The death penalty should be mandatory in crimes with a high death toll regardless of a mental plea. A jury does not want to have the weight of committing someone to death in this day and age. Someone who commits this type of crimes should not even have the choice of life in prison.
I respectfully and highly disagree. Mental health should not be overlooked. That would inhumane to give someone the DP without acknowledging the state of their psyche first. I can't believe this is where our country is.
Even if he was given the death penalty, he could be sitting on death row for 18-30 years, still wasting tax payer money, and still having all the opportunities to prolong his life . Death penalty doesn't = instant death
Agreed and it was an instant death for his victims or if they weren’t dead yet, he made sure they were with more bullets shot. He deserves the death penalty, period. But, I do believe he won’t survive long in prison since there is always some prisoners that don’t like child murderers.
@@dh5380 This is so true maybe one day they will consider prison reform and change those Jim Crow laws that are geared towards people of color. I know someone that’s been in there 33 years with a life sentence and still fighting for there freedom that didn’t kill rape nor shoot anybody accused of a robbery
The jury has to follow the jury instructions. They take an oath: “Neither sympathy nor prejudice should influence your verdict.” Like the brash governor, you people are pretty ruthless in second guessing the jury. They were there, they heard the facts and the law, and they decided. They took an Oath. Maybe oaths don’t mean anything to y’all. Obviously, Desatan does not care. He knows better. If I was on The jury and heard the governor saying I was wrong, I would complain to the judge and the newspapers. It is disrespectful. The jury worked very hard and did what they swore under oath to do, which is follow the instructions of the court and come to a decision. None of you were there. You didn’t hear the evidence. In América, we don’t try defendants in the media. That’s what you’re wanting. You’re all judging him based on what the media said. And that is wrong, wrong, wrong. The media lies. They’re not under oath. They’re not subject to cross examination. Don’t try to second judge a jury. You’re not better than them. They did their duty. Accept it and move on.
Well nice for the Governor to come out and say yeah it wasn’t right and I hope they look into whatever else they can do. Yeah if there was ever a case that deserved the death penalty it’s certainly this one. No one wants this guy around not even the incarcerated
Sorry…but…jurors names should’ve Never been announced in court.! No matter the verdict…this was appalling. I’ve never heard of this happening and now…I will Definately be hesitant on Ever serving as a juror.
There is a huge difference for people on a jury listening to the facts and deciding guilt or innocence. The decision for the death penalty should not be decided by ordinary citizens, because they have to live with the fact their decision is going to bring about the death of another human being. For some, it's very difficult for them to be part of that process due to personal and/or moral reasons. The decision for the death penalty should be on the shoulders of the presiding Judge, just as he administers punishment according to judicial guidelines according to the State he rules in. Whoever thought the decision on death should be decided by a jury, should be barred from the planet, absolute stupidity!!!
It’s true, they rely on regular citizens to make a jury decision. But it’s clear that this murderer did more than just kill a person, he killed 17 people viciously. I feel he was coddled all through the trial and the families came each and everyday only to be disappointed. The courts are not strong as they shroud be. With this it sends a message that any mass shooter won’t face the death penalty.
The government should NEVER have the right to kill its own citizens. If anyone chooses, it should be the jury. Let the people decide, not some compromised bureaucrat
Ron DeSantis took money from the NRA and the only way you get that money is by answering a questionaire where you say you completely oppose any gun safety. His press conference today is manipulative and opportunistic. I worked as a crime victim advocate in Florida, he is no crime victim advocate.
He made it clear he wishes he shot more people. He is not going to feel bad ever. He gets to live. Imagine how those parents must feel. Put yourself in their shoes. Imagine just imagine. How lucky are you to only have to imagine it and not live it.
He's speaking of juror misconduct. If the holdout juror lied about his or her position on the death penalty during voir dire then that would be contempt of court or something of that nature. I think it should be pursued to send a message to all future jurors that you will be held to your word under oath. In reality this penalty phase trial was just a walk through. This case is a poster child for the death penalty. Anything less is a criminal miscarriage of justice.
Rapides parish Louisiana medieval dungeon built 100 years ago, 27 of us locked in a small steel box no bars are widows solid steel door with a slot in it to pass meals in, same as solitary confinement meant to house about 16 one toilet and one sink, half of them in their belonged in a mental institution some have been their so long they have turned into wild animals, if there was ever any hope of rehabilitation their is none now, they fed us rotten fish and rotten meat and molded bread that they got for free, half the people in their kept diarrhea and had stomach problems we got hot water down bidder kool aid with no sugar to drink, some have been in their for years just waiting on trail, the charges ranged from murder to shoplifting all in the same cell, I was wrongfully charged and had all my charges dropped, but I stayed in this hell hole for a week, I finally got bailed out, it took 3 years for me to finally go to trail and have all my charges dropped, but if I never would have gotten bailed out I would had to stay in that hell hole for three years, I wanted to sue the Sheriffs office but I couldn't find a lawyer to take my case even though I had a undisputable case, they all were scared to go against the Sheriffs office cause they all had cases they were trying to get deals on.
Yeah bro Pol pot genociding all the cambodians, he must've been punished real good... Oh wait, he lived out his life until he died of old age. KEK nice cope bro.
