There was a character in early versions of The Incredibles who flew that jet. His scratch dialogue was performed by our purchasing agent at Pixar, DJ Jennings, who had been an Air Traffic Controller in an earlier life. That's why the lingo is correct. The story changed and Helen got to fly the plane herself.
@Mal Mort yeah actually sorry for calling your comment non logical, i guess you have a point. But I respect the woman who volunteered. But you do have a point about all the equality stuff.
She was a guest speaker at my school last year, amazing woman, very good at what she did and what she does now. She showed all the girls that they can be fighter pilots too, and really explained the way she got to fly. If i ever get a chance to hear her speak again ill definitely take it.
Holly Hunter did a great job voice acting that scene in Incredibles, her tangible sense of parental panic when her children are being threatened was so well portrayed. She's trying to remain calm and professional but someone is going to kill her babies and she's on the ragged edge of losing it. So well done.
On another fighter pilot reaction someone said in regards to the heat seeking missiles: "Those missiles are not rabid dogs. They will not chase you to kingdom come." I had to laugh so hard 🤣😂
The term for a missile who has it's own ability to track a target independently of the launch platform is called "going pitbull" so it would be at least colloquially accurate.
6:43 India Golf Niner Niner stands for Iron Giant 1999, as in The Iron Giant, written and directed by the same writer/director as The Incredibles, came out in 1999.
This is an absolutely fabulous breakdown! She obviously has the goods to back up all of her comments and observations. Thanks for sharing the scoop Christine!
@@harkosenmatti4781 what? I didnt hear that part. All i know is she works for Lockheed so im positive she knows more about what shes talking about than you babydoll.
This is so great, I spent 22yrs. in the Air Force as a maintenance officer/engineer on the F-15, F-16, and F-22. I had several back seat rides and spent a lot of time and effort around fighter pilots. "Grinder" is a hero of mine and listening to her in this piece is so cool. BTW, I have two daughters, one of which is a maintenance officer on F-35s.
Oh my gosh, I knew I recognized her! I was Aircrew Life Support for the 333rd FS at SJAFB. She was always so nice...and I remember all my male co workers had a crush on her. 😆
That is very cool. I often look at these videos to see if I recognize someone in them. But, she made me feel really old. I was in my senior year of HS when TG came out, and joined the Navy in 90.
My dad was an aircraft engineer during WW2. He said one day a returnng pilot, a Polish fellah, called him over and said to check the air-intake in the undercarriage of his Hurricane as he'd done a spot of low flying. When dad had a look it was full of cabbages!
Literally every single person who saw Top Gun in 1986 wanted to be a fighter pilot (including my brother and me). I'm now a patent attorney with zero military experience. My brother washed out of Airborne when he injured his ankle on a jump. He's now an ER doctor. The fact that Grinder actually found her way not just into a cockpit, but into fighter aircraft (especially since women couldn't even fly combat aircraft until the 90s) means that she's something special.
I absolutely love she just straight-up admitted "yeah Top Gun made me wanna be a fighter pilot" and I just gotta respect that. Love it, very good vid, can't wait for more Technique Critique!
3:53 Thank you! In almost every single modern film, we see 1940s pilots simply opting out to wear their masks attached. Maybe it's a creative liberty to show the actor's face, I don't know. But it is terribly unrealistic.
Sure in unpressurized cabins (circa ww2) although I disagree with her blanket statement. We put our masks down all the time and can still communicate (pressurized cockpit)
@@pilot4sale I reckon the noise in a wartime Spitfire with a huge V-12 sitting in front of you with essentially straight pipes coming off each header might be slightly louder than a turbine engine.
Having a radar warning receiver seems like an awesome idea. Until you become a crew member on a C-130... At which point you start to wonder if you really want to know..
I am a huge proponent of women in the military, anyone against the practice is a chauvinist. No TDLN will be disclosed: My squad had our butts pulled out of a jam by a female A10 driver and wing out of Bagram one afternoon. The driver was as cool as a cucumber while she made her runs and went into the fight without hesitation. They also stuck around to make sure that we were clear and underway before they RTB. Were it not for her, and her wing's actions that day we most likely would not have made it out in one piece. Massive props. I recently found out that this same driver now flies F-35's.
You must be talking about combat roles and not the military as a whole. If they can do the job, that is GREAT, but undoubtedly the military will make it so that standards will be lowered and the military will soften the environment and that is unacceptable. If not, then AWESOME. Badass Fighter pilots, EOD techs, certain combat arms MOS's are one thing, but special operations are not just bravery and skill but another thing - because that pushing past your limits in such physical and mental struggle is also teamwork strengthened and fueled by brotherhood and most women don't want that despite liberals pushing for it.
@@TacComControl Nice to know you have respect for military servicemen who risk their lives driving across IED infested roads 😂. A lot of young kids join and go into the most intense environments. Yes immaturity and using humor is definitely visible for some people, but if that's where your issue is rather than seeing the success of our military... I dont know, bud 🤷♂️😂🤣 No one is saying no woman should ever be in a combat or in an aviator's role because it is beyond obvious some have, its just that the standards are made to keep up with the standards of war and should be the same for everyone who wants to perform that same job. Unfortunately, the military has surprised us and shown how willing it is to opposing equal opportunity in favor of equal outcome.
I too love Too Gun when it came out and I was in 6th grade. However, once I became a naval aviator, I flew F14 and F18. I realized how unreal Top Gun was. But thanks to Hollywood, the navy tricked me into serving a good career as a naval aviator. Now I just fly a big 777 bus. Missed those days sitting in the front seat of my Tomcat.
