Nah I think Poland could be a new separte nation just like in yer I'm not as big as a fan game WOT. They are not part of the commenwealth and would not fit in the British line up historically. The sub tech tree to it they could add Ukraine it would be great. Poland/Ukraine has had tanks ect since just before and during WW2 and with good research could be done. Yes there would be repeat veichles and tanks but Warthunder really need to address the clone veichles/Tanks from other nations easier to spade the more you get to give even more historical awsomeness to the game. And no way should Nth Korea go into the Chinese Tech tree. Hello what do you have there already the CCP and the Chinese Republic(Taiwan). So with Nth Korea there should be added Sth Korea simple easy lots of stuff to put with same old new but with different things on the vechles/tanks ect. I do not agree where you want to put these new veichles/tanks ect.
@@tasman006 Personally if they would just add Poland as subtree, it would fit britian perfectly gameplay wise, Britian has pretty poor lineup, not many vehicles especially at the same BR, Poland maybe would fix it a bit, if as seperate tree it would be better as sth like central europe slavic countries, combining hungary, czechia, slovakia,poland and more
If they really want to add Poland, then it should be put in the new tech tree with Czechoslovakia, Romania, and maybe even Yugoslavia. Then we would have enough unique vechicles to make it maybe smaller, but worthy tech tree.
@@patrykb_ I believe they keep it to stand alone nations, but even then there are enough fan made Polish trees which would be less copy-paste than china
For the past 10 years on every video like this someone mentions that they should do a central European tech tree. But im rather afraid it would be one of the most powerful tech trees
@@kotenara10its actually fairly easy to get a bomb off on a US BB. U just need the correct method. For me I almost always hit them when I go up and down like VVVV like that and I usually hit them doing that. Also the Swordfish is far too slow to travel 4 to get a torpedo/bomb off. And then all thats left for u is to NOT hit the Main belt
you know if the bismarck actually comes to war thunder i'll be very happy, because that ship is one of the most famous ships the german navy ever operated, and plus since we have the hms hood, it will allow people to kind of maybe recreate that famous battle, between the hms hood and the bismarck, in fact when winston churchill was first told of the loss of the hood he was quoted ((there is nothing vital to the nation at this moment as the destruction of the bismarck, i do not care how you do it, you must sink the bismarck)).
13:56 there are a lot of ww2 vehicles for poland: early ww2: 7tp, 10tp, 14tp, tks, tkd, tks-d, armoured car wz.28, 29, 34 and more including imported, unfortunately for mid/late ww2 they are all "imported": Shermans, crommwels, churchills, crusader, challenger, stuarts, t-34s, is-2s, su/isu spgs, m16gmc, crusader aa mk II and also more. For cold war (7.0-9.0): Is-3, 2s1, T-54, T-55 and polish variants of these tanks, ZSU-57-2, ZSU-23-4, Sopel, Stalagmit SPAAs, AHS Krab (similar to vidar, but in tech tree - for premium AHS Krab prototype with other hull), BMP-1, BWP-40, BWO-40 and more...... And as said a lot of modern vechiles
Italy used to be a subtree of the German tech tree, and eventually they got their own tech tree, maybe the same will come for Poland and other subtrees like Finland, Duch, Romania, etc
Poland should be a separate tree, perhaps connected to Czechoslovakia, do you remember "Intermarium" - this Polish concept of an alliance of Central European countries was already before World War II
type 15 is a breath of fresh air imo. it's also the only chinese tank to use a bustle autoloader+blowout panels which i assume is where the PLA is heading towards in the NGMBT
If the Bismarck is coming it simply gotta stay at 7.0 or max 7.3. Otherwise you allow Jet Bombers to enter the field like the Il-28 which will be broken af. So there are 3 solutions: First but rather bad one is Bismarck get 7.0 BR and then will just crush anything thats 6.0 or lower easy which cause huge imbalance. 2nd is that planes get a BR cap, so plane above certain BR like 7.0 are not allowed to be used in naval. Third: seperated BR for planes in naval. 3rd is imo the best solution looking at the future where people want all those missile destroyers (I dont want them) which would imo best be introduced by making a BR cut jumping them to like 9.0 so they will never face big battleships and then one can also introduce more and more jets without a problem as these modern vehicles are capable to defend against them. A vehicle like Bravy would imo suit way better there
As a South Korean, it would be fun to have North Korean armoured vehicles in the game. However, it doesn't make sense that there are North Korea but not South Korea… Maybe South Korea can share a tech tree with Poland. Poland imported many tanks from South Korea.
I could honestly see Gaijin adding a "United Korea tree" since they did the same thing with China and Taiwan. It would be pretty fun, but also obviously just as controversial. For the player it's probably better, since you'd have access to more vehicles in one tree.
@oz314 Well, Korea has been illegally colonized by Japan in the past, oppressed and exploited. So, there is still a historical rejection. Of course, that doesn't mean that Koreans don't necessarily hate Japan, but there is no technical commonality between the two countries, and the issue you just mentioned can be quite controversial. It would be better to release North Korea-South Korea into the game together and make a unified Korea. +but many Korean love Japan's culture. Ex: anime, j-pop. Or vocaloid. Of course, I also like Japanese culture.
An AESA radar can scan incredibly quickly, letting the radar see everything at once. No waiting for the radar to scan an area of sky. I’m not sure if anything in war thunder can but AESA could be able to guide multiple SARH missiles at once.