That is a true statement.... But RON You say this young man is responsible For the many deaths of young students that is correct!!! But if you were to (self reflect) How many Elderly grandparents in Broward County Enjoying their grandchildren coming home from school infected with covered 19... you think died directly From your decision to sew schoolboards FOR trying to slow the spread of covid 19 By enforcing a mask mandate due to there was no vaccines at the time.. I personally think you have killed Tens of thousands more floridians than this student??? What do you think RON??
@@AsianYellowIce You got that from his comment??? He said everything in life has consequences.. When you're murdering people you don't think there's consequences, May not be Justice consequences.. he didn't say that did he...
Ron, Ron, Ron. Read the statute on mitigating factors. If you don't like it, then have the legislature change the statute to automatic imposition of the death penalty upon a guilty plea to a capital offense.
@@jatpack3 What do you think about Ron spreading China's🇨🇳 bio weapon You think that was a crime? Let's ask Ron.... You say this young man is responsible For the many deaths of young students, yes that is correct!!! But if you were to Ron (self reflect) How many Elderly grandparents in Broward County Enjoying their grandchildren coming home from school infected with covered 19... you think died directly From your decision to sew schoolboards FOR trying to slow the spread of covid 19 By enforcing a mask mandate due to there was no vaccines at the time.. I personally think you have killed Tens of thousands more floridians than this student??? What do you think RON??
Romans 13:1-14 shows us there is nothing wrong with ending the life of a heinous murderer. Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...
Does no one think the death penalty is the easy way out for him, let him rot in jail so he can think on what he did for years, the tax payers argument is so bs and it’s just to make politicians sound good, the amount of taxes taken out on prisons, no one will notice it’s minimal for everyone.
The law says a jury of his peers, and we need to accept that. It was not easy being locked in a room and determining whether a person will live or die. That's our justice system, it is not perfect.
personally I would want the death penalty over life in prison, but maybe that's just me....being in jail is not fun, I cant imagine being in for that long.
@@armingleiner5292 more than likely someone like that would be thrown into solitary for there own protection. But on another note this person would be in jail with other murderers and rapist, you don't go to minimum security for something like this, at least I would hope not.....if that is the case then something has gone really wrong.
DeSantis is basically arguing that if we don't agree with the jury's verdict, then there should be another process. The jury system IS the process - support it, even when you disagree with a particular verdict. If the law is wrong, then amend the law - that's what the legislature is for. But don't cherry pick a particular verdict and demand isolated cases get better/different/individual consideration.
My exact thought. You take away this check and balance due to an unpopular verdict, and you've got legal precedent to overturn every jury that "gets it wrong" basically making juries useless.
@@oohellyaa08 Executing a murderer is not murder. It has not been so since the beginning of human existence. All cultures execute those who kill the innocent. What do you know that every culture in human history didn't? This is before you even bring religion into it.
For starters, Florida has the dumb law requiring trials to decide life w/o parole or death instead of a judge to decide their fate, like the majority of states; a waste of taxpayer $$. The defense for this decision laid out an almost flawless case showing how the current state of Florida system was at least partly responsible here if not more so. Watch the testimonies, from a private, pre school director 's compelling testimony how she reported to the proper agency that Cruz, a year old toddler showed distinct physical and developmental symptoms stemming from in the womb brain damage caused from a drug addicted mother. She did this with the hopes he'd be evaluated by doctors as proper followup, after informing the adoptive parents. They did nothing, no follow up or no regulatory process requiring evaluation. As he aged and was showing more developmental violent symptoms at home, county agencies would be seen at the house, multiple times again, to evaluation by doctors or precautions taken. That was testimony by the neighbor across the street. Then, due to a lack of communication somewhere, everywhere, when he attended the Parkland high school he shot up, they allowed him to enroll in their ROTC, multiple year program where he was educated about weapons, shown how to use them, so well, he won a sharpshooting marksmanship award. That was the ROTC program director from the high school testimony. This was the defense 's icing on the cake. How could this happen? This is typical of many states' red tape problems. This case will be studied hopefully to close the gaps these agencies have, to avoid this from happening again in Florida or many other states. Horrifically, this system handed a brain damaged kid guns and taught him how to sharp shoot. How could he be sentenced to death despite the severity of these horrible, tragic deaths. Apparently Desantis is naive (doubtful), or isn't going to acknowledge the state's accountability. The Sandy Hook shooter was diagnosed being on the spectrum of autism. His mother allowed him an arsenal of guns, so it was more on her and not the state in that case. He was given a diagnosis, Cruz was not.
People on here want the death penalty, its according on what jail you're are in, some jails are ten time worse than death. I've seen jails in small towns in Texas where you would rather stay in jail instead of being released and then I've seen jails in Louisiana where you pray for death and would do anything to get out.
He's right the justice system isn't fast enough. They should remove due process and charge desantis with illegally trafficking humans and improper use of covid relief funds
I do not support the death penalty. However, I believe there are Fates worse than death. I am not religious, but if there's a hell, the thought of spending your only physical body life in prison until you die, only the two eternally suffer is a fate worse than death
nobody wants to wait for the afterlife or fate for justice. The killer took 17 lives from families and you think they want to wait for justice.The death penalty should be mandatory in crimes with a high death toll regardless of a mental plea. A jury does not want to have the weight of committing someone to death in this day and age.