Jump into DCS World, and get yourself a F-14B! It is my second favorite aircraft behind the F-4. I am very envious you got to fly the Tomcat, it is a beautiful plane. Thanks for your service!
I feel like most of the military, especially the high skill jobs involve some level of "and that's how hollywood tricked me into joining the military..."
@@michag4337 A lot of the aircraft maintenance career fields, when I was in, have "glamorous" sounding titles. Who would not want to be a "Tactical Aircraft Maintenance Specialist"? Until you find out that most of your day is spent kicking tires and pumping gas. Nothing but love for you, Crew Chief 😀
In this video: Calm, confident and friendly. Gives us her insight on movies In real life: Calm, confident and deadly. Controls one of the most complicated and effective weapons on earth and goes by the name "Grinder". Thank you for your service, Ma'am!
Christine Mau did wonderful commentary. I was one of the co-creators of the History Channel series DogFights and would loved to have had her doing commentary on the series.
I was just going to reference dogfights lol .. no way would i ever question her, but when she said se wouldn't recommend going vertical, i was going to say she must mean now because i have seen every DogFights episode and Japanese pilots used that a lot against the wild cat and even in Korea and Vietnam it was used depending on the aircraft .. excellent series
My foster father flew F-16's when the nick name Long Dart was coined. Before he became my foster father he was my J.R.O.T.C. instructor. Every first year class had to watch Top Gun, it was, in his opinion, the most realistic representation of fighter aircraft in the movies. As she mentions, you never take your mask off, but most movies DO tend to disregard this. I love all of the critiques she gives on every movie. Reminds me of what he did in class to debunk how the movies show flight.
One is given their callsign by others and it's typically a play on ones name or a personality trait for example. It can also be as a result of having dome something notable/memorable, be it good or not so good. Therefore, knowing the story behind ones callsign is often amusing.
More often than not, callsigns are due to some embarrassing action. 'Free Willy' might be self explanatory, but 'Lamb' might not be so straightforward. The rules I've heard is that your fellow pilots assign you the name, and you probably won't like it.
@@cassiespencer6134 When I was in the Royal Canadian Air Cadets (similar to the Civil Air Patrol), one of my squadron mates who got his glider license on a scholarship course got the "callsign" Two Bags, because he puked twice on his first glider flight on the course XD
Steve Day I actually found battle of britain super boring and Dunkirk super thrilling tbh. But it was really cool how many real planes they used in BoB
I'm surprised she didn't know what coffin corner meant. Coffin corner is a term used to describe a condition at high altitude when the maximum speed (limited by the spreading of supersonic shock waves) and the minimum (limited by amount of air passing over the wing) are nearly the same. This has caused cases where the airplane could not fly faster due to the high-speed limit or much slower due to the low-speed limit, making it difficult to control during turbulence or when descending. One extreme example of the coffin corner is the U-2 - the difference between the famed spy plane’s high-speed limit vs. low-speed limits is quite narrow at the extreme altitudes of 60,000 feet or more. It is a very challenging airplane to fly because of the small acceptable airspeed window.
Loved this episode Wired! Christine "Grinder" Mau is amazing (and super cool!) her explanations of all the aeronautics manoeuvres and in the most professional and tactful way crushing all the movie directors and the writers’ script errors. I could sit and listen to Grinder explaining all such things the whole day! I don't know if she has kids yet, but she would make the coolest mom ever!
“Coffin corner” is something you’d think more of in a plane like a U2 or an SR-71 where you’d be at extreme altitudes. If you make a plot of an airplane’s stall speed against its critical Mach number (speed above which the plane may break up under aerodynamic stress, sort of like Vne), the stall speed will increase while critical Mach will decrease such that at a certain altitude, they will intersect. This is the called the coffin corner because it very dangerous to operate your plane there, where flying a little faster will break your plane apart, and a little slower will cause a stall, which could cause your plane’s nose to drop or even enter a spin where, because you are so close to critical Mach speed, could also break up your plane.
This is why I started going through the comments, I had a very basic understanding of coffin corner. I thought I had read something about this during the Pearlan II 76,000ft record flights, but going back now, I can't find it. Very interesting though!
That's what I thought they were referring to as well. I've heard U2 and SR-71 pilots talk about how at those extreme altitudes the planes are almost impossible to fly, and it is possible to find a situation where there simply isn't enough air to keep them aerodynamically stable. I'm not sure about the part where the plane will break down under aerodynamic stress, because the higher you go, and the thinner the air, the less stress the airframe would be subjected to.
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Thank you ma’am. I was a plane captain (not an actual captain) for F/A-18A fighter jets. It’s always nice to continue to gain knowledge in the military aviation field.
Top Gun is a bad cheesy movie scriptwise, but it's a classic and it's got to be one of the best, if not the best depiction of fighter aircraft flying in film history, both technically and artistically. The shots of planes flying are just amazing and beautiful, the choreography, the stunts, the photography, the music, and of course with the now retired F-14, all that with no CGI. It's a timeless classic that looks like a modern film, to think it was released almost 40 years ago makes it even more spectacular.
11:00 she says that fight and attack at 50 feets over the ground is unrealistic. Tell that to the Argentinians pilots of the Malvinas. "If you are in a war against Argentina and you hear the noise of the turbines of an airplane ... do not look at the sky ... because death comes at ground level"
For the fighter lady: In commercial or subsonic aircraft "coffin corner" references an altitude where either increasing or decreasing your airspeed, you'll stall, so you must be always below that altitude.
@@markclawrie007 Prop-planes and Jets(Especially Military) are basically different-planets at this point so it isn't that surprising. It's almost like comparing fixed- to rotary-wing aviation.
