I think the opponent is just one of these 1/2 players who automatically stacks off whenever they have AA regardless of the runout. Then when they get cracked he complains for the rest of the night about the bad beat.
It seemed a bit like the caller didn't understand much of Bart's pokerbabble :D Great fun watching and listening as always, this one was one of the most pleasant with much laughter, thanks!
In Florida $15 is a standard open at 1/2. Aside from the maniacs I’ve seen blind opening to $50, I’ve seen people open as high as $25 with no straddle or limps.
San Marcos Texas. On the river poker club. I've played there once. The game was exactly like he says. Frequent openings of 10-25x. A couple college age regs mopping up there.
This is going to sound a bit weird but after listening twice. I believe the caller was actually the villian with the AA and others confirmed what you told him before he called you.
I see stuff like this at 1/2 all the time. Recs will raise to normal sizes until they pick up a premium and then make a huge open to try to force everyone out of the pot pre. When that doesn't work they just keep blasting as if they are invincible and wind up losing it all. Then they complain about how they're super unlucky and never win with big pairs etc. etc. 😭
I play online tournaments in a club with quite a few aggressive players like the villain here. He is just going for Value with aces, not thinking of what is calling except thinking he has kings or queens on the hook and any other hand that might be beating him will be put to a tough decision
This was wild! I'm glad it worked out for our hero. But it does illustrate why I hate playing against true maniacs. It's so hard to hand read them. It makes me wonder what would have happened if caller had JJ or QQ. In this case the runout was so dirty maybe he gets away from those hands. Those also might be more likely to be raised by hero pre, but that could be even more trouble. Imagine it's heads up against this kind of maniac on this flop with QQ. The caller could easily have been stacked on this hand since villain did have AA.
He definitely thought he could get value from JJ/QQ maybe KK, K9/A9/J9 suited A smaller flush raises off on the turn, a set or two pair raise off on flop or turn, and the only 10 he gets there with is TT I don’t think I’d go for value there, but I definitely think villain was value betting and I don’t necessarily hate it
On the flop discussion, against this specific player type I really like just flat calling. The multiway dynamic changes things a bit, but if we're heads up I just want the crazy guy to put all the chips in with air. Assigning him a "reasonable range" (over pairs, flush draws, etc) seems like a mistake, he could just have 43 or K5 or A2. It's a tragedy if 72 folds to a min click when he would have piled all the chips in for us anyway.
Beginner here. Wouldn't betting big after the flop be a safe choice in order to chase away the flush draws behind you and to isolate the maniac? Thanks everyone!!
I just ignore crazy opponents unless I have the nuts. There is so much variance that it only takes one bad hand for you to think your top pair is good for an all-in just to get stacked by some ridiculous 2 pair.
I play great against normal players but struggle against very aggressive players that continually bet 1.5 or 2x pot. Would really like advice on how to play them without just waiting on getting the best hand.... help me Bart!
@@mrhumble2937i guess that’s sound if they’re the type of maniac who’ll back down as soon as they get any pushback. But some will just 3-bet shove over the top if you min-raise.
Idk man, J10 is way up there in aggro players range. When I’m running hot and splashing ramping up my momentum I’m going for heads with J10 in the cut or on the button. In LA card rooms I might go so far as to say that was not a profitable river call longterm in a splashy 💦 game like the caller claims it is. I’ve never played in Texas though so idk 🤷♂️
He was not betting the ten or five from the flop so it is either over pair flush or nothing..I would have called this too unless the river was another diamond then I would have probably folded in that case but not on this runout with the way the action went..
Post flop, and UTG bet, I thought the agro player likely had a high pocket pair, and it turns out hero could have shoved on the flop, and got a call. Personally, I would have either raised which would have instigated a 3 bet from UTG, or I would've shoved which would of been called. Either play, and all of the money would have been in pre turn which would have made it much easier on the hero's mindset! 😁😎👍✌🗽
Bart you advocate raising these flops but in 2023, a ton of players are simply folding to your raise when they bet pot with their overpairs and your raise screams you have it beat.
Uh, against competent players a raise there is pretty terrible. You're in position, there's virtually no reason to raise a pot size bet on the flop when you block a fuckload of the value range.
