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  • The ENTIRE Black Star and Baby Saga | Dragon Ball GT Anime #dragonball #dragonballsuper #Dragonballgt
    Several years after the events of Dragon Ball Z, Goku has taken Majin Buu's reincarnation ; Uub, to train. But his life is once again turned upside down when he is turned into a kid! Now Goku must go with Pan and Trunks to find the mysterious Black Star Dragon Balls before the planet explodes! But an evil plot to kill the saiyans and take over Earth is set in motion, as the evil Baby takes over Vegeta... Dragon Ball GT is WEIRD! This full recap of the first few Dragon Ball GT arcs covers everything from Goku getting turned into a kid all the way to the birth of Super Saiyan 4 and the defeat of Super Baby Vegeta. Before Dragon Ball Daima comes out, why not look back at the first time Goku got turned into a kid?
    00:00 Black Star Dragon Balls Saga
    13:18 Baby Saga
    25:00 The Birth of Super Saiyan 4
    Edited by Smugstick and @chrisds27
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  • @SmugStick
    @SmugStick  4 місяці тому +22

    The Super 17 and Shadow Dragons Arc is now out! ua-cam.com/video/opAcW6f6OD8/v-deo.htmlsi=KeGn249hKOCceMP3

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 4 місяці тому +45

    *thumbnail*
    SSJ4 Goku vs Baby Vegeta is pure unadulterated awesomeness.

  • @KrazieAF
    @KrazieAF 4 місяці тому +47

    My favourite thing about GT is the stakes that the Baby arc has. Not only is Earth in trouble because of the Black Star DragonBalls but Baby has also infected and turned everyone and most of the allies Goku has against him. Compared to Buu where he just destroyed and killed everyone which is terrifying, imagine seeing everyone you love turn against you and root for your death it’s equally scary and “nice” alternative then just pure destruction which most villains tend to do. Also the tuffle planet looks super dystopian as Goku and Baby fight which adds to the atmosphere and the dub music also feels (at least to me) matches the vibe of the entire arc as well. SSJ4 also looks metal as heck, its design feels powerful and emanates a feeling of “This is it, the pinnacle of power our last hope” vibe. GT is dope 😎

    • @chadgrimes252
      @chadgrimes252 2 місяці тому +3

      Facts💯 GT will always be Iconic and amazing

  • @alphawolf7417
    @alphawolf7417 4 місяці тому +9

    SSJ4 is easily my favorite form in Dragon Ball, not just cause of the desogn or power, but also the reason he obtained it. So many forms now are either handed out like candy or by training over and over. SSJ4, however, required 2 things from Goku. Controlling the great ape, which he had never done, and remembering his loved ones. It wasn't the thought of fighting or the desire to improve that brought Goku back to himself. It was a happy memory of him spending peaceful days with his family and friends.
    As for Baby, he is easily one of my absolute favorite Dragon Ball villains. He's a villain with actual motivation beyond just being a vicious killer. He succeeded in actually conquering the Earth and made all the Heroes fight each other. It's hard not to like a character who can do all that.

    • @SmugStick
      @SmugStick  4 місяці тому +1

      Yeah I agree. Baby is one of my favourite villains too

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 4 місяці тому +136

    If SSJ4 Goku had at least 1 more Saiyan giving him power while fighting against Baby Vegeta... then, Goku would've turned into a Super Saiyan God.

    • @Lord_Aizen208
      @Lord_Aizen208 4 місяці тому +24

      That would be cool and all that but I don't think the ritual is necessary anymore, I mean Vegeta got ssj God and it is said that he didn't need the ritual to get it

    • @ruben-uh9hm
      @ruben-uh9hm 4 місяці тому +2

      Imagine

    • @ShonenGoon
      @ShonenGoon 4 місяці тому +21

      No need to downgrade him

    • @Lord_Aizen208
      @Lord_Aizen208 4 місяці тому +1

      @@ruben-uh9hm and I'm just saying

    • @mbulut9896
      @mbulut9896 4 місяці тому +3

      He wouldve turned ssj4god

  • @vonigner
    @vonigner 4 місяці тому +14

    "growing a jacket" lmaoooo
    Nice recap! I love how the group giving ki to the one person is hat inspired SSJG

  • @oWo4L
    @oWo4L 2 місяці тому +13

    Baby’s creepy af. A parasite like the movie Alien, except he takes over your body. That image of him popping out of a newly controlled Vegeta’s cheek was beyond unsettling. The idea of an Alien using your body as a host is terrifying af.
    Baby was a prick.

