The Quest for a Spiritual Home: Conference Warmup | John Vervaeke, Jonathan Pageau & Paul VanderKlay
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Join Jonathan Pageau, John Vervaeke, and Paul VanderKlay on UA-cam for a two-day event with presentations, conversations, and break-out sessions using the Estuary Protocol, moderated by Kathryn Wilson.
The main conference on May 19-20 will feature presentations, conversations, and feedback sessions with all speakers. A more detailed schedule will be available mid-April. Meals are included.
On May 21, join John Vervaeke for guided meditation at 7am, followed by Paul as a guest preacher at CrossPoint Church at 9:30am. At 1:30pm, Jonathan Pageau will lead a tour at St. Andrew's Orthodox Church.
Attendance is limited to 325 people, with 100 discounted tickets available. A group rate for 30 rooms is offered at the Ayres Hotel in Chino Hills, CA. For help with lodging and transportation, click the link to connect with others.
Register to be among the 100 participants in "Paintball for Jesus" on May 18, followed by dinner at Graziano's Pizza.
The event is sponsored by ProFathers, Inc., and the local Chino chapter of the Estuary Project.
Abraham does not leave into the unknown. His eye is fixed always on Zion.
I’m a simple man. Whenever I see Jonathan Pageau, I click.
Amen. Amen. Amen.
Thank god finally a feminine perspective in these convos
Great conversation! Worth a listen! This covers SO MANY important topics in a short period of time. Thanks for sharing!
Chris Byon
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Dr.Vervaeke and his fellows are real genius with respect to humanity scale. I personally had drunken milks in early ages so lipid oversupplied in early ages body development was boosted and quickly stopped, such symptoms are suggested that one cannot live more than age of 55.
I live with same country with Dr.Vervaeke and under same sky and only commutable distant from my home, it is my honor and respect for his video contribution for everyone like me. He is older generation than me, but if I die at 55 (now 41) he still is alive, then it is good for him and good for me, because I don't see fallen angel of his life (older generation dies earlier but in my case, my life is earlier ending I predict).
This is not meaning that I would like to suicide, it is my expression to honor and respect his spirit of talk every part of videos he is contributing. He is contemporary living scholar with our ages he is contributing to humanity scale~!! I am watching same blue sky when he sees clearly blue, I am watching same rainy sky when he sees rainy, he and I live nearby cities and it is happy experience I can do while other country people cannot do!
The bragging some Korean immigrants have, some of the bragging is we can go Canadian university cheaper than abroad student, I add one more: I can live nearby Dr.Vervaeke and we can see him just by paying bus fare only! Of Course, he is not friend to me and I have to make appointment to meet him, it is true that I am so happy with being his same nationality and living under same blue sky!
He is gem of Canadian cognitive science area. I am big fan of his UA-cam videos~!! His fellows are also great people and human network of the strength they can make difference.
If I die at age of 55, it is not regret or dispair, because Dr.Vervaeke lives more than that!! Long live Vervaeke, truthful king of all sciences. I live upto 55 is colloquially I have heard, it is not curse when I watch his UA-cam videos. Dr.Peterson is same hero as Dr.Vervaeke, I realized why UT is best university all over Canada.
This is what I am supposed to think about, even though some my replies are academically colorful and sometimes counteropinions about certain issues.
* Things are good --- this mentioning is also subject to be abused, but I post this.
We just ready the whole story of Jonah on Holy Saturday!!!
its been 7 years that i have not enjoyed listening to anything supposed to be serious related for more than 5 minutes, until days ago, when i came across you guys, so i am more happy than before. Great ideas so far, in the end anyone who tries to believe in One GOD and strives to do good deeds should have a spiritual home even one like me belonging to no religion at all. Background should matter only as far as the name suggests.
Incredible conversation. John, your videos often seem to speak eerily directly to what’s going on in my life. Maybe we’re both riding the wave of the zeitgeist. Thank you folks!
I love that idea of a home/horizon polarity.
This was very interesting. Thanks, y'all. I think "home" is going to finally rest on who we share parents with and who we share meals with. God our Father, Mary our mother, the Eucharist... These are real things.
Your voice would blend well with this crowd, Father.
Your name sure seems to have you fit into the club it seems to me.
@@gregorywitcher5618 I usually like where the conversation goes with these folks. I'm a cradle Catholic from a pretty traditional old-school rural Cajun family, so the "symbolic world" feels like a very natural way of thinking for me. Christ's peace!
@@FrJohnBrownSJ We’ve got to make plans for me to visit and meet you. I’m in Baton Rogue. It would be so good to hear stories of my Great Uncle, Fr. Paul Scott, SJ.
I will email your Jesuit email if that’s best.
I am so grateful to you all for coming together with different viewpoints, experiences, and insights. This is exactly the time to learn from each other and I cannot wait to see what comes of the conference. This Kairos can go many ways and I know that you guys have a big part to play in it. Bless all of you and best of luck!
