The Historical Problem of Max Verstappen
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- Max is being talked about again...for THOSE reasons. This vid is a little late (thanks to my immune system), but I wanna see if this is as big an issue as people say it is...
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People whining about Max while in the same breath praising Senna and the Michael will never not be funny.
indeed
Very true. They're all incredibly fast, but horrible wheel-to-wheel racers. Hakkinen, Vettel, Button and Raikkonen are much cleaner and better racers than them(while being nearly as fast).
You can praise all of them for their talent and criticize all of them for racing dirty, one doesn't invalidate the other. I'm not old enough to remember Senna, but when it came to it Schumacher was as dirty as they come and Verstappen takes a lot of pages from his book.
more like prost you mean, who took senna out in 89.
@@quase3 Senna purposely crashed his rival out to win a championships, The whole if your not a racing driver if you no longer go for a gap, was him purposely wrecking Prost for the WT, a year after Prost had essentially done the same thing into the Chicane for the world title.
Schumacher also straight up wrecked an opponent after he went off and was in danger of losing the World championship to him. Just turned right into him. Believe it was Hill he hit.
Even Lewis just straight up would drive people off the track. Lewis's typical MO is beat them to the Apex and then take the line like they don't exist, See for example 2021 Silverstone. Its not a nock on Lewis, its just how 90% of the grid overtakes, and is why we dont see that many wheel to wheel battles, cause no one leaves any space.
You can tell Max has played iRacing
More like Forza
2:20 Can someone talk about how Josh casually read through the FIA's regs ??
@@fjnemohe literally sim races on iracing and is even on a iracing team
Played?
Dude, iRacing is his main job, F1 is just a side hustle
With the exception that he doesn’t drive that dirty on iracing because he knows he won’t get through with it
IT HAPPENED AT HUNGARY!!!! WHAT DID YOU DO JOSH!?!?!?!?!?
Watching this and the comments and only 2 days later max does a dangerous overtake
I’m sure Josh will leach off the corpse of Redbulls decline for months to come. The INSTANT RB isn’t dominant the vultures swoop in to rag on Max, forgetting that 90% of the best racing moments in the last 5 years involve Max.
@@arowefilms Yeah the audacity of Max to make a mistake or screw up an overtake, he’s only allowed to finish 30 seconds ahead of the field if he doesn’t want to be called “dirty” or “dangerous”
@scottmeredith3359 what makes u say that? 😂
@@scottmeredith3359 issue is more that he never owns his mistakes.
I've been watching F1 since 93. This was nothing out of the ordinary. People (and especially the media) have a convinient memory
It's like slap into face rather than piledriver, just slightest contact and yeah some move undrr braking and people went mad like max purposely ram norris
you've been watching since 21 tho tell the truth.
If it was Alonso he would have gotten a race ban to be honest.
Alonso would never have let Noris get alongside. He's actually quite good at defending.
Absolutely. You can make a compilation of "questionable defensive driving" out of anyone who has a hundred races. Including Lewis. ESPECIALLY LEWIS. Max/Lewis without their edge is just Lando Norris or any other alien-paced guy who is just happy to be there
"only british drivers" just watch every Verstappen battle with Leclerc in 2019
Yeah it’s not because they’re British, it’s just because the people who tend to be racing him
Like Austria 2019 where he divebombed and rammed Leclerc off the track?
What else, just Silverstone was clean. Wow, 50%! 👏👏👏
@@paperplane-db8qf Didnt Leclerc push Max off the track in Silverstone? aswell as erratic driving in the braking zone from Charles
Don't forget the 2018 raging bull of verstappen charging vettel in red ferrari and obliterating his championship fight against hamilton to the shadow realm not just once but many time.
@@santos4004 Vettel ruined his championship by himself in Hockenheim
Little Inchident
Apparently UA-cam/Google can translate Monegasque
@@miscellaneoussarnian5282 isn't it just french with a few extra steps??
nuthin seryous!
EXHIBIT A
Cant wait for an update on this after the Hungarian GP.
This video aged well.
Yeah once again max proved he lacks wheel to wheel skills
@@xenolith3053 He locked up but Lewis also turned into him like he has done so so many times before to so many other drivers, exact same way.
@@kristoffer3000turning into the corner and u don’t blame the one who brakes late and locks up😂
@@kristoffer3000 So you expect Lewis to continue going straight?... he was taking a pretty wide turn in .... why would he voluntarily run off to let max through??!!
@@kristoffer3000 now here's an insane dogwater take.
I don’t think Max races British drivers different. I think British drivers get treated different by the FIA and media.
You're opening yourself up to some heat here lol but I agree
When was Max ever punished? He got protection all over FIA and if he is punished.... then with a penalty that does not hurt him. It's so obvious at this point.
That's true. But it's also true that if he pulled the stunts he pulled in 2021 in any season before or after, he would have been issued a race ban. He was far over the limit in 2021. The only reason F1 let things go the way they went, was because of the entertainment value of it. It was one of the worst seasons per racing standards in recent years and whether you're a Max fan or not, you'll have to be extremely biassed to not admit that he crossed the line multiple times, especially in Brazil and Saudi
The best example is the unbelievably exhausting amount of videos and articles in the British media over the last two weeks about Hamilton's victory at Silverstone.
Agreed (completely).
this video has really aged well lol
Yep. Flawless when he's got a *rocketship.* Reckless when he's got to overtake or defend against cars on the same level.
