What's your favorite dungeon from Ocarina of Time? Mine is, by far, the Shadow Temple. ... and of course I gave that one to Monster Maze for his video... curses!!
Hey bandit I love your vids. I have a vid idea for you, what if goddess hylia broke the master sword to kill demise inside and now you have to repair it and kill Gannon once and for all! It it would be a good Zelda story line I mean hylia is in tears of the kingdom and the master sword is broke based off of the E3 clip we saw so many that is the story line who knows?
In regards to the Poe sisters, Satoru Takizawa (character designer) said that they were once beautiful priestesses whose desire to protect the temple were used to manipulate them, which is why you see Meg crying when you've defeated the others.
I would guess the reason they don't just eat the rock blocking the cave is because they can only eat certain rocks that are only fond in the cavern after all humans eat plants but only certain ones so they must not be able to eat the rock that blocks the cavern
I think the better question instead of "Why didn't the Gorons eat the rock blocking the entrance to the cave" is "Why didn't the Gorons think of using their 'special crop' to blow it up?"
To be fair to the Gorons... they did at least get that far. They were trying to roll down the mountainside with bomb flowers but couldn't get there fast enough. However, what they didn't think of.... was just throwing one from the overlook like Link does. x'D
I'm pretty sure in OOT they tell link they have developed such an appetite for the dodongo rocks that they can't handle eating normal rocks anymore. That could be why they didn't eat their way through
I like to think that Ganon placed all the giant Gerudo blocks. He could still hold a fanatical love for his home, while still being evil. My favorite temple is the Water Temple. Best music, and coolest mini boss.
He always keeps his Gerudo symbolism while in his human form, in one way or another. Even Demon King Ganondorf from totk has Gerudo symbols all over his primary weapons.
As my first Zelda game, OOT has a special place in my heart. Thank you for making this video. The Dungeons in this game are probably what makes the Zelda series so incredible
Just want to give one theory a tweak. I think it would make more sense (seeing there's other temples and whatnot) to say that Meg is the former Forest Sage, and her sisters are just there in her service (i.e. not sages). In medieval times, it was very common for principal nobles' brothers to serve as their vassal. Since only one could be the Lord of a specific land, the brothers became a noble of the level below. So Meg was a Forest Sage and her sisters are there in service of her Sageship.
The idea of the Poe Sisters being four of the five deceased Sages has me now wondering if maybe, just maybe, the Poe that guides Link across the Haunted Wasteland to the Spirit Temple might be the fifth deceased Sage.
My thoughts went to Twinrova herself... it is said that Ganondorf killed the sages and cursed the temples so the new sages could not awake (or something like that). However... if the sisters really were four of the five sages (and I doubt that, yet my conclusion is the same), than Ganondorf didn't kill the spirit Sage... and maybe didn't even needed to. It seems like Ganondorf hasn't been at the spirit temple for a long time... the temple is not cursed by him yet you have the koume and kotake who raised and guided Ganondorf to become their powerful chosen hero... much like Rauru did with Link. We can't find any clues to the former Spirit sage, because the ancient spirit sage never died... it was her own choice to ignore Raurus calling. So instead of cleansing the spirit temple of a curse, Link without knowing had to get rid of the ancient sage who betrayed the rest of the sages yet still protected their holy place. By killing Twinrova, Naboru became the new sage, trying to redeem what the old sage had done and helping Link and the Gerudos as a whole on that matter onto a better path.
2:31 I remember reading a short comic about it: Link "Don't you guys eat rocks? Why don't you eat that rock that's at the entrance? Or any rocks from the outside?" Goron "Ah, of course...Well, don't you people eat plants? Why don't you just eat the grass of the fields instead of farming some specific edible plants? Or chew on some tree bark?"
My headcanon for a long time has been that the Fabulously Wealthy Family who live in Kakariko defiled a preexisting Forest Temple and built a mansion over it. This would eventually come back to bite them, hence the curse that turns them into Skulltulas, and they fled to presumably a summer house or something in Kakariko. I've been a proponent of the Goddess of the Sand being a distorted version of Hylia for a long time, particularly given the Zelda's Lullaby-connected locks therein.
Something I thought about is that the Sand Goddess could be the 8th Heroine in Botw. Considering that the snakes do seem to have a weird connection to the snakes in tears of the kingdom. Maybe the Sand Goddess is the person in the shot with Zelds. Weatger or not that is Hylia remains to be seen.
I think it’s probably a stretch to assume that the Poe sisters were the sages, as well as to attribute the gerudo blocks to the sages when there are gerudo blocks in dodongo’s cavern and other temples too.
Yeah the block isn't really a good argument since ganons messed with all the temple and he's a gerudo. He probably put em there since they're found in multiple temples
Always liked that theory that the Forest Temple was used as a safe haven of sorts during the Hyrulean Civil War and that the Poe Sisters were slain during that time, which could tie to the Little Women reference in their names.
Correct me if im wrong, but doesnt Navi tell you that the Poe sisters are Priestresses from the temple? Concidering that, they all have a deeper connection to the forest temple. So I dont think it would make a lot of sense to say that they are the ancient sages.
While watching the Forest Temple section, I realized... The Lost Woods has shortcuts to Zora's River and Goron City, giving 2 of the 3 poe sisters quick access to their respective temples if we buy into the theory that they are the sages 👀
In my opinion the forest temple was Hyrule Castle from years past and was abandoned. In Twilight Princess old Hyrule remains is in sacred grove basically lost woods as time progresses hylians could migrate elsewhere. The forest temple has a courtyard two of them, and in the courtyard when you look up it looks like a wall for a castle, the room with the black and white tiles could be a dinning room and the room with a Poe sister could be a kitchen, other rooms look like bedrooms or training grounds, and the bottom floor where the boss is could be a living quarters for someone big living there. I also heard that the Poe sisters where not evil possible just brainwashed by ganondorf and all they were doing was protecting the forest temple but the reason why the final Poe is making a weird noise where the elevator is, is because she’s crying that all her sisters were just murdered by a intruder.