“Grinder” Great breakdown o these movies, you killed me w/ "I think I was in 4th grade..." I was an 3rd yr AFROTC in college when TopGun came out.... I agree, being an Eagle Driver was some of best times of my life... RTB killed me because I probably would have lost my wings because I might/would have shot that MIG after shooting down my element, or clean shot before reaching Seoul. Command in that movie was nonsensical.. As a former Ego Driver, you don't shoot down my wingman and LIVE!!! p.s. I enjoyed watching F-15's Tokyo drift around buildings🤣🤣🤣
ua-cam.com/video/Kq51XkCDBb8/v-deo.html - Mover Ruins Movies covered Return to Base. (He's a former F-16 / F-18 driver). He said the same thing: "dude's blowing up your city: shoot him." And yeah, earlier than that he was saying the guy's obviously hostile, they should be shooting him *before* he gets to a major city. UA-cam comments there said something about the filmmakers maybe trying to make a political point about the US being in control of command decisions for the South Korean military. So apparently command being idiots and not authorizing shootdown of the hostile was something the movie was doing on purpose. But exaggerating to the point of nonsense it seemed.
I was at a scenic turnout in Death Valley when a fighter flew through the canyon. I can totally understand the kids in that clip covering their ears; that thing was LOUD! On another trip through DV, a fighter flew overhead so close that I could see the pilot, and they did the wing wave thing at me!
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She is kind of forgetting that Aerial Warfare used to be much different in WW2 , Hammerhead manouvers where much more effective as most combatants where much more inexperienced, the Bf109 and Spitfires where very different planes and engagement heights, speed and distances where totally incomparible to modern dogfights
@@Kimjongil-pu6rk No he has a point, many WW2 aces were known to prefer stall fights. One in particular was a japanese zero pilot which would get pretty much all his kills by stalling out US fighters and going for a hammerhead. Untill one day a young pilot which was given a improved aircraft as they usally had simply catched him. It is certainly a do or die maneuver, but indeed also many nations had hopefully undertrained inexperienced pilots later in the war falling for such things.
@@Kimjongil-pu6rk By the end of the war, the Luftwaffe and Japan has barely any experienced pilots left, with new pilots being sent to the front lines with barely 40 hours of flight time under their belt (for comparison, I got my PPL at 72h in 3 months, and just got my CPL at 268h 3 years later).
Miss Christine AKA Grinder, I just stumbled upon this page, And i just wanted to say thank you for you years of service You are an Incredible woman pilot and an Inspiration Respectfully yours Matt Pryor
Wait. With this video she taught you so much about physics that you can't even digest it? What'd she teach you?! That fighter jets can't turn easily? That there is an altitude ceiling? That Earth's gravity has a strong effect on planes flying straight up? That close to the ground at super sonic speeds the "time to die" can be super short? It was a very interesting and fascinating breakdown video, but I didn't see a lot of advanced physics in it. 😂
@@hylianchriss - Pointing out the *consequences* of simple physics in a given situation can be very helpful to novices in really understanding it, and how what they learned in school can apply to real life. A lot of people have trouble seeing how to describe real situations with equations they learned in school, despite that being the one thing that makes physics and math truly useful :P
I especially like how in Return to Base, every time they are turning, they've got their afterburners on. Afterburner = more thrust = larger turn radius. So literally the opposite of what you'd want to be doing in a turn. But hey, LOOKATTHECOOLFLAMES!!!
@@mummeliini123 Just for fun, I could argue: 1-this is a fictional aircraft, which may or may not match up to any real design 2-it's a superhero movie, so it may have "non-standard" equipment that civilian aircraft don't usually carry.
4:02 Correction: in WWII, they used a throat mic, not a modern day mic in the mask. Further, at low altitude, as depicted, they might well have the mask off because they don't need the oxygen and it's already hot and stuffy enough in a cockpit with no air conditioning that mask off could be cooler and allow easier breathing. 9:21 Correction: The correct correction is that Maverick is not going for a radar lock, but that he is going for an IR lock, as the close range infra red missile requires its own lock, regardless of what the radar may or may not be locked onto. 11:09 Very unlikely, but not totally unrealistic: ua-cam.com/video/E7ZzGzoX5U8/v-deo.html
Great to hear an actual fighter pilot critique these movies! I've always suspected the theatrics in movies was overblown! Coregeous people who pilot fighter jets! 🙂
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There was a character in early versions of The Incredibles who flew that jet. His scratch dialogue was performed by our purchasing agent at Pixar, DJ Jennings, who had been an Air Traffic Controller in an earlier life. That's why the lingo is correct. The story changed and Helen got to fly the plane herself.
These are the gems I search the UA-cam comments for.
Great to know thanks.
The pilot's name was Snug Porter.
@@queenentp5w68 oh copyright problem with that name. Snug make pillows and quilts lol.
Your so brilliant! Lol
Imagine casually being able to say you used to fly strike eagles. Mad respect.
@Mal Mort I dont see any logic in that... isnt women who VOLUNTEER instead of being drafted even MORE braver? Please explain your non logical comment.
@Mal Mort yeah actually sorry for calling your comment non logical, i guess you have a point. But I respect the woman who volunteered. But you do have a point about all the equality stuff.
@@pigeonbardum9628 don't apologize, you had it right in the first response
@@idrisnewton4552 oh ok
@@pigeonbardum9628 hahaha youre so sweet
Her love for Top Gun is awesome, let’s face it there must be so many real pilots that were inspired by that movie..