Do you read the comments before you make your point that 1000 others have said before you, or are you too clever for that?
@@ozzizgod first day on youtube?
@@hyphenationmedia so, are you lazy or stupid?
@@Euclides287 You mean ruthless, there's a difference.
The reason people "overracted" is because they knew he would do it again and again until they bring in a rule, we are getting in early this time. It was much worse at Hungary what do you think it will be like in the next race or 2.
This is the most attention for the littlest contact this sport has ever seen.
Did you watch the video? It outlines a whole decade of shit behaviour from Max and ONLY him. The entire sport takes place within the white lines if you push people out of them you must be punished, if you overtake outside of them you must be punished that is the rules. He collides with people for no fucking reason because he is a sore loser.
It is more about why it happened rather what happened since there is precedent, not only max they are all in it playing the same game
@@kurtpeil8433 The direct reason was that Verstappen took area he deemed to be safe to take at the same time Lando thought he won't budge no matter what. The situation had nothing to do with Max being dirty or really anything, and this video opened with a dramatization of a situation that happens in every single race.
One was a brit and the other wasn't. That's enough for these nationalists to milk it for all its worth...
@@kwizzledizzle4513 Revell is a Kiwi bro go somewhere else if you want to feign outrage
Wendy's has a salad bar? Is it 1991 again?
Yea people are softer I'm sorry it's the truth.
I was wondering the same thing
#George Carlin 😊
Maybe in NZ lmao here they barely even make real food
Who Is Wendy?
To also quote Carl Johnson: Ah s**t, here we go again.
Who's here after it happened again after Hungary? 🤣
Me! 😂
go watch austria lap 59 and compare it to hungary 63 and you have your answer.
@@youbetu18 what do you mean?
@@e.f7598 have you looked at it?
Really, Hungary? It's like we're not watching the same sport...
to say 'the old max is back' or anything like it is stupid. Vettel did exactly the same a couple of years back as max did in austria, better yet vettel pushed hamilton fully onto the kerb. Lando just didn't let himself get 'bullied' on track, thus resulting in the crash. It's a racing incident in the end, because both parties could've done something to avoid contact.
I just think its funny that Everyones like Lando mailing it up the inside from way to far back, missing the apex, essentially forcing max to stop or drive off the track is fair. Like a crash was always going to happen when Max defends like his life depends on it, and Lando was just sending it up the inside at every chance into turn 3.
Landos overtaking was clumsy and looked like Max from 2016. Max's defense was normal for most drivers, Lando just refused to yield leading to the contact.
Only the biased Engels will say that like Grofty and Hill.
I think Carlos did the same thing to some other driver in the same race and the other car went on the kerb...
Lewis's line in Silverstone with Charles... and how many drivers went side by side in Monza while Lewis just forced Max on the Kerb...
I'm not a huge max fan. But it's just annoying that the media is so bias to British drivers.
And I really like drivers like Norris, Vettel, Kubica, Carlos, Charles, but team LH will always say you're just some crazy max fan...
most crashes can be avoided by both* of the drivers, unless you're rear ended by someone. I don't think that's what constitutes a racing incident
*edit: said one of the drivers, but meant to say both.
@@DevinEMILE I think it has to be acknowledged that Lando's clumsy overtaking seemed to be a direct response to Max's moving in the braking. In the sprint race we saw a clean overtake from Lando in that same corner, and it looked as though he was going to do the same again in the grand prix before Max cut in front of him at the last minute, forcing him to back out. From then on, every move Lando made had to be so late Max couldn't possibly have time to react (see his first divebomb, where Max again twitched in the braking zone to cut in front, but realised if he did Lando was too committed to stop so kept left). It's not a justification of Lando's driving, but if someone's going to defend beyond the boundaries, the only way to overtake them is to go beyond the boundaries too (or hope the FIA actually penalise them for it but fat chance that's ever happening if there's no contact), and when 2 drivers are both doing that, it's inevitably going to end in an incident.
Who’s here after Hungary? Presumably all the max fans still gonna argue because he’s never to blame for anything.
No, he was to blame. Speak for yourself.
I'm right here and I just commented on the video being made too early 😂😂😂
Huge max fan here, been a fan since 2016, his conduct was embarrassing, however that is sadly how it goes with every driver that becomes this dominant.
Max's little shunts pale in comparison to Schumi and Senna and how they intentionally rammed people off, hell, Schumi was stripped of an entire season's points for his unsportsmanlike conduct, and I loved him too, growing up.
The best are ruthless, it doesn't excuse their behaviour, though.
@@MCDesign199as you said schumi was reprimanded nothing ever happens to max
@@Umar-gw6fyI think that is a big part of the problem. If you are ruthless and pushing the limits, you're not going to stop going over the limit if they don't do anything.
I was born in 1997, the same year as Max incidentally.
Verstappen, Hamilton, Alonso, Schumacher and Hakkinen have been the top five best drivers I've watched.
With the exception of Mika, they were all uncompromising, ruthless and domineering.
And of all the drivers that Michael Schumacher raced against, Mika Hakkinen was the only one he truly feared.
It is an injustice to put Hamilton and Alonso (even Verstappen to an extent) at the same level of dirty driving as Schumacher
@@airshipflea5219 I didn't say they were all dirty drivers? I said they were all uncompromising, ruthless and domineering. They did that in different ways.
If you think Hakkinen wasn't as hard-driving as the others, you haven't been paying attention. :) But his heavy crash in 1995 affected him deeply, and changed his approach.