The one issue is Beamos. Beamos seem to have been a Goron invention (as they have the Goron race symbol on them.) Though one can argue that Ganondorf may have corrupted the ones inside, turning the once "Guardians" into enforcers of his will... and suddenly this is sounding very familiar.
Great theories as usual! Here’s some of my my ideas about these dungeons. For Dodongo’s Cavern, the Gorons most likely didn’t eat the boulder blocking the entrance because that type of rock is not edible. It’s like how humans can eat plants, but we can’t eat all plants. The Forest temple was most likely a military base that also functioned as a summer vacation home for the royal family. It was most likely attacked and destroyed during the Hyrulean Civil war and the royal family decided not to rebuild it. The Poe sisters were probably the caretakers of the fortress and were unfortunate casualties of the invasion. I believe the ancient sages Rauru was referring to were the five spirits that we see in Twilight Princess. During times of peace, these spirits are the ones who watch over the sacred realm. However, when the sacred realm is threatened, they call on their living counterparts of the era.
Mine’s the weird grotto under the entrance to the Sacred Forest Meadow’s maze, as that’s clearly something that got made early on and was recycled into its current function.
Fun fact the forest temple was actually the first section worked on in the game initially ocarina of time was meant to have a castle as the hub like Mario 64 and you would jump through paintings as well a remenant of this would be the paintings in the boss fight however the idea was scrapped but it was later turned into the forest temple
I also read that the Forest temple was supposed to be a wind temple, hence why there are wind symbols in the forest temple, also when you try to save saria in ganondorf's tower, her section has fans blowing in the room right before you re-awaken saria.
I kinda wonder if the Four Poe Sisters are somehow linked to the Four Sword since the Four Sword has been created with the Picori Blade getting Fixed after being broken by Vaati, and then it was fueled with the power of the Four elements, which are Earth (purple), Fire (red), Water (blue) and Wind (Green), similar to the Poe Sisters. In two Games where Link gets it, it automatically duplicates him into 4 with each one representing a color of one of the 4 elements.
Maybe the 4 Poe sisters are actually the 4 parts of the former sage of the forest temple, just separated and brainwashed into protecting the temple at all costs?
If you don't cross over the island in the Dark Link room, you can watch Link's reflection run to it :P I think the sand goddess was originally supposed to be Din (whom in early material was EEEEEEVIL???), Saw that in something anyway...
Ocarina of time was the first zelda game I ever played. It will always have such a special place in my heart. ❤ I love how much work you put into this. It's funny and engaging and I always learn something new. Thank you for all you do 🥰
The Fire Temple has to be my favorite! I’m Muslim (duh!) so when I heard about the Athan or call to prayer in the original Fire Temple, I got goosebumps. :] It made me feel like the Gorons, though physically separated in cages, were praying together in Jamah ( which is the Friday congregation prayer at the Mosque) and that Link in his fresh red tunic was God’s answer to their prayers.
@@SterbiusMcGurbius No, no one was actually reportedly offended. Nintendo just thought it was better to be safe than sorry, so they removed the chanting in subsequent versions.
This one was edited well, especially the intro between you and "Donny!" I thought it was neat that you used panning around 0:45. It's a nice little detail
I always thought that one of the Gorons mentioned that the rocks blocking the cave were so repulsive that any goron that tried to eat the blockade vomited, thus making the starvation problem even worse, but I might be misremembering.
It always threw me off the way some of those rocks (when opening dodongo cavern) look like curled up Gorons, it always gave me the impression the seal was made using Goron corpses
I was expecting him to theorize that twinrova was the sage of spirits before neburu was, would explain why they weren’t at the forest temple and how ganondorf knew about each temple’s location
I believe twinrove were originally the spirit sage who betrayed the others while rauru wasnt around as they were gathered in the forest temple discussing her adopting ganondorf
Perhaps the reason the Gorons didn't eat the rock blocking Dodongo's cavern is that the Gorons wanted to keep the dodongo infestation trapped INSIDE???
I made it early this time!! My favorite is probably the Shadow temple due to the music, aesthetics, and mystery/lore. Yes, it’s straightforward in terms of difficulty, but that’s not the ~point~, you know? It’s meant to elicit fear and dread, show you the dark underbelly of hyrule. Thus, the developers really understood the assignment.
The forest temple was my favorite as a kid because of the music, plus as the first adult dungeon I always struggled with it until I got better so it was so satisfying to finally be able to get through it by myself
The way I understood the whole cavern mess was that the gorons we're being eaten by the dodongos and they sealed up the cave, not Ganon. Maybe I misread the duologue, but thats what I thought growing up
I don't know why and I may be 100% off here, but I always assumed it was implied that the Spirit Goddess was Twinrova herself, hence why it's so shocking to Link when they merge up into their united form and Link is like oh holy crap now this whole place makes sense. I mean they were 500 years old, so they could have built their own temple long long ago in anticipation of the day of Ganondorf's arrival or some such jazz...
I think you're right. That would make it make more sense why they are the mother(s) of Ganondorf. The prophecy of a Gerudo male being born every 100 years would then be answered by their goddess. Now I wonder, are all the Gerudo males their son?
My headcanon for Dodongo's cavern was that Goron's knew they could eat their way inside but were aware of the resurrected ancient creatures inside, so they allowed the rock seal to remain in place to keep them sealed in rather than have to fight the ancient creatures themselves.