The only direction from the divine, from the beginning is to love each other❤️ A connected divine feminine,is weaving many things, in a flux, at any given moment and in a multidimensional way too , Jonathan💫 Leaving home 🪷
Tough love 💪🏻 ❤
The Home of God or the much shorter The Hunger for Home: Food and Meals in The Gospel of Luke are two books that explore our need for a spiritual home. John Vandonk, I think would love the first book. I too have trouble settling in certain churches (as a Catholic I actually have a huge variety of churches to choose from. Franciscan or Dominican or Diocesan? In NYC the choices are endless. They all have a distinct feel.). Just went to the most amazing church in Edinburgh (St. Albert the Great) and it almost makes me want to move there. I am moving in the. next two year and I choose the church first because it makes the biggest difference in my life. It is where we are with a community, our spiritual family.
Just chiming in to continue to extol the immense value Kathryn is bringing to this!
I wish I could make one of these
Ive watched this episode the last time, if i was an american i would be there.
I wanted to say this last time but didnt, you Paul feel like a spiritual home/homecomming to me, i cant say its the religion but is a part of it/you ofcourse.
From the start that i watched you speak about certain things that i was busy exploring and sharing with others, you already had ideas about it and words for it like the secret sacret self.
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Home is also orientation, how we "home in," or place ourselves through understanding context.
John frequently reminds us of the temptation towards nostalgia. How is the sense and practice of home related to the practice of being present? Nostalgia is that which diverts attention away from the present, forever at sea among the restless and weary.
Home is also where we house our innocence, a place we must leave if we are to come into the sense of being through agentic process.
Thanks for the inspirational conversation.
This is the second time today I am hearing about the dangers and pitfalls of nostalgia. But I ask you whether nostalgia of past events or things (whether real or imagined) might not act as the soul's scenting the yearning and and desiring of the Divine, which leaves its traces on all things?
May they all find a spiritual home in the One Only Holy catholic and apostolic Orthodox Church of God.
I hope you know this is anathema to John's message...
Were your uncapitalized C and O purposeful? Just curious.
@@FrJohnBrownSJ yes! More universal. The one true body, regardless of the schisms.
@@FrJohnBrownSJ If I were to have said it I would have reversed the OP’s capitalizations
@@KalebPeters99 “No, no no no. No, no, no. No. No, no.” - John Vervaeke saying “No, no, no.” Compilation
The Camino keeps showing up in several different contexts. Maybe I has to move back into a motorhome again, and nuture my homesickness. Or I can let my meaning crisis slowly conform me. Right now I need more of that no-thingness.
Thank you all very much for this conversation, good luck in May everyone, peace.
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Do know of Ben Goertzel, probably do, interesting gentleman. I figure because you're ai aware, as you've spoken about the subject before.
Peace
Oh man I am PUMPED for that essay on GPT.
I've been really curious how John's model may have evolved given recent advancements
But did he use GPT to help write it?
Didn't have church camp as a child but did in my 30s ... they were great, can't recommend a changeup too much.
Love the ring John! 🌚☄️❤️💫
I'm curious what john will say about Odysseus. That poem has archetypal resonance for my life and psyche, especially Telemachus, son of Odysseus.
Further point of reflection: In terms of the Eliade's the sacred and the profane, a home has a sacrilizing function turning homogenous senseless space into a meaningful oriented space.
I'm still on the quest for just a home.
Couldn't finish this. "Finding a spiritual home" is seeking extrinsic acceptance and value through the social network associated with it.
Value/meaning should be intrinsically motivated, removing the belongingness needs that are the draw of social environments.
Saw this on Paul's channel already, wish I could have made it, Sounds amazing ❤ Enjoy
With regards to the idea of domicide and this being (possibly) related to the modern meaning crisis.
Maybe it would be worthwhile to look into the following two key words, if you haven’t already: the concept of the „abstract society“ by Karl Popper and the idea of Oikophilia, as well as Oikophobia by Sir Roger Scruton.
I think it would be interesting to follow up that trail and I‘m excited to hear more from you about the connections you‘re already pursuing.
Have fun and a good „hunt“ for new and better ideas!
Edit: @52:40 „The enlightenment has betrayed us. It‘s funny you‘re saying this. One of my favorite phrases by Immanuel Kant (in the critique of pure reason) is the passage where he speaks of a „Ruheplatz der Vernunft“. A resting place for reason. So in a sense, the intent behind this critique was really for a place to call „home“, or at least for shelter. Maybe it would be worthwhile to distinguish between the two.
Plus: I‘m thinking, whether we might have the idea backwards. Maybe the conception of home as in a place to rest that exists independent of where we move, might be something that doesn‘t really exist in the mind of those tribes who have no capability of building and putting an order into things. It might be that out conception of home is as alien to them as the conception of good and evil was in the supposed state of nature was to man, according to Rousseau. I think there‘s a great gap between the two because of our differing conceptions of space. And what it means to put order into space. Maybe the idea of having a roof, which serves as a second sky above us, as something that gives shelter to us, is something that presupposes a certain alienation from nature and presupposes the conception of the sky being just another space among many. - I think you might find that the conception of space - in the myths of those cultures - might be very different from our conception, and that there might be a correlation between the two: between the conception of space that they have and the feeling of home that they inhabit.