@@wildbushdog4741 I definitely see your perspective. However, as a person of color, and knowing that the death penalty is disproportionately handed out some people of color for the same crimes committed by white people, I'm just not willing to have a system in place that plays with people's lives. If just one innocent person gets killed from the death penalty, it's too far. At least with the life sentence, there's always room for redemption. Death is final, there is no coming back. That is not to undermine your perspective or the pain that the victims have to go through. But I'm willing to tell the judge and my lawyer if something happens to my family that I do not support death penalty and I would like to see them convicted to life.
Maybe you should try at least ATTEMPTING to prevent these things from happening instead of pushing for guns guns guns for everyone no matter what their mental stability might be. It's a little too late to care now. I'm not opposed to the death penalty, but honestly that's the easy way out. He'll suffer in jail for years and then he'll die anyway. Life is a harsher punishment.
He can rot in a prison for his entire life and I'm fine with that. Killing doesn't solve killing. I'd rather pay for someone's food in prison than a flight to Martha's Vineyard.
Nik was one of those young, vibrant children of that school, BUT THAT SCHOOL LET HIM SUFFER TOO LONG, DESTROYING HIS CHANCE TO SUCCEED LIKE HIS PEERS!!! SHAME ON YOUR ASSESSMENT OF NIKOLAS JACOB CRUZ
imagine complaining about the cost of housing inmates when Florida spends the 7th least amount to house inmates in the country only behind Alabama, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nevada, and Oklahoma.
Is that overall or is it proportional to how many inmates our state has in comparison to others? Edit: could you link the stat, I want to see what the other states are doing
It is what it is. I'm not trying to sound callous but it's the way our forefathers meant the judicial process to work. Jury made their decision and it must be respected.
@@ukmedicfrcs 1, 2, 3...doesn't matter. It's a system and it's not perfect. It never was. The fact that Americans have accepted the system means they have to agree with the outcome...good or bad. Besides the defense and prosecution get to vet the jurors so....
@@Agtsmirnoff Yeah, but people are complaining about the due process that occurred here. They would prefer that due process hadn't come into it. Go straight to eye for an eye.
Jerry, Nicholas Cruz killed students on Valentine's Day because of his own miserable existence on this earth. There should not be a trial when there's absolute proof a person took a life of another or others. A judge should have the sole authority to sentence a person to death for their hideous crime against humanity. Execution should follow within 48 hours. The kids he murdered had their entire future ahead of them. He took that away from them without any remorse. There's no reason for him to continue to exist.
The death penalty is coming for everyone who is resistant to the Gov. This is a small step to a landslide worldwide acceptance of the Beast SYSTEM. Revelation 13:16 KJV And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
I don't think it makes sense to kill the defendant, we need a justice system that tries to rehabilitate people, not punish them. When we punished children who crossed the Mexican border by locking them in cages, that deterrent didn't have any effect on immigration, simply because punishments and deterrents don't work. The Death Penalty is a completely ineffective deterrent that honestly needs to go. Would you rather pay a little extra in taxes to kill defenseless people who surrendered in jail, or would you feel better being part of a system that tries to rehabilitate them?
People need to stop thinking about the criminals, backgrounds, upbringing, environment, and start thinking about the victims and the crime that was commited, the planning, the motivation and the intent..
don't get me wrong I think what happened was awful, i mean watching him in that hyper popular criminalpsychology video terrified me. however abuse is abuse. no matter who you are that's going to effect you and it effected this guy in a terrible way. I think he deserves nothing less then life in prison but not death
The problem here, is the justice system isn't just, it's corrupt, in yrs, I've seen criminals having better/ more Priveledges, than the victims themselves, but these jurors don't sometimes know even what really happen in some city, state, these cases r movedround somewhere else, an alot of these jurors have no CONCIENCE, compassion of these massacres?? They simply don't care? It didn't happen to me, well too bad, not my kid, my mother/father, brother, /sister?? So Why Should I Care? Or put too much emphasis in this case/...!! !! BUT Let It Happen to Them, DEEP ?? Where It HURTS, an let's see another reaction....??
Ron de santis really seems like a common sense guy. I'd normally side with a dem for presidential elections but I'd side with him if he ran. Fingers crossed. 🤞🤞
Convicts should have to help replace the roofs that the insurance companies are requiring be replaced. Replace death penalty with a life sentence of hard labor if guilty beyond reasonable doubt. That’s a real deterrent.
@@Ddub1083 No, sadly. The 13th Amendment that abolished slavery had an exception for prisoners. Matter of fact, that was one of the first kickstarts to the prison industrial complex, even before the war on crime. Even still, slave labor is still enormously unethical. What we should do is gear prison systems or Rehabilitation instead of just punishment. Finland did it. As a matter of fact, Finland has a prison museum to show how brutal and barbaric their prison system used to be. It looks exactly like our modern-day prisons.
This trial was a joke from start till end. Just like the judge of this case was drama queen and I believe all jury members were like her as well. It was open/shut case death
Apparently no one has visited a penitentary. Deatth penalty to easy. Life is not good. never going out agsin and he is not going to be welcomed with open arms. work in a pen for a month as see how it works.
I look at it like this: he will have 60 or 70 years to think about what he done. That is a harsher punishment than death. Also,the reason it took this long is because Covid came along and we are just now able to have juror's and people in the courtroom.
You are undermining the jury because 3 of them gave a result that you didn't like. This reminds me SO much of the Kyle Rittenhouse trial when it comes to the jury. This is how America works. If we make exceptions then the wrongfully convicted can get executed before even having the opportunity to show their innocence. Nik had taken responsibility and there is undeniable proof that he did it. Those 3 jurors aren't the only people who gave Nik mercy in this country. I get the frustrations but whining about the outcome and getting angry at 3 jurors who followed their duty that didn't go your way is ridiculous.