"Best driver" should include the ability to race. Verstappen does not belong on that list.
Well this video aged well…
The thing you forgot to mention about Saudi 2021 is Max had to give the position back to Lewis for leaving the track and gaining an advantage (a harsher penalty than the warning Max received in Brazil). Mercedes NEVER told Lewis that Max was going to be giving the position back, so Lewis thought Max was ONLY DRS Hunting, causing Lewis to ride the back of Max, puting himself in a position to be brake checked (Think Vettel at Baku 2017. Vettel put himself in that spot). That incident has 3 people of equal blame. Max for driving in an unsafe manner, Mercedes for never informing Lewis that max had to give back the position, and the FIA for setting up the track in a way that allows DRS hunting.
Meh, if you give a position back, you don't do it by braking while on the racing line with someone directly behind you.
@rickyspanish4792 meh, Max wasn't on the racing line. He was in the middle of the track and pulling to the inside for a left hander.
“You stayed behind me therefore you’re equally responsible for me brake checking you”
No.
@@rickyspanish4792Hamilton slowed down behind Verstappen and it took 4-5 full seconds for him to make contact with the rear of the car. It wasn't really unsafe, Hamilton was just confused.
And that justifies his break check how?
There was a car directly behind him and he slammed on the brakes while no where near a corner. It doesn't matter if he was off the racing line or not.
Also Hamilton didn't break test Vettel in Baku we literally have the telemetry.
I think max definitely plays forza from time to time
His driving style was crafted in forza open lobbies
Probably doesn’t even touch the brake into the first turn either
no he plays iracing and is even on an esports team
@@ZIGAG1999 this is a joke directed towards players of the Microsoft Game studios racing game series Forza Horizon & Motorsport
[insert shoehorned joke about his driving style being "built from the ground up" here]
Waiting for the comment section to kick off
Josh is telling us about the Kiwis having a bloody salad bar at Wendy's, it's all kicking off, New Zealand 🇳🇿 vs Canada 🇨🇦
🫣🙃 Straight to war
@@AndrewGeierMelons That would be one of the most polite wars ever.
@@EatsLikeADuck not if they don't give us the Wendy's salad bars! Wendy's Canada has only one vegetarian option; the plain baked potato. It's horrible.
waiting for the RPM one liners
I wonder how this discussion would’ve gone had Max not dodged Norris multiple spectacularly bad divebombs during that same race.
There would be a Norris regulation perhaps 😂😂
We'd be talking about Lando, whats your point.. However, that didn't happen did it, so we're not talking about it.
Going over the limits is celebrated in F1 when it works and criticised when it doesn't. Its wierd but its perfectly fine for it to be that way.
Multiple? You mean 1 divebomb? If you're going to make a defence of someone, at least make the facts right and not make it up to just suit your narrative 😂 And let's not forget that although the divebomb wasn't exactly the best overtaking attempt there has ever been, this did come after Max had already moved in the braking phase several times already. Verstappen is a generational talent but it doesn't mean he isn't unnecessarily aggressive when he's defending or overtaking at times. Red Bull are to blame too as they never criticise their star drivers, only deflect the issues at hand as someone else's fault all the while.
Cry harder Max haters.
@@mikey3gt292 Womp womp
This aged REALLY well
LMAOOOOOOO THE TIMING IS IMMACULATE. people who’ve been watching f1 for the last ten years know, there’s a reason why he’s crashtappen and why just because he’s been clear off late doesn’t mean all the shit he’s pulled back in the day is forgotten.
Max is faster than the comment section
Tu Tu Du Du
No he's not, he just moves under braking so nobody can get past
Wrong, i can spew bullshit quicker than anyone 😎
@@maxholmgren7936 You do realise I was joking, right? 🤣
@@GryphLane nah I didn't, I'm a fool (or just a Verstappen meatrider who can't understand sarcasm). I'mma delete my earlier comment now to avoid self-embarrassment
People want "hard racing" but cry over this
Then the Senna/Prost years will make them cry like(and pardon my French) a bunch of sissies
Hard racing is not wrecking other cars in open wheelers.... This isn't stock car racing. Hard racing is two car's making it to the line. Wrecking each other is stupidity
@@Skreezilla Hard racing is wheel to wheel combat, with the risk of wrecks and incidents. If you want hard racing, you have to be ok with occasional contact and rules being pushed
@@cylindricalfire Then people need to stfu about silverstone 21. That was hard racing too.
@@altair2105 💀
I honestly couldn't care less about Max's racing style (anymore, when he was younger it was too much).
What I am absolutely SICK of, is this "my corner" bullshit.
Please, for the love of god, the FIA MUST address this. Since when do drivers just feel entitled to take the entire track to themselves because they're on the inside? Who the hell came up with that idea, and why is NO ONE talking about it? Hell, I see a lot of people PRAISING drivers for squeezing their opponent out.
WTF? NO! ABSOLUTELY NOT. If your opponent is significantly along side (my idea of that being front wheel fully along side back wheel) YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THEM SPACE. FULL STOP, END OF DISCUSSION.
THIS is 90% of the reason the racing is destroyed.
Agree.
