page 561, in the same paragraph, it says "the widow's offering was her all. It was not the smallness of her offering that made it especially acceptable, but the spirit of sacrifice and devout intent with which she gave." That's why Elder Talmage notes that it's about "quality rather than quantity" and the eternal value of our actions is "determined on the basis of capability and intent." I hope this helps. While their analogies may seem to contradict each other, they are testifying of the same truth.
@@patrickgee8189 I appreciate your efforts as an apologist and the desire you have to explain contradictory statements, but I don't see it that way. I see it as it was stated. One apostke says there are accounting books, the other says they don't exist. It doesn't need a commentary on why the they are not contradictory. I felt like you replied in the same exact manner as those essays that try to explain not so well admitted and accountable church issues such as priesthood, polygamy, mountain meadows massacre, etc. General membership members just can't bear the thought that 2 apostles or church presidents might say contradictory statements or that the church has made huge errors. They can't, they won't....because that makes the church vulnerable and potentially wrong now and then. The church expecta me to confess and admit when I'm wrong and repent, they should do the same but they won't. They have a no apology will ever be given policy. What kind of pompous organization can never admit they made a mistake(s)....this one and it's annoying and not right.
C DQ He never said they don't exist.. actually he said, "it's not so much that..." so in reality you are the one who is contradicting. Your opening statement is a direct quote then in one of your earlier replies you say he said, "they don't exist" which is a contradiction. I think elder christofferson is alluding to a cynical mentality. Namely to the critic who is always accusing us of works based salvation. On the other hand, Possibly another mentality directed to the member who is over consumed with a check list mentality. He's addressing personalities. He's issuing a warning of sorts regarding perspective. Doesn't mean that the record or book of life spoken of by John isn't kept. You make a good connection. It's almost like christofferson was intentionally Referencing that and you picked up on it. If so it's hard to imagine he would blatantly contradict. He does say however, "it's not so much that...." Which is not even implying there isn't a tally of sorts or even making a contradiction where were forced to choose between two Apostles... his statement does actually affirm there is a record. He's talking about where to place emphasis and helping us to be more refined in our thinking and assumptions.
I really struggle with this concept- what’s the point of living righteously if everything is done according the lords desires and not our own. Are we not agents into ourselves? Are we not here to grow as individuals? If so why the emphasis on submitting to whatever the lord seems necessary? Where is the ability to call upon heaven for miracles and blessings after the manner In which we seek?
I think you misunderstand. What the Lord desires is what ultimately is best for us. This can be interpreted many ways but God knows how we can grow spiritually while on earth and return back to live with him. Just like any good parent, they respect our choices but he's always there with his arm stretched out. No one can force you to do anything. We can choose not to follow any commandments just like we can ignore a parents rules or advice. In the end, he sees things from a higher and eternal perspective which our minds cant comprehend (this is why the prophets in the scriptures say encounters with God were undescribable, unable to explain). We even have a hard time defining the spirit, what it feels like, how it works. Life is a refining process... just like a rough rock cannot be made smooth unless it goes through constant damaging over a long time. We couldnt be refined in the premortal life, hence why we're here. And we dont have to do the journey alone.
Hi, Since God is way wiser than we are, because he is all loving, all knowing, and all-powerful, he is aware of what blessings we need, and the ones we just want. It isn't blind obedience, it's following pure wisdom, and love, because we want to love him. Since wickedness never was happiness, why would we want to be miserable? We are kind of like little toddlers learning how to walk. We think that "being carried by our parents is somehow better than walking on our own." We are promised compensatory blessings for lovingly obeying and keeping God's covenants and commandments. Since eternity is infinitely long, and mortal life is incredibly short, our tiny sacrifices are nothing compared with what Jesus Christ did for each of us, because his his infinite love for us. God bless you brother!
God is never too early or too late. He is always on time.
Amen!
He arrives PRECISELY when He means to!
@@FromAgonyToLight You beat me to it. 😂
Amén!!!
Always a favorite Speaker. We aren’t obedient for outcomes, but for a relationship with God. I wish I had understood this years ago.
Same here. Lot of time wasted thinking God forgot about me when I went through hard times.