I guess you would only really know if someone you loved was shot four times and then you had to wait four years for him to be sentenced as he laughs as his lawyer flips the bird and he gets what he wants and gets to live. Perspectives and thoughts change when it affects you deeply and it is clear you have never been challanged on this.
"this is not the way the system is supposed to work"..... UHMMMM it is actually exactly how the system is supposed to work. i do not agree with the sentence, but that is up to the jury that was selected not me and not desantis. period. This guy just gets it wrong over and over again.
He’s 100% right . Men have been put to death for less than this . A lot less
Especially in Florida!
This was uncalled for . The juror should be disqualified. This shouldn’t have even been an option
You know if a cop just shot the monster while he was sitting in court I wouldn’t be upset at all.
Democracy dude
neither would I, take out this monster and a terrible cop. 2 for 1 not a bad deal 👌
@@SirL3X0N I'm with you there. Lord knows there are plenty of both
The death penalty should be mandatory in crimes with a high death toll regardless of a mental plea. A jury does not want to have the weight of committing someone to death in this day and age. Someone who commits this type of crimes should not even have the choice of life in prison.
Well said *
@@boblatkey7160 stop
Agreed
Wild dogs are not in charge though
I respectfully and highly disagree. Mental health should not be overlooked. That would inhumane to give someone the DP without acknowledging the state of their psyche first. I can't believe this is where our country is.
Even if he was given the death penalty, he could be sitting on death row for 18-30 years, still wasting tax payer money, and still having all the opportunities to prolong his life . Death penalty doesn't = instant death
Less than a dollar to put a bullet in his skull though. Wish the family could be the jury
No one claimed that. He is young and will live at least another 60-70 years under tax payer money which is a far worst case scenario than 18-30.
Agreed and it was an instant death for his victims or if they weren’t dead yet, he made sure they were with more bullets shot. He deserves the death penalty, period. But, I do believe he won’t survive long in prison since there is always some prisoners that don’t like child murderers.
@@tombradford2010 death penalty costs more than life in prison. look up the facts please.
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You have people in Florida prison that has never killed anyone and serving life sentences…I’ll leave it at that
Especially people of color because Florida is a Southern state where Blacks are discriminated against to a great extent
@@dh5380 This is so true maybe one day they will consider prison reform and change those Jim Crow laws that are geared towards people of color. I know someone that’s been in there 33 years with a life sentence and still fighting for there freedom that didn’t kill rape nor shoot anybody accused of a robbery
Jurors have no courage and empathy for the victims.
The jury has to follow the jury instructions. They take an oath:
“Neither sympathy nor prejudice should influence your verdict.”
Like the brash governor, you people are pretty ruthless in second guessing the jury. They were there, they heard the facts and the law, and they decided. They took an Oath. Maybe oaths don’t mean anything to y’all. Obviously, Desatan does not care. He knows better. If I was on The jury and heard the governor saying I was wrong, I would complain to the judge and the newspapers. It is disrespectful. The jury worked very hard and did what they swore under oath to do, which is follow the instructions of the court and come to a decision.
None of you were there. You didn’t hear the evidence. In América, we don’t try defendants in the media. That’s what you’re wanting. You’re all judging him based on what the media said. And that is wrong, wrong, wrong. The media lies. They’re not under oath. They’re not subject to cross examination.
Don’t try to second judge a jury. You’re not better than them. They did their duty. Accept it and move on.
DeSatan? Wow that’s mature lol.
Just put him in GENPOP
Well nice for the Governor to come out and say yeah it wasn’t right and I hope they look into whatever else they can do. Yeah if there was ever a case that deserved the death penalty it’s certainly this one. No one wants this guy around not even the incarcerated
Sorry…but…jurors names should’ve Never been announced in court.! No matter the verdict…this was appalling. I’ve never heard of this happening and now…I will Definately be hesitant on Ever serving as a juror.
It’s against the rules. We use juror number now even in the court transcripts
He's speaking the truth...
Exactly correct!!!!!!
Juries decide. If you don't like it you can leave.
There is a huge difference for people on a jury listening to the facts and deciding guilt or innocence.
The decision for the death penalty should not be decided by ordinary citizens, because they have to live with the fact their decision is going to bring about the death of another human being. For some, it's very difficult for them to be part of that process due to personal and/or moral reasons.
The decision for the death penalty should be on the shoulders of the presiding Judge, just as he administers punishment according to judicial guidelines according to the State he rules in.
Whoever thought the decision on death should be decided by a jury, should be barred from the planet, absolute stupidity!!!
IMO, Judge does not appear competent to hold such a trial as this. Seems tired or uninterested. Awful tragedy all around.
That's not a human being. A human being is not capable of what he did. He is a sick animal that needs to be put down.
It’s true, they rely on regular citizens to make a jury decision. But it’s clear that this murderer did more than just kill a person, he killed 17 people viciously. I feel he was coddled all through the trial and the families came each and everyday only to be disappointed. The courts are not strong as they shroud be. With this it sends a message that any mass shooter won’t face the death penalty.