That ignores the fact of Gorons trying to destroy the boulder blocking the entrance, rolling down the mountain with bomb flowers but failing to reach said entrance.
The reason that the Gorons didn't eat the rocks blocking the cavern was simple... Stomach ache. XD They were gourmets lol. They only could stomach the rocks in the cavern lol. This is even mentioned in the game. (Not the stomach ache part, but the gourmet part)
Well if the Poe sisters were the ancient sages of forest, fire, water, and shadow, and the ancient sage of spirit was a gerudo, I think the best explanation for why the sage of spirit wasn’t with them was that they had a more important obligation. I suggest that they were a previous gerudo king, since only one male is born per century and they always lead the gerudo people there must have been gerudo kings before ganondorf who weren’t necessarily evil.
The four Poe sisters, imo, were four priestesses who each held a sacred colored flame, which when applied to the sacred barriers in the main hall of the Forest Temple, acted as a key which opened the way to the Forest Sages chamber, which they could use to enter the Chamber of Sages. I also think the reason the Forest Temple was such a big, imposing, stone structure was because anything built in a forest will be overtaken by it in time, so it needed to be virtually impenetrable in order to protect the entrance to the Chamber of Sages. And it's designed in a Greco-Roman style because those countries are very mountainous and, outside of Asia, very ancient (?) I noticed this with the Viridian City's Earth Gym in the Pokemon anime too, it had a sort of Greco-Roman feel to it, and its guards looked like spartan warriors.
It has dungeons, they're just very short. There's also one specific shrine that is very dungeon-like, starting as a Test of Strength before the floor opens and lets you explore several rooms with puzzles and keys before ending with a room full of Guardians.
@@themodfather9382 The story, the characters, the sense of exploration. I agree that it's not the revolutionary masterpiece that Nintendo seems to believe it is, but it's not terrible.
To the “why don’t The gorons eat The entrance blocking rock” question my guess is that that rock is not an edible rock for them just like not all plants are edible plants to us. Just as we cannot eat poison ivy or turf grass they probably can’t eat that very specific kind of rock
Personal head canon I came up with just now is that the Poe sisters were of a rival royal family, who the Hyrulian royal family defeated, with the sisters being casualties. They then took over their castle, and plopped on a Triforce in the top room. Over time the Poe sisters began haunting the place more and more, and it was abandoned... In fact the whole area around the castle was haunted and then abandoned. Yada yada, then years later people came here and worshipped stuff and made it a secluded temple
My theory about the rock wall is that maybe it’s not the type of rock that the Gorons eat, maybe the Gorons had to eat a pacific type of rock or maybe that rock might be cursed by Ganondorf, since he was the one who put it there.
I think the Poe Sisters are more likely priestesses who followed the Forest Sage if anything. With Meg being the head priestess. I don't think the old sages would become evil spirits. I've always thought they just reincarnated into their current selves. Whether they stayed the same race or not is unknown. The ancient Goron Hero could've also been the ancient Fire Sage. Though having combined symbols and dungeon mechanisms would make sense that each of the ancient sages helped build the temples of the other sages. Which would be why similar puzzles and trap are found in multiple temples.
i have been following theories an lore on TLOZ for most of my adult life and let me tell you, your forest temple theoriy with the 4 sages is...very freaking sweet, it all connects so well. kudos and keep them coming.
Someone may have perhaps said this already, but I wonder if the four Poe Sisters in the Forest Temple really are the ghosts of past Sages, maybe the Phantom Guide in the Haunted Wasteland, who you meet on the way to the Desert Colossus in Ocarina of Time, was the missing fifth Sage, the former Sage of Spirit..?
Hold on, I'm only 2 and a half minutes into this, but Ganon didn't put the rock in front of the mine, Darunia put the rock there! Ganon used magic to bring back the Dodongos in the cavern. They are so dangerous to the Gorons that he blocked off the mine to keep the Gorons safe.
I hope you experts see this. I've always been interested in the ruins of BotW. Many of them are still unexplained. I wonder, has anyone tried to compare the ruins with the INTERIOR layouts of the dungeons from earlier Zelda games?
Dodongo cave would make more sense if Ganondorf simply revived King Dodongo in the cave and the Gorons blocked the entrance to the cave to prevent its escape
13:37 Considering what you said about the Poe Sisters in the Forest Temple, it’s likely the Poe here in the Haunted Wastes is the previous Spirit Sage. Without further research, it’s hard to say how true that might be. However it would fit nicely into the mix as the Sage to Poe pattern established in the Forest Temple.
2:24 same reason we put effort and time into buying potatoes and chicken instead of eating lawn grass and squirrel. Just because something is edible don't mean it's food.
I seem to remember that Ganondorf didn’t put the Boulder there, Darunia did in response to the dodongos. Especially with how easily Link gets in there after getting the strength of a goron
In the German version, (maybe English too, idk) one of the Gorons says that they're picky eaters who can hardly eat anything else than the delicious Rocks from Dodongos Cavern, wich is most likely why they can't eat the boulder thats blocking the entrance.
They do say that in English, too! While it comes across as a little silly, I appreciate that they do try to explain it. And it fits the (somewhat) lighter tone of Young Link's adventures.
I always believe that the reason behind of "why the gorons never try to enter dodongo's goron?" Was just that Darunia gave the order to not doing it... You know, they fear what would ganondorf could have done there... Or at least that's what I believed all this time, it's part or been a leader... Decide tough things trying the best for their people...
Every time I play the Forest Temple, I remember that somebody at Nintendo was a Louisa May Alcott fan. RIP to the Little Women - I mean the Poe Sisters. 😅
The Godess of the sand is Din. The Gigaleak revealed it via the games script. Yeah it's beta, but if we're going down "which Goddess is it" Din would make the most sense as she actually existed at the time and she has a connection with Ganondorf via the Triforce of Power.