👏
The worst rule in F1,definitly
You speak the truth but when fanboys' respective favourite driver "has that corner" they will tell you stfu with your valid logic
dude that's just stupid, car on the inside has the corner and it have the right to run you off track in all serise but f1
"Holy shit, 2 f1 drivers slightly pissed eachother off, thats the biggest story line ever" meanwhile in nascar 2 guys wrecking eachother is nothing insanely special
No one care about Nascar 🤷♂️
Well yeah nascar is a contact motorsport that’s why they drive those big bulky monsters lol. Not shitting on it either, well other than their artificial caution BS
Well, Formula 1 drivers are racing drivers, NASCAR drivers are use- and worthless as racers.
a nascar car cost 600,000 dollar at beat, a F1 car cost 140 millions dollars at worse
a single crash in F1 can cost more than a whole car of Nascar
an F1 front wing is like 40% of a nascar car, an underbody is a whole ass car + spares
see the difference?
Yeah because we dont expect it from the best drivers in the world nascar drivers are glorified FLT drivers
this aged nicely post 2024 Hungarian GP
What, you’ve never seen someone lock up trying to out brake another car? Surely has never happened in F1 before, we need a video about it. Total nothing-burger but Max did it so it’s a war crime
@@scottmeredith3359 its not even about that specific instance. its overall when hes in a slower car
@@scottmeredith3359Lol your idol can't drive for shit if he isn't 30 secs ahead of the pack.
No podium at spa. No much for the hype 😝
the comment section is about what i expected
Yep lol
I like a lot of Josh's content, and I think he's a really entertaining commentary creator, but listening to this video, it felt a bit baity, I'll admit.
Make a bad video and you'll get the deserved criticism, very disappointed in Josh
As in the criticism was too much or not enough? This video didn't seem to have aged well looking at Hungary and Max's demonds of the past seem to have come out in the full extent.
@@staszewaM Exactly
Red Bull needs to get it together.
@@ivorojvar hahahahaha a bad video because he criticised your favourite driver? I was saying all this shit while Max was being a little cunt back in 2021 - the only bad thing about people talking about Max's poor driving standards when he's challenged now is that it's taken so long for people to openly talk about it.
This aged incredibly well.
As easy as it is to point a finger at FIA these days, I appreciate someone pointing out that they have been trying to make Liberty's work selling F1 as spectacle rather than sport easier and Max has benefitted from it heavily.
Are you serious? F1 has always been more spectacle than sport. and even today its more of a sport than its ever been. Please go back and watch some of the races from the 80s where in most races more than a quarter of the grid didnt finish each race purely due to mechanical failures. Ya very sporting indeed.
@@mattg9971 it's a constructor's sport - mechanical DNFs are on the team and detract from their points tally.
Ignoring the rules to finish the final race of the championship under green flag or not punishing Jeddah and Brazil '21 - that's on FIA, human error or not.
Athletic interest has an amazing analisys on how crashes have been selling the sport about as much as DtS, and financial interest a certain FIA president has in F1's success is undeniable.
F1 fans are simple
“We want hard rough racing”
Driver races kind of hard
“Ban him!!!”
2005-2006 Imola Schumacher-Alonso battle, 2018 Monza Raikkonen-Hamilton battle.
High Intensity, Attack and Defend, Back and Forth, Clean, Zero Casualty, Legendary
Yes, It can happen. It is absolutely can. Just not with this dirtbag Max.
You forgot to add 'clean' to that
"ran out wide to czechia" i mean when norris divebombs with no regard of going actually side by side what is he supposed to do?
Those mental gymnastics tho
People won’t comment on Norris’s reckless divebombs cause Max actually moved to not crash
ikr, norris came from 2 zipcodes away and veers outside. max had nowhere else to go but run wide to avoid collision
I mean didn't max do the exact same move against le clerc at the same track and same corner for the race win in 2019?
Dive bomb to force le clerc wide. 🤷♂️
@@upursprimark Exactly. I don't like it but the precedent these days seems to be as long as you stay on the track you can force the other driver off and they have to yield. It's not Max running wide that breaks that, it's him flooring it off the track and retaking the position. Personally I'm fine with that as he got forced off but most drivers get penalised for it (the only other exception I can think of is Hamilton lap 1 of Abu Dhabi 2021)
The timing of this video is crazy, literally 3 days later max has just hit lewis while locking up in a divebomb.
Phrase it right: Lewis hit Max, he could’ve avoided it but since it wasn’t going to be his fault, he kept steering.
@GR1338 it's on the overtaking driver to complete the move safely. Do you think Max steered into Lewis at Silverstone?
But, I do believe Lewis would have avoided any other driver on the grid...
@RacingAnt I agree that Hungary was max fault. He was out of control. I see it as an honest mistake caused by frustration tho and don't understand the hate.
But what frustrates me lost is how heavily defended lando was in austria with his divebombs, people even blaming max for avoiding him and then staying ahead by evading into the run off.
I bet my life that if max had steered into lando like lewis "steered into max" that nobody would have defended max nor blamed lando
@@squeakybunny2776 Oh please, Lando made a scrappy move because Max was moving under braking, Lando had the choice between scrappy vs being stuck behind due to illegal moves
Max's rear axle hit Lewis' front axle. It's like you're watching a completely different sport 💀
"that guy lives in brazil" - you filled me with hope for our species in that one line right at the end.
Josh would literally be working at Kmart if it wasn’t for Bernie
My lord this aged SO well
9:30 I'm not a Verstappen fan, but there's absolutely no way Max was at fault there lol.
Lando sent his move from the damn Moon, parked his car halfway across the track before turning in, and the only way Max could have avoided going off-track was by coming to a literal stop. What else do you want him to do? Slam into Lando's sidepod, like Rosberg did to Hamilton back in Austria 2016 (and coincidentally, at the same turn)?