  • @Blaze4ification
    @Blaze4ification 16 днів тому +3

    People think GT isn't possible but... if Super still ends at Z's peaceful world saga, then it's still possible, because GT is canon to that 5 years later. People also say God is superior in strength when really... no it isn't, or at least not that much. It's just Goku with God Ki, his power level doesn't increase all that much, it goes above SS3 sure, because 3 couldn't handle Beerus. However Goku is battling with Beerus moments later in base SS1 form, despite his God form dissipating. Simply because the God Ki flows through his veins now. Maybe that's a part of why SS4 can happen, it uses a small amount of God Ki. Why 4's fur is red, then ascended 4 Gogeta's hair is red along with his fur. Just a theory, but plausible I think.
    Especially with Daima on the horizon, think this will be a similar if not the same explanation. Everyone, not just Goku, being shrunk to their younger selves.
    Is GT bad... I can't say I haven't watched since I was a kid, and admittedly yeah I joined the heard, and it is fun to make fun of when I was a teen. As an adult though I've come to appreciate the good with the bad, and the bad with the good. Nothing is perfect just as much as nothing is without sin. GT had good moments, SS4 is the coolest and most unique design Toriyama has made for Saiyans to date, Baby saga gave us that. The concept of the shadow dragons, SS4 Vegeta and Gogeta super cool, the touching relation between Goku and Nuova that is his grandpa's last gift to him, the 4 star ball. The way Goku goes out too, it's fitting for the franchise to end. If he just died, then they'd use the dragon balls to wish him back, if Earth's in trouble, if he died of old age, then just use them to
    de-age him too, there's so many loopholes, there was no other way to end the juggernaut of a franchise. It felt poetic. So even if it's a branching timeline, and Super has its own ending not tied to Peaceful World Saga and GT... I hope it follows GT's example with the ending at least.

  • @emanueleesposti9806
    @emanueleesposti9806 4 місяці тому +9

    Fun fact: The Kamehameha X10 was actually blue during the Baby saga, but it's later changed to red.

  • @maximillianoorosco-randhaw9336
    @maximillianoorosco-randhaw9336 4 місяці тому +8

    I like both Baby’s Super Forms because of the narrative behind which was a organic version of Baby’s design. It was mean to show that the more powerful Baby becomes in Vegeta’s body, the less the body resembles Vegeta and more like Baby, symbolizing the more control Baby has over Vegeta.
    Additionally, I like how he was written in his own arc was his involvement with the Great Ape.The placement of Great Ape is important in the Baby Saga for an additional reason: you see, in the Saiyan vs Tuffle(Baby’s race) war, both sides were equal with neither gaining the advantage, however this changed when the full moon of Plant Plant/Vegeta comes play as it only appears once every several years. This let the Saiyans transform into Great Apes which was ultimately was the deciding factor in this back and forth war. The Great Ape carries this theme of “History Repeating Itself” and Super Saiyan 4 Goku vs Golden Great Ape Baby was essentially a challenge of who could take that deciding factor from the last conflict and use it better in this new conflict, to which Goku was able to win the challenge with Super Saiyan 4 as he wasn’t tied down by negative feelings such as hatred and was strengthened by his love for his friends and family, where as Baby was only able to achieve Golden Great Ape and that’s it because of his hatred inhibiting him and tying him down(thematically speaking). The Great Ape is the main thing that controlled Baby’s life as it even gave him PTSD when he saw Goku turn into a Golden Great Ape himself and he essentially becomes what he fears and hates the most: a Great Ape.
    So yeah, the Baby Saga is one of my favorite sagas in Dragon Ball, not just because these reasons but also becuase it introduced my favorite form of all time: Super Saiyan 4!
    I also think Baby is a very relatable character as when he infected anyone, they identified themselves Tuffles, and when Baby decided to infect the entire universe, meaning turning them into Neo Tuffles, it meant that Baby wanted his race back. However, as the arc progressed and he was getting pushed back by the saiyans, Baby slowly began to become more and more twisted and drowning further in his hatred, losing sight of his goal, resulting him trying to destroy the protagonists by any means necessary, even if his infected subordinates got caught in the crossfire.