Whether it is Din, or Hylia, or whoever, I find it just so strange the way that Navi describes that Goddess's face as "looking evil". I know it's meant as a puzzle hint (shine light at the statue's face), but it's just strange to me. Nothing about the Goddess or her statue seems "evil", it's like people (in-universe) just decided it was evil because the Gerudo were worshipping it.
It does have a snake and given din's connection to ganaondwarf. It is possible that din has more malevolent intentions when worshipped on her own. We never really see what worshipping the three separately looks like, so maybe din is more monstrous when worshipped on her own. Plus, that giant statue is creepy.
The part about the Gerudo emblem on the blocks isn't a very solid theory, since the same asset is used in all the stone blocks in every OoT dungeon. Additionally, the same pattern appears in Majora's Mask, where every stone block that appears has the Majora's Mask sillhouette engraved on them. This feels more like asset-economy rather than a conspicuous lore drop.
I was in school when OoT came out. The entire Great Deku tree having a dungeon for insides made me think of Link as a chipmunk. A friend drew me an awesome picture of Link as a chipmunk that hung on my wall for a couple decades.
If I had to make a wile guess, Gorons probably need a specific or several specific minerals and that's why they can't just eat any random rock or need to eat specific rocks like volcanic ones that are rich in whatever they need.
The Gorons can't eat that big boulder because it's inedible. Also, Darunia was trying to think of a plan to fight off the Dodogos without sacrificing his people
Well this was the first time I heard that the Poe sister might be sages… so it stands to reason if that was the case, the sage of spirit might be the Poe in the haunted wasteland?
The Poe sisters doesnt make sense if you subscribe to the idea that the sages are dead, ya know like Darunia getting defeated by Volvagia so its his spirit that rises as a sage. Now if Ganon destroys their spirit they become…. poes…? Seems farfetched. I think it makes much more sense that they are corrupted priestesses, many temples were previously used for worship.
Link: "bubba" Darunia: "We're starving. We need rocks to eat but Dodongo's cavern is blocked by a boulder." Link: "Why don't you eat the boulder?" Darunia: "OHHHHHHH!!" num num num yum num
“why didn’t they eat the rock blocking the cavern?” darunia mentions them being ‘such gourmets’ that they can’t eat normal rocks anymore, they’ve evolved their taste to only like rocks from inside the cavern.
Considering the ease of removing the boulder closing Dodongo Cavern, I assume the gorons put it there to keep the dodongos inside. They call them an a ancient menace so it's unlikely they're well versed in fighting them. And I assume the beamos were put there by Ganondorf as an additional obstacle, but I'm only guessing that because they're the first thing you see in Ganon's Castle later on and that they're tan which makes me think they're gerudo-made.
I think gorons swallow rocks whole or atleast cut them into small pieces before eating. The boulder was too large for them to eat or break... Still i don't get why they couldn't just explode it like we did maybe they're just dumb
What's your favorite dungeon from Ocarina of Time? Mine is, by far, the Shadow Temple.
... and of course I gave that one to Monster Maze for his video... curses!!
I always loved the vibe of the forest temple. The ambiance is incredible !
Awesome video
my favorite dungeon in oot is the spirit temple, it feels the most different to me.
Hey bandit I love your vids. I have a vid idea for you, what if goddess hylia broke the master sword to kill demise inside and now you have to repair it and kill Gannon once and for all! It it would be a good Zelda story line I mean hylia is in tears of the kingdom and the master sword is broke based off of the E3 clip we saw so many that is the story line who knows?
I to love The Shadow Temple the atmosphere and dead hands Is just what makes it so great for me
In regards to the Poe sisters, Satoru Takizawa (character designer) said that they were once beautiful priestesses whose desire to protect the temple were used to manipulate them, which is why you see Meg crying when you've defeated the others.
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I would guess the reason they don't just eat the rock blocking the cave is because they can only eat certain rocks that are only fond in the cavern after all humans eat plants but only certain ones so they must not be able to eat the rock that blocks the cavern
Humans have farms.
Gorons have mines.
Make sense to me
Always thought that explanation made sense. That's saying that humans should just eat a giant oak tree because we eat plants.
@@davisbowe8668 But rocks are rocks...
@@nightwalker174 Go eat some grass and let us know how that went
Because, you know, plants are plants
@@nightwalker174 A geologist would argue otherwise.
I think the better question instead of "Why didn't the Gorons eat the rock blocking the entrance to the cave" is "Why didn't the Gorons think of using their 'special crop' to blow it up?"
To be fair to the Gorons... they did at least get that far. They were trying to roll down the mountainside with bomb flowers but couldn't get there fast enough.
However, what they didn't think of.... was just throwing one from the overlook like Link does. x'D
@@Semudara they lack critical thinking, but they are experts at cool.
I'm pretty sure in OOT they tell link they have developed such an appetite for the dodongo rocks that they can't handle eating normal rocks anymore. That could be why they didn't eat their way through
Bc then there would be no story lol
@@vwxyz3451st Hyrule problems
I like to think that Ganon placed all the giant Gerudo blocks. He could still hold a fanatical love for his home, while still being evil.
My favorite temple is the Water Temple. Best music, and coolest mini boss.
That would possibly explain why there are Gerudo blocks in all kinds of places that don't quite make sense... like inside the Deku Tree, for example.
He always keeps his Gerudo symbolism while in his human form, in one way or another. Even Demon King Ganondorf from totk has Gerudo symbols all over his primary weapons.