The U.S. Navy provided all of the assistance they could on Top Gun, knowing what a powerful recruiting tool it would be.
I had the same dream when I first saw that movie :)
excellent flight scenes garbage movie
@@BrightBlueJim Numbers in recruiting offices hiked after '86
When Grinder was a SAM Aggressor at Nellis, Top Gun was used in some of our instructional classes. She is a great person and a good boss!
She was a guest speaker at my school last year, amazing woman, very good at what she did and what she does now. She showed all the girls that they can be fighter pilots too, and really explained the way she got to fly. If i ever get a chance to hear her speak again ill definitely take it.
@@tzackaria7 you are such a moron it’s laughable.
@@tzackaria7 and how do YOU know that ? Did you have the training are is your experience with planes the ones you got for your 6th anniversary?
@@tzackaria7 lol stupidest thing i've read on the internet today. Congrats
Guys stop replying to the troll and just report them for hate speech.
@@tzackaria7 there's some truth here.
"Civilian aircraft don't have afterburner"
Laughs in Concorde
Good man! I just said it too, still the only civilian aircraft to have them. RIP Concorde (1967-2003)
Considering that they are grounded forever...I still think it holds true.
Laughs in Garrett Falcon 20
@@dsdy1205 beat me to it
that ain't no Concorde though
"I used to fly Strike Eagles so that made me a little sad."
Awww. Also props. Strike Eagles are badass.
having seen her react to R2B, it was gold. And yeah, F-15E/K ftw!!
They don't Tokyo drift lol Japanese haha
She has tons of lil funny cut scenes in her videos that take hours and hours to collect the perfect ones.
@@davidmathes6730 8 8 8
As a person who works closely to Aircraft, seeing a bird go down is never easy.
So the most accurate movie, The Incredibles lol
Yup!
Yes 🤣
Afterburner civilian plane. Yay.
@@aaronseet2738 To be fair, it was probably some secret military aircraft. I figure that due to the RWR and the like.
I believe there was a deleted scene that stated it was a custom aircraft an old friend of hers had built for her to use in her superhero career.
When an animated movie makes more sense and is more realistic than a Michael Bay movie.
Implying that Micheal Bay movies aren’t basically animated movies at this point....
@@nedthomas6563 Michael Bay movies use more cgi than Avatar.
I don't watch Michael Bay movies but this ERB is the best thoughts of MB...
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Michael Bay movies make zero sense.
@@vikj1255 I know, you know... Watching his movies only kills brain cells, & gives you hearing loss... He's just in it for the 'mf'n' money...
Holly Hunter did a great job voice acting that scene in Incredibles, her tangible sense of parental panic when her children are being threatened was so well portrayed. She's trying to remain calm and professional but someone is going to kill her babies and she's on the ragged edge of losing it. So well done.
I spent twenty years in the Air Force as an aircraft engine mechanic. Much respect Christine, Salute.
On another fighter pilot reaction someone said in regards to the heat seeking missiles: "Those missiles are not rabid dogs. They will not chase you to kingdom come."
I had to laugh so hard 🤣😂
Yeah, and they also travel at like Mach 3+, so they’d catch the plane very quickly.
The term for a missile who has it's own ability to track a target independently of the launch platform is called "going pitbull" so it would be at least colloquially accurate.
@@dampsok That's called "mad dog". "Pitbull" is when the aircraft tells the missile to track which target.
@@DoggoWillink Yeah it won't make sense for a missile to speed up to just get up behind an aircraft and then slow down to match the aircraft's speed.
They'll just send you there.
Helen's callsign of IG99 was a reference to Brad Bird's first film, The Iron Giant, released in '99.
Seeing the Iron Giant in Ready Player One was epic!
@@queenentp5w68 what about the RX-78 Gundam? So was that!
mad, thanks for that!
Whoa!
Woah, nice trivia tidbit! Isn't Iron Giant also Vin Diesel's first film as well? I still swear Tim Allen does the voice of the FBI agent.......
This lady is awesome and her explanations of these scenes are awesome. Great job grinder
A gem
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She is really ugly
@@il-2forsale57 u probably look like a toad in real life . Also her looks aren't important her information provided by her is
@il-2 for sale lmao, “sisk my legs”??? Shut your dumbass up
I love how she thoroughly enjoys watching the incredible bit.
"I used to fly Strike Eagles..." you just became my new favorite lady
6:43 India Golf Niner Niner stands for Iron Giant 1999, as in The Iron Giant, written and directed by the same writer/director as The Incredibles, came out in 1999.
I was wondering about that.
"She's able to maneuver this airplane like no commercial jet I've ever seen" - said with almost a straight face - had me rolling.
That's not a commercial plane.
This is an absolutely fabulous breakdown! She obviously has the goods to back up all of her comments and observations. Thanks for sharing the scoop Christine!
She certainly has the goods . . .
@@LuchadorMasque check her background meaning she got the Clout to back it all up shes legit
@@SavageBunnyGetMoney pretty sure Kyle is just making an attempt at a sexist, lewd joke
Well she didn't know that Fox 2 missile doesnt give a warning. Like wtf😂
@@harkosenmatti4781 what? I didnt hear that part. All i know is she works for Lockheed so im positive she knows more about what shes talking about than you babydoll.
This is so great, I spent 22yrs. in the Air Force as a maintenance officer/engineer on the F-15, F-16, and F-22. I had several back seat rides and spent a lot of time and effort around fighter pilots. "Grinder" is a hero of mine and listening to her in this piece is so cool. BTW, I have two daughters, one of which is a maintenance officer on F-35s.