BISMARCK CANNOT BE ADDED without other first, Scharnhorst is allready so busted shes nearly as good as Kronstadt, We need Nagato, Nelson, Colorado, Dunkerque and Roma
@@Boromas_1 the ship itself wasn't nerfed, it's due to the massive buff HE got, as it melts the crews of all ships. scharn is still the strongest ship, and before the japanese 16 inch ships and whichever one was just added to america, forget, the only ship that could pen the scharn was the mississippi
High tier naval right now is basically a long slog match and it ends with the team with the most Scharnhorst players winning. Bismarck will be a real nightmare to deal with on top of that
I see in the comments a lot of people want Yugoslavia and a lot of people don’t know about it and assume it’s “copy paste” yes Yugoslavia did have lend lease crafts but Yugoslavia and the successor states do have domestic designs from captured German to the hybrid Stuart tanks and even from the kingdom age, also for the rankV+ if you look up YugoImports they have tons of crazy designs you can see made mostly in Serbia, and the crazy car hybrids from the civil war like the zastava 750 with a m60 anti tank gun, don’t get me wrong I do believe Yugoslavia would need some help as a independent tree which is why I think Bulgaria can be a great sub-TT and for the 2 naval players, Yugoslavia had a decent navy from 1920 cruisers to Cold War missile boats like the Končar-class and much more including aircraft from Soko and ikarus making their own aircraft designs Edit: there is a lot I didn’t mention but it’s easy to look it up yourself if you wish too this is just a small gist
Kriegsmarine after the Bismarck amoracked the Hood: "You know whats a great idea after making the Royal Navy angry enough to sent an massive amount of ships to hunt down 1 ship? Lets make that ship face them without any support!"
imo it'd make the most sense to have Polish sub tree in the British one. The most widely produced Polish tanks, TK-3, TKS and 7TP were based on British vehicles. Polish tankers fought on Cromwells, Churchills, Shermans and Stewarts. Polish pilots flew in Hurricanes and Spitfires. Polish sailors served on British-made destroyers and submarines. And from a meta perspective Britain really needs a breath of fresh air to become relevant again. With the amount of different stuff Poland had in its arsenal it'd benefit Britain a lot.
because everyone enjoys leoaprd Thunder already let's give britain Leopards with the already good air tree ignore the fact 99% of anything Poland ahs tank wise is Either US or german modern day,You also seem to forget gaijin IF i recall did say India was gonna belong in Britain meaning on top of I want to say Su33s its going to have quite a bit of other things like T-90S Bhishma, T-90MS Bhishma, Bhishma Mk III, T-72 Ajeya, Ajeya MK2, Arjun, Zorawar LT
I wonder where would Poland go. Big three already have a lot of vehicles, France has Dutch and Belgium subtree, UK has ZA sub tree, China has NK subtree if you are correct, Italy has Hungary subtree, Sweden has Finland subtree, only Japan and Israel has no subtree yet while not being the big three. But tbh Poland has K2, M1A2 and Leopard 2A5, any TT with Poland subtree will immediately go to S tier top tier.
BMD-1/2/3/4M should be added to the Soviets , BMDs are better than BMPs. They can be airdropped , amphibious, and they are very fast and just better than BMPs
I don’t think you’re giving the Bismarck enough credit. It absolutely had a huge impact on the Royal Navy by tying up forces just from the fear of it breaking out into the Atlantic. Also, it destroyed a much beloved battle cruiser. And it took a ton of damage to sink the dang thing after it was hopelessly outnumbered. It was a masterfully commanded battleship and deserves a place among the finest warships of the era.
its sister ship did more for the war effort without firing a single shell then the bismarck did, it only sunk the hood because of a lucky shot. it was pretty much disabled by a single battle ship (rodney) and it ended up being sunk by a biplane, it wasnt the finest warship.
@@abioticlife9087 no? the battleship critically damaged the bismarck, causing the circles, the swordfish sunk it, people claimed it was scuttled but it was too damaged to be scuttled
It may have lasted one year but it got hunted by half the royal navy and got crippled in the most unlucky way. From a torpedo from a swordfish that jammed the rudder... Still a mystery how the swordfishes reached close enough to launch their torpedos and did not get shot down. Despite that. During the next battle it basically became target practice for the royal navy. Even then, the brits could not sink it. It was finally the germans themselves that scuttled it. It was a great ship, ahead of its time in design but it lacked the support any capital ship needs. The whole idea to send it alone in the atlantic to raid convoys showed some serious incopetence up in the command chain.
If you're interested in how AESA radar works, you should check out how 5G signals for our phones are transmitted. It's basically the same concept, and there's a lot more public info about 5G basestations than there ever will be about military AESA radar.
Some dataminer said on the previous leak list posted on reddit that there are some more romanian vehicles in the pipeline, maybe we will get more stuff for Italy in the future.
Is it just me or do we get the „new subtrees“ part every video, with just the same information? Yes there will be subtree xyz in the future, but we dk when or where it will be added??? Why keep clickbaiting with it over and over again when its all just speculations?
Still waiting for the Czechoslovak sub tree, it can offer sooo much, even in the pre-war era and it makes me mad, that North Korea has it´s own tree sooner with what they got in their army xd
i feel like if the koreas got their own tech tree that would be much cooler than if they were both sub techtrees it can give people a taste of western and eastern style mbts
I don't think Poland should be added to Britain.Even their political ties are not so huge. Polish soldiers fought with the British during WW2 but that's it. Britain recognized lately the Polish government in exile. They used some Shermans and British planes but that's it. I mean most of their vehicles from cold war, contemporary times have nothing to do with Britain. It would be the same as putting them in the US tree because they ordered Abrams and used Shermans ... Honestly with such a complete tree for Cold War / High tier, I think Poland deserves its own tech tree starting at 4.7 a bit like Israel.
atleast israel has its own unique top tier, poland doesnt, its just a bunch of soviet tanks then nato tanks, hell the only unique polish tanks were from the interwar period, ww2 it was using allied tanks
If we want to get serious and forget for a moment this is just a game, the fact that under pressure from Stalin, the Poles were banned from any participation in the great victory parade in London should put an end to the idea of adding them to the British tree. Give them an independent tree.