The original symbol was a moon and star. That was just a choice made by game developers
As my first Zelda game, OOT has a special place in my heart. Thank you for making this video. The Dungeons in this game are probably what makes the Zelda series so incredible
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It still holds a special place in my heart, too.
I started with TLOZ ALTTP. The new Zelda's went off the cliff edge. OOT and MM are good. OOT's the better game. Skull kid is annoying.
Just want to give one theory a tweak. I think it would make more sense (seeing there's other temples and whatnot) to say that Meg is the former Forest Sage, and her sisters are just there in her service (i.e. not sages). In medieval times, it was very common for principal nobles' brothers to serve as their vassal. Since only one could be the Lord of a specific land, the brothers became a noble of the level below. So Meg was a Forest Sage and her sisters are there in service of her Sageship.
The idea of the Poe Sisters being four of the five deceased Sages has me now wondering if maybe, just maybe, the Poe that guides Link across the Haunted Wasteland to the Spirit Temple might be the fifth deceased Sage.
This was my first thought too!
My thoughts went to Twinrova herself... it is said that Ganondorf killed the sages and cursed the temples so the new sages could not awake (or something like that).
However... if the sisters really were four of the five sages (and I doubt that, yet my conclusion is the same), than Ganondorf didn't kill the spirit Sage... and maybe didn't even needed to.
It seems like Ganondorf hasn't been at the spirit temple for a long time... the temple is not cursed by him yet you have the koume and kotake who raised and guided Ganondorf to become their powerful chosen hero... much like Rauru did with Link.
We can't find any clues to the former Spirit sage, because the ancient spirit sage never died... it was her own choice to ignore Raurus calling.
So instead of cleansing the spirit temple of a curse, Link without knowing had to get rid of the ancient sage who betrayed the rest of the sages yet still protected their holy place.
By killing Twinrova, Naboru became the new sage, trying to redeem what the old sage had done and helping Link and the Gerudos as a whole on that matter onto a better path.
The Poe sisters are named after the main characters from little women the book.
@@btothekfromg5973i LOVE this theory.
Thank you so much! I'm really glad you enjoyed the read 😊
According to an uncovered Koizumi interview, the Poe sisters were all Shrine Maidens who lived in the temple.
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I remember reading a short comic about it:
Link "Don't you guys eat rocks? Why don't you eat that rock that's at the entrance? Or any rocks from the outside?"
Goron "Ah, of course...Well, don't you people eat plants? Why don't you just eat the grass of the fields instead of farming some specific edible plants? Or chew on some tree bark?"
My headcanon for a long time has been that the Fabulously Wealthy Family who live in Kakariko defiled a preexisting Forest Temple and built a mansion over it. This would eventually come back to bite them, hence the curse that turns them into Skulltulas, and they fled to presumably a summer house or something in Kakariko.
I've been a proponent of the Goddess of the Sand being a distorted version of Hylia for a long time, particularly given the Zelda's Lullaby-connected locks therein.
That could be why the fabulously wealthy family is all men, the poe sisters were their female relatives who couldn't escape
my headcanon is that the sand goddess is din and the serpent that accompanies her is volvagia.
Something I thought about is that the Sand Goddess could be the 8th Heroine in Botw. Considering that the snakes do seem to have a weird connection to the snakes in tears of the kingdom. Maybe the Sand Goddess is the person in the shot with Zelds. Weatger or not that is Hylia remains to be seen.
@@ZeldaMcFly Meg would most likely be the wealthy man's wife and the other poes her daughters
I think it’s probably a stretch to assume that the Poe sisters were the sages, as well as to attribute the gerudo blocks to the sages when there are gerudo blocks in dodongo’s cavern and other temples too.
Yeah the block isn't really a good argument since ganons messed with all the temple and he's a gerudo. He probably put em there since they're found in multiple temples
Always liked that theory that the Forest Temple was used as a safe haven of sorts during the Hyrulean Civil War and that the Poe Sisters were slain during that time, which could tie to the Little Women reference in their names.
Correct me if im wrong, but doesnt Navi tell you that the Poe sisters are Priestresses from the temple? Concidering that, they all have a deeper connection to the forest temple. So I dont think it would make a lot of sense to say that they are the ancient sages.
While watching the Forest Temple section, I realized...
The Lost Woods has shortcuts to Zora's River and Goron City, giving 2 of the 3 poe sisters quick access to their respective temples if we buy into the theory that they are the sages 👀
In my opinion the forest temple was Hyrule Castle from years past and was abandoned. In Twilight Princess old Hyrule remains is in sacred grove basically lost woods as time progresses hylians could migrate elsewhere. The forest temple has a courtyard two of them, and in the courtyard when you look up it looks like a wall for a castle, the room with the black and white tiles could be a dinning room and the room with a Poe sister could be a kitchen, other rooms look like bedrooms or training grounds, and the bottom floor where the boss is could be a living quarters for someone big living there. I also heard that the Poe sisters where not evil possible just brainwashed by ganondorf and all they were doing was protecting the forest temple but the reason why the final Poe is making a weird noise where the elevator is, is because she’s crying that all her sisters were just murdered by a intruder.
I like how the lore of the Gorons' dungeons is clear and straight just like how they are
The one issue is Beamos. Beamos seem to have been a Goron invention (as they have the Goron race symbol on them.) Though one can argue that Ganondorf may have corrupted the ones inside, turning the once "Guardians" into enforcers of his will... and suddenly this is sounding very familiar.
Great theories as usual! Here’s some of my my ideas about these dungeons.
For Dodongo’s Cavern, the Gorons most likely didn’t eat the boulder blocking the entrance because that type of rock is not edible. It’s like how humans can eat plants, but we can’t eat all plants.