@@Jermo484It’s called an exploit… no 1/2 player is folding overpairs there. Like Bart said, minclick the flop and then get it in easily if he 3bets or on later streets.
also, even vs "competent", whatever you mean by this, it is very difficult to fold (btw "competent" wouldnt stab potsize, so much to you fallacy), for all the semibluff ranges etc. + turn brings way to many scare cards, pfr can easily fold on.
AGAINST THESE ----CALLING STATIONS----. YOU HAVE TO GO OLD SCHOOL. TRASH TALK THESE MOTHER EFFERS. GET IN TO THEIR HEAD. PHIL USES THAT ALL THE TIME. HE JUST BELITTLES YOU TELLING:YOU ARE AN AMATEUR AND A NOBODY. JUST WON ONE OR TWO HANDS AND YOU THINK YOU MADE IT!!! LATER HE GETS THEM. DEEP IN TO THE STACKK THEY SAYYYYYYY!!!
AGGRESSIVE BETTER THAN SLOW DEATH AKA SLOW TRAP POKER. AMERICAN OFFLINE POKER PLAYERS ARE NOTORIOUS LIMPERSSSSSSSS( I KID YOU NOT. BECAUSE IN AMERICA EVERYBODY THINKS HE OR SHE IS A GREAT POKER PLAYER). YOU HAVE TO BEAT THEM IN TOURNAMENTS. NOW YOU SEE PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD GETTING IN TO THEIR TEETH. I HAVE NOTICED ON SOME SITES LATELY. SLOW PLAY AND TRAPS GALORE!!!
HE IS NOT JUST CLICKING THE BUTTON. I JUST EXPLAINED HERE DOWN BELOW!!! HE IS A MOTHER EFFER WHALE( IF THAT IS WHAT THEY CALL). AND YOU ARE LUCKY THAT YOUR SET WON. ONE MORE ACE AND GAME OVER. THOUGH CHANCES OF 3RD ACE IS HARD!! ------------------- THERE ARE PLAYERS WHO WANNA TEST EVERY HAND AND SEE IF IT IS THE BEST TILL IT IS NOT. IT IS EXTREME FORM OF AGGRESSIVE POKER AND NOT FOR THE FAINTED HEART. THIS IS ORIGINATED IN THE MODERN INTERNET ERA!! THEY LOSE BUT ALSO WIN BIG!!
So nice to hear a caller that is humble yet funny at the same time. Just a delightful csll.
You forgot the "Im giving away 3 5% pieces of myself!" in the beginning lol
I don't think so. He probably has given away the pieces by now.
@@chrisko6439 I know I’m just being facetious
And CLP subscribers get extra chances to win
Who won?
I just want to give a hat tip to the thumbnail guy. Dude is puttin' in work and I respect the effort.
I think the opponent is just one of these 1/2 players who automatically stacks off whenever they have AA regardless of the runout. Then when they get cracked he complains for the rest of the night about the bad beat.
It seemed a bit like the caller didn't understand much of Bart's pokerbabble :D
Great fun watching and listening as always, this one was one of the most pleasant with much laughter, thanks!
one of the most wholesome callers in the history of CLP
In Florida $15 is a standard open at 1/2. Aside from the maniacs I’ve seen blind opening to $50, I’ve seen people open as high as $25 with no straddle or limps.
Same in South Carolina.
San Marcos Texas. On the river poker club. I've played there once. The game was exactly like he says. Frequent openings of 10-25x. A couple college age regs mopping up there.
Do you know of any games in new Braunfels
This is going to sound a bit weird but after listening twice. I believe the caller was actually the villian with the AA and others confirmed what you told him before he called you.
16x to avoid getting cracked but it still happens and gets stacked 😂
I see stuff like this at 1/2 all the time. Recs will raise to normal sizes until they pick up a premium and then make a huge open to try to force everyone out of the pot pre. When that doesn't work they just keep blasting as if they are invincible and wind up losing it all. Then they complain about how they're super unlucky and never win with big pairs etc. etc. 😭
People have trouble checking when the pot starts getting bigger
I see people at 1/2 shove all in with aces when there's $3 in the pot lol
it is not avoiding getting cracked it’s just playing an effective shorter stack in their comfort zone most of the times
@@sneakkyz3696 I had one person shoving all in with QQ into my AA.