I prefer it being added to Britain over Gaijin seeing that most of our tanks are soviet and adding us to russia. I would lose my shit and delete the account instantly, as I'm sure a lot of Polish players would do. I'm fine with separate tech tree, however, we would struggle with air. It would be basically 3 or 4 unique aircraft and the rest just like Israel - copy paste with different cammo. I grinded out the whole ground tree because it's interesting and fun (for me), however, the air and helicopters is just simply boring and I've got no interest in it since I already have most of the vehicles Israel has, just in a different trees. There is also the issue of Germany already having the Leo PL, which would need to be either reskined (maybe) or moved to Britain / separate tech tree (won't happen). Otherwise we are losing one vehicle in that tree. I think at this point WT should drop national tech trees, and just create some sort of "company/manufacturer" tech trees. This would make things way easier for them.
@@2727daqwid what about manufacturers that got brought out/no longer exist? Also 80% of the tanks in the game would be moved to either BAE, The 2 Russian companies or some American company
BR is directly tied not just with vehicle stats but also game mode and map design. Most ships in the game are at the same br because gaijin refuses to fix the maps, forcing everyone into one play style where a single type of ship dominates. Due to the map design, each tech tree cannot utilize it's full potential leading to a single tree dominating, thus funneling more and more vehicles into said nation as it becomes the meta. For true balance and fairness to all. Gaijin should focus alot on fixing their game mode instead of new vehicles. The roadmaps were what made War thunder more fun, not Insanely broken vehicles
He is shitting on how short lived the bismarck was even though the whole british navy was after it and when they found it the only reason they managed to kill it was because of a lucky torpedo hit on the rudder which of course they couldn't fix on the spot😂🤦♂️
if Poland ever to be added into the game they should make it named intermarium and add the Slovaks, Yugo's, and Ukrainian tanks and jets/planes into the game
Considering the fact that France got air Benelux 2 updates ago, with leaked ground list (and most leaked vehicles have hidden files in game), that Italy had the same calendar last year with Hungary, and got the ground free at this update, and lastly that Germany is getting a Benelux produced turret event vehicle (cockerill), every and any leaklist that does not mention a Benelux ground line for France will be deemed as false to me
The only reason the Bismarck sank so quickly into its career is because it got hunted down by planes and ships just because it was scuttled so quickly isn’t because it was a bad ship battleships we’re already getting outclassed by it’s time
I don't see the Spyder working in game. My country acquired some from Israel, but from what I see, it requires 2 vehicles, the Radar, and the one carrying the Launcher. this could work as an airbase spaa, or they could somehow pull a towed radar.
It’s going to be the Spyder AiO which carries its own radar (aesa I think) and 4 or 8 python 5 with 15 km range and derby with 20 or 40 km range (depending on the model)
North Korea for China and South Korea for Japan maybe? Japan could really use some of their vehicles. And maybe rename the tech tree to "JP/SK" or something to not piss off both communities
North Korea would make sense but the only thing really barring it's existence outside of just more ussr vehicles from the cold war would be any source of credible info. By all means they might just be slapping Era on top of a cold war t-55 and parading fake "modern" vehicles. Honestly put I wouldn't be surprised if all the numbers given to gaijin for chinese and russian vehicles are extremely inflated numbers ignoring gaijin "balancing" vehicles. There is an odd lack of logic behind alot of vehicle models and they of course will guestimate these numbers even more so from the so called hermit kingodom. And the weird South Korea and Japan combo while logical is very unlikely do to odd national grievances. It doesn't really occur much among the younger citizens it seems but that was the supposed reason for Thailand to be tossed into the Japanese tree with the f5e which ironically isn't even indigenously Thai but an american shell filled with Israeli electronics..... Well either way more vehicles would be nice or they could just throw out a South Korean tree straight out and do what they did with Israel and start em rank 5 with the cold war era vehicles.
@@danielwang6201 yeah true, so what im saying is why not rename it to something like "East Asia" or whatever, even tho it wont have Taiwan it can still get a lot of Malaysian/Indonesian/Singaporean vehicles together with the SK
It would be a loud minority the majority wouldn't give a fuck(South korea has bigger IRL issues).If SK won't be added as it's own nation or as a sub tree for Japan they shouldn't add it all the US doesn't need any sub tree in any shape or form
The thing about NK sub-tree, I don't think China needs it. Iirc, Gaijin mainly adds sub-trees to nations that need a sub-tree to bolster it. I don't see where China is lacking enough to warrant a sub-tree.
I would love it if they add SK to Japan, since Japan is really lacking in vehicles, but I get that players would have a problem with it. I wish SK could be a small tech tree like Israel.
Yeah air power isn’t a thing in naval anymore since Gaijin keeps adding SAMs to it. Then people wonder why battleships dominate the entire mode 6.0 onwards. Its even worse in EC.