Oh my gosh, I knew I recognized her! I was Aircrew Life Support for the 333rd FS at SJAFB. She was always so nice...and I remember all my male co workers had a crush on her. 😆
That is very cool. I often look at these videos to see if I recognize someone in them. But, she made me feel really old. I was in my senior year of HS when TG came out, and joined the Navy in 90.
Yeah, she's hot. Hubba hubba :-)
Hello fellow veteran, unfortunately I was never stationed on a fighter base-only the usual transport planes C130, C-17, KC10, KC135s
Did she have all them face twitches and other things going on with the face ?
A female fighter pilot? Uh yes please.
The music in Top Gun elevates the movie above all the others.
What about the dogfight scenes with no cgi crap
@@splytlyckety Dunkirk doesn't have CGI either, also, RIOs in Top Gun are pretty much high speed cheerleaders
anytime I’m driving to San Diego, I have to play “Danger Zone” when I’m near Mirimar😎
@@splytlyckety But with trainer aircraft that are called MiGs 🤣
@@txm100 they are not training aircraft those are f5e tiger
My dad was an aircraft engineer during WW2. He said one day a returnng pilot, a Polish fellah, called him over and said to check the air-intake in the undercarriage of his Hurricane as he'd done a spot of low flying. When dad had a look it was full of cabbages!
lol I love it, but that was certainly a bit of exaggeration right?
I smell bs
Bruh, great story
@@dirtypure2023 maybe the guy was pranking my dad, who knows! Funny story though!
How apt!
I love the way she carries herself, confident and certain. All the necessary traits of an amazing Aviator.
Literally every single person who saw Top Gun in 1986 wanted to be a fighter pilot (including my brother and me). I'm now a patent attorney with zero military experience. My brother washed out of Airborne when he injured his ankle on a jump. He's now an ER doctor. The fact that Grinder actually found her way not just into a cockpit, but into fighter aircraft (especially since women couldn't even fly combat aircraft until the 90s) means that she's something special.
Aww, I love the big grin on her face while she is watching The Incredibles.
We all know that pilot stuff is the side story in top gun
I absolutely love she just straight-up admitted "yeah Top Gun made me wanna be a fighter pilot" and I just gotta respect that. Love it, very good vid, can't wait for more Technique Critique!
That would have only been embarrassing had shot not made pilot.
3:53 Thank you! In almost every single modern film, we see 1940s pilots simply opting out to wear their masks attached. Maybe it's a creative liberty to show the actor's face, I don't know. But it is terribly unrealistic.
Sure in unpressurized cabins (circa ww2) although I disagree with her blanket statement. We put our masks down all the time and can still communicate (pressurized cockpit)
Yep so unrealistic, I guess that why they are called Movies
@@pilot4sale what do you fly?
@@shepherdlavellen3301 T6 instructor. About as close as you can get to a ww2 fighter design with a jet engine and pressurized cockpit
@@pilot4sale I reckon the noise in a wartime Spitfire with a huge V-12 sitting in front of you with essentially straight pipes coming off each header might be slightly louder than a turbine engine.
Dunkirk's aviation is spot on. In fact that movie at times is so realistic that it becomes too much and can be a bit drab.
But I did like it.
Christine Mau: "I used to fly strike eagles."
Me: How much time did you spend at Luke?
Having a radar warning receiver seems like an awesome idea. Until you become a crew member on a C-130... At which point you start to wonder if you really want to know..
If you're the crew chief and have some Reynolds wrap and signal flares, it might be worth it to hang out the ramp... Totally get the sentiment though!
I am a huge proponent of women in the military, anyone against the practice is a chauvinist.
No TDLN will be disclosed:
My squad had our butts pulled out of a jam by a female A10 driver and wing out of Bagram one afternoon. The driver was as cool as a cucumber while she made her runs and went into the fight without hesitation. They also stuck around to make sure that we were clear and underway before they RTB. Were it not for her, and her wing's actions that day we most likely would not have made it out in one piece. Massive props.
I recently found out that this same driver now flies F-35's.
Thats so awesome a female a10 pilot jeeesus take my money
You must be talking about combat roles and not the military as a whole. If they can do the job, that is GREAT, but undoubtedly the military will make it so that standards will be lowered and the military will soften the environment and that is unacceptable. If not, then AWESOME. Badass Fighter pilots, EOD techs, certain combat arms MOS's are one thing, but special operations are not just bravery and skill but another thing - because that pushing past your limits in such physical and mental struggle is also teamwork strengthened and fueled by brotherhood and most women don't want that despite liberals pushing for it.
@@salvatoretessio4932 they put them where they excell, just like everyone else. Don't be an armchair douchebag.
Chauvanists: "YOU CAN'T HAVE WOMEN FLYING PLANES IN THE MILITARY!!!"
That driver: "Haha warthog go brrr"
@@TacComControl Nice to know you have respect for military servicemen who risk their lives driving across IED infested roads 😂. A lot of young kids join and go into the most intense environments. Yes immaturity and using humor is definitely visible for some people, but if that's where your issue is rather than seeing the success of our military... I dont know, bud 🤷♂️😂🤣 No one is saying no woman should ever be in a combat or in an aviator's role because it is beyond obvious some have, its just that the standards are made to keep up with the standards of war and should be the same for everyone who wants to perform that same job. Unfortunately, the military has surprised us and shown how willing it is to opposing equal opportunity in favor of equal outcome.
I too love Too Gun when it came out and I was in 6th grade. However, once I became a naval aviator, I flew F14 and F18. I realized how unreal Top Gun was. But thanks to Hollywood, the navy tricked me into serving a good career as a naval aviator. Now I just fly a big 777 bus. Missed those days sitting in the front seat of my Tomcat.
