Things you should know about ABS
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- Опубліковано 31 січ 2018
- In this video, we'll take a look at how to best 3D print and tune ABS - and what ABS even is! There isn't just one type of ABS or ABS-like material, after all.
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Paint it, glue it, drill it, mill it, tap it, weld it, or just smooth it.
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Ronald van Heugten that's exactly what i was thinking
I was wondering how long he practiced that for the video.
Ronald van Heugten you mean technologic
That line really earned him the thumbs-up and the sub. I laughed so hard. xD
It is so good to see, that there are people around, that don't just do reviews of the latest gearbest offer, but invest lots of time to compile lots of valuable information and put these in one video. I think this was one oft the best youtube videos on 3D printing I ever saw. So sad I can't give several thumbs up.
First off, I love the videos. Second I mostly print abs, I actually find it easier than pla. I have an Anet A8, and my settings are as follows, nozzle temp 240c bed 80c and a coating of abs juice on the aluminum bed and no enclosure. 0.3mm first layer height .1-.2 mm for the rest of the print . 15-50% infill. This works great for me and I hope someone found it useful.
Same here it is awesome, do those settings work well for overhangs? I have a new lot of abs from a different supplier and no matter what I am getting bad print artifacts at maybe 45°
@@neeooww i print alot of ABS, the 2 i usually print including one branded lonenessl available on amazon handles overhangs great, i purchased a no brand "premium" roll and it wont do an overhang no matter what i do so it could be the filament is your problem
no enclosure? I think you the first That I heard saying that.
"ABS juice" Learn something every day. Thank you Matter Hackers and especially @Ryan for bringing it up to begin with.
@@ripmax333 ABS is toxic, right?
You are by far the best source of information on 3D printing online. I cannot thank you enough for these incredibly well done and informative videos
This series is absolutely excellent, Thomas, thank you for this. These will really cut down the guess work for a ton of people. Also, I have to say that your picky sponsorship policy of only allowing quality products to sponsor you on your videos, along with your blunt and honest reviews/livestreams are two of the reasons I keep coming back. Keep up the good work!
Excellent tips!
I ramped up the temp to 250 and while the print quality didn't change the first layer is much improved!
I have ZERO interest in printing ABS but your videos are still worth watching. I learned about the min layer time today that solved many of my nylon issues. Thank you!
Hey Tom! Great to see that you are still around! :) I watched your old vids back when you always where looking a little besides the camera onto your telepronter :) The quality of your content is amazing (it s always been great content, but now the production quality is just top notch). So much info, packed into very little time and still not flooding my mind. Thanks for staying on youtube and doing your thing.
This is the most knowledgeable & resourceful 3D printing channel on youtube. Trust me I'm subb'd to many & most of them don't even know 1/2 their stuff like Thomas does.
These filament 101 videos are a great idea! Thank you Thomas, you rule!
I like how you are starting off the new year! Looking forward to seeing what's next!
Thanks Thom.
I was having a nightmare trying to print off some stands for my heated bed. It kept coming out like hair. I watch it for 2 hours as my heating came on every 30 minutes and I could see the print degrading every time it switched off.
I put the printer in an enclosure this morning and it's printing like a dream right now. I also fixed the filament rate after watching your video on that too :)
So, you've helped my solve 3 problems in one day...
My environmental temps, my flow rate and what the hell I was going to do with that massive server enclosure I was stuck with since the server went past it's sell-by date. :D
Love the new filament videos Tom. Keep it up.
wow your Video series is so high quality and informative. Great Stuff, excited for more!
Glad you did this one! I remember a while ago you were a bit critical of ABS, and it was actually interesting to hear you talk about the large variation in the plastic. I've experienced this. The varying types can result in massive differences in print quality, AND mechanical properties. And the same seems to be true of ASA. Wish there was a more clear and concise way of grading the material for 3D printing.
Great video! Never stop learning by you!
Fantastic channel! I have learnt so much in just a couple of days.
Wow Tom, I've not watched your vids for a month or two but I love the production quality and the new set!!
Excellent information, very helpful, professional and well done, thanks !
Great video! Concise and informative, and lots of great tips. One note: there are many UV-Clear spray paints available which provide a fair amount of protection from the sun, and also provide a nice finish to ABS parts. You make an excellent point about black filament, and those often provide great long-term protection (hence the large number of black ABS automotive components used).