Update "Chollima" Possible North Korean tech subtree (China Tech Tree) Tanks: T-34-85 Medium Tank IS-2 Heavy Tank T-54 MBT/Type 59 MBT Ch'onma-ho MBT (T-62) Pokpung-ho MBT (T-62ish) Songun-915 MBT (T-72ish) Cheonma-2 MBT (Little bit of this, little bit of that, a misbegotten bastard. Ever get the feeling that NK is basically Mordor?) PT-76 Light Tank Shin'heung Light Tank Tank Destroyer: SU-76 AG SU-100 TD VTT-323/100 mm gun 9P122 Malyutka ATGM Bulsae-4 ATGM TD Antiair: Model 1978 SPAAG (37 mm) Model 1989 SPAAG (30 mm) IFV: Model 2010 APC BTR-80A IFV SPH: Tokch'on Model 1974 SPH (152 mm/L34) Model 1977 SPH (122 mm/L38) Chuch'e'po Model 1991 SPH (122 mm/L52.9) Fighters: Yak-9P Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15 Shenyang F-5 Shenyang J-6 Chengdu J-7 Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21PFM/MF/bis Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 (9.12B) Bombers: Ilyushin Il-10 Ilyushin Il-28 Sukhoi Su-7 Sukhoi Su-25 Helicopters: Mil Mi-24 Boeing MD-500
As a Pole, I'd disagree with the sub tree being in Britain. I think it'd be better as a stand alone along with czechia, romania, or maybe even slovakia/other yugoslav vehicles. Otherwise I don't know, theres a lot of US vehicles it adopted in the modern day.
If they add the Bismarck, without increasing the BR of Naval, not to mention adding other nations 1930s BBs, they'll simply be no point in playing Naval unless it's a German ship.
The model of Bismarck leaked and gagjin taking a pish If they finally adding German super battleship now they can counter all nation ships one but her aa kept missing shots like Star Wars stormtrooper Bombers are gonna have hard time because of in game bots and missile vessels will shoot bombers so easily
If the Bismarck comes in I have to ask, where the hell is our Colorado Class or North Carolina Class? The US 14 inch guns are amazing both in game and historically but come on.
It will be a glorious day when Poland is added to the game. The Hussars will ride again.
Nah I think Poland could be a new separte nation just like in yer I'm not as big as a fan game WOT. They are not part of the commenwealth and would not fit in the British line up historically. The sub tech tree to it they could add Ukraine it would be great. Poland/Ukraine has had tanks ect since just before and during WW2 and with good research could be done. Yes there would be repeat veichles and tanks but Warthunder really need to address the clone veichles/Tanks from other nations easier to spade the more you get to give even more historical awsomeness to the game.
And no way should Nth Korea go into the Chinese Tech tree. Hello what do you have there already the CCP and the Chinese Republic(Taiwan). So with Nth Korea there should be added Sth Korea simple easy lots of stuff to put with same old new but with different things on the vechles/tanks ect. I do not agree where you want to put these new veichles/tanks ect.
I will drink whole night if this would happend, and im pole so im able to drink vodka with friends for hour.
THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED!
@@tasman006 Personally if they would just add Poland as subtree, it would fit britian perfectly gameplay wise, Britian has pretty poor lineup, not many vehicles especially at the same BR, Poland maybe would fix it a bit, if as seperate tree it would be better as sth like central europe slavic countries, combining hungary, czechia, slovakia,poland and more
I would personally prefer a czechoslovak sub tree more than Polish one but still better than nothing.
If they really want to add Poland, then it should be put in the new tech tree with Czechoslovakia, Romania, and maybe even Yugoslavia. Then we would have enough unique vechicles to make it maybe smaller, but worthy tech tree.
Oh no bro, if you add Yugoslavia it’s gonna be a BIG TT
Thats a good idea
the tree could be called "Międzymorze"-"Intermarium" or Central Europe.
@@patrykb_ I believe they keep it to stand alone nations, but even then there are enough fan made Polish trees which would be less copy-paste than china
For the past 10 years on every video like this someone mentions that they should do a central European tech tree. But im rather afraid it would be one of the most powerful tech trees
If the Bismarck come in, I’m definitely gonna charge at it with a swordfish with torpedos.
The AA bots would smack you first you need 4 dudes to do it
@@kotenara10its actually fairly easy to get a bomb off on a US BB. U just need the correct method. For me I almost always hit them when I go up and down like VVVV like that and I usually hit them doing that.
Also the Swordfish is far too slow to travel 4 to get a torpedo/bomb off. And then all thats left for u is to NOT hit the Main belt
Give me an N-Class, so I take the Role of the ORP Piorun. Three Salvoes in Honor of Poland!
Nah, with a Polish destroyer
@@doughnut3508OP is making a reference to an actual event that happen to Bismark during WW2……..
Sabaton be hitting hard in the next update
@@arthursoares2544 Hell yeah
Harder then the dead men
Bismarck and Winged Hussars will be playing on repeat
Janissaries are you ready to die?
@@Avtomat4774 We will seel our vengance eye for an eye
you know if the bismarck actually comes to war thunder i'll be very happy, because that ship is one of the most famous ships the german navy ever operated, and plus since we have the hms hood, it will allow people to kind of maybe recreate that famous battle, between the hms hood and the bismarck, in fact when winston churchill was first told of the loss of the hood he was quoted ((there is nothing vital to the nation at this moment as the destruction of the bismarck, i do not care how you do it, you must sink the bismarck)).
Woow your soo knowledgeable
Halts maul
@@d0lpine802 thanks
@@d0lpine802some people.
@@d0lpine802you're adopted
the picture of the SMS Yorck was taken 400 meters from where i live
bro doxxed himself🤕expect me in 20 minutes🤭
@@mangoTGG where u at i‘m waiting
Isn't poland worthy of a full tech tree? Their history might lack some prowess but their modern military stands out dramatically on the EU stage.
Poland isn't worth a full tech tree. A FULL tech tree.
It can't be a full techtree by itself. I think they should make a Eastern european TT with Poland, Balkans/Yugoslavia, Ukraine, and Turkey.
Not sure if it would go through. But i think it’d work wonderfully if it was combined with like Yugoslavia or sum
it will be a tech tree filled with not only polish vehicles, but it will also have a bunch of other nations vehicles like czechoslovakia, romania etc.