The government should NEVER have the right to kill its own citizens. If anyone chooses, it should be the jury. Let the people decide, not some compromised bureaucrat
These people who are so quick to cite the Constitution in one instance quickly forget about the Constitution in another
Ron DeSantis took money from the NRA and the only way you get that money is by answering a questionaire where you say you completely oppose any gun safety. His press conference today is manipulative and opportunistic. I worked as a crime victim advocate in Florida, he is no crime victim advocate.
That their is a future President.
If you don't plan to use the death penalty in cases like this, it should be abolished. Even the text in the comments leans to the right wtf.
so he thinks that letting him die immediately instead of making him think about the lives he took is better?
He made it clear he wishes he shot more people. He is not going to feel bad ever. He gets to live. Imagine how those parents must feel. Put yourself in their shoes. Imagine just imagine. How lucky are you to only have to imagine it and not live it.
He's speaking of juror misconduct. If the holdout juror lied about his or her position on the death penalty during voir dire then that would be contempt of court or something of that nature. I think it should be pursued to send a message to all future jurors that you will be held to your word under oath. In reality this penalty phase trial was just a walk through. This case is a poster child for the death penalty. Anything less is a criminal miscarriage of justice.
Let's hope he feels that way when he gets locked up for hate crimes
This country be on some bs
Rapides parish Louisiana medieval dungeon built 100 years ago, 27 of us locked in a small steel box no bars are widows solid steel door with a slot in it to pass meals in, same as solitary confinement meant to house about 16 one toilet and one sink, half of them in their belonged in a mental institution some have been their so long they have turned into wild animals, if there was ever any hope of rehabilitation their is none now, they fed us rotten fish and rotten meat and molded bread that they got for free, half the people in their kept diarrhea and had stomach problems we got hot water down bidder kool aid with no sugar to drink, some have been in their for years just waiting on trail, the charges ranged from murder to shoplifting all in the same cell, I was wrongfully charged and had all my charges dropped, but I stayed in this hell hole for a week, I finally got bailed out, it took 3 years for me to finally go to trail and have all my charges dropped, but if I never would have gotten bailed out I would had to stay in that hell hole for three years, I wanted to sue the Sheriffs office but I couldn't find a lawyer to take my case even though I had a undisputable case, they all were scared to go against the Sheriffs office cause they all had cases they were trying to get deals on.
EVERYTHING WE DO IN LIFE HAS CONSEQUENCES.
Yeah bro Pol pot genociding all the cambodians, he must've been punished real good...
Oh wait, he lived out his life until he died of old age. KEK nice cope bro.
It's cheaper to keep him alive. Desantis saying he's living on taxpayer money is pretty hilarious.
That is a true statement.... But RON You say this young man is responsible For the many deaths of young students that is correct!!! But if you were to (self reflect) How many Elderly grandparents in Broward County Enjoying their grandchildren coming home from school infected with covered 19... you think died directly From your decision to sew schoolboards FOR trying to slow the spread of covid 19 By enforcing a mask mandate due to there was no vaccines at the time.. I personally think you have killed Tens of thousands more floridians than this student??? What do you think RON??
@@AsianYellowIce You got that from his comment??? He said everything in life has consequences.. When you're murdering people you don't think there's consequences, May not be Justice consequences.. he didn't say that did he...
@@moogs Like You're dad not wearing a rubber? What level Of consequences would that be?
Ron, Ron, Ron. Read the statute on mitigating factors. If you don't like it, then have the legislature change the statute to automatic imposition of the death penalty upon a guilty plea to a capital offense.
Lol he can't just change the law and the democrats will never approve it.
@CHRISTOPHER PAGE So... bypass our legal system??
@@rdbwdc774 sure
I don't like the governor, but he's right on this one ,justice was not served,witch shows the justice system is a joke.
Which is more "pro-life"? Having laws that allow for the slaughter of children or being disappointed that the killer isn't killed.
What laws "allow for the slaughter of children"?
I am in favor of stricter gun laws but I have no problem with capital punishment.
You have issues with the guilty paying for their crimes
@@jatpack3 What do you think about Ron spreading China's🇨🇳 bio weapon You think that was a crime? Let's ask Ron.... You say this young man is responsible For the many deaths of young students, yes that is correct!!! But if you were to Ron (self reflect) How many Elderly grandparents in Broward County Enjoying their grandchildren coming home from school infected with covered 19... you think died directly From your decision to sew schoolboards FOR trying to slow the spread of covid 19 By enforcing a mask mandate due to there was no vaccines at the time.. I personally think you have killed Tens of thousands more floridians than this student??? What do you think RON??
Romans 13:1-14 shows us there is nothing wrong with ending the life of a heinous murderer.
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...
Does no one think the death penalty is the easy way out for him, let him rot in jail so he can think on what he did for years, the tax payers argument is so bs and it’s just to make politicians sound good, the amount of taxes taken out on prisons, no one will notice it’s minimal for everyone.
Pro-Life governor?????
I agree with everything he said. Well said
I thought he was pro-life?
I think it's up to the jurors completely
The law says a jury of his peers, and we need to accept that. It was not easy being locked in a room and determining whether a person will live or die. That's our justice system, it is not perfect.
No death penalty for anybody.
That's very Christian of him to want to murder someone.
personally I would want the death penalty over life in prison, but maybe that's just me....being in jail is not fun, I cant imagine being in for that long.
Yeah but why should the other inmates who didnt do that bad of a crime suffer to be surrounded by murderers?
