Quick tip, Matt . For the belt, instead of taking it off what I do is simply rotate the buckle to the side or the back of my body. That way all that's at the front is the leather of the belt, which covers the button on my pants.
I like that you're doing the videos in the warehouse, don't change that. I like seeing the behind the scenes with your parents grabbing items for shipping etc. Rather than a bland wall as a background
Forced rotation is a true DA (dual action) as it will oscillate and rotate by driven gears, as oppose to non forced rotation which is only rotating as a REaction to the oscillations.
I you set the speed to around 5 or 6 on the Rupes Mille, you will feel it's runs alot smoother and it's easier to control. Just my experience after using a Flex 3401 as my only mashine for years
New shop is looking amazing. Looks like you’re living out most of our dreams and having a ball ! I’m still in love with the Kränzle package. Never regretted spending the money even for a second. Thanks for making them available and sharing your journey 🤘🏼
Great video, always nice to have a wide variety of polishing machines to goto so you are tooled up for any application. I am working on my collection, so far I have purchased a Rupes 21, 75, and a Nano. Next is a 15.
Good job on the weight loss, dude. You dont know me from Adam, but im proud of you anyway. Always nice to see someone succeeding at making themselves healthier.
I'm really disappointed in myself for taking this long to get this done. Living an obsessed life means certain things get neglected. This is one that should never be put second.
I've been looking at all the Rupes options as I feel a purchase coming on and every video that does not use Rupes cutting compounds complains of the Millie grabbing ..yet you see others use the Millie with yellow pad and rupes yellow compound and it's as smooth as silk. Thank you for taking the time to make this content
I myself find using my 3” more than the 5”. And I have a full size GMC haha. It takes longer but I find it more fun to use. One day I’ll dive into the pneumatic world. Air tools are cool. Thanks again for showing us the product and diving into it. 👍🏻
You’ve certainly got the full set when it comes to Rupes. from Matchbox cars to tools! Yeah Jim White always has a spray bottle of water to damp down the blow out tub. With the forced rotation machines, they’d be really useful on the curved panels where the LHR15 may stall.
As far as the hearing protection goes I think that’s up to you Matt, Think if your detailing a car every day for a living I would recommend wearing hearing protection or noise canceling headphones if you look at Jim White I believe he has noise canceling 🎧. On the bottling line all sorts of PPE is required for us, when you have thousands of glass bottles clanking in each filler room at the rate at 500 bottles a minute. I think on average we’re at about 100 DB In the warehouse, for me when I use my DA I wear headphones and listen to low 🎵 .
I was going to pull the trigger on the Mille today, but after watching this, I'm going to pass. All the talk it takes less energy, less pull than the 3401, well, I just don't see it. I have the 3401 and hate it. The Mille looks like a real pain in the ass to control, and you're not a beginner. On a side note, the pneumatic 15mm looks like a beast! Looks way more powerful/efficient than the electric Rupes MINI.
what I found with force rotation is that you don't really need to apply pressure to the machine, its weight will be enough you almost have to lift up on it. I love my mille but it is definetly a learning curve from a normal DA
Forced rotation is something I only use when I have a quick job. Something that doesn't require me to get the best possible shine but rather to get the best possible results in the shortest possible time. Actually almost all of the time I use it single step only. Just a one pass paint correction. Lets say I want finish a full size station wagon within 6 hours and have it washed prepared and polished and waxed. And that's possible with a forced rotation. Sometimes that's just what you need. I have a Flex VRG3401 though. The kind of customers I am currently talking about are the kind of customers that want you to polish their cars. Are very happy but after a month they already took it to the automated car-wash. Hence no need for a three step paint correction. What I like about a forced rotation is the tremendous amount of torque that they tend to have. They simply bit through the corroded paintwork. But it is very tiresome work. But if I have to choose between three hours of tiresome polishing or eight to ten hours of relaxed polishing. And the result is that they are going to have the same level of happiness then I'll opt for the three hours of tiresome polishing. BTW how funny to hear the extremely familiar sound of the Rupes Bigfoot Mkii 21 ^^ Love that beast!
I have the exact same car and i notice oxidation around the hood scope (right at the scoop entry point). I tried using Meg UC and UP with an orbital palmer polisher tool but haven't had success. Any recommendations?