13:56 there are a lot of ww2 vehicles for poland: early ww2: 7tp, 10tp, 14tp, tks, tkd, tks-d, armoured car wz.28, 29, 34 and more including imported, unfortunately for mid/late ww2 they are all "imported": Shermans, crommwels, churchills, crusader, challenger, stuarts, t-34s, is-2s, su/isu spgs, m16gmc, crusader aa mk II and also more. For cold war (7.0-9.0): Is-3, 2s1, T-54, T-55 and polish variants of these tanks, ZSU-57-2, ZSU-23-4, Sopel, Stalagmit SPAAs, AHS Krab (similar to vidar, but in tech tree - for premium AHS Krab prototype with other hull), BMP-1, BWP-40, BWO-40 and more...... And as said a lot of modern vechiles
it just shouldnt be and probably wont be added, its just copy paste
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 Especially planes they are 90% copy-paste and some nit even in polish camo. Unfortunately
shut up kiddo@@datcheesecakeboi6745
Seeing how they executed the Finnish and Hungarian sub-nations, Poland would be as equally disappointing as both of them.
Italy used to be a subtree of the German tech tree, and eventually they got their own tech tree, maybe the same will come for Poland and other subtrees like Finland, Duch, Romania, etc
nobody gonna talk about that guy bringing a sturer emil to a 10.0 match? 3:04
As soon as I read this comment, I’ve seen him get obliterated
Poland got many fun prototype vehicles from the cold war era and early 2000.
We need United Korea tree for sure xD
Poland could be mixed with yugoslavia and czechoslovakia
Gonna need a RP increase overall if we gonna keep getting so many high end vehiclea
Poland should be a separate tree, perhaps connected to Czechoslovakia, do you remember "Intermarium" - this Polish concept of an alliance of Central European countries was already before World War II
Poland should only be added as an independent tree
type 15 is a breath of fresh air imo. it's also the only chinese tank to use a bustle autoloader+blowout panels which i assume is where the PLA is heading towards in the NGMBT
Very nice, it only took Gaijin like, a decade to add their first Romanian vehicle into the ground tree.
"Bismarck In Motion, King of the Ocean, HE was made to RULE the WAVES across the SEVEN SEAS!" - Sabaton (Bismarck)
If the Bismarck is coming it simply gotta stay at 7.0 or max 7.3. Otherwise you allow Jet Bombers to enter the field like the Il-28 which will be broken af. So there are 3 solutions: First but rather bad one is Bismarck get 7.0 BR and then will just crush anything thats 6.0 or lower easy which cause huge imbalance. 2nd is that planes get a BR cap, so plane above certain BR like 7.0 are not allowed to be used in naval. Third: seperated BR for planes in naval. 3rd is imo the best solution looking at the future where people want all those missile destroyers (I dont want them) which would imo best be introduced by making a BR cut jumping them to like 9.0 so they will never face big battleships and then one can also introduce more and more jets without a problem as these modern vehicles are capable to defend against them. A vehicle like Bravy would imo suit way better there
*Slowly grins aiming at Hood with Sabaton blaring in the background*
The highlight of the video was the North Korean subtree, and the thumbnail was South Korean K-1 LOL
As a South Korean, it would be fun to have North Korean armoured vehicles in the game. However, it doesn't make sense that there are North Korea but not South Korea… Maybe South Korea can share a tech tree with Poland. Poland imported many tanks from South Korea.
I could honestly see Gaijin adding a "United Korea tree" since they did the same thing with China and Taiwan. It would be pretty fun, but also obviously just as controversial. For the player it's probably better, since you'd have access to more vehicles in one tree.
North Korea to China and South Korea to Japan would be fine imo.
@@oz314 fine? you have no idea how s.koreans would react....
@oz314 Well, Korea has been illegally colonized by Japan in the past, oppressed and exploited. So, there is still a historical rejection. Of course, that doesn't mean that Koreans don't necessarily hate Japan, but there is no technical commonality between the two countries, and the issue you just mentioned can be quite controversial. It would be better to release North Korea-South Korea into the game together and make a unified Korea.
+but many Korean love Japan's culture. Ex: anime, j-pop. Or vocaloid.
Of course, I also like Japanese culture.
@@juneseokwoo6225nibody should give a shit
An AESA radar can scan incredibly quickly, letting the radar see everything at once. No waiting for the radar to scan an area of sky. I’m not sure if anything in war thunder can but AESA could be able to guide multiple SARH missiles at once.
BISMARCK CANNOT BE ADDED without other first, Scharnhorst is allready so busted shes nearly as good as Kronstadt,
We need Nagato, Nelson, Colorado, Dunkerque and Roma
Scharnhorst seems to have been quietly nerfed, I've been getting my crew depleted alot aswell as being detonated.
@@Boromas_1 the ship itself wasn't nerfed, it's due to the massive buff HE got, as it melts the crews of all ships. scharn is still the strongest ship, and before the japanese 16 inch ships and whichever one was just added to america, forget, the only ship that could pen the scharn was the mississippi
High tier naval right now is basically a long slog match and it ends with the team with the most Scharnhorst players winning. Bismarck will be a real nightmare to deal with on top of that
Im shure all 6 naval players agree
Bruh Japan does NOT need another 16" ship, they're gonna be fine with what they already have for a LONG time
I see in the comments a lot of people want Yugoslavia and a lot of people don’t know about it and assume it’s “copy paste” yes Yugoslavia did have lend lease crafts but Yugoslavia and the successor states do have domestic designs from captured German to the hybrid Stuart tanks and even from the kingdom age, also for the rankV+ if you look up YugoImports they have tons of crazy designs you can see made mostly in Serbia, and the crazy car hybrids from the civil war like the zastava 750 with a m60 anti tank gun, don’t get me wrong I do believe Yugoslavia would need some help as a independent tree which is why I think Bulgaria can be a great sub-TT and for the 2 naval players, Yugoslavia had a decent navy from 1920 cruisers to Cold War missile boats like the Končar-class and much more including aircraft from Soko and ikarus making their own aircraft designs
Edit: there is a lot I didn’t mention but it’s easy to look it up yourself if you wish too this is just a small gist
Ye bro. Tbh with all the talks about Poland, they should just combine Poland and Yugoslavia or sum
Add YUGOSLAVIA!!!
what? who?
where?