@@armingleiner5292 more than likely someone like that would be thrown into solitary for there own protection. But on another note this person would be in jail with other murderers and rapist, you don't go to minimum security for something like this, at least I would hope not.....if that is the case then something has gone really wrong.
@@nenno6748 The best and cheapest solution would be to sentence them to life but let them get killed in prison within weeks or months.
Campaign on your own time. If you stop campaigning and promoting your agenda, the outcome may have been different.
So much for pro life. ....
And now there’s a report of jury tampering or intimidation.
DeSantis is basically arguing that if we don't agree with the jury's verdict, then there should be another process. The jury system IS the process - support it, even when you disagree with a particular verdict. If the law is wrong, then amend the law - that's what the legislature is for. But don't cherry pick a particular verdict and demand isolated cases get better/different/individual consideration.
My exact thought. You take away this check and balance due to an unpopular verdict, and you've got legal precedent to overturn every jury that "gets it wrong" basically making juries useless.
well said
The Governor disagrees with the pro-life juror for her consistency.
I thought he was prolife.
He is pro-life. For innocent babies. Not murderous psychopaths. If you cant figure out the difference, something is wrong with you.
@@gabewl29 then that's not pro-life, murder is murder.
@@oohellyaa08 Shut up. Just stop. Your reaching and doing a horrible job at it.
@@oohellyaa08 Executing a murderer is not murder. It has not been so since the beginning of human existence. All cultures execute those who kill the innocent. What do you know that every culture in human history didn't? This is before you even bring religion into it.
If there was one case that fit the " take him out back." This was it. Sorry to the families. He will get it.
Exactly 💯
Why is DeSantis talking about it? He is politicking off it? This makes me SICK! Get a podcast if you want to comment with no action.
He was asked a question about it by the press. So he answered. Duh.
@@gabewl29 Yeah, his answer should have been "the jury has spoken."
For starters, Florida has the dumb law requiring trials to decide life w/o parole or death instead of a judge to decide their fate, like the majority of states; a waste of taxpayer $$. The defense for this decision laid out an almost flawless case showing how the current state of Florida system was at least partly responsible here if not more so. Watch the testimonies, from a private, pre school director 's compelling testimony how she reported to the proper agency that Cruz, a year old toddler showed distinct physical and developmental symptoms stemming from in the womb brain damage caused from a drug addicted mother. She did this with the hopes he'd be evaluated by doctors as proper followup, after informing the adoptive parents. They did nothing, no follow up or no regulatory process requiring evaluation. As he aged and was showing more developmental violent symptoms at home, county agencies would be seen at the house, multiple times again, to evaluation by doctors or precautions taken. That was testimony by the neighbor across the street. Then, due to a lack of communication somewhere, everywhere, when he attended the Parkland high school he shot up, they allowed him to enroll in their ROTC, multiple year program where he was educated about weapons,
shown how to use them, so well, he won a sharpshooting marksmanship award. That was the ROTC program director from the high school testimony. This was the defense 's icing on the cake. How could this happen? This is typical of many states' red tape problems. This case will be studied hopefully to close the gaps these agencies have, to avoid this from happening again in Florida or many other states.
Horrifically, this system handed a brain damaged kid guns and taught him how to sharp shoot. How could he be sentenced to death despite the severity of these horrible, tragic deaths. Apparently Desantis is naive (doubtful), or isn't going to acknowledge the state's accountability. The Sandy Hook shooter was diagnosed being on the spectrum of autism. His mother allowed him an arsenal of guns, so it was more on her and not the state in that case. He was given a diagnosis, Cruz was not.
The US Constitution forbids it. Ya know right to jury trial and all.
Thank you for your knowlegible reply. You said what I would say, if I was that educated, and you are correct.
I love u Ron de Santis ur so pro active!!!
What juror is sure going into a murder case that he will be able to vote for the death penalty? He may have thought he could, then changed his mind.
I agree 100%
People on here want the death penalty, its according on what jail you're are in, some jails are ten time worse than death. I've seen jails in small towns in Texas where you would rather stay in jail instead of being released and then I've seen jails in Louisiana where you pray for death and would do anything to get out.
He's right the justice system isn't fast enough. They should remove due process and charge desantis with illegally trafficking humans and improper use of covid relief funds
Yes, you are right, death is indeed a deterrent!
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desantis: killing him and ending his guilt instead of making him remember the lives he took is better
If only Gavin Newsom would agree with Desantis, then none of this Bulls*** would happen!! Pardon my French.
I do not support the death penalty. However, I believe there are Fates worse than death. I am not religious, but if there's a hell, the thought of spending your only physical body life in prison until you die, only the two eternally suffer is a fate worse than death
nobody wants to wait for the afterlife or fate for justice. The killer took 17 lives from families and you think they want to wait for justice.The death penalty should be mandatory in crimes with a high death toll regardless of a mental plea. A jury does not want to have the weight of committing someone to death in this day and age.
@@wildbushdog4741 I definitely see your perspective. However, as a person of color, and knowing that the death penalty is disproportionately handed out some people of color for the same crimes committed by white people, I'm just not willing to have a system in place that plays with people's lives. If just one innocent person gets killed from the death penalty, it's too far. At least with the life sentence, there's always room for redemption. Death is final, there is no coming back. That is not to undermine your perspective or the pain that the victims have to go through. But I'm willing to tell the judge and my lawyer if something happens to my family that I do not support death penalty and I would like to see them convicted to life.
I don’t know if death penalty is bad. Everyone dies some time.