Nobody is saying that he was wrong to leave the track. But it is wrong to gain positions or defend off track
@@TheMoikero It is also wrong to gain a position by forcing your opponent off the track. In most racing categories, a move is not considered legitimate if you force your opponent off the racing surface.
This is exactly what Max did to Leclerc in 2019 and he kept the place
@@Duval-In-The-Wall If Charles did what Max did and went off track before the sausage kerb, instead of committing to defending and hitting it, he likely would have also gotten away with it.
@@salkdhfpoahergpoahre1534
Yeah Leclerc got punished for not track extending, pretty funny
This video aged quite decently
This aged like fine wine.
And again, and again, and again, and again...
'A Forest' by The Cure, such a great and climatic song!
This aged interestingly
Add Hungary to this now lol
Wonder if all the people crying about this vid are going to come back here after today...
I think we know the answer :)
I'm here after the Hungarian GP😭😭
Its like he called it because verstappen did it again in hungary
Did what? Locked up on the inside and screwed up an overtake while the other driver turns in like 10 meters early?
@@scottmeredith3359 Give your head a wobble
Max doesn't drive differently against British drivers. It's just that British media respond differently when British drivers are outsmarted, outperformed and outclassed on a race to race basis and explode into a hissy fit at the meagerest of opportunities.
“Outclassed and outperformed” is a weird way to spell Max is a dirty driver. That’s one part of the video I disagreed with, when Josh said that “it’s unfair to call Max dirty”. It’s absolutely fair to call him dirty and the only reason he seemed to get less dirty is because his car is faster than everyone else’s
@fizzyboy08 let's be real: No multiple champion (yes it's true) except Häkkinen won these championships by racing clean all the time. They all did dirty stuff when they needed to and/or it suited their purpose. And most of the time, they did not get away with it very well. Two of the biggest examples are Senna's '89 and Schumacher's '97 disqualifications. Just as the old say goes: "nice guys always finish 2nd". Ask Mark Martin
Moving in the braking zone is not outsmarted or outperformed. Its simply cheating. Max is not smarter and he isnt a better racer, he is just a filthy cheat and the stewards let him get away with it.
@@Lord_Lambert You guys whining about moving in the braking zone have no clue what you even mean when you say it. Max used to make 2-3 defensive moves under braking in the past (see his defense against Kimi in turn 2 at Hungary or against Lewis going into the final Chicane in Suzuka) and got reprimanded for it, but nothing he did in Austria was out of bounds. The final contact was such a nothing move that was super tame in comparison to defenses in that corner in the past, it just happened that the consequences for such a minor bit of contact wound up being massive.
I don't think either driver did anything egregious, but if you're complaining about Max's defense and not also criticizing the moves Lando made up the inside, then you aren't arguing in good faith.
@@fizzyboy08 Keep coping brother
The best part about Hungary: it was Max's back tire that went over Lewis' front tire. Lewis was completely right - saw Max coming up the inside, left racing room, and Max just flat out WAY overcooked that entry. Hello physics. That one is ALL on Max. BTW, I am a Max Versappen fan.😮
Lewis could have waited to turn in, he knew Max was never making that corner.
Anyone here after Hungary? This man is a wizard
Is insane how Josh uploads this video and instantly Max threw his car on Hamilton on the Hungarian GP.
It was since 2-3 years that we are seeing this part of Max: inmature racer. With that actitude is when you know that he isn't mentally ready when your car isn't the top of the line and the one car to beat.
Anyone back here after Hungary?
What's funny about Max's defensive style is that if he drove in IndyCar, he would get a penalty for it every time, even if there was no contact. This isn't even a bias, it's literally in IndyCar's rulebook.
Indycar sucks anyway, so why bother to mention it?
@@EntropicExergyshut up
@@robywhenthe No, you take your own advice and follow it. It's called freedom of speech. So yeah, Indycar suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks and there is nothing you can do about me saying it.
@@robywhenthe Not a chance in heck, it's called freedom of speech. Indycar suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks and there is nothing you can do about me saying it.
@@robywhenthe Hahahahahahahahaha, nope. Freedom of speech allows me to say this and there is nothing you can do about it. Indycar sucks, F1 is way better.
Ironic that Max is arguing that Lewis moved under braking in Hungary
That's what irritates me about Max. Not the hard racing, not pushing the limits, it's that he bitches when other drivers do the same to him.
But we just spent a couple weeks hearing that moving under braking (constantly confused for moving THEN braking) is a crime punishable by death… so surely you should be thrilled Max recognizes it as unacceptable right?
@@scottmeredith3359HE WAS TURNING FOR THE CORNER, WHICH WAS RIGHT THERE.
Crashstappen fans don't know anything about simple driving as usual
@@scottmeredith3359 1. Lewis was turning for the corner
2. You can't make move under braking for YEARS, and then the moment something like that (not actually that) happens to you, you can't complain about it
Who’s here after Hungary
"Michael Schumacher didn't win 6 World Championships by driving like a Christian motorist. David Coulthard on the other hand, he's got fish symbol painted on the side of his car, and it also writes Church of England (C of E) on it." (Jeremy Clarkson, 2004)
No serial WDC winner (maybe except Hakkinen), be it Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton or Verstappen, have won championships by completely clean and fair driving.
As for the role the FIA should play in sanctioning and punishing such actions?