  • @bf1769
    @bf1769 Місяць тому +5

    GT feels like real Dragonball unlike DBS

  • @muigokublack6487
    @muigokublack6487 4 місяці тому +6

    SSJ4: Best design and form.

  • @kakonoteouji4876
    @kakonoteouji4876 4 місяці тому +5

    Ah man scary Popo being under another control.

  • @Theamz
    @Theamz 4 місяці тому +14

    This video just made me realize a DLC black star dragon ball and baby arc for Kakarot would be god tier if done like the future trunks and bardock DLC.

  • @Animy__
    @Animy__ 4 місяці тому +2

    I enjoy GT all the way through. Despite Goku being a kid, I enjoy the Baby Arc and the Omega Shenron arc. Overall, GT is really underrated and I found it interesting to watch back then.

  • @ProfessorChimpYT
    @ProfessorChimpYT 4 місяці тому +19

    I never knew Dragon Ball Super had a sequel! The Baby Arc is so good, I hope this series goes well and doesn't drop in quality at any point!

    • @maskwali
      @maskwali 4 місяці тому +2

      It’s actually a sequel to Z made before super, thats why they never use god forms

    • @Randomergoesbrrrr
      @Randomergoesbrrrr 4 місяці тому +2

      ...that's not a sequel to super...

    • @Themacattack1209
      @Themacattack1209 4 місяці тому +2

      @@Randomergoesbrrrrit’s also not a serious comment lol

    • @Themacattack1209
      @Themacattack1209 4 місяці тому +1

      @@maskwaliIt’s actually a joke comment, made for laughs lol

    • @Iron_Challenger
      @Iron_Challenger 4 місяці тому +2

      @@Themacattack1209 with how the fans of this series are.... i wouldnt know what people seriously mean at this point are lol

  • @733ism
    @733ism 4 місяці тому +5

    Baby Vegeta = Super Saiyan
    Super Baby Vegeta 1 = Super Saiyan 2
    Super Baby Vegeta 2 = Super Saiyan 3
    Golden Great Ape Baby = Golden Great Ape

  • @justinsden
    @justinsden 4 місяці тому +1

    You did a great job with this! I appreciate the shoutout as well! Keep up the great work bro! We definitely gotta collab on a summary!

    • @SmugStick
      @SmugStick  4 місяці тому +1

      Yeah definitely! I can’t wait to see you cover more stories

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 4 місяці тому +8

    GT Goku should've still been hella strong when he was an adult.

    • @nora-yc6fi
      @nora-yc6fi 4 місяці тому +2

      You say it like he wasn't or something

    • @alphawolf7417
      @alphawolf7417 4 місяці тому +3

      The dude took on his 2 Super Saiyan sons in just his child base form. Dude was still busted.

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 4 місяці тому +16

    Kid Goku: Goten! I don't remember raising my son to act so barbaric that he would attack from behind!
    Goten: I don't remember raising me at all!

    • @Lord_Aizen208
      @Lord_Aizen208 4 місяці тому +2

      cruel and honest truth

    • @alphawolf7417
      @alphawolf7417 4 місяці тому +2

      I mean technically Goku was there with Goten for about 7-10 years.

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 4 місяці тому +7

    Uub should've traveled to space with Goku, Trunks and Pan.

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 4 місяці тому +5

    The SSJ4 form should've been called, Super Saiyan Oozaru.

    • @mbulut9896
      @mbulut9896 4 місяці тому +1

      Golden oozaru is basically ssj oozaru😂

  • @mdalimasoomi542
    @mdalimasoomi542 Місяць тому +1

    Your explanation is very nice bro 👍

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 4 місяці тому +25

    The Baby Saga is still better than the Goku Black Saga.

    • @Midnight-MD
      @Midnight-MD 4 місяці тому +4

      Nah

    • @alphawolf7417
      @alphawolf7417 4 місяці тому +1

      Definitely, Black had potential, aaaaand that was about it.