I play online tournaments in a club with quite a few aggressive players like the villain here.
He is just going for Value with aces, not thinking of what is calling except thinking he has kings or queens on the hook and any other hand that might be beating him will be put to a tough decision
I'm at 5:25 and I think it's a set 9s over set 3s. 33 openraise screams like 33
Was thinking same thing lmao. $33 for pocket 33. 😆
it's $1/2...what do you expect? Some sound logic behind crazy play?
The villian was obviously trying to give value on the river. 😂
Doug Polk advocates for raising sets on the flop. There's a good reason for it. Most cards are scare cards for your opponent
wow that seemed so transparent yet an understandably difficult spot
This was wild! I'm glad it worked out for our hero. But it does illustrate why I hate playing against true maniacs. It's so hard to hand read them. It makes me wonder what would have happened if caller had JJ or QQ. In this case the runout was so dirty maybe he gets away from those hands. Those also might be more likely to be raised by hero pre, but that could be even more trouble. Imagine it's heads up against this kind of maniac on this flop with QQ. The caller could easily have been stacked on this hand since villain did have AA.
How do we email into the show an interesting hand that may be good to discuss?
Thumb nail game getting much better Bart
San Marcos, TX is the city between Austin and San Antonio. The river is likely the card room’s name
Credit to the villain for raising 16x w AA if he has previously done so with garbage.
Bart's thumbnail game has leveled up...
I figure the villain thinks Roger has to have JJ, QQ, Kk, AK, AQ. Not much else(in his mind) is calling a 33 bet. So he figures he's good
He definitely thought he could get value from JJ/QQ maybe KK, K9/A9/J9 suited
A smaller flush raises off on the turn, a set or two pair raise off on flop or turn, and the only 10 he gets there with is TT
I don’t think I’d go for value there, but I definitely think villain was value betting and I don’t necessarily hate it
On the flop discussion, against this specific player type I really like just flat calling. The multiway dynamic changes things a bit, but if we're heads up I just want the crazy guy to put all the chips in with air. Assigning him a "reasonable range" (over pairs, flush draws, etc) seems like a mistake, he could just have 43 or K5 or A2. It's a tragedy if 72 folds to a min click when he would have piled all the chips in for us anyway.
Agreed. Having a Cpt Blastoff fold to a min click is Heart Breaking. Especially on the flop.
Slow playing big hands only really works out for me if I can make it look like a bluff on the river.
Man that would be a super tough call for me. I'm also a bad nit though.
Bart's expression when he says I just decided to flat pre with 7 players left to act
Beginner here.
Wouldn't betting big after the flop be a safe choice in order to chase away the flush draws behind you and to isolate the maniac? Thanks everyone!!
Very good call, I would have jammed on the turn but fold on the river
It’s always hilarious listening to these guys try to determine what the villain was thinking. Have you ever seen these people, they don’t think ever
I just ignore crazy opponents unless I have the nuts. There is so much variance that it only takes one bad hand for you to think your top pair is good for an all-in just to get stacked by some ridiculous 2 pair.
The largest open I ever faced was 40 from UTG in a 2/2 game. Just 300 eff tho, I folded QQ😊
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I play great against normal players but struggle against very aggressive players that continually bet 1.5 or 2x pot. Would really like advice on how to play them without just waiting on getting the best hand.... help me Bart!
I just throw in random min raises with air. It works a lot.
@@mrhumble2937i guess that’s sound if they’re the type of maniac who’ll back down as soon as they get any pushback.
But some will just 3-bet shove over the top if you min-raise.
3bet them preflop a lot. Their range will collapse. Take the betting lead.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj if they have nothing, widen your range. If they only do that with good hands, tighten your range
Idk man, J10 is way up there in aggro players range. When I’m running hot and splashing ramping up my momentum I’m going for heads with J10 in the cut or on the button. In LA card rooms I might go so far as to say that was not a profitable river call longterm in a splashy 💦 game like the caller claims it is. I’ve never played in Texas though so idk 🤷♂️
He was not betting the ten or five from the flop so it is either over pair flush or nothing..I would have called this too unless the river was another diamond then I would have probably folded in that case but not on this runout with the way the action went..
Villian was in shut up and take my money mode...
Safe to say every casino have one of these dudes who makes it 15x+ with aces or kings because they don't want to get cracked.