"It's called a motor race, okay? We went car racing." (Michael Masi, 2021)
Maybe this is the reality of F1 racing? In fact, F1 driving today has been much more sterile compared to the 80s, 90s and 00s, back when F1 was also much deadlier, btw
P.S. British media must be the most unbearable specimen in the Universe with their hypocrisy. When Hamilton does it, he is heroic. When a non-British driver does it, it's dirty driving. Alonso was right with the British-bias in F1 (he should've known it all at McLaren 2007).
People hate hard racing apparently. They’d have a heart attack if they ever watched any other series. I was watching Indy NXT at Laguna Seca where there was a battle for position and 1 driver was sent flying through corkscrew. I watched RX in Cape Town a few years back where there was more touching and banging than a full on porno, were the crowd calling for the drivers head? Of course not, they wanted more. If people watched karting they’d have a heart attack, I used to race for a bit when I was young and I can’t even tell you how many times we all were called to the Clarke of the course. I just wonder how or why F1 should be different when it has the safest car ever made. It’s been designed to be in hard crashes like Grojeans and he got out with a burnt hand.
Häkkinen was the cleanest racer that's ever been a champion. Not having crashes with Schumacher while battling him for a championship more than one year is unbelievable
@@honeybadger1656The only reason I can think of is that outside of the safety cell, F1 cars are comparatively made out of glass. Any sort of side-to-side contact has a good chance of damaging the floor enough to significantly reduce performance, and people expect the drivers to race each other around that fragility. Spoilers, racers like to _race,_ even if it risks catastrophic damage to their car.
Sidenote, I'd argue that a current Indycar is slightly safer than an F1 car, purely because it's designed to make flying into a catch fence at 220+ survivable. I'm pretty sure the sheer strength of that survival cell is half the reason they're almost as heavy as an F1 car despite being significantly smaller overall.
That Masi quote just shows how much a scummy little guido he is, he was incompetent in his previous job and he was incompetent at Abu Dhabi.
When has Alonso crashed into a title rival?
9:27 sorry ummm where else is he supposed to go? If you’re two wide at the apex the inside driver needs to make the corner on an inside line all the way to the exit. Complete non-incident. The idea of Max deserving a penalty for that is a bit absurd.
Legitimate take on the actual collision. Spot on.
What about what happened before? Or what happens immediately afterwards?
Cherry picking frames might be good for TikTok, not so much for pretending to be impartial
IT HAS HAPPENED AGAIN
What, Lando locking up under braking during a dive bomb and nobody batting an eye? Oh wait MAX DID THE SAME THING, this is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE!!
@@scottmeredith3359Maxipad can't drive for shit lolololol
I wonder how poorly comments from a few days ago have aged after Hungary today.
Well, there is one guy who is blaming Hamilton and not Max for the Hungarian crash, stating that Lewis was driving 'erratically'. He must be talking about a different year, right?... Right?
Why is everyone in these comments acting like a lockup and messing up an overtake has never happened before? Oh wait, because it’s Max… so you either have to complain he’s finishing 30 seconds ahead of the field or complain he failed to overtake someone or complain that someone couldn’t overtake him, any of which are completely unprecedented and require immediate FIA intervention
@@scottmeredith3359 Well, because normally those who lock up like this and mess an overtake admit to making a mistake or simply clasify it as a 'racing incident' with no clear causer, instead of blaming it on the other driver like Max was/is.
How Verstappen didn’t get a race ban for that break check in Saudi I’ll never know, his driving standards that day were abysmal
max did not back off in saudi to try and get the drs, he had previously overtaken hamilton off track and the team asked him to give back the position, mercedes knew this aswell but didnt give the memo to lewis, which made confused about what was happening.
kinda really weird how you completely missed that, normally youre quite on the nose with these type of things. giving max the full blame here when he was trying to let lewis pass so he wouldnt get a penalty and lewis quite literally driving into the back off him confused with whats going on. very strange take
@@TankTop_Thomas kinda weird how you pretend Merc were able to inform Lewis when the brake check that deserved a black flag and a race ban happened before Mercedes were even informed of the instruction to let Lewis by. Max deserves 100% of the blame and not a single fraction less, because it is ENTIRELY that self serving dirty driving frauds fault.
@@TankTop_Thomas Almost as though he's trying to push a narrative and facts get in the way of doing that so they're left out
@@TankTop_ThomasUtter bullshit when the car metrics showed Mad Max braking to brake check him
@@danielchettiar5670 he brake checked 300 meters in front him to let him by?
Josh and his ability to have videos timed perfectly or awfully 💀
Excuse me, but being dive bombed into by Lando and Max trying to dodge that is not driving into Czechia
Lot of them do it because you can interpret these rules like you want and as long as no one says nothing it will keep happening
The 2021 season - and this isn't about saying whether Max or Lewis should have won that one - highlighted how incredibly inconsistent the FIA has been in applying the rules for years. It was just very noticable there, because it was literally the decider of the world championship. You'll find people to this day saying that Max should have been punished more for the crash at Monza, and Lewis more for putting Max into the wall at Silverstone, depending on which camp they're in. In any sport, the arbiters will forever be the target of scorn and ridicule, fair or not. That said, the FIA are worse at it than most and it would be nice if they cleaned up their act and finally implemented a system to at least be consistent about how they apply penalties.
Nah the FIA were very consistent in 2021; consistently favouring Max Verstappen.