And so the question might be, whether the question of recapturing our homes via the conception of those ancient tribes might be akin to the idea, whether it‘s possible to return to the state of nature, or to put the djinni back into the bottle.
Hello John, I have read the Tao Te Ching and the Zhuangzi and I am now looking to enter further into the Taoist narrative. I find it difficult to sift through the woo and I was wondering if you have any recommendations
Would be fab to have you guys back over here in the UK. I missed the last one, and I don't think I can get across the pond this time!
I’m wondering if I have to be named John to attend. 🤷🏼
Next one in Colorado! Is there an estuary project in Denver area? I would dearly love to meet some of my like-minded brothers and sisters in person.
Lived in Denver 25 years but not anymore. Lots of lonely people there. Can you find a group?
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Lol. You’re going to make a Christian burning man. Can’t avoid it at this point. The shape of time, the movement of listening, the great equalizer.
FYI, 20min in and they hadn't started talking about the subject but seem to be doing red tape/announcements which the audience would not know about so... what is this video?
1:08:24 "When you are reading the adult attachment literature..."
I would love to come to one of your talks in person especially this one but i am if i were working, a minimum wage worker.. circumstances ruined my schooling and ive been on the struggle bus to only realize at the end of the pandemic how bleak my future is and yea long story short im living with my mother who brought me incredible suffering and trauma in an attempt to address my Domicide and shave my black wool.. but my efforts seem futile as mothers mind slips away with age. So i am trying to discover a course of action to go for school or just find a shitty job and throw myself back into a world that shattered for me when my dad died. everything in me says NO EFFING WAY STAY AWAY find your calling the world is getting way to expensive to live in as a solo person though and don’t seem to be getting better and not sure how to go about it with the ai emergence now replacing alot of things we might not want to replace with a machine…
Appreciate your time JV ❤🍄
The world provides more hurdles than we can jump over through sheer strength, John's work helps us understand how we might have made it this far, and learning to use those tools will definitely help you find where you plant your feet, we can't carry all of our yesterday's, we were never meant to, I hope you find what you're looking for, whether that is through career or personal life, in order to get out of the minimum wage workforce you have to continue to educate yourself, maybe in the trades, maybe by finding a mentor, I advise all young people to network, network, network, like real estate and location, location, location. Prepare for the future by laying out a plan, not just in your head, but, put it down on paper, set small goals, opportunities will present themselves, but you have to make the choice of whether or not you want a specific opportunity, does it fit with your story. Live is an incredible challenge, and there are too many roadblocks set before us, just remember to take a moment to think about how you can get over, around, through or under the obstacle before you. Just an old man sharing a little bit of what I've learned through time. Peace
@@williamjmccartan8879 thanks for your very kind words i think my current problem is I haven’t any obstacles in front of me to overcome. since i got my license i feel like ive climbed my mountain but i know its not the peak or maybe it is i am 35 and conquered a giant fear in getting that license. a mentor would be the opportunity i would really appreciate as i feel noone gives me the opportunity to fail enough times to learn a real job, but with this license i am open to more job opportunities just the waiting for an opportunity to arise from anything and i self educate myself to the best of my ability with what i can im trying to read more books and wish to explore my creative abilities i suppressed due to childhood and mothers narcissistic selfishness. between JV and Peterson and Jung i have been doing alot of individuation and integration to addressing my meaning crisis these people have helped me the most this past year and some change. As for location i may have put myself in a shit spot in some small farm town but without a doubt i can not live on my own so i shall keep an eye out for opportunity in a different location i can drive anywhere in Canada now so i should be more mindful of that.
@@williamjmccartan8879 thank you I appreciate this! when i was a kid i tinkered with scrap wood and made lil tech deck skateparks on plywood. I also built a fort a couple times too, And you’re the second person in about a month to suggest carpentry trade to me think im going to walk into the school and inquire what all i need to do to pursue this and what jobs are out there for carpenters. 🙏
@@Beederda I gave Antonio a heads-up that you might show up
Forget Disembody theres the boss monkey lobstas
*tosses a comment to the algorithm*
An indigenous woman healer is missing. Our spiritual home is our body ,in community, living on our earth
jupiter is exalted in cancer
The boomer guy is such a boomer. Sounds like he's coming over on a literal 1950's radio. Asking strange questions about women and price of flights.
Welcome to the implications of accelerating science and tech. You folks have been focusing on just philosophy and religion way too long. I expect far bigger changes due to acceleration this decade. Hold onto your hats.
Y’all are terrifying
@Die Enchanted they’re all government agents trying to steer “disinformation” bubbles on UA-cam. Pageau is the only cool one.
yes, I'm curious too
@@midgeycrimbles6730 all 3 of these folks work for the fed. They’re informants trying to steer online conversations. That’s why Jordan has been “playing” with Verveake. Check out the Rafe Kelly interview.
@Die Enchanted I’m 100% serious. I’m never trusting the fed lol.
Religion is a ticking bomb our species carries around with it at all times.
Are you going to address pedophilia of Dalai Lama in your next videos?