Jump into DCS World, and get yourself a F-14B! It is my second favorite aircraft behind the F-4. I am very envious you got to fly the Tomcat, it is a beautiful plane. Thanks for your service!
I feel like most of the military, especially the high skill jobs involve some level of "and that's how hollywood tricked me into joining the military..."
@@michag4337 A lot of the aircraft maintenance career fields, when I was in, have "glamorous" sounding titles.
Who would not want to be a "Tactical Aircraft Maintenance Specialist"? Until you find out that most of your day is spent kicking tires and pumping gas. Nothing but love for you, Crew Chief 😀
In this video: Calm, confident and friendly. Gives us her insight on movies
In real life: Calm, confident and deadly. Controls one of the most complicated and effective weapons on earth and goes by the name "Grinder".
Thank you for your service, Ma'am!
Christine Mau did wonderful commentary. I was one of the co-creators of the History Channel series DogFights and would loved to have had her doing commentary on the series.
I just discovered that series since it's being uploaded to UA-cam, I love watching them!
I was just going to reference dogfights lol .. no way would i ever question her, but when she said se wouldn't recommend going vertical, i was going to say she must mean now because i have seen every DogFights episode and Japanese pilots used that a lot against the wild cat and even in Korea and Vietnam it was used depending on the aircraft .. excellent series
We need a revival of DogFights please! Maybe with some Commonwealth and Soviet WWII stuff this time around.
6:40 "Stuff like this doesn't fly" grounded by the Grinder!
love it
When " The Incredibles" is the most accurate film on the list lmao.
My foster father flew F-16's when the nick name Long Dart was coined. Before he became my foster father he was my J.R.O.T.C. instructor. Every first year class had to watch Top Gun, it was, in his opinion, the most realistic representation of fighter aircraft in the movies. As she mentions, you never take your mask off, but most movies DO tend to disregard this. I love all of the critiques she gives on every movie. Reminds me of what he did in class to debunk how the movies show flight.
"You should always stay far behind an enemy aircraft to avoid hitting it" *Laughs in War Thunder*
look at me! I know stupid memes!
We all know that pilot stuff is the side story in top gun
True, it's a beautiful love story at heart. A tale of forbidden love between our heroes Mav and Goose.
I thought it was the love story between Mav and Iceman.
The plot is really about shirtless beach vollyball.
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I always thought it was a beach volleyball movie.
She has a pretty dope name, “Grinder”.
One is given their callsign by others and it's typically a play on ones name or a personality trait for example. It can also be as a result of having dome something notable/memorable, be it good or not so good. Therefore, knowing the story behind ones callsign is often amusing.
More often than not, callsigns are due to some embarrassing action. 'Free Willy' might be self explanatory, but 'Lamb' might not be so straightforward. The rules I've heard is that your fellow pilots assign you the name, and you probably won't like it.
@@cassiespencer6134 When I was in the Royal Canadian Air Cadets (similar to the Civil Air Patrol), one of my squadron mates who got his glider license on a scholarship course got the "callsign" Two Bags, because he puked twice on his first glider flight on the course XD
Maybe she likes Cannibal Corpse!?!?
Became a lot less dope when Grindr came out.
After watching all the other clips of WW2 era aircraft, you gotta appreciate how much Dunkirk got right.
Except for the Fantasy Island ending where the Spitfire without fuel shoots down a German plane.
but ofc it's not a patch on the 1969 Battle of Britain :) for thrills or realistic feel :)
Steve Day I actually found battle of britain super boring and Dunkirk super thrilling tbh. But it was really cool how many real planes they used in BoB
I'm surprised she didn't know what coffin corner meant. Coffin corner is a term used to describe a condition at high altitude when the maximum speed (limited by the spreading of supersonic shock waves) and the minimum (limited by amount of air passing over the wing) are nearly the same. This has caused cases where the airplane could not fly faster due to the high-speed limit or much slower due to the low-speed limit, making it difficult to control during turbulence or when descending.
One extreme example of the coffin corner is the U-2 - the difference between the famed spy plane’s high-speed limit vs. low-speed limits is quite narrow at the extreme altitudes of 60,000 feet or more. It is a very challenging airplane to fly because of the small acceptable airspeed window.
Loved this episode Wired! Christine "Grinder" Mau is amazing (and super cool!) her explanations of all the aeronautics manoeuvres and in the most professional and tactful way crushing all the movie directors and the writers’ script errors. I could sit and listen to Grinder explaining all such things the whole day! I don't know if she has kids yet, but she would make the coolest mom ever!
she does have kids, i’m actually dating her daughter lol, and i can confirm that she’s one of the coolest moms out there
@@aidandoss5561 woah. Pictures or it did not happen. 😁😆
Hah! You go Grinder! I flew with her back in the day. I know someone famous!!
“Coffin corner” is something you’d think more of in a plane like a U2 or an SR-71 where you’d be at extreme altitudes. If you make a plot of an airplane’s stall speed against its critical Mach number (speed above which the plane may break up under aerodynamic stress, sort of like Vne), the stall speed will increase while critical Mach will decrease such that at a certain altitude, they will intersect. This is the called the coffin corner because it very dangerous to operate your plane there, where flying a little faster will break your plane apart, and a little slower will cause a stall, which could cause your plane’s nose to drop or even enter a spin where, because you are so close to critical Mach speed, could also break up your plane.
This is why I started going through the comments, I had a very basic understanding of coffin corner. I thought I had read something about this during the Pearlan II 76,000ft record flights, but going back now, I can't find it. Very interesting though!