Forced rotation beats you up for sure. I had a FLEX 3401 and sold it because of the heat it generated. My current forced rotation is the Makita PO5000c. I want to visit OGHQ since you're 15 minutes away.
chris do you like the makita? Doesn’t beat you up? I am between a griots g15 and makita. I want something stronger, faster than a torqx and don’t beat you up
Genysmen runner I do really like the Makita. Any forced rotation tool is a very physical tool but the Makita has a 5.5mm and the FLEX has an 8mm throw. That extra throw on the FLEX makes it a more physical tool to use. Among many other tools, I do have a Griot BOSS G15. It is very smooth. If you are only maintaining your well kept car, go with a G15 or Bigfoot MKII 15mm. If you have customer work to do and some cars are thrashed...go with forced rotation.
Looks good (from a distance...LOL)! :+) I wonder if the forced rotation would be more effective on a harder paint, seeing as you say it felt like it was working you really hard? I also wonder if going a little longer with the application, such as allowing the product to flash (clear in appearance) before wiping it away would make it work a little easier? Just my humble thoughts.
I tried Perfect Finish once, and occasionally, little balls of polish would develop as I was working a section. What is the cause of that? I saw that this happened in the video at around 11:03 into the video.
Can you post a "Before/After"? Would love to see the differences by stage or by beginning and end of your process (since I will be doing the same process on my new car)
Interesting discussion about the Rupes 15 Mark2. I made a big mistake and bought a Rotary from Chemical guys back in January. I should have gotten the Rupes orbital and so I have never taken the rotary out of the box. Trying to get Chemical Guys to take it back so I can get the rupes. Any advice on getting rid of this torx? Chemical Guys hasn't responded to my emails, imagine that.
You could sell it rather quickly on OG Marketplace. You'll likely have to sell it at a discount, but someone might want it. facebook.com/groups/ogmarketplace
Hey, can you tell us what happens with the so called sweating that happens with power lock and wax 815 combo? Dallas detailing says it's problematic and does not do it. So how do you go about fixing it?
Hi @Obsessed Garage, I have the Rupes Bigfoot 21 mark 2 which you quoted as nr 4 on your tools list , why would the 15mm version be number one of your list? Is it because of finesse? Correction speed?
The 15mm orbit is plenty of movement for correcting most anything. Notice how the 15 has the word "detailing" inscribed on the carbon shroud. It is the machine designed for paint correction specifically.
+Obsessed Garage more user friendly usage then. I appreciate your input. Keep up the good work. I have learned alot through your channel and videos. Especially the small detail tips!
Vbanwarie since the 15 has less throw than the 21 it tends to get more spots and be more detailed then the 21 with a bigger throw that might take a extra pass etc because it might miss some spots I currently only have a Millie since I’m just starting out but everyone loves the LHR 15mm and the mk iii just came out so might pull the trigger on one
I have a feeling PF didn't bode well with the Mille, hence, all that jumping around. Have you tried other high lubricating polishes with the yellow pad and Mille?
hey matt, will you also be using a clear coat measuring instrument also?? i feel like out of all the tools used that is the one you havent used in the shop.
I'll probably get one at some point, but they don't do much. Event the ones that measure layers don't tell us how much clear is actually on the car. They are good as a point of reference, but extremely inaccurate.
You obviously didn’t listen to Jason rose when he introduced you to the Mille,rupes polishes have been designed for use with the Mille which have more lubricants to stop the machine dominating you👍
I know you hate interior but do you have any plans on offering or informing your fan base interior cleaning items (leather cleaners, glass, interior detail spray, etc etc)?
After you lost the first bet with Chris we got to see you suffer driving the mighty focus for a week it was hilarious. To be fair when Chris loses he should video doing 500 burpees. Haha.
I have the makita forced rotation AND it has an option to use it in free spinning mode also ‘’which I never use’’ I guarantee makitas are a more quality build than the rupes..hardly anyone talks about it tho...anywho forced rotation is where it’s at if u get use to it...why work with something that stalls on a minor body line?lol
@DBS Detailing RJ sounds like you dont know how to use a free spinning DA (forced rotation like in this video IS a DA, there are free spinning and forced rotation). You probably tried to use a free spinning with similar technique to your rotary and thought it couldnt cut but in reality the issue is your technique.
![Gear-Driven vs Random Orbital - [RUPES C.O.R.E. Series Webinar]](/img/n.gif)
Quick tip, Matt . For the belt, instead of taking it off what I do is simply rotate the buckle to the side or the back of my body. That way all that's at the front is the leather of the belt, which covers the button on my pants.
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there's still a risk of hitting with a zip and button.. just wearing underwear or naked while polishing is more safer method..
The WRX looks clean man, Your dad should be proud to drive such a clean machine that you put so much time and effort into.
I like that you're doing the videos in the warehouse, don't change that. I like seeing the behind the scenes with your parents grabbing items for shipping etc. Rather than a bland wall as a background
parents?