There is no yugoslavia
Shitty mig-29 with R-60Ms only no R-27 or R-73 💀
@@FutureGohanGlazerwhat is bro talking about? The MiG29B is capable of carrying r60mk, r73rdm2 r27RE1 and r27TE1 and unofficially the r77 as well
@Feegusius fr bro. And if they wanna add poland so much they should combine poland and yugoslavia
I can now watch the 10 hour loop of Sabaton Birsmark
Bismarck was a good ship but it got sent on a suicide mission with no proper support. It would be best if you read about Operation Rheinübung.
Kriegsmarine after the Bismarck amoracked the Hood: "You know whats a great idea after making the Royal Navy angry enough to sent an massive amount of ships to hunt down 1 ship? Lets make that ship face them without any support!"
It is what it is niqqa
We’re so back Swordfish bros
imo it'd make the most sense to have Polish sub tree in the British one. The most widely produced Polish tanks, TK-3, TKS and 7TP were based on British vehicles.
Polish tankers fought on Cromwells, Churchills, Shermans and Stewarts. Polish pilots flew in Hurricanes and Spitfires. Polish sailors served on British-made destroyers and submarines.
And from a meta perspective Britain really needs a breath of fresh air to become relevant again. With the amount of different stuff Poland had in its arsenal it'd benefit Britain a lot.
because everyone enjoys leoaprd Thunder already let's give britain Leopards with the already good air tree ignore the fact 99% of anything Poland ahs tank wise is Either US or german modern day,You also seem to forget gaijin IF i recall did say India was gonna belong in Britain meaning on top of I want to say Su33s its going to have quite a bit of other things like T-90S Bhishma,
T-90MS Bhishma, Bhishma Mk III, T-72 Ajeya, Ajeya MK2, Arjun, Zorawar LT
I wonder where would Poland go. Big three already have a lot of vehicles, France has Dutch and Belgium subtree, UK has ZA sub tree, China has NK subtree if you are correct, Italy has Hungary subtree, Sweden has Finland subtree, only Japan and Israel has no subtree yet while not being the big three. But tbh Poland has K2, M1A2 and Leopard 2A5, any TT with Poland subtree will immediately go to S tier top tier.
You think it’d work if they combined Poland with Yugoslavia?
BMD-1/2/3/4M should be added to the Soviets , BMDs are better than BMPs. They can be airdropped , amphibious, and they are very fast and just better than BMPs
I don’t think you’re giving the Bismarck enough credit. It absolutely had a huge impact on the Royal Navy by tying up forces just from the fear of it breaking out into the Atlantic.
Also, it destroyed a much beloved battle cruiser. And it took a ton of damage to sink the dang thing after it was hopelessly outnumbered.
It was a masterfully commanded battleship and deserves a place among the finest warships of the era.
its sister ship did more for the war effort without firing a single shell then the bismarck did, it only sunk the hood because of a lucky shot. it was pretty much disabled by a single battle ship (rodney) and it ended up being sunk by a biplane, it wasnt the finest warship.
@@datcheesecakeboi6745didn't the swordfish only destroy the rudder forcing the bismarck into circles, leading to the crew scuttling the ship
@@abioticlife9087 no? the battleship critically damaged the bismarck, causing the circles, the swordfish sunk it, people claimed it was scuttled but it was too damaged to be scuttled
i hope we get BeNeLux ground sub-tree next update.
It may have lasted one year but it got hunted by half the royal navy and got crippled in the most unlucky way. From a torpedo from a swordfish that jammed the rudder... Still a mystery how the swordfishes reached close enough to launch their torpedos and did not get shot down. Despite that. During the next battle it basically became target practice for the royal navy. Even then, the brits could not sink it. It was finally the germans themselves that scuttled it. It was a great ship, ahead of its time in design but it lacked the support any capital ship needs. The whole idea to send it alone in the atlantic to raid convoys showed some serious incopetence up in the command chain.
FROM THE MIST A SHAPE A SHIP IS TAKING FORM, AND THE SILENCE OF THE SEA IS ABOUT TO DRIFT INTO A STORM!
Another day, another massive gap in the US SPAA line
If you're interested in how AESA radar works, you should check out how 5G signals for our phones are transmitted. It's basically the same concept, and there's a lot more public info about 5G basestations than there ever will be about military AESA radar.
6:12 Johnny Horton intensifies
The Bismarck was fine as a ship, but the aera of battleships was over with the introduction of planes.
not at all?
Hahahaah you probably didn't play ships, try any plane to destroy a modern ship good luck
Some dataminer said on the previous leak list posted on reddit that there are some more romanian vehicles in the pipeline, maybe we will get more stuff for Italy in the future.
Is it just me or do we get the „new subtrees“ part every video, with just the same information? Yes there will be subtree xyz in the future, but we dk when or where it will be added??? Why keep clickbaiting with it over and over again when its all just speculations?
Because that's what TEC does.
Hope of a complete new nation ( Turkey or South/North Korea TT )
They need views, LOTS OF VIEWS
Oh and the Type 15 has a bustle autoloader with blowoutpanels
Still waiting for the Czechoslovak sub tree, it can offer sooo much, even in the pre-war era and it makes me mad, that North Korea has it´s own tree sooner with what they got in their army xd
Fr bro. And the yugo tech tree
They should add some upgraded Type 62 variants before type 15. The type 62G is interesting for example.