That's what I thought they were referring to as well. I've heard U2 and SR-71 pilots talk about how at those extreme altitudes the planes are almost impossible to fly, and it is possible to find a situation where there simply isn't enough air to keep them aerodynamically stable. I'm not sure about the part where the plane will break down under aerodynamic stress, because the higher you go, and the thinner the air, the less stress the airframe would be subjected to.
I said it first! I did! I did! :)
I WAS A COOK IN THE U.S. NAVY...BEFORE I JOINED U.S. NAVY. I WAS A NAVIGATOR(IPERP) SAILING SLOOPS. I RESPECT YOUR JET-FIGHTER TRAINING...ALSO VFR CESSNA 172 PILOT! YEAH! I "GET IT!"
Christine Mau, as in....Christine Mau....aka.the first ever female F-35 Pilot, *THE Christine "Grinder" Mau?!*
So the most accurate movie, The Incredibles lol
@@michellefields9743 ?
Thank you ma’am. I was a plane captain (not an actual captain) for F/A-18A fighter jets. It’s always nice to continue to gain knowledge in the military aviation field.
Just found out that The Incredibles is even more incredible.
Top Gun is a bad cheesy movie scriptwise, but it's a classic and it's got to be one of the best, if not the best depiction of fighter aircraft flying in film history, both technically and artistically. The shots of planes flying are just amazing and beautiful, the choreography, the stunts, the photography, the music, and of course with the now retired F-14, all that with no CGI. It's a timeless classic that looks like a modern film, to think it was released almost 40 years ago makes it even more spectacular.
11:00 she says that fight and attack at 50 feets over the ground is unrealistic. Tell that to the Argentinians pilots of the Malvinas.
"If you are in a war against Argentina and you hear the noise of the turbines of an airplane ... do not look at the sky ... because death comes at ground level"
I love this series so much
For the fighter lady:
In commercial or subsonic aircraft "coffin corner" references an altitude where either increasing or decreasing your airspeed, you'll stall, so you must be always below that altitude.
This is an awesome video, but I was surprised she hadn't heard of that
@@markclawrie007 Prop-planes and Jets(Especially Military) are basically different-planets at this point so it isn't that surprising. It's almost like comparing fixed- to rotary-wing aviation.
@@fabrikator-generalakhilley6896 physics doesn't care what you're flying. Every fixed wing aircraft will have coffin corner limits.
@@condor2378 Da, but that doesn't mean the lingo's the same.
@@gibbcharron3469 but it is.
14:24 Never heard gravity/g-force described as "God's G". Kinda poetic in a Non-zealot way.
I had to rewind, just to be sure that's what she said!
Imagine going on a blind date and she says "I fly f35's I'm in the air force" I would feel like she's so out of my league
Man, I wish they added the X-Wing Fighter Death Star attack at the end!
She’s awesome at explaining stuff !
Well done !
“Grinder” Great breakdown o these movies, you killed me w/ "I think I was in 4th grade..."
I was an 3rd yr AFROTC in college when TopGun came out.... I agree, being an Eagle Driver was some of best times of my life...
RTB killed me because I probably would have lost my wings because I might/would have shot that MIG after shooting down my element, or clean shot before reaching Seoul. Command in that movie was nonsensical..
As a former Ego Driver, you don't shoot down my wingman and LIVE!!!
p.s. I enjoyed watching F-15's Tokyo drift around buildings🤣🤣🤣
ua-cam.com/video/Kq51XkCDBb8/v-deo.html - Mover Ruins Movies covered Return to Base. (He's a former F-16 / F-18 driver). He said the same thing: "dude's blowing up your city: shoot him." And yeah, earlier than that he was saying the guy's obviously hostile, they should be shooting him *before* he gets to a major city.
UA-cam comments there said something about the filmmakers maybe trying to make a political point about the US being in control of command decisions for the South Korean military. So apparently command being idiots and not authorizing shootdown of the hostile was something the movie was doing on purpose. But exaggerating to the point of nonsense it seemed.
They've broken down that Behind Enemy Lines scenes so many times Lol
Loved that scene in Behind Enemy Lines. Great movie.
proud of you Christine Mau !
Oh ffs. You’ve missed the most iconic flight scene ever. Top gun buzzing the tower
She seems like such a badass. Loved her breakdown.
I was at a scenic turnout in Death Valley when a fighter flew through the canyon. I can totally understand the kids in that clip covering their ears; that thing was LOUD!
On another trip through DV, a fighter flew overhead so close that I could see the pilot, and they did the wing wave thing at me!
Is Death Valley the same place as "Star Wars Canyon?"
@@knightlife98 I don't think so, but maybe?
awesome!
@@ttaibe Death Valley is the hottest place on earth (that isn't a lava flow)
@@knightlife98 It's where Twenty Nine Palms Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center is located.
Thank you so much! Such great info!
Wow. Such a pleasure to watch this. So knowledgeable and many movies I’ve watched for enjoyment. Hats off to the consultants for the Incredibles.
I used to live near Camp David and saw a Piper Cub being intercepted by a fighter jet. It was the coolest thing I’ve ever seen.
kill kill kill
Thank you ma'am.. my respect.... the tone alone of your voice tells the experience of an expert...
Really fun video. So many of us out there can't imagine doing what you've done. Greatest and most sincere thanks for your service. MSJ
Many, many thanks! --It's because of people like you that I, and my family, sleep well each night... Because we know that YOU are here to protect us! 🙂 Thank you, again.
Good job I enjoyed your video, and thank you for your service.