The Forest temple was most likely a military base that also functioned as a summer vacation home for the royal family. It was most likely attacked and destroyed during the Hyrulean Civil war and the royal family decided not to rebuild it. The Poe sisters were probably the caretakers of the fortress and were unfortunate casualties of the invasion.
I believe the ancient sages Rauru was referring to were the five spirits that we see in Twilight Princess. During times of peace, these spirits are the ones who watch over the sacred realm. However, when the sacred realm is threatened, they call on their living counterparts of the era.
I agree with the Goron eating rocks, maybe it’s some other type of rock
Mine’s the weird grotto under the entrance to the Sacred Forest Meadow’s maze, as that’s clearly something that got made early on and was recycled into its current function.
Fun fact the forest temple was actually the first section worked on in the game initially ocarina of time was meant to have a castle as the hub like Mario 64 and you would jump through paintings as well a remenant of this would be the paintings in the boss fight however the idea was scrapped but it was later turned into the forest temple
I also read that the Forest temple was supposed to be a wind temple, hence why there are wind symbols in the forest temple, also when you try to save saria in ganondorf's tower, her section has fans blowing in the room right before you re-awaken saria.
Blocking the entrance to Dodongo's cavern with a boulder is like blocking a Mcdonalds entrance with a giant quarter pounder.
How did you know I just discovered and binged all the Zelda lore videos in the past two days??? That timing tho
Are you knew to Zelda or just this channel?
@@rainbowsnake1108 Zelda is my entire childhood, especially OOT- I just discovered the channel :)
I kinda wonder if the Four Poe Sisters are somehow linked to the Four Sword since the Four Sword has been created with the Picori Blade getting Fixed after being broken by Vaati, and then it was fueled with the power of the Four elements, which are Earth (purple), Fire (red), Water (blue) and Wind (Green), similar to the Poe Sisters.
In two Games where Link gets it, it automatically duplicates him into 4 with each one representing a color of one of the 4 elements.
Maybe the 4 Poe sisters are actually the 4 parts of the former sage of the forest temple, just separated and brainwashed into protecting the temple at all costs?
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This might also be, but I still wonder if it has a connection to the second most Famous evil busting sword
If you don't cross over the island in the Dark Link room, you can watch Link's reflection run to it :P
I think the sand goddess was originally supposed to be Din (whom in early material was EEEEEEVIL???), Saw that in something anyway...
Ocarina of time was the first zelda game I ever played. It will always have such a special place in my heart. ❤ I love how much work you put into this. It's funny and engaging and I always learn something new. Thank you for all you do 🥰
We've been next level loving your Zelda content lately! We've been looking forward to this one for a minute!
What game is that funny goofy bird in your avi from lol?
The Fire Temple has to be my favorite! I’m Muslim (duh!) so when I heard about the Athan or call to prayer in the original Fire Temple, I got goosebumps. :] It made me feel like the Gorons, though physically separated in cages, were praying together in Jamah ( which is the Friday congregation prayer at the Mosque) and that Link in his fresh red tunic was God’s answer to their prayers.
Weren't some people offended by that?
Love this interpretation. It also helps that the Surah that’s being sung (112 Al-Ikhlas) is one of the most important in the whole Quran.
And wait, you're a Muslim with the account name Islam No Good?
@@SterbiusMcGurbius No, no one was actually reportedly offended. Nintendo just thought it was better to be safe than sorry, so they removed the chanting in subsequent versions.
@@eboone ah gotcha. They have the no religion rule for non Japanese releases.
This one was edited well, especially the intro between you and "Donny!" I thought it was neat that you used panning around 0:45. It's a nice little detail
I always thought that one of the Gorons mentioned that the rocks blocking the cave were so repulsive that any goron that tried to eat the blockade vomited, thus making the starvation problem even worse, but I might be misremembering.
It always threw me off the way some of those rocks (when opening dodongo cavern) look like curled up Gorons, it always gave me the impression the seal was made using Goron corpses
I was expecting him to theorize that twinrova was the sage of spirits before neburu was, would explain why they weren’t at the forest temple and how ganondorf knew about each temple’s location
I believe twinrove were originally the spirit sage who betrayed the others while rauru wasnt around as they were gathered in the forest temple discussing her adopting ganondorf
Love all the collabs. Fun to see all the channels I follow working together to make cool content
Perhaps the reason the Gorons didn't eat the rock blocking Dodongo's cavern is that the Gorons wanted to keep the dodongo infestation trapped INSIDE???
I made it early this time!! My favorite is probably the Shadow temple due to the music, aesthetics, and mystery/lore. Yes, it’s straightforward in terms of difficulty, but that’s not the ~point~, you know? It’s meant to elicit fear and dread, show you the dark underbelly of hyrule. Thus, the developers really understood the assignment.
I love that the Gorons are gourmands. They only eat the best rocks.
The forest temple was my favorite as a kid because of the music, plus as the first adult dungeon I always struggled with it until I got better so it was so satisfying to finally be able to get through it by myself
The fact that Vaati may appear in OoT is always fun to think about.
The way I understood the whole cavern mess was that the gorons we're being eaten by the dodongos and they sealed up the cave, not Ganon.
Maybe I misread the duologue, but thats what I thought growing up
Hope you see this bro, love the videos you put out and the insight you give us. Keep doing your thing man
I don't know why and I may be 100% off here, but I always assumed it was implied that the Spirit Goddess was Twinrova herself, hence why it's so shocking to Link when they merge up into their united form and Link is like oh holy crap now this whole place makes sense. I mean they were 500 years old, so they could have built their own temple long long ago in anticipation of the day of Ganondorf's arrival or some such jazz...