Idk why but i really want a polish T-34s
Bulgaria is also using the Osa anti air system. In fact, its one of our few😅
17:25 It took me some time to understand he was saying AESA radar cause he was saying A E S A
i feel like if the koreas got their own tech tree that would be much cooler than if they were both sub techtrees
it can give people a taste of western and eastern style mbts
For Korea it would be interesting to have a single Korean tech tree with both the DPRK & ROK together, just like they did with the Chinese tech tree
When the Bismarck comes out, I wanna see SMS Bismarck versus HMS hood legendary battle
the hood found the Bismark and on that fatal day
I don't think Poland should be added to Britain.Even their political ties are not so huge. Polish soldiers fought with the British during WW2 but that's it. Britain recognized lately the Polish government in exile. They used some Shermans and British planes but that's it. I mean most of their vehicles from cold war, contemporary times have nothing to do with Britain. It would be the same as putting them in the US tree because they ordered Abrams and used Shermans ... Honestly with such a complete tree for Cold War / High tier, I think Poland deserves its own tech tree starting at 4.7 a bit like Israel.
I think like a united central European tree could be a good idea like a polish /Czech/Slovakian TT to also avoid any controversy
atleast israel has its own unique top tier, poland doesnt, its just a bunch of soviet tanks then nato tanks, hell the only unique polish tanks were from the interwar period, ww2 it was using allied tanks
If we want to get serious and forget for a moment this is just a game, the fact that under pressure from Stalin, the Poles were banned from any participation in the great victory parade in London should put an end to the idea of adding them to the British tree. Give them an independent tree.
I prefer it being added to Britain over Gaijin seeing that most of our tanks are soviet and adding us to russia. I would lose my shit and delete the account instantly, as I'm sure a lot of Polish players would do.
I'm fine with separate tech tree, however, we would struggle with air. It would be basically 3 or 4 unique aircraft and the rest just like Israel - copy paste with different cammo. I grinded out the whole ground tree because it's interesting and fun (for me), however, the air and helicopters is just simply boring and I've got no interest in it since I already have most of the vehicles Israel has, just in a different trees.
There is also the issue of Germany already having the Leo PL, which would need to be either reskined (maybe) or moved to Britain / separate tech tree (won't happen). Otherwise we are losing one vehicle in that tree.
I think at this point WT should drop national tech trees, and just create some sort of "company/manufacturer" tech trees. This would make things way easier for them.
@@2727daqwid what about manufacturers that got brought out/no longer exist?
Also 80% of the tanks in the game would be moved to either BAE, The 2 Russian companies or some American company
14:28 i think that 🇵🇱 is going to be not like Israel because we have in Poland for example 7 tp, tks and more of tanks and its from a before the war
still waiting on submarines to be added to naval
They should honestly just add Poland and Yugoslavia together. It makes no sense to me why they’d add it to Britain or any other country.
BR is directly tied not just with vehicle stats but also game mode and map design.
Most ships in the game are at the same br because gaijin refuses to fix the maps, forcing everyone into one play style where a single type of ship dominates.
Due to the map design, each tech tree cannot utilize it's full potential leading to a single tree dominating, thus funneling more and more vehicles into said nation as it becomes the meta.
For true balance and fairness to all. Gaijin should focus alot on fixing their game mode instead of new vehicles. The roadmaps were what made War thunder more fun, not Insanely broken vehicles
I'm really hoping for an Argintine air subtree for Germany, something to beef up the top tier options.
Btw the Germans have several polish vehicles to
He is shitting on how short lived the bismarck was even though the whole british navy was after it and when they found it the only reason they managed to kill it was because of a lucky torpedo hit on the rudder which of course they couldn't fix on the spot😂🤦♂️
I'm a Pole and Polish War Thunder Community wants polish sub tree or normal tree since like 2013 so if it would be added it would be very nice
if Poland ever to be added into the game they should make it named intermarium and add the Slovaks, Yugo's, and Ukrainian tanks and jets/planes into the game
Considering the fact that France got air Benelux 2 updates ago, with leaked ground list (and most leaked vehicles have hidden files in game), that Italy had the same calendar last year with Hungary, and got the ground free at this update, and lastly that Germany is getting a Benelux produced turret event vehicle (cockerill), every and any leaklist that does not mention a Benelux ground line for France will be deemed as false to me
Blohm & Voss are ship builders. They still exists.
The only reason the Bismarck sank so quickly into its career is because it got hunted down by planes and ships just because it was scuttled so quickly isn’t because it was a bad ship battleships we’re already getting outclassed by it’s time
Imo north korea sub tree to china tree
South korea sub tree to japan tree
And polish should be added later when there will be K2 in game
I don't see the Spyder working in game. My country acquired some from Israel, but from what I see, it requires 2 vehicles, the Radar, and the one carrying the Launcher. this could work as an airbase spaa, or they could somehow pull a towed radar.
It’s going to be the Spyder AiO which carries its own radar (aesa I think) and 4 or 8 python 5 with 15 km range and derby with 20 or 40 km range (depending on the model)
@@C8-H8 oh, if that's the case then it might just actually work.
We gonna get Mexico before Yugoslavia
The Czech guy asking for it in the Facebook WT page will continue his suffering.