Maybe a slight overlay by the villain. Inadvertently value owned himself for no reason lol
I play 5/10 in AZ I bet 30 and others hardly ever bet more than 50.
I think V was betting for value on the river.
I'm thinking villain was just betting his over pair for what he thought was value cause he had the diamond
you gave him too much credit.
If you slow play all sets we know you don’t have a set when you bluff on 3 streets
Hehe. 4 ways to the flop? That’s called Texas heads up
Post flop, and UTG bet, I thought the agro player likely had a high pocket pair, and it turns out hero could have shoved on the flop, and got a call. Personally, I would have either raised which would have instigated a 3 bet from UTG, or I would've shoved which would of been called. Either play, and all of the money would have been in pre turn which would have made it much easier on the hero's mindset! 😁😎👍✌🗽
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Bart you advocate raising these flops but in 2023, a ton of players are simply folding to your raise when they bet pot with their overpairs and your raise screams you have it beat.
Shit lol. 1/3 games around here play bigger than 2/5. No one is folding to a 5x raise pre flop. That’s just a sweetner
You gotta snap call this i think. He's got an ace high flush or nothing and I'm betting on nothing.
why would you ever not raise flop. poker aint dead
Uh, against competent players a raise there is pretty terrible. You're in position, there's virtually no reason to raise a pot size bet on the flop when you block a fuckload of the value range.
@@Jermo484It’s called an exploit… no 1/2 player is folding overpairs there. Like Bart said, minclick the flop and then get it in easily if he 3bets or on later streets.
@@Jermo484the point of the video is they aren’t “competent players”
also, even vs "competent", whatever you mean by this, it is very difficult to fold (btw "competent" wouldnt stab potsize, so much to you fallacy), for all the semibluff ranges etc. + turn brings way to many scare cards, pfr can easily fold on.
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If he beats you with aces after max betting the villain gets max value. Nothing makea any sense here, all contradictions...
I must be playing checkers while y'all are playing chess. I raise to $400 - $450 on the flop and hope I never see the 7d hit the board.
flatting the HJ is a fish play. No other way around it.
Cool story. Has nothing to do with the call. The villain was UTG and the hero was UTG+1.
AGAINST THESE ----CALLING STATIONS----. YOU HAVE TO GO OLD SCHOOL. TRASH TALK THESE MOTHER EFFERS. GET IN TO THEIR HEAD.
PHIL USES THAT ALL THE TIME. HE JUST BELITTLES YOU TELLING:YOU ARE AN AMATEUR AND A NOBODY. JUST WON ONE OR TWO HANDS AND YOU THINK YOU MADE IT!!!
LATER HE GETS THEM. DEEP IN TO THE STACKK THEY SAYYYYYYY!!!
AGGRESSIVE BETTER THAN SLOW DEATH AKA SLOW TRAP POKER. AMERICAN OFFLINE POKER PLAYERS ARE NOTORIOUS LIMPERSSSSSSSS( I KID YOU NOT. BECAUSE IN AMERICA EVERYBODY THINKS HE OR SHE IS A GREAT POKER PLAYER).
YOU HAVE TO BEAT THEM IN TOURNAMENTS. NOW YOU SEE PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD GETTING IN TO THEIR TEETH.
I HAVE NOTICED ON SOME SITES LATELY. SLOW PLAY AND TRAPS GALORE!!!
HE IS NOT JUST CLICKING THE BUTTON. I JUST EXPLAINED HERE DOWN BELOW!!! HE IS A MOTHER EFFER WHALE( IF THAT IS WHAT THEY CALL). AND YOU ARE LUCKY THAT YOUR SET WON. ONE MORE ACE AND GAME OVER. THOUGH CHANCES OF 3RD ACE IS HARD!!
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THERE ARE PLAYERS WHO WANNA TEST EVERY HAND AND SEE IF IT IS THE BEST TILL IT IS NOT. IT IS EXTREME FORM OF AGGRESSIVE POKER AND NOT FOR THE FAINTED HEART.
THIS IS ORIGINATED IN THE MODERN INTERNET ERA!! THEY LOSE BUT ALSO WIN BIG!!
HE COUNTS IT OUT IN FRONT OF YOU...THATS A TELL...