    • @Ambreen-ec1vr
      @Ambreen-ec1vr Місяць тому

      No

    • @renegade595
      @renegade595 12 днів тому

      ​@@Midnight-MDpink super saiyan? Really? You fans were always sus but gotdamn

    • @Midnight-MD
      @Midnight-MD 12 днів тому +1

      @@renegade595 so black still was a good character and saying it’s just a pink super saiyan well in that case ssj2 is just super Saipan with lightning, and ssj3 is just longer hair ssj

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 4 місяці тому +2

    0:04 While Goku asks Bulma to give Uub's family a lot of money so they will never be hungry again so that Uub won't have to worry when being trained by Goku as his apprentice.

  • @Zero_Alter
    @Zero_Alter 15 днів тому

    I don't remember gt very much, but finding this video brought some memories back, so thank you, friend

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 4 місяці тому +6

    Pan should've turned into a Super Saiyan when Geru betrayed her.

    • @nora-yc6fi
      @nora-yc6fi 4 місяці тому +1

      Don't need ssj to be a credible threat and Pan proves that

  • @hunterfoster2610
    @hunterfoster2610 4 місяці тому +1

    I don’t care what anyone says I will always love this no matter what

  • @CeeGill456
    @CeeGill456 4 місяці тому +2

    SmugStick please tell me you are not going to stop at just the Black Star and Baby Saga!!! Please cover GT in its entirety!!!!!

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 4 місяці тому +3

    Watching Piccolo die was really sad. 😢 😭

  • @Athlete1990
    @Athlete1990 3 дні тому

    This arc is c tier at best

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka Місяць тому +1

    Honestly the baby saga is probably the best thing from gt in my opinion.

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 4 місяці тому +1

    0:22 Imagine if Trunks, both future and present, saw the true appearance of Mai being an old lady.

  • @Zycore1
    @Zycore1 4 місяці тому +1

    The art looks so good

  • @mangodango1733
    @mangodango1733 4 місяці тому

    I just rewatched it today and its way better than i remembered also they did the sayain circle before battle of the gods? Thats interesting

  • @emanueleesposti9806
    @emanueleesposti9806 4 місяці тому

    Chi-Chi slapped Baby Goten so hard he traveled a meter.

  • @socialaccount0000
    @socialaccount0000 4 місяці тому +1

    21:01
    Damn, if they had one more saiyan, Baby might've gone Super Saiyan God

  • @joyconboyz9669
    @joyconboyz9669 4 місяці тому +1

    I need to see an Official DBGT DLC for Kakarot like the open world stuff is built for GT and also the updated animations for SSJ4 Goku if they do the baby arc or SSJ4 Gogeta if they do the shadow dragon arc. HECK an entire GT expansion would be awesome.

  • @notreallymavy
    @notreallymavy 4 місяці тому

    I see you’re doing the thing

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 4 місяці тому +2

    Goku must not know that cutting off a Saiyan's tail turns them back to normal.

    • @nora-yc6fi
      @nora-yc6fi 4 місяці тому

      That's... That's how he beats Baby Vegeta... by blasting the tail which forces Baby to leave Vegeta's body

  • @lindsayjakekangaroomouse
    @lindsayjakekangaroomouse 4 місяці тому

    This is My Favorite Saga of all time! I've always loved Baby Vegeta

  • @king-px7dd
    @king-px7dd 28 днів тому

    I watched this as a kid and I forgot almost everything in this series

  • @blazingsonic
    @blazingsonic Місяць тому +2

    If I wrote for Xenoverse 2 I would have Goku Black and Baby would team up.

    • @tashantimothy6180
      @tashantimothy6180 10 днів тому

      That would be a continuity nightmare lol

    • @Lyserg1260
      @Lyserg1260 8 днів тому

      I'm surprised this didn't appear in Heroes yet. So many people want it. Just imagine if they fused into "Baby Vegetto Black"

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 4 місяці тому +3

    One thing I'm confused about Goku's SSJ4 transformation is how Goku got back his armbands, pants and shoes? I mean, he turned into a MASSIVE ape!

    • @fernandocervantes4729
      @fernandocervantes4729 4 місяці тому

      Bro its anime

    • @ProfessorChimpYT
      @ProfessorChimpYT 4 місяці тому

      SSJ4 magic

    • @nora-yc6fi
      @nora-yc6fi 4 місяці тому +1

      I mean do you really want to see a naked adult body ssj4 goku fighting Baby for like 5 episodes?