If they add the Bismark and not the Littorio I ll cry
North Korea for China and South Korea for Japan maybe? Japan could really use some of their vehicles. And maybe rename the tech tree to "JP/SK" or something to not piss off both communities
North Korea would make sense but the only thing really barring it's existence outside of just more ussr vehicles from the cold war would be any source of credible info. By all means they might just be slapping Era on top of a cold war t-55 and parading fake "modern" vehicles. Honestly put I wouldn't be surprised if all the numbers given to gaijin for chinese and russian vehicles are extremely inflated numbers ignoring gaijin "balancing" vehicles. There is an odd lack of logic behind alot of vehicle models and they of course will guestimate these numbers even more so from the so called hermit kingodom. And the weird South Korea and Japan combo while logical is very unlikely do to odd national grievances. It doesn't really occur much among the younger citizens it seems but that was the supposed reason for Thailand to be tossed into the Japanese tree with the f5e which ironically isn't even indigenously Thai but an american shell filled with Israeli electronics..... Well either way more vehicles would be nice or they could just throw out a South Korean tree straight out and do what they did with Israel and start em rank 5 with the cold war era vehicles.
The forum would explode if Gaijin add SK to Japan tree
Every Korean who plays warthunder is gonna end it all if Korea is added to Japan tree
@@danielwang6201 yeah true, so what im saying is why not rename it to something like "East Asia" or whatever, even tho it wont have Taiwan it can still get a lot of Malaysian/Indonesian/Singaporean vehicles together with the SK
It would be a loud minority the majority wouldn't give a fuck(South korea has bigger IRL issues).If SK won't be added as it's own nation or as a sub tree for Japan they shouldn't add it all the US doesn't need any sub tree in any shape or form
The thing about NK sub-tree, I don't think China needs it. Iirc, Gaijin mainly adds sub-trees to nations that need a sub-tree to bolster it. I don't see where China is lacking enough to warrant a sub-tree.
im still waiting for dutch crew on the new ifv, ill take that over a dutch tree because i want some actual dutch smacktalking in game
Trust gaijin to add, bismark as tech tree then tirpitz as a premium to cash in on that bismark class hype
This leak is having a laugh if they think two sub trees are coming in one update, unless they are 100% copy paste.
As soon as the Bismarck is added. I'm dusting off my swordfish
6:20
From the mist, a shape,a ship, is taking form
And the silence of the sea is about to drift into a storm
🗣️🔥🔥
SABATON RAAAHHHH
I would love it if they add SK to Japan, since Japan is really lacking in vehicles, but I get that players would have a problem with it. I wish SK could be a small tech tree like Israel.
Yorck class is the battle cruiser, ersatz yorck class, 15inch guns, dought it will be armoured cruiser
Huh, armored cruiser Yorck feels like an odd addition. It feels like the unfinished battlecruiser Yorck would be a better fit for naval
If they adding Bismarck. They better add Littorio to Italy
Yeah air power isn’t a thing in naval anymore since Gaijin keeps adding SAMs to it. Then people wonder why battleships dominate the entire mode 6.0 onwards. Its even worse in EC.
Update
"Chollima"
Possible North Korean tech subtree (China Tech Tree)
Tanks:
T-34-85 Medium Tank
IS-2 Heavy Tank
T-54 MBT/Type 59 MBT
Ch'onma-ho MBT (T-62)
Pokpung-ho MBT (T-62ish)
Songun-915 MBT (T-72ish)
Cheonma-2 MBT (Little bit of this, little bit of that, a misbegotten bastard. Ever get the feeling that NK is basically Mordor?)
PT-76 Light Tank
Shin'heung Light Tank
Tank Destroyer:
SU-76 AG
SU-100 TD
VTT-323/100 mm gun
9P122 Malyutka ATGM
Bulsae-4 ATGM TD
Antiair:
Model 1978 SPAAG (37 mm)
Model 1989 SPAAG (30 mm)
IFV:
Model 2010 APC
BTR-80A IFV
SPH:
Tokch'on Model 1974 SPH (152 mm/L34)
Model 1977 SPH (122 mm/L38)
Chuch'e'po Model 1991 SPH (122 mm/L52.9)
Fighters:
Yak-9P
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15
Shenyang F-5
Shenyang J-6
Chengdu J-7
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21PFM/MF/bis
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 (9.12B)
Bombers:
Ilyushin Il-10
Ilyushin Il-28
Sukhoi Su-7
Sukhoi Su-25
Helicopters:
Mil Mi-24
Boeing MD-500
The koksan would also be cool and the m2020 as a toptier vehicle
As a Pole, I'd disagree with the sub tree being in Britain. I think it'd be better as a stand alone along with czechia, romania, or maybe even slovakia/other yugoslav vehicles. Otherwise I don't know, theres a lot of US vehicles it adopted in the modern day.
north korean tech tree be like stock T-34-85 with gen 1 thermals at 8.7
If they add the Bismarck, without increasing the BR of Naval, not to mention adding other nations 1930s BBs, they'll simply be no point in playing Naval unless it's a German ship.
If the ZTQ15 is added, I would be already laughing at the T-90S
OSA! FINALLY!
My favorite cold war AA system right after TOR!
The model of Bismarck leaked and gagjin taking a pish
If they finally adding German super battleship now they can counter all nation ships one but her aa kept missing shots like Star Wars stormtrooper
Bombers are gonna have hard time because of in game bots and missile vessels will shoot bombers so easily
The US needs a new top tier AA, the ADATS cant hit anything past 4 miles... which is a problem
We need the SLAMRAAM Humvee with 120s and aim9xs
Que sabaton bismark while playing as bismarck
Yugoslavia when
Add ROSOMAK to the Polish tree.
Yeah, can't wait to wait 15 minutes to get into a 1v1 naval battle full of AI ships.
Oh lord please let the ZTQ-15 come to the game i dont care about anything else
Indian/South African Captured OSA would be nice too
If the Bismarck comes in I have to ask, where the hell is our Colorado Class or North Carolina Class? The US 14 inch guns are amazing both in game and historically but come on.
I can only pray that the bismarck is added or submarines, but im losing hope