I think you're right. That would make it make more sense why they are the mother(s) of Ganondorf. The prophecy of a Gerudo male being born every 100 years would then be answered by their goddess. Now I wonder, are all the Gerudo males their son?
My headcanon for Dodongo's cavern was that Goron's knew they could eat their way inside but were aware of the resurrected ancient creatures inside, so they allowed the rock seal to remain in place to keep them sealed in rather than have to fight the ancient creatures themselves.
That ignores the fact of Gorons trying to destroy the boulder blocking the entrance, rolling down the mountain with bomb flowers but failing to reach said entrance.
The reason that the Gorons didn't eat the rocks blocking the cavern was simple... Stomach ache. XD They were gourmets lol. They only could stomach the rocks in the cavern lol. This is even mentioned in the game. (Not the stomach ache part, but the gourmet part)
Well if the Poe sisters were the ancient sages of forest, fire, water, and shadow, and the ancient sage of spirit was a gerudo, I think the best explanation for why the sage of spirit wasn’t with them was that they had a more important obligation. I suggest that they were a previous gerudo king, since only one male is born per century and they always lead the gerudo people there must have been gerudo kings before ganondorf who weren’t necessarily evil.
The four Poe sisters, imo, were four priestesses who each held a sacred colored flame, which when applied to the sacred barriers in the main hall of the Forest Temple, acted as a key which opened the way to the Forest Sages chamber, which they could use to enter the Chamber of Sages.
I also think the reason the Forest Temple was such a big, imposing, stone structure was because anything built in a forest will be overtaken by it in time, so it needed to be virtually impenetrable in order to protect the entrance to the Chamber of Sages. And it's designed in a Greco-Roman style because those countries are very mountainous and, outside of Asia, very ancient (?) I noticed this with the Viridian City's Earth Gym in the Pokemon anime too, it had a sort of Greco-Roman feel to it, and its guards looked like spartan warriors.
I like the poe sister's theory its interesting i do wonder if the pow who guides you across the desert is missing spirit sage
"a zelda game without dungeons", literally breath of the wild :(
yes, it's a bad game. i don't understand why people liked it, it was just a nothing game
It has dungeons, they're just very short. There's also one specific shrine that is very dungeon-like, starting as a Test of Strength before the floor opens and lets you explore several rooms with puzzles and keys before ending with a room full of Guardians.
@@themodfather9382 The story, the characters, the sense of exploration. I agree that it's not the revolutionary masterpiece that Nintendo seems to believe it is, but it's not terrible.
Links crossbow training... even soul caliber 2 has dungeons lol
@@OtakuUnitedStudio the should have made oot 2
To the “why don’t The gorons eat The entrance blocking rock” question my guess is that that rock is not an edible rock for them just like not all plants are edible plants to us. Just as we cannot eat poison ivy or turf grass they probably can’t eat that very specific kind of rock
These videos are a great way to relive the nostalgia 😊
Personal head canon I came up with just now is that the Poe sisters were of a rival royal family, who the Hyrulian royal family defeated, with the sisters being casualties. They then took over their castle, and plopped on a Triforce in the top room. Over time the Poe sisters began haunting the place more and more, and it was abandoned... In fact the whole area around the castle was haunted and then abandoned.
Yada yada, then years later people came here and worshipped stuff and made it a secluded temple
I like this theory the best
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My theory about the rock wall is that maybe it’s not the type of rock that the Gorons eat, maybe the Gorons had to eat a pacific type of rock or maybe that rock might be cursed by Ganondorf, since he was the one who put it there.
Like rocks from the Pacific Ocean?
That forest temple theory is one of the best I’ve seen
I think the Poe Sisters are more likely priestesses who followed the Forest Sage if anything. With Meg being the head priestess. I don't think the old sages would become evil spirits. I've always thought they just reincarnated into their current selves. Whether they stayed the same race or not is unknown. The ancient Goron Hero could've also been the ancient Fire Sage. Though having combined symbols and dungeon mechanisms would make sense that each of the ancient sages helped build the temples of the other sages. Which would be why similar puzzles and trap are found in multiple temples.
Lol this has gotta be the most amazing collaboration video intro ever. You guys have great banter.
Been bitching for days bout having fatigue from all the same stuff from YT lately and BOOM you drop this gem. Lov3d this game
i have been following theories an lore on TLOZ for most of my adult life and let me tell you, your forest temple theoriy with the 4 sages is...very freaking sweet, it all connects so well.
kudos and keep them coming.
I would definitely watch a video like this on the Majora's Mask dungeons
I love the smell of collab videos in the morning. Smells like Zelda lore!
Bro the skits at the start are straight of of OG UA-cam collabs from back in the day and I don't know if I hate them or not lmao
Someone may have perhaps said this already, but I wonder if the four Poe Sisters in the Forest Temple really are the ghosts of past Sages, maybe the Phantom Guide in the Haunted Wasteland, who you meet on the way to the Desert Colossus in Ocarina of Time, was the missing fifth Sage, the former Sage of Spirit..?
Lately you have been carrying my youtube experience your vids are top notch
Hold on, I'm only 2 and a half minutes into this, but Ganon didn't put the rock in front of the mine, Darunia put the rock there! Ganon used magic to bring back the Dodongos in the cavern. They are so dangerous to the Gorons that he blocked off the mine to keep the Gorons safe.
I hope you experts see this.
I've always been interested in the ruins of BotW. Many of them are still unexplained. I wonder, has anyone tried to compare the ruins with the INTERIOR layouts of the dungeons from earlier Zelda games?
Holy fuck I never knew that reflection thing in Water Temple that is so cool
I always thought the rock blocking dodongos cavern is similar to grass/lettuce sort of thing. Lettuce is eaten but grass isn’t .