Forced rotation is a true DA (dual action) as it will oscillate and rotate by driven gears, as oppose to non forced rotation which is only rotating as a REaction to the oscillations.
Yeah, the rupes 21 etc movement is actually called random orbital.
I you set the speed to around 5 or 6 on the Rupes Mille, you will feel it's runs alot smoother and it's easier to control.
Just my experience after using a Flex 3401 as my only mashine for years
The pneumatic polishers have such a satisfying sound.
New shop is looking amazing. Looks like you’re living out most of our dreams and having a ball ! I’m still in love with the Kränzle package. Never regretted spending the money even for a second. Thanks for making them available and sharing your journey 🤘🏼
Thanks man.
Great video, always nice to have a wide variety of polishing machines to goto so you are tooled up for any application. I am working on my collection, so far I have purchased a Rupes 21, 75, and a Nano. Next is a 15.
Good job on the weight loss, dude. You dont know me from Adam, but im proud of you anyway. Always nice to see someone succeeding at making themselves healthier.
I'm really disappointed in myself for taking this long to get this done. Living an obsessed life means certain things get neglected. This is one that should never be put second.
It's amazing how much that car cleaned up, it has three times the depth now!
I've been looking at all the Rupes options as I feel a purchase coming on and every video that does not use Rupes cutting compounds complains of the Millie grabbing ..yet you see others use the Millie with yellow pad and rupes yellow compound and it's as smooth as silk. Thank you for taking the time to make this content
The RUPES version of the polish was engineered with more oils to improve operation.
I myself find using my 3” more than the 5”. And I have a full size GMC haha. It takes longer but I find it more fun to use. One day I’ll dive into the pneumatic world. Air tools are cool. Thanks again for showing us the product and diving into it. 👍🏻
You’ve certainly got the full set when it comes to Rupes. from Matchbox cars to tools! Yeah Jim White always has a spray bottle of water to damp down the blow out tub. With the forced rotation machines, they’d be really useful on the curved panels where the LHR15 may stall.
When you get the whole thing polished, please do a full walkaround.. I wanna see that money shot.
As far as the hearing protection goes I think that’s up to you Matt, Think if your detailing a car every day for a living I would recommend wearing hearing protection or noise canceling headphones if you look at Jim White I believe he has noise canceling 🎧. On the bottling line all sorts of PPE is required for us, when you have thousands of glass bottles clanking in each filler room at the rate at 500 bottles a minute. I think on average we’re at about 100 DB In the warehouse, for me when I use my DA I wear headphones and listen to low 🎵 .
It’s like managing a floor polisher....
They do the same hopping motion when they aren’t held flat on the surface.
I love love love my LHR 75 pneumatic!!!!!
I was going to pull the trigger on the Mille today, but after watching this, I'm going to pass. All the talk it takes less energy, less pull than the 3401, well, I just don't see it. I have the 3401 and hate it. The Mille looks like a real pain in the ass to control, and you're not a beginner. On a side note, the pneumatic 15mm looks like a beast! Looks way more powerful/efficient than the electric Rupes MINI.
I think that's a quality decision. I'd only get one if you are like me and like to have complete sets.
Wouldn't a coating make more sense since it's such a soft paint? And might get dry wiped by the owner 😁
Car looks great Matt! I need some 3 inch pads putting in my order! Your shipping is on point.
I have mile / flex 3404 vrg beast and new flex force for me the best is a new flex easy to work for many hour and no vibration....not noise 👍👌
what I found with force rotation is that you don't really need to apply pressure to the machine, its weight will be enough you almost have to lift up on it. I love my mille but it is definetly a learning curve from a normal DA
Forced rotation is something I only use when I have a quick job. Something that doesn't require me to get the best possible shine but rather to get the best possible results in the shortest possible time. Actually almost all of the time I use it single step only. Just a one pass paint correction. Lets say I want finish a full size station wagon within 6 hours and have it washed prepared and polished and waxed. And that's possible with a forced rotation. Sometimes that's just what you need. I have a Flex VRG3401 though. The kind of customers I am currently talking about are the kind of customers that want you to polish their cars. Are very happy but after a month they already took it to the automated car-wash. Hence no need for a three step paint correction.
What I like about a forced rotation is the tremendous amount of torque that they tend to have. They simply bit through the corroded paintwork. But it is very tiresome work. But if I have to choose between three hours of tiresome polishing or eight to ten hours of relaxed polishing. And the result is that they are going to have the same level of happiness then I'll opt for the three hours of tiresome polishing.