    • @Lyserg1260
      @Lyserg1260 8 днів тому

      Probably the same kind of magic as Piccolo's clothes beam. I mean SSJ3 randomly loses eyebrows and they magically regrow when Goku turns back. His hair also become shorter again even though it makes no sense. Hair can either grow or fall off, they can't get shorter. So there was always some kind of magic involved.

  • @Nighproductions
    @Nighproductions 4 місяці тому

    idk why but Dbgt is my favorite series

  • @ultimateditto4380
    @ultimateditto4380 4 місяці тому

    I wish Vegeta had gone into space with the trio, having spent most of his life out there under the Frieza Force he could've been the character that drops lore about certain planets or just nelps better navigate the universe. Imagine the realization Vegeta has on Imecka about where they were, leading to a story about how him, Raditz, and Nappa got into serious debt and had to be bailed out by Frieza or something like that.
    Not to mention the jokes regarding his serious nature conflicting with the trios absurd antics at times, or his fear of worms on the meteor.

  • @vast7379
    @vast7379 4 місяці тому

    hey i saw your comment on one of wendigoons videos on a iceberg and you talked about the japanese village (inuyaki village) and i was like HEY I RECOGNIZE THAT GUY HE MAKES WHAT IFS ON DBZ and that brought back my memories of you and saladsaiyan and carthusdojo lmao

  • @Andre-yy3en
    @Andre-yy3en 14 днів тому +1

    12:06 ermm what the sigma 🤓

  • @Cheese-Slime-Sheriff
    @Cheese-Slime-Sheriff 4 місяці тому

    Baby,baby,baby oooohh

  • @KingNexusMOCs
    @KingNexusMOCs 2 дні тому

    "Sometimes called the Black Star Dragon Balls"
    I don't think it's sometimes when it's literally in the name/description..

  • @edpadilla9402
    @edpadilla9402 4 місяці тому +1

    Could You Do What If Satsuki And Ryuko Were Vegeta's Daughters Next Please 🙏

  • @Son_gotenthestrongest
    @Son_gotenthestrongest 15 днів тому

    Post 2:You see baby your not dealing with with the normal kid anymore this is a spirt bomb made of energy of YOUR MOM -goku if was a sevage

  • @Son_gotenthestrongest
    @Son_gotenthestrongest 15 днів тому

    Sigma force,doctor mew😂

  • @dericsippial6893
    @dericsippial6893 2 місяці тому

    I just wish the piccolo fight was a little longer

  • @SaiyanDemon
    @SaiyanDemon 18 днів тому

    Pan is 14 and Bulla is 9 have you forgot that GT (while not canon) takes place 10 years after the end of Z

  • @farisjack7206
    @farisjack7206 4 місяці тому

    "super ultamite sigma"😂

  • @rooneykwami4820
    @rooneykwami4820 Місяць тому

    Dbgt was underrated

  • @mdalimasoomi542
    @mdalimasoomi542 Місяць тому

    Hey bro can you explain DBGT A HERO'S LEGACY please

  • @MegamanElric16
    @MegamanElric16 18 днів тому

    17:27 - 17:34 That's Japan for ya...

  • @megulewu
    @megulewu 4 місяці тому

    Can you do what if Gothen was goku black but like that gothen is still himself and willingly helps Zamasu

  • @tehjboney4249
    @tehjboney4249 4 місяці тому

    I think you should cover the original Dragon Ball manga run and then of course the Z portion of the story.
    Showing actual panels of the story for the new viewers of Dragon Ball to be introduced to the original story and actually be able to digest it better instead of watching the original anime.

  • @nicorios4169
    @nicorios4169 4 місяці тому +3

    Thank you for sparing me from having to watch GT

  • @skibidip123
    @skibidip123 4 місяці тому

    Elllo smug

  • @romasliv
    @romasliv 17 днів тому

    For me GT is canon, idk why people have hate for it

  • @hussmod
    @hussmod 4 місяці тому +1

    What if trunks was the lssj

  • @Rayku_79
    @Rayku_79 4 місяці тому

    Can you plss do what if cell max never happened

  • @dwightnorton3398
    @dwightnorton3398 4 місяці тому +1

    How’s your super year/day

  • @Ssj4gogetagaming
    @Ssj4gogetagaming 16 днів тому

    Baby took vegeta body and now his wife?