You both turned out to be the GOATs of Zelda Lore
The forest temple being the temple of the forest sage makes sense. The four poe sisters being previous sages is a reach my joints can't handle.
Dodongo cave would make more sense if Ganondorf simply revived King Dodongo in the cave and the Gorons blocked the entrance to the cave to prevent its escape
Love the collaboration 2. That's how I found your channel. So plus on that. My honest input
13:37 Considering what you said about the Poe Sisters in the Forest Temple, it’s likely the Poe here in the Haunted Wastes is the previous Spirit Sage. Without further research, it’s hard to say how true that might be. However it would fit nicely into the mix as the Sage to Poe pattern established in the Forest Temple.
2:24 same reason we put effort and time into buying potatoes and chicken instead of eating lawn grass and squirrel. Just because something is edible don't mean it's food.
Love both of your videos guys, and your interactions
keep the great works
I seem to remember that Ganondorf didn’t put the Boulder there, Darunia did in response to the dodongos. Especially with how easily Link gets in there after getting the strength of a goron
In the German version, (maybe English too, idk) one of the Gorons says that they're picky eaters who can hardly eat anything else than the delicious Rocks from Dodongos Cavern, wich is most likely why they can't eat the boulder thats blocking the entrance.
They do say that in English, too! While it comes across as a little silly, I appreciate that they do try to explain it. And it fits the (somewhat) lighter tone of Young Link's adventures.
I always believe that the reason behind of "why the gorons never try to enter dodongo's goron?" Was just that Darunia gave the order to not doing it... You know, they fear what would ganondorf could have done there... Or at least that's what I believed all this time, it's part or been a leader... Decide tough things trying the best for their people...
Every time I play the Forest Temple, I remember that somebody at Nintendo was a Louisa May Alcott fan. RIP to the Little Women - I mean the Poe Sisters. 😅
Forest temple theme is in my top 5 dungeon themes of all zelda games.
Ummmm… do I wanna know about the back rash?!… anywhoooo nice video hahaha
The Godess of the sand is Din. The Gigaleak revealed it via the games script. Yeah it's beta, but if we're going down "which Goddess is it" Din would make the most sense as she actually existed at the time and she has a connection with Ganondorf via the Triforce of Power.
Whether it is Din, or Hylia, or whoever, I find it just so strange the way that Navi describes that Goddess's face as "looking evil".
I know it's meant as a puzzle hint (shine light at the statue's face), but it's just strange to me. Nothing about the Goddess or her statue seems "evil", it's like people (in-universe) just decided it was evil because the Gerudo were worshipping it.
It does have a snake and given din's connection to ganaondwarf. It is possible that din has more malevolent intentions when worshipped on her own. We never really see what worshipping the three separately looks like, so maybe din is more monstrous when worshipped on her own. Plus, that giant statue is creepy.
The part about the Gerudo emblem on the blocks isn't a very solid theory, since the same asset is used in all the stone blocks in every OoT dungeon.
Additionally, the same pattern appears in Majora's Mask, where every stone block that appears has the Majora's Mask sillhouette engraved on them.
This feels more like asset-economy rather than a conspicuous lore drop.
crazy how the blue shining in the twinrova boss room looks like a sheikah shrine.
Merry Christmas Bandit!
I was in school when OoT came out. The entire Great Deku tree having a dungeon for insides made me think of Link as a chipmunk. A friend drew me an awesome picture of Link as a chipmunk that hung on my wall for a couple decades.
If I had to make a wile guess, Gorons probably need a specific or several specific minerals and that's why they can't just eat any random rock or need to eat specific rocks like volcanic ones that are rich in whatever they need.
really like this interchanged collab thing!
The Gorons can't eat that big boulder because it's inedible. Also, Darunia was trying to think of a plan to fight off the Dodogos without sacrificing his people
Buddies simple explanation
We humans don't go around eatting grass and trees.
That's why we have farms
And that said Goron's have mines
Amazing video, I love deep explanations also here before most people!
Well this was the first time I heard that the Poe sister might be sages… so it stands to reason if that was the case, the sage of spirit might be the Poe in the haunted wasteland?
Bandit and MM is such an iconic duo
I would love to know more about the Ooccoo, because I feel like they might have something to do with tears
The Poe sisters doesnt make sense if you subscribe to the idea that the sages are dead, ya know like Darunia getting defeated by Volvagia so its his spirit that rises as a sage.
Now if Ganon destroys their spirit they become…. poes…? Seems farfetched.
I think it makes much more sense that they are corrupted priestesses, many temples were previously used for worship.
Link: "bubba"
Darunia: "We're starving. We need rocks to eat but Dodongo's cavern is blocked by a boulder."
Link: "Why don't you eat the boulder?"
Darunia: "OHHHHHHH!!" num num num yum num
Awesome video bro!
would be nice that the hypothetical remake include an expanded lore that confirm o discredit all of these theories
“why didn’t they eat the rock blocking the cavern?”
darunia mentions them being ‘such gourmets’ that they can’t eat normal rocks anymore, they’ve evolved their taste to only like rocks from inside the cavern.
Considering the ease of removing the boulder closing Dodongo Cavern, I assume the gorons put it there to keep the dodongos inside. They call them an a ancient menace so it's unlikely they're well versed in fighting them.
And I assume the beamos were put there by Ganondorf as an additional obstacle, but I'm only guessing that because they're the first thing you see in Ganon's Castle later on and that they're tan which makes me think they're gerudo-made.
I think gorons swallow rocks whole or atleast cut them into small pieces before eating. The boulder was too large for them to eat or break... Still i don't get why they couldn't just explode it like we did maybe they're just dumb
I love when El Bandito and Monster Maze do videos together!