Sister Jensen, you too are a good teacher. I, myself am learning, and relearning the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and have a ways to go to prove my worthiness to be re-baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
All speakers have council that is of benefit to me. Hearing of Prophets of Old, which I have read about in the Holy and Sacred Scriptures, in General Conference Talks, brings the Scriptures to life for me.
I love the idea that "God's plan is not a cosmic vending machine." I think we all have a tendency in the midst of our personal battles to want it to be that way . . . luckily for us, it's not.
Listened to this talk so many times since conference. This is THE message I needed. Thank you Elder Christofferson.
This was such a powerful talk, it really touched me. Especially when he spoke of Joseph in jail and said what if Joseph had the attitude like, so this is what I get for keeping the law of chastity. But it's not that your life has to be good good good, but to know that Heavenly Father and the Lord love you, and to know that They are with you through your trials. if we could sincerely trust Them, and know that it will lead to increasing love for Them and a deeper conversion. And trusting that they never leave us. As evidenced by Joseph ending up #2 to Pharaoh only and he was able to save the entire Israelite Nation.
Thank you for tuning in, Mahi! We are so glad to hear this talk has touched you.
@@churchofjesuschristgeneralconf I'm glad the subjects were touched on it gives us understanding and guidance for these times. God and Jesus know what is best and are making preparations for the time Christ returns. I love and support there wisdom and help always.
Jesus Christ is the king
“We do our best, but leave the management of blessings to Him, both temporal and spiritual.” Love listening to Elder Christofferson speak!
God's love for each of us is so powerful, and his enabling grace gives me such great hope for eternal life!!
This was so strongly inspired
Love this talk... direct answer to my prayers and current trials of faith.
“We can trust God & find Joy in him” 💙🙏🏽✨
Agreed!
Perfectly timed talk for me. Just the day before conference, a coworker was instructing me to pray for the things I want. I told him I could do that but the Lord already knows what I want. I shared the parable from Jesus about God knowing us better than our earthly fathers. He still didn't understand why I wasn't praying for certain things. Ultimately , I don't want anything that the Lord doesn't want for me. Therefore I'll take all that he gives me and endure my trials. I'll do right by my family and honor my covenants. I don't need more than this. But I can't have any less. Make sense?
It does make sense, but don’t be afraid or ashamed to ask for what you desire from the Lord which is right in His eyes. He is anxious to bless us, and waits for us to ask so we can receive.
Alma 34:18-27
if you dont speak my language ...you are not mine. in jesus name amen
That was a great speech. Thank you and God bless you
No matter our experiences in our life, we can trust God to be with us. I learned this while in the hospital with covid. I prayed to get better, I prayed not to have to stay in the hospital, I prayed for so many things. What I learned was to pray for "they will be done" and learn along the way. I developed a stronger relationship with the Savior and leaned on Him!
Epic talk! We do suffer form Mortal Myopia in such a big way. The "cosmic vending machine" is a great metaphor and visual. YES, we need to establish a deep personal relationship with God the Father and Jesus and follow the promptings of the Holy Ghost!!
Having faith in you johovia. Amen
This one is a great reminder for me,I feel like I'm one on one with Elder Christopherson giving me counsel.This one is what I really need to hear in this trial time of my life.What a great timing and a great counsel to start my day.Thank you for posting right away,much appreciated.
lets do our best, but wait for the Lords right timing
What a great talk.
This gave me a lot to think about.
Just listening to this makes me acclaim " Lord they will be done"
The timing for this message in my life could not be better.
You are not alone.
In fact, he always brings a newer insight in the conference without dramatic voice of assurance and some awesome effects. Simple tone of voice which characterizes a mild and gentle touch to your soul.
Let God prevail...
“In the end, it is the blessing of a close and abiding relationship with the Father and the Son that we seek. It makes all the difference and is everlastingly worth the cost.”
I don't normally listen to Conference talks because of all the church and prophet worship, but this talk was exceptional. He taught the Gospel, out of the scriptures, and the Spirit bore witness to it.
Sometimes i feel abandond. But i have to keep on paying
Hi Elaine,
Yes, I think we all do at least one time or another, but at times where I feel abandoned, I should think more about how Heavenly Father, withdrew himself from Jesus Christ, while he was suffering for our sins. Thankfully he can be right with us especially when we suffer.
I like your name by the way. Elaine is my Grandmother's name. She passed away years ago, but is an incredible woman! I bet you are too!