  • @koholintisland2167
    @koholintisland2167 2 місяці тому

    Yeah so you all know, this is a dude *talking* about the Baby Saga.
    Not the baby saga itself.

  • @BardockSkywalker
    @BardockSkywalker 4 місяці тому

    I still don't know why Bra looks like she's in her teens despite actually being 8 years old

  • @rch3290
    @rch3290 22 дні тому

    20:49

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 4 місяці тому +1

    Whatever happened to the Red Star Dragon Balls after the Baby Saga?

    • @muigokublack6487
      @muigokublack6487 4 місяці тому

      Piccolo died when the planet blew up and the balls turned to stone to prevent them being used ever again.

    • @alphawolf7417
      @alphawolf7417 4 місяці тому

      Red ones unleashed the Shadow Dragons.

  • @andresperez9301
    @andresperez9301 4 місяці тому

    Smugstick will you continue the Jojo x MCU storyline?

    • @SmugStick
      @SmugStick  4 місяці тому

      Yeah I am doing! Just involves a lot of planning

  • @JonathanGuzman-oj6ln
    @JonathanGuzman-oj6ln 26 днів тому

    Goku is 12 in GT

  • @dgonthatmic2469
    @dgonthatmic2469 Місяць тому

    Wait I'm confused why did baby go to Earth

  • @eugenelennox7689
    @eugenelennox7689 4 місяці тому

    baby saga ve mad

  • @kazi1
    @kazi1 4 місяці тому +2

    Hi

  • @Ryuji468
    @Ryuji468 4 місяці тому +1

    They wasted uub, goten, and pan in gt
    In super they wasted everybody

    • @SmugStick
      @SmugStick  4 місяці тому +1

      I do wish they all got to do a little more. Would have been very cool to see an adult Gotenks and more of Uub

  • @BallTickler167
    @BallTickler167 4 місяці тому

    1;47 NAW NO WAY PAN IS DATING SOMEONE 20 TIMES OLDER THEN HER

  • @ssgssg8874
    @ssgssg8874 4 місяці тому

    Dude idk if you are not watching the manga but we are going past z with goku vegeta and broly and db online has nothing to do with the manga or anime. I’m confused on what you are saying because if you are saying goku and vegeta are done fighting and the manga is done this year then you are wrong because they literally have stated that they would go past z with goku being main character in a panel literally not to long ago

  • @The2345jay
    @The2345jay 4 місяці тому

    The “sigma force” modern day society has ruined this for me😂

  • @Salty010
    @Salty010 10 днів тому

    I still hate this arc leaving gotenks behind😢 stupid who ever decide give 3 char same va🤦‍♂️

  • @emmanuelchavis6999
    @emmanuelchavis6999 4 місяці тому

    You got the girl's name wrong Anneliese

  • @carronhalfpookiehalfhenry
    @carronhalfpookiehalfhenry 2 місяці тому

    Why a 9 y/o on a date. Why is 9 y/o pan bigger than 14 y:o goku

  • @thetruth45678
    @thetruth45678 4 місяці тому

    Mustache....

  • @pocketplayer33
    @pocketplayer33 3 місяці тому +2

    Turning Goku back into a kid was a huge mistake.

    • @SoulsLords
      @SoulsLords 2 місяці тому +2

      I disagree. I like the idea that SSJ4 was so strong that it even overpowers Shenron’s wish magic that turned him to a kid. If he became adult again afterwards, you could no longer make that inference that he is actively overpowering Shenron in that form.

    • @pocketplayer33
      @pocketplayer33 2 місяці тому

      @@SoulsLords Shenron is only as powerful as Kami/Dende, and Goku surpassed Kami in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

    • @SoulsLords
      @SoulsLords 2 місяці тому +1

      I’m talking about the power of the wish itself. Shenron’s an eternal being of mysticism, and yet SSJ4 is that strong that it even surpasses Shenron’s magical ability that otherwise worked.

    • @lukescrew1981
      @lukescrew1981 25 днів тому +1

      No it wasn't

    • @Lyserg1260
      @Lyserg1260 8 днів тому +1

      Kid Goku was always more fun than adult. GT even made him actually kill people just like he did as a kid.

  • @ShubaSayori
    @ShubaSayori 4 місяці тому

    This is a really weird what if

  • @kidgoku4972
    @kidgoku4972 4 місяці тому

    Hi