Maybe you should try at least ATTEMPTING to prevent these things from happening instead of pushing for guns guns guns for everyone no matter what their mental stability might be. It's a little too late to care now.
I'm not opposed to the death penalty, but honestly that's the easy way out. He'll suffer in jail for years and then he'll die anyway. Life is a harsher punishment.
He can rot in a prison for his entire life and I'm fine with that. Killing doesn't solve killing. I'd rather pay for someone's food in prison than a flight to Martha's Vineyard.
What ever is cheap. Life is cheaper. This trial was a big waste of money.
If you mean keeping an inmate alive for 50 years is cheaper than a few months before the penalty, then I’d disagree.
@@joshuamorales1095 Waste no more money on him and let other inmates beat him.
I guess we just have to wait and see for that.
Wtf who cares what desatanis opinion on this matter is. Stop using tragedies for your own political theater
Nothing about gun control, deathsantis.
Nik was one of those young, vibrant children of that school, BUT THAT SCHOOL LET HIM SUFFER TOO LONG, DESTROYING HIS CHANCE TO SUCCEED LIKE HIS PEERS!!! SHAME ON YOUR ASSESSMENT OF NIKOLAS JACOB CRUZ
Good one Ronnie....wait until more people start to open their eyes
He telling the truth
I’m sorry he kidnapped a bunch of immigrants. He has no room to talk. He’s such a hypocrite
Yeah when blacks does things that the governor dont like? Death penalty, this is why we need another Governor and he is not a real Floridian
How pro life of him
I mean he’s right. But he’s also a hypocrite
An unborn human is innocent, a teenager who slaughters dozens of kids is not.
The jury has spoken. Which means Ron needs a podium stat.
imagine complaining about the cost of housing inmates when Florida spends the 7th least amount to house inmates in the country only behind Alabama, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nevada, and Oklahoma.
Is that overall or is it proportional to how many inmates our state has in comparison to others?
Edit: could you link the stat, I want to see what the other states are doing
WOW, what a brilliant point😜
There's always room for improvement...like spending even less. Don't go to jail.
death penalty is expensive as well
Stings in Louisiana 😡
It "stings" people who suffered loss of a loved one's life ?! Are you kidding? But on the whole, DeSantis, you sound more humane than usual.
It is what it is. I'm not trying to sound callous but it's the way our forefathers meant the judicial process to work. Jury made their decision and it must be respected.
Correction, ONE juror.
@@ukmedicfrcs Correction, THREE jurors.
Thanks for presenting logic over feelings.
@@pigtailsandteddybears If a single juror disagrees, then the defendant is sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Hello?
@@ukmedicfrcs 1, 2, 3...doesn't matter. It's a system and it's not perfect. It never was. The fact that Americans have accepted the system means they have to agree with the outcome...good or bad. Besides the defense and prosecution get to vet the jurors so....
So the government decides that it is a crime to take a life so then it does the same to the perp.
that's what i'm saying, the logic is kind of bizarre.
Government takes a life after DUE PROCESS
@@Agtsmirnoff Yeah, but people are complaining about the due process that occurred here. They would prefer that due process hadn't come into it. Go straight to eye for an eye.
It is a crime to take an innocent life. Nikolas Cruz is not innocent.
@@ThruAWiderLens People are complaining about the fact that one juror can decide an entire case.
I'm torn on the death penalty, I really wouldn't want to be a juror, I would if I was called on to do it.
Jerry, Nicholas Cruz killed students on Valentine's Day because of his own miserable existence on this earth. There should not be a trial when there's absolute proof a person took a life of another or others. A judge should have the sole authority to sentence a person to death for their hideous crime against humanity. Execution should follow within 48 hours. The kids he murdered had their entire future ahead of them. He took that away from them without any remorse. There's no reason for him to continue to exist.
I look at it this way, God saved his life for a purpose. First he was young and he’s not Bundy or Dahner. Young people do stupid and horrid things.
The same god he detested and rejected and scribbled anti-religion speech about.
Young people do stupid things, yes. Like jumping from roofs, taking regrettable selfies, etc. Not mass murder.
The death penalty is coming for everyone who is resistant to the Gov. This is a small step to a landslide worldwide acceptance of the Beast SYSTEM. Revelation 13:16 KJV
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
that's the most sensible thing I ever heard DeSantis say....
Amen
Then you haven’t been listening very well
So you just got out of jail or something that kept you from reality?
You spelt "only" wrong.
I don't think it makes sense to kill the defendant, we need a justice system that tries to rehabilitate people, not punish them.
When we punished children who crossed the Mexican border by locking them in cages, that deterrent didn't have any effect on immigration, simply because punishments and deterrents don't work. The Death Penalty is a completely ineffective deterrent that honestly needs to go. Would you rather pay a little extra in taxes to kill defenseless people who surrendered in jail, or would you feel better being part of a system that tries to rehabilitate them?
People need to stop thinking about the criminals, backgrounds, upbringing, environment, and start thinking about the victims and the crime that was commited, the planning, the motivation and the intent..
don't get me wrong I think what happened was awful, i mean watching him in that hyper popular criminalpsychology video terrified me. however abuse is abuse. no matter who you are that's going to effect you and it effected this guy in a terrible way. I think he deserves nothing less then life in prison but not death
the planning the motivation and the intent are all things about the killer.... not the victims. Doh!