BTW how funny to hear the extremely familiar sound of the Rupes Bigfoot Mkii 21 ^^ Love that beast!
I have the exact same car and i notice oxidation around the hood scope (right at the scoop entry point). I tried using Meg UC and UP with an orbital palmer polisher tool but haven't had success. Any recommendations?
The black plastic or the painted surrounded?
Forced rotation beats you up for sure. I had a FLEX 3401 and sold it because of the heat it generated. My current forced rotation is the Makita PO5000c. I want to visit OGHQ since you're 15 minutes away.
Come on by.
chris do you like the makita? Doesn’t beat you up? I am between a griots g15 and makita. I want something stronger, faster than a torqx and don’t beat you up
Genysmen runner I do really like the Makita. Any forced rotation tool is a very physical tool but the Makita has a 5.5mm and the FLEX has an 8mm throw. That extra throw on the FLEX makes it a more physical tool to use. Among many other tools, I do have a Griot BOSS G15. It is very smooth. If you are only maintaining your well kept car, go with a G15 or Bigfoot MKII 15mm. If you have customer work to do and some cars are thrashed...go with forced rotation.
chris thank you so much for the help that makita seems awesome
Been thinking about giving forced rotation a try.
Good job on the weight loss Matt. I’m down to the same weight as you...six months ago I was 265. Got tired of feeling like death.
Agreed
Looks good (from a distance...LOL)! :+) I wonder if the forced rotation would be more effective on a harder paint, seeing as you say it felt like it was working you really hard? I also wonder if going a little longer with the application, such as allowing the product to flash (clear in appearance) before wiping it away would make it work a little easier? Just my humble thoughts.
I tried Perfect Finish once, and occasionally, little balls of polish would develop as I was working a section. What is the cause of that? I saw that this happened in the video at around 11:03 into the video.
Any chance of some videos showing your dad how to care for the car, now that it’s dialed in?
That's a good idea.
Can you post a "Before/After"? Would love to see the differences by stage or by beginning and end of your process (since I will be doing the same process on my new car)
Interesting discussion about the Rupes 15 Mark2. I made a big mistake and bought a Rotary from Chemical guys back in January. I should have gotten the Rupes orbital and so I have never taken the rotary out of the box. Trying to get Chemical Guys to take it back so I can get the rupes. Any advice on getting rid of this torx? Chemical Guys hasn't responded to my emails, imagine that.
You could sell it rather quickly on OG Marketplace. You'll likely have to sell it at a discount, but someone might want it. facebook.com/groups/ogmarketplace
If you are blowing out the foam pad after a few passes, how many pads would you use for the entire car? That means 5” 3” pads etc how many of each
I'll have to count, but I think I used 9 Yellow and 2 White 3." I used 6 Yellow 5," 5 Microfiber 1," and 8 Yellow 1."
Hey, can you tell us what happens with the so called sweating that happens with power lock and wax 815 combo? Dallas detailing says it's problematic and does not do it. So how do you go about fixing it?
It's not problematic. You just wash the car like normal, and you'll be good to go.
Obsessed Garage ok, sounds good. Was worried about combining the 2 products. Since he was so anti it. And says problems with it
Has anyone tried Beadmaker to see if it takes the sweating away?
Hi @Obsessed Garage,
I have the Rupes Bigfoot 21 mark 2 which you quoted as nr 4 on your tools list , why would the 15mm version be number one of your list? Is it because of finesse? Correction speed?
The 15mm orbit is plenty of movement for correcting most anything. Notice how the 15 has the word "detailing" inscribed on the carbon shroud. It is the machine designed for paint correction specifically.
@Obsessed Garage thank you for the reply, Do you think the 15 mm corrects faster than the 21?
Faster, certainly not. But I like the feel and size of a 5" pad. The 15 is balanced for that backing plate.
+Obsessed Garage more user friendly usage then. I appreciate your input. Keep up the good work. I have learned alot through your channel and videos. Especially the small detail tips!
Vbanwarie since the 15 has less throw than the 21 it tends to get more spots and be more detailed then the 21 with a bigger throw that might take a extra pass etc because it might miss some spots I currently only have a Millie since I’m just starting out but everyone loves the LHR 15mm and the mk iii just came out so might pull the trigger on one
Hi, Matt. Which has more and fast cutting forced rotation mille or or bigfoot 15?
I’d say Mille.
@@ObsessedGarage thank you very much for reply...
Just curious why you kept the doors open and the hood propped up? Better angle?
It's better to get all the way up the edges without hitting the adjacent panel.
what about a 60gal tank vs 80gal air compressor? would the pneumatics still work?