@@Lord_Lambert regarded as af take, holy shit
Anybody here after Hungary?
Me
Almost all the other drivers, including Norris him self said already after that race weekend in Austria, that Max did absolutly nothing wrong, it was just hard , but fair racing.. .. And they published both drivers their telementry's, and even Johnny Herbert (one of the stewards that particulair race) staded that there was actually no evidence on Max his onboard what so ever, about his suspected movement in his breaking zone.. So the stewards felt they had to set an example, because the thought Max was very intimedating toward Norris, so that was actually the reason why they penalized him..But actually Max was the one who avoided an collision several times during this particulare race and the previos race in Barcelona at the start where Norris pushed Max in to the grass.. Max hasn't changed, but apparently some drivers think that if they have to compete with Max.they do must drive extra aggressivlyto try to beat Max.. But apperantly some other drivers still underestimating Max, because they can't intimidate Max..The had only four collisions with an another competitors in the last three seasons was suprisingly all with three British drivers (Russell in Baku 2023, and Las Vegas 2023, both: Russell's fault. Hamilton at Interlagos 2022, and Norris in Austia 2024).
Only showing what “British” media had to say and not showing how the rest of grid saw this
And what did “the rest of the grid” have to say about this
@@fluent4530most of the grid said it was just a racing incident….
@@honeybadger1656most media didn't say anything like that
@@Chris-nw6ws and you trust everything the media says?
@@honeybadger1656 The FIA gave Max a penalty, so that was the stance most media outlets took. It's not that hard to understand why
Ironic that he recreated that thumbnail 😂
Max is an absolutely phenomenonal driver don't get me wrong, but when he doesn't have the best car and he has to genuinely defend from someone he has always been known to be extremely aggressive and sometimes dangerous
9:25 He was quite clearly pushed off and if he hadn't moved off it would have caused a collision right then.
aint no way Josh posting this at 4am in his local time. the grind is real
Honestly, that crashed in Austria was just inevitable. The way both of them were driving.
2054 is a bit optimistic isn't it? I still can't watch Abu Dhabi for fear of launching my PC, monitor and all connected peripherals out of my window, without opening the window.
Funny, I can’t watch it without recalling the most exciting 2 minutes of Formula One I’ve ever seen live. The fact it felt like karma for Silverstone 21 is just the icing on the cake ❤
@@scottmeredith3359 It was either hyperbole, or I have a glazier on retainer and a very expensive home maintenance bill :D.
Seriously, though, I'm over it. It was an exciting, if somewhat controversial season. It will definitely live long in the memory, for whatever reason.
@@scottmeredith3359 LMFAO, what was Saudi? Brazil? Imola? Monza (Twice)? Or like 5 other races then for you? Or were you just happy that F1 had a "white saviour"?
Saudi wasnt DRS hunting. Max was asked to let Hamilton through, that's why he went on the brakes. Bono hadn't told hamilton that max would slow down as well. I feel as if it's a little unfair to give him full blame, whilst he should take some blame.
You can tell in Max's attitude and actions off the track that he would drive like this on the track. I was a red bull fan and a fan of his since i got into the sport in 2021. Its impossible at this point to support Max. He will not race anyone wheel to wheel and would rather force a wreck than be beaten wheel to wheel.
How does nobody remember when Max tried to pass Massa (Williams) at turn one in Monza?!?!?!
Watching this after Hungary and oh boy
Back after Hungary where it is getting even worse
I'm sorry but trying to blame Lewis claiming he was playing DRS games in Saudi is disingenuous. Max had ran off the road at turn 1 twice already, had been given a penalty and ordered to cede position. Listen to the radio comms. GP literally says to do it smartly/intelligently. That means do it at the last corner and then re-pass with DRS.
Which isn't even allowed. You can't cede position and then re-pass at the first possible opportunity. Lewis did that at Spa in 2008 when a rule didn't even exist and he still got penalised.
So why didn't Lewis just let Max re-pass if it wasn't legal anyways and would result in a penalty? Because Michael Masi had let Max get away with so much in that race and Brazil, Max had ran him off at T1 twice already, would you trust that Max wouldn't do something like that again? Would you trust that if he did pass illegally that the FIA would penalise him for it?
Fuck that. Max's driving in Saudi is the worst I've ever seen. He should have been disqualified from the Saudi race and banned for at least one race. But DTS was alive, so instead we got them sweeping it under the rug and somehow finding something even more controversial in Abu Dhabi. A joke season.
It’s not an accident. When Max is racing, he has a mentality of “ if you do not yield, we will crash” and he wants the other drivers to know that. It’s a warning. And this goes for both when somebody is trying to overtake him and when he is trying to overtake someone else. it’s clear that he never matured out of his Crashstappen ‘phase’. The other teams simply didn’t have a car to compete so he has not had the opportunity to race anybody at the front again until now, and the moment he did he was back to his old tricks.
In Austria I hadn’t even gotten past my anger at him gaining position off track and not returning it and then they crashed! Seeing how he then still didn’t even stop, and was pulling nasty out of order moves even while their cars were trashed, just shows his mentality. He’s a dirty driver who will win by any means necessary, but it’s not surprising when you know what his upbringing was like. Monsters create monsters.
FIA needs to finally become fair.
You can't give 2 license penalty points to Alonso for a racing incident and give Max 10s for Austria.
You can't give Magnusen license penalty points left and right up until his close to the race ban and then stop giving him penalties.