God bless you, and you are in my prayers.
Everything in divine purpose, So blessed we are 🥰🕊️🤗
This message is piercing ♥️
Thank you, I needed this so much right now.
Wonderful talk.
Sunday aft - August 7, 2022.
I love this talk ❤️
O love this talk
great talk eleder
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Maybe there are just things I don't understand, and I need to wait until I do.
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That you.
❤💜💙Proverbs
Yet there is a scripture that tells us that all blessings are predicated upon obedience.....
But we should leave to the Lord the timing.
The fact is that most, if not all, of our challenges are a result of our lack of self control. It is not God’s responsibility to fix us or provide us relief. It is our own responsibility to do so. Let go of controlling everything but yourself and peace will ensue.
I am the one failing the father
The relationship with God , is by the Creation that builds faith by knowledge the firts day and the last to be One to worlds the rest by thy will and Glory be unto the father to teaching the simple things tell we be found doing so with another testament of Jesus Christ so we can take on a new name the last dispensation to eternity the time , by two ways that build off of in another one day and a thousand years parable teaching that puts together the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints .
A Probationary period , is key knowledge by time and all eternity to God head .
A relationship with God is by the grace we understand the holy Ghost a manifestation to all Nations that Jesus is the Christ the Eternal God.
The Covenants the lord makes with the fathers , Parable to Shepards feeding and being fed.
A veil has two sides the meridian in the middle to witness the gathering parable teaching temple work and by faith to show the work by relationship to God.
The church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints , and temple , the veil would be home to father the mother teaching to bringing children into this life by One way and that is by agency to choose thy will as your own to outcome the growth by going in and be accountable for all we be turning the children hearts to their farther and the hearts of the fathers to the children .
Honor is by love to be obedient , a veil is made by three two be one in all three that sees both sides without no ends .
Unquenchable , is Parable to meridian as the spirit bodies the soul that makes the conection that quenches the correction to be as a child be in the fathers will , to desire hot and cold ways parable .
Unquenchable fire can only be corrected by the behavior change to understand why.
A dispensation builds one to another them all into the last by teaching a awareness.
A three step , by the restoration of the gospel before the world.
Before can be confused with past tense.
Real time is before the understanding to figure the time that eternity now times the rest.
A relationship is between two the common veil the rest before the world that teaching be , a relationship between on time and days , the relationship between God and one day and the earth one day.
A thousand years being one day , and one day a thousand years to relationship the gathering at both sides the veil , the meridian .
It MUST be so, since it's spoken in Elizabethan English. 😉
How do you align the statement in the D&C that says: I the Lord am bound when you do what I say....etc. If you need a job to support your family and it doesn't come for years and you die then what's the point? I've heard apologies. Say this over and over. Oh in the next life or oh on his timeline. Well some things have very little time. You may only have to the end of the day the week the month the year. You can't always just put things off and say oh in the next life. Oh this is what he meant. Either he was bound or he's not bound. The scripture doesn't say I the Lord and bound to keep my promise when you do what I say but I'll get around to it 10, 20 100 years. We as individuals can make the same promise. I'll keep your commandments. I'll keep my promise in my own time. Just give me enough time. My only expectation is that a, I mean one prayer is answered within the time it's needed. i. e. This life. Like, should I marry this person. Don't really have years to wait on that one
How can he say "Our repentance and obedience, service and sacrifices do matter ...but it is not so much because of some tally kept in Celestial account books" when James E. Talmage says in Jesus The Christ pg 561 "In the accounts kept by the recording angels, figured out according to the arithmetic of heaven, entries ARE made in terms of quality rather than of quantity and values are determined on the basis of capability and intent". One Apostle denies a tally book, another one proclaims it. Who do we believe?
In context, they are saying the same thing. It's figurative language in both cases, meant to illustrate the same point about over-relying on our works. Both are meant to reflect the truth that it is not so much what we do, but what we become as a result of our desires, our agency, and the Lord's grace.
Elder Christofferson says immediately after this that these works help us engage with and know the Lord better and assist in our transformation from natural man to saint. Elder Talmage discusses the Heavenly accounts in the context of citizens giving donations to the temple. Some throw in a lot of money, but the widow who throws in two mites comes away the most changed and benefitted for her service. On page 561, in the same paragraph, it says "the widow's offering was her all. It was not the smallness of her offering that made it especially acceptable, but the spirit of sacrifice and devout intent with which she gave." That's why Elder Talmage notes that it's about "quality rather than quantity" and the eternal value of our actions is "determined on the basis of capability and intent."