Yes, it will work fine as long as you have enough output. You need 12CFM or more. The compressor would run more often, but it will work.
What kind of air nozzle is that? I really like that it swivels,looks like it helps with user fatigue.
It's a Prevost S1. I'll have them up in the store in the next few months.
Thanks Matt
I have a feeling PF didn't bode well with the Mille, hence, all that jumping around. Have you tried other high lubricating polishes with the yellow pad and Mille?
Brewinz I was going to say, rupes makes a whole separate line of compounds just for the Mille, more oily for the forced rotation.
I had one question I'm interested in buying the Mark 3 will that satisfy my needs for compounding Mercedes curved edges
You'll miss a bunch of spots with a 5" or 6" pad. You'll want a 3" LHR75E.
@@ObsessedGarage great thank you
I just have a Griot's Garage dual action polisher it's okay I was thinking about making an upgrade
hey matt, will you also be using a clear coat measuring instrument also?? i feel like out of all the tools used that is the one you havent used in the shop.
I'll probably get one at some point, but they don't do much. Event the ones that measure layers don't tell us how much clear is actually on the car. They are good as a point of reference, but extremely inaccurate.
Obsessed Garage wow did not know that. Thanks for the reply!
You obviously didn’t listen to Jason rose when he introduced you to the Mille,rupes polishes have been designed for use with the Mille which have more lubricants to stop the machine dominating you👍
I’d love to get my hands on a forced rotation, but eh... That’s another total rabbit hole 😅
After doing a panel do you always wipe down that panel with CarPro Eraser?
I would wipe it down prior to inspecting or the next step.
Obsessed Garage Thanks for your reply! Enjoyed and learned a lot. Several products I’ve been using will be eliminated and several will be added.
Do you have any details about the hood up tool? Can't find a tool like that
www.esotericcarcare.com has them.
If forced rotation pads are supposed to be thinner, why are lake country force hybrid pads, that are made for "force"d rotation machines, thick?
GOOD STUFF!
wish there was a forced rotation that had a full orbit like random orbitals do and also have a 21 mm throw
That's not how this type of rotation works. You can't have a 21mm orbit, nor would you want it.
What’s the difference between this one and a orbital one?
The gearing is different. Forced Rotation doesn't stall, but I find is rougher to use.
@@ObsessedGarage ok thank oyu
I know you hate interior but do you have any plans on offering or informing your fan base interior cleaning items (leather cleaners, glass, interior detail spray, etc etc)?
Yep, after glass and trim.
After you lost the first bet with Chris we got to see you suffer driving the mighty focus for a week it was hilarious. To be fair when Chris loses he should video doing 500
burpees. Haha.
Oh you know I will just so happen to be doing a vlog that day.
Will this car get the power lock, 845 treatment?
John M he said earlier on in the series it was getting that combo.
Matt any plans for an update on obsessed wealth management?
I need a weight gaining challenge
I dunno, sure looks like the Mille still wants to pull. Screw that, free spinning DA's are so much more of a pleasure to use.
which polish best the mille or the 15?
I like Jescar Correction Compound.
I would like to see some up close shots. I would like to see different angles
The Subaru looking awesome. Are you going to put ceramic coating on the wheels ?
I may do it later, but I don't think on this project.
Obsessed Garage Thank you for answering my comments
Very nice!
I have the makita forced rotation AND it has an option to use it in free spinning mode also ‘’which I never use’’ I guarantee makitas are a more quality build than the rupes..hardly anyone talks about it tho...anywho forced rotation is where it’s at if u get use to it...why work with something that stalls on a minor body line?lol
Forced rotation is for newbes.
@@ObsessedGarage haha
How can Rupes claim this polisher doesn’t fight you? It looks worse than the Flex 3401.
Here comes the know it all comments🤔
What's your goal for weight loss?
I want to get down to 205.
Forced rotation.... cut to the chase. Darren auto fetish detail.
Flex force rotation or rupes Mille force rotation…answer honestly
I don't like either one, but I'd probably pick the Flex out of the two.
@@ObsessedGarage……thank you Matt for what I see that’s what I think too but I wanted to have your expert opinion
Long cords are way better
Forced Rotation (like the Rotary) is for pros. And a pro knows a DA will never give the results the FR gives. Not even close.
All of what you just said is completely false. Go somewhere else with you know it all attitude.
@DBS Detailing RJ sounds like you dont know how to use a free spinning DA (forced rotation like in this video IS a DA, there are free spinning and forced rotation). You probably tried to use a free spinning with similar technique to your rotary and thought it couldnt cut but in reality the issue is your technique.
3rd :)