You can't keep pretending that the outcome of an incident and the drivers involved aren't affecting the penalties given and for similar thing you give drastically different penalties.
Max is playing with the limits, and even if I don't like him as a driver I respect him and I can't blame him for the stupidity of the stuards and FIA
Nice video. It was well scripted!
Most people that shriek over the slightest hard racing or light contact in F1 would be in tears after watching 1 lap of Nascar at Bristol or Darlington.
Max lives rent free
Week in week out 😂
Free.
People talk about the F1 WDC leader? wild...
That's not how that works.
Waiting for for Michael The Torpedo Schumacher to come back, would love seeing him race side by side with Max The Widerunner Verstappen. I bet The Torpedo would point his car's nose exactly towards the survival cell of The Widerunner. It will be utter utter chaos between the two biggest manchilds of F1. I would pay good money to see that demolition derby.
Considering he probably owns his house, yeh
Lewis and Max are both at fault for trying to avoid DRS line. Max brake checking him was pretty much saying hey pass me because I'm giving you the position and Lewis pretending like he didn't know what was going on as a 7 time champion in 100 + race winner makes no sense in his absolute BS😂😂😂😂
oh boy did this video age well💀
Crazy how this dude is always the villian lmfao
The guy is butt hurt in a heart beat when it is on the other side.
@@marklittle8805 He is not the only one that does that
@@marklittle8805 No multiple world champions are clean drivers (excpet Mika)
@@marklittle8805 you're everywhere. Are you insecure about the fact that Max is better than your favourite driver?
Maybe if he wasnt such a dirty driver he wouldnt be
Who’s here after 2024 Hungary?
Great timing, considering what happened in Hungary today...
Max is a manchild and it really is that simple. You can see it in the way he talks to his team, you can see it in the way he races other drivers, the way he cries relentlessly when other people push the limits of the rules yet seemingly is utterly oblivious to his own infractions. Amazing driver, poor racer, even poorer sport.
If Jeddah is a race ban for Max, then Silverstone was a race ban for Lewis.
I disagree. Max did brake harder intentionally. Whether he knew there would be contact or not isn’t up to me to decide.
Silverstone is 1000% Lewis’ fault, but there is clearly no intent at all. Was just a bad display of driving from Lewis.
TBF I don’t even think Jeddah should be a race ban, was clearly miscommunication, at most a 5 second penalty was warranted
@@jensonristevski dude max was already slowing down why didnt lewis just go by??what if he had some sore of isuss? run into the back of him, had room but choose not too, also no clear intent my ass, he carried more speed on lap 1 lap full fuel tank than any other time in the race....
F1 rules are written in a way that penalise the action and not the outcome. Lewis understeering in a corner is not worth a race ban, but brake checking someone IS a ban
@@fizzyboy08 yet FiA does penalise outcome for example george's crash in Australia,giving 20 seconds penalty to Alonso
Why would Silverstone be a race ban for Lewis when Max is the one to blame for the contact?
Additionally, even if you mistakenly put the blame on Lewis, Jeddah was a DELIBERATE BRAKE CHECK which is so far outside the realm of reasonable and for you to pretend that it is somehow equivalent to a racing incident in Silverstone is beyond delusional.
Max fans proving time and time again how little they know about this sport jfc.
You can tell Josh is a Lando fan lol cause one race and homie creates a video
How things could changed if he was signed in 2017, when Kvyat would eventually lose his seat at the end of 2016 season
hasn't aged well at all...
"He did a Verstappen"
Talks for itself
Josh, you can't... You can't keep doing this Josh, you're scaring me.
I completely disagree with the Saudi ‘21 assessment. Lewis had so much time to overtake, which Max was allowing by driving dozens of kilometres slower and Lewis refused to pass while sitting in his draft for the entire straight. We have no clue what Max was thinking at this point. Drafting a slow moving car is equally as erratic as braking. Lewis should’ve passed, his own team knew he was slowing down to allow the pass. Either pass or don’t. Calling for a ban over that move is soft.
It’s not “soft” to call a ban on break checks lmao, let’s not kid ourselves here. If it wasn’t for Michael Masi and Liberty media pushing F1 more as “entertainment” rather than a sport like they should. Max would’ve 100% got a race ban
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Max was ordered to give back the position to Lewis
No way josh forgot this
Feels like josh a max hater lmfaooo
@@Scuderia-el5yw Being ordered to return a position does not justify brake checking.
@@Lord_Lambert Like I said, Max slowed down for an entire sector driving slowly and Lewis just drafted him and refused to overtake. At that point who knows what Max was thinking. How much slower are you supposed to go? Idk what was going through his head but maybe he made a point of braking cause he literally couldn't go any slower than he already was. Lewis had his own part in the blame by just not passing and making a hassle of the rules.
I’m watching this after the Hungary GP and his dive bomb on Lewis 😂
With all due respect, your profession is making f1 videos, but you don’t know that Max was trying to let Lewis by in Jeddah, because of all the previous incidents. He wasn’t playing drs games, but it still doesn’t justify why he didn’t move off line.
It was proven in the data that he brake tested Lewis
@@Nicksta2006I’m not saying he didn’t.
There is nothing in that move. Heaps of space for lando to drive in.
Lewis never got a penalty for going of during lap 1 of 2021 and gaining a large advantage so max was out of DRS zone.
What goes around comes around.
Max did the same at Saudi
So funny to see how Max is living rent free in the entirety of Brittain😂😂😂