Wow. Just wow. Incredibly nice video explanation.
She is kind of forgetting that Aerial Warfare used to be much different in WW2 , Hammerhead manouvers where much more effective as most combatants where much more inexperienced, the Bf109 and Spitfires where very different planes and engagement heights, speed and distances where totally incomparible to modern dogfights
Thanks for explaining this, not fighter pilot.
@@Kimjongil-pu6rk
No he has a point, many WW2 aces were known to prefer stall fights. One in particular was a japanese zero pilot which would get pretty much all his kills by stalling out US fighters and going for a hammerhead. Untill one day a young pilot which was given a improved aircraft as they usally had simply catched him.
It is certainly a do or die maneuver, but indeed also many nations had hopefully undertrained inexperienced pilots later in the war falling for such things.
@@Kimjongil-pu6rk By the end of the war, the Luftwaffe and Japan has barely any experienced pilots left, with new pilots being sent to the front lines with barely 40 hours of flight time under their belt (for comparison, I got my PPL at 72h in 3 months, and just got my CPL at 268h 3 years later).
Not surprising modern day fighter pilots aren't taught tactics, techniques and procedures for fighting against 60+ year old acft.
Thank you for crushing Hollywood's disregard for reality via its overuse of drama in these films!
Love how the animated film gets the most props.
This was very enjoyable to watch
Miss Christine AKA Grinder, I just stumbled upon this page, And i just wanted to say thank you for you years of service You are an Incredible woman pilot and an Inspiration Respectfully yours Matt Pryor
I wonder if Snakes on a Plane was accurate
It’s a documentary
to a certain point...
Accurate enough that snakes on a plane is dangerous.
It did happen
Short answer... No.
Long answer... Nooooooooooooooooooooo.
Top Gun:
"I got him, Bingo!"
Aight guys, let's RTB.. We're bingo
She taught me so much physics that I can't digest easily. awesome, great and informative
Wait. With this video she taught you so much about physics that you can't even digest it?
What'd she teach you?! That fighter jets can't turn easily? That there is an altitude ceiling? That Earth's gravity has a strong effect on planes flying straight up? That close to the ground at super sonic speeds the "time to die" can be super short? It was a very interesting and fascinating breakdown video, but I didn't see a lot of advanced physics in it. 😂
@@hylianchriss everyone may not be as good as you lol
hylianchriss calm down there, hotshot.
@@hylianchriss - Pointing out the *consequences* of simple physics in a given situation can be very helpful to novices in really understanding it, and how what they learned in school can apply to real life.
A lot of people have trouble seeing how to describe real situations with equations they learned in school, despite that being the one thing that makes physics and math truly useful :P
I love this woman. Very intelligent and experienced
Great breakdowns always good to see a talented lady.
I especially like how in Return to Base, every time they are turning, they've got their afterburners on. Afterburner = more thrust = larger turn radius. So literally the opposite of what you'd want to be doing in a turn. But hey, LOOKATTHECOOLFLAMES!!!
Never be as cool as an SR-71 taking off at dusk or dawn though. I've seen that more times than any man has a right to, and it never gets old.
She explain everything perfectly
I was just doing online school, but this is more important.
Clearly you have enough sense to be the one teaching the class
100% my favorite military service member when it comes to UA-cam
This was the best one of these I have ever seen.
When The Incredibles is the most accurate depiction of flying a jet🤭
The flying wasn't accurate though, as she said. The radio comms were.
@@mummeliini123 Just for fun, I could argue:
1-this is a fictional aircraft, which may or may not match up to any real design
2-it's a superhero movie, so it may have "non-standard" equipment that civilian aircraft don't usually carry.
@@slimmccoy8863 Then that would just further the point that the flying isn't accurate depiction of real world jets.
“Coffin corner” is the area of the flight envelope where the ‘never exceed’ speed is only a few knots above stall speed
That lady is super cool, she could make describing the operation of a garden lawnmower interesting and authoritative.
Fighter pilots have the coolest nicknames ever. “Grinder” that’s objectively badass
Miss Grinder, you where awesome. thank you for agreeing to be filmed for this ^_^
The only movie they're missing is Battle of Britain, that has to be one of the greatest flight films ever
4:02 Correction: in WWII, they used a throat mic, not a modern day mic in the mask.
Further, at low altitude, as depicted, they might well have the mask off because they don't need the oxygen and it's already hot and stuffy enough in a cockpit with no air conditioning that mask off could be cooler and allow easier breathing.
9:21 Correction: The correct correction is that Maverick is not going for a radar lock, but that he is going for an IR lock, as the close range infra red missile requires its own lock, regardless of what the radar may or may not be locked onto.
11:09 Very unlikely, but not totally unrealistic: ua-cam.com/video/E7ZzGzoX5U8/v-deo.html
i would LOVE to see Mover Interview her would be an interesting interview indeed
@@GhostWatcher2024 agreed
This lady is articulate, bright and with a biting sense of humor. Thanks for your service and God Bless! A patriot always
I remember watching tornadoes in the UK . They look like they are flying just above the deck. And I say that as a former P3 crewman.
Check out the Mach loop in Wales, often people are looking down at aircraft zooming past them.
doctor: “you have 18 minutes and 4 seconds left to live”
me:
Great to hear an actual fighter pilot critique these movies! I've always suspected the theatrics in movies was overblown! Coregeous people who pilot fighter jets! 🙂
Loved this episode. This lady is GOLD!
Outstanding. She is great.
She practically told me Santa isn't real when she said the notorious Top Gun inverted flight scene isn't real.
Met her in person, she is a badass!
The _real_ WonderWoman