The problem here, is the justice system isn't just, it's corrupt, in yrs, I've seen criminals having better/ more Priveledges, than the victims themselves, but these jurors don't sometimes know even what really happen in some city, state, these cases r movedround somewhere else, an alot of these jurors have no CONCIENCE, compassion of these massacres?? They simply don't care? It didn't happen to me, well too bad, not my kid, my mother/father, brother, /sister?? So Why Should I Care? Or put too much emphasis in this case/...!! !! BUT Let It Happen to Them, DEEP ?? Where It HURTS, an let's see another reaction....??
I don’t believe Generalissimo DeSantis has a dog in that hunt!
Ron de santis really seems like a common sense guy. I'd normally side with a dem for presidential elections but I'd side with him if he ran. Fingers crossed. 🤞🤞
Oh pahlease. If you cared about the victims you would support common sense gun laws instead of lining your pockets with NRA money
I wished he said he will propose a reform to prevent that from happening in the future. A form that's tough on criminals
it was like that before and the Supreme Court found it unconstitutional. A jury determination of death recommendation must be unanimous.
Then he would have to address support to legally possess assault weapons and the elephant in the room---NRA.
He had no respect for life!
and he support the NRA hypocrite
How?
In a way he did get the death sentence. Death by time.
That's the first thing Desantis ever said that I agree with.
Must be your first time listening to him. He’s highly articulate & intelligent
@@wp8218 that's the scary part.
then you ain't listening to anything but sound bites
@@BlipBloop33 And yet here you are, brainwashed and believing everything the media spoon feeds you.
He said there is a hurricane in Florida, I guess either your a conspiracy theorist that believes Florida doesn’t exist or your a idiot.
Such elegant election speech.
Back in the day people would be executed for less
Convicts should have to help replace the roofs that the insurance companies are requiring be replaced. Replace death penalty with a life sentence of hard labor if guilty beyond reasonable doubt. That’s a real deterrent.
Right give them a way to escape or cost three times as much to guard them while they’re out. Plus it takes food off the tables of the roofers
A government that profits off the labor of prisoners is directly incentivized to throw more people in prison, guilty or otherwise.
@@Justmekpc Not to mention potential faulty work.
Pretty sure that thing the US Constitution prohibits that....
@@Ddub1083 No, sadly. The 13th Amendment that abolished slavery had an exception for prisoners. Matter of fact, that was one of the first kickstarts to the prison industrial complex, even before the war on crime. Even still, slave labor is still enormously unethical. What we should do is gear prison systems or Rehabilitation instead of just punishment. Finland did it. As a matter of fact, Finland has a prison museum to show how brutal and barbaric their prison system used to be. It looks exactly like our modern-day prisons.
This trial was a joke from start till end.
Just like the judge of this case was drama queen and I believe all jury members were like her as well.
It was open/shut case death
Anything involving death is open and shut
so you are willing to kill him instead of allowing him to live and regret his actions in jail for the rest of his life? Death is the easy way out.
Are we not pro life? Or only when you take the rights away from women?
An innocent baby is not the same thing as a mass murderer 🤦 how are you defending a man who killed 17 people
@@sqwarda5135 you’re delusional, if you claim to be pro life then you should live up to that with no exceptions.
Apparently no one has visited a penitentary. Deatth penalty to easy. Life is not good. never going out agsin and he is not going to be welcomed with open arms. work in a pen for a month as see how it works.
reform yes, get on it Gov
First he has to milk the outrage until after the election, everything he does is to benefit himself
I look at it like this: he will have 60 or 70 years to think about what he done. That is a harsher punishment than death. Also,the reason it took this long is because Covid came along and we are just now able to have juror's and people in the courtroom.
You fell for the covid scam lol
Tammy, tell that to the 20 parent of those murdered children… gotta be a liberal
We literally live amongst a bunch of NPC sheep. Thousands of ignorant, weak, fools.
He is going to get a girlfriend online now, You are aware of this right?
☝️ this right here is why I vote Democrat. Because somehow the right has turned into this.
Who cares what this traitor has to say?
I wish there is something that can be done to to overturn this jury .
Wait till trump takes over. He will destroy the whole system.
that would defeat the purpose... the jury system only works because it's all or nothing
You are undermining the jury because 3 of them gave a result that you didn't like. This reminds me SO much of the Kyle Rittenhouse trial when it comes to the jury. This is how America works. If we make exceptions then the wrongfully convicted can get executed before even having the opportunity to show their innocence. Nik had taken responsibility and there is undeniable proof that he did it. Those 3 jurors aren't the only people who gave Nik mercy in this country. I get the frustrations but whining about the outcome and getting angry at 3 jurors who followed their duty that didn't go your way is ridiculous.
If you start overturning juries our legal system collapses. Do you really want that, Shawna?
Is he making this about him?
He is 100% we need more people like him in government.
The death penalty is unconscionable, no matter what
I guess you would only really know if someone you loved was shot four times and then you had to wait four years for him to be sentenced as he laughs as his lawyer flips the bird and he gets what he wants and gets to live. Perspectives and thoughts change when it affects you deeply and it is clear you have never been challanged on this.
"this is not the way the system is supposed to work"..... UHMMMM it is actually exactly how the system is supposed to work. i do not agree with the sentence, but that is up to the jury that was selected not me and not desantis. period. This guy just gets it wrong over and over again.
You mean the sentence, not the verdict….for surely you don’t think Cruz is innocent?