I hope this helps. While their analogies may seem to contradict each other, they are testifying of the same truth.
@@patrickgee8189 you explained that well, and I love "Jesus The Christ". Such a good book 😇
@@patrickgee8189 I appreciate your efforts as an apologist and the desire you have to explain contradictory statements, but I don't see it that way. I see it as it was stated. One apostke says there are accounting books, the other says they don't exist. It doesn't need a commentary on why the they are not contradictory. I felt like you replied in the same exact manner as those essays that try to explain not so well admitted and accountable church issues such as priesthood, polygamy, mountain meadows massacre, etc. General membership members just can't bear the thought that 2 apostles or church presidents might say contradictory statements or that the church has made huge errors. They can't, they won't....because that makes the church vulnerable and potentially wrong now and then. The church expecta me to confess and admit when I'm wrong and repent, they should do the same but they won't. They have a no apology will ever be given policy. What kind of pompous organization can never admit they made a mistake(s)....this one and it's annoying and not right.
We do, we move our feet, we act, so that over time, much time, we can become!
C DQ He never said they don't exist.. actually he said, "it's not so much that..." so in reality you are the one who is contradicting. Your opening statement is a direct quote then in one of your earlier replies you say he said, "they don't exist" which is a contradiction.
I think elder christofferson is alluding to a cynical mentality. Namely to the critic who is always accusing us of works based salvation. On the other hand, Possibly another mentality directed to the member who is over consumed with a check list mentality. He's addressing personalities. He's issuing a warning of sorts regarding perspective. Doesn't mean that the record or book of life spoken of by John isn't kept.
You make a good connection. It's almost like christofferson was intentionally Referencing that and you picked up on it. If so it's hard to imagine he would blatantly contradict. He does say however, "it's not so much that...."
Which is not even implying there isn't a tally of sorts or even making a contradiction where were forced to choose between two Apostles... his statement does actually affirm there is a record. He's talking about where to place emphasis and helping us to be more refined in our thinking and assumptions.
Cosmic vending machine!
I really struggle with this concept- what’s the point of living righteously if everything is done according the lords desires and not our own. Are we not agents into ourselves? Are we not here to grow as individuals? If so why the emphasis on submitting to whatever the lord seems necessary? Where is the ability to call upon heaven for miracles and blessings after the manner In which we seek?
@Lone Wolf Customs, Ask for what you want and you will get it if it's the Lords will. You will get it according to His timeframe.
I think you misunderstand. What the Lord desires is what ultimately is best for us. This can be interpreted many ways but God knows how we can grow spiritually while on earth and return back to live with him. Just like any good parent, they respect our choices but he's always there with his arm stretched out. No one can force you to do anything. We can choose not to follow any commandments just like we can ignore a parents rules or advice. In the end, he sees things from a higher and eternal perspective which our minds cant comprehend (this is why the prophets in the scriptures say encounters with God were undescribable, unable to explain). We even have a hard time defining the spirit, what it feels like, how it works. Life is a refining process... just like a rough rock cannot be made smooth unless it goes through constant damaging over a long time. We couldnt be refined in the premortal life, hence why we're here. And we dont have to do the journey alone.
Hi,
Since God is way wiser than we are, because he is all loving, all knowing, and all-powerful, he is aware of what blessings we need, and the ones we just want. It isn't blind obedience, it's following pure wisdom, and love, because we want to love him. Since wickedness never was happiness, why would we want to be miserable? We are kind of like little toddlers learning how to walk. We think that "being carried by our parents is somehow better than walking on our own." We are promised compensatory blessings for lovingly obeying and keeping God's covenants and commandments. Since eternity is infinitely long, and mortal life is incredibly short, our tiny sacrifices are nothing compared with what Jesus Christ did for each of us, because his his infinite love for us.
God bless you brother!
How much can you bench press? It’s really good for your chest. It really helps you think.
“We can trust God & find Joy in him” 💙🙏🏽✨
Sings: “It ain’t necessarily so...” 🎤