I'm really looking forward to your upcoming video on PET/PETG based filaments. These have become very popular filaments, but many struggle to get the most out of them.
Thank you Thomas! Great video!
Good technique, very informative!
Very informative and helpful. Thanks!
Very very complete and interesting : thanks !!
the "technologic" reference brought a big smile to my face, big thumbs up :)
As always, very useful. Thanks.
I was in the middle if sparking a cigarette as he said "then again, people still choose to smoke". Time to stop.
How's that going a year later?
@@tophatvideosinc.5858 well. I'm no quitter so I put it down again. Been 1yr free of cigarettes. Chew on the other hand is so damn good.
@@sikolikhole that's great. And thank you to Thomas for being the catalyst to stop that.
I'm in the middle of smoking a cigarette... Not planning on stopping any time soon.. lol😂
Brilliant information. So fast it almost needs watching twice!
I think this one beats the PLA one for me, as I think perhaps you took people's familiarity with PLA for granted a little.
Such good videos Tom. Tight, concise and so much good stuff. The best nugget for me there is extending minimum layer time to overcome melting in small features.
I really do like that grading. Thought often about that but never actually wrote it down.
proper job! keep it up! thanks for good and meaningful review!
Great video. Thomas, Thank you.
Thanks Tom for all yourevideos! Learned so much from them all :)
Awesome daft punk injection there. Very smooth!
I just got into 3D printing a few weeks ago assembling an Anet A8 and really enjoying it thus far. So much so I'm neglecting my gaming (have not played ESO once since I got started printing). Anyway, thanks for the ABS info, especially since I started to build an enclosure for the A8 in preparation to expand to using ABS in the future. Look forward to any future vid on PETG...I use PETG tubing when water cooling my PCs and it would be fun to incorporate PETG printed parts into that...
Thanks Tom for another informative video. I a small amount of ABS printing but mostly do PETG wish works fine for some of the projects I do. It would be nice if you could a do video on top one or two filaments for Airbrushing models etc.
Diese aktuelle Serie ist sehr interessant. Ich freue mich auf weitere Folgen!
I usually put a thin layer of thinly mixed ABS slurry (ABS dissolved in Acetone) on my (glass) print bed, and let that dry before warming up the printer. That worked the best for me for keeping the parts stuck down.
Excellent VIDEO!!!
Thanks again Tom
I'm really enjoying the series Tom, keep up the great content!
Great video. I use mostly ABS because it can bond to itself using acetone. That bond is typically stronger than the layer adhesion. Can also mix up a slurry to patch small gaps/defects in your prints. 😊
This is especially useful for making bigger things out of smaller parts. I do wish there was something else out there with equal or better strength/flexibility and acetone bonding/filling while being less of a pain to print than ABS.
It's a very useful bit of knowledge, I often fix my kids toys which are made from abs with this slurry it's basically welding ABS plastic with ABS.
Not a lot of people know about it but so many things can be permanently fixed with this method you can even just paint on with a brush to make thicker parts
Thanks for the great video. Will there be one with a bit more details on ASA?
Love this series of videos! What kind of filament would you use if the part had to hold or be submerged in water indefinitely?
I'm currently doing most of my prints in ABS for drines.... On an open air printer, no enclosure, ptfe lined extruder, using a PrintinZ print surface. Bed heated to 105c. Having very good results! I much prefer the ABS for functional / durable parts. I'm going to try and create some sort of enclosure though.
Love the "Technologic" homage!
"Then again, people still choose to smoke" Best statement ever!! HAHAHAH! 😂😂😂
Lol right!!
Prant
I'm definitely looking forward to the PETG episode, since I think I'm ready to "graduate" from PLA to PETG.
Very informative! especially the daft punk bit :)
I like your studio setup.
Hi Thomas, your videos are really great and helps me print my ideas everyday. I usually print using PLA filament on my sunhokey prusa i3 acrylic frame 3d printer. Recently I purchased conductive ABS filament which requires proper chamber and everything so it doesn't warp. Since my printer structure is pure acrylic and its melting temperature is 135Degrees, I cannot use chamber to print my abs prints. I was wondering if i purchase a hot air hair styler and direct the hot air towards the bed from some distance to keep the air warm just near the bed area; will it help? My printer will be not in chamber and it may prevent some acrylic melting. Have you come across anyone who has tried this out? Thank you for your time.
Great Video!
I have never used ABS because it still seems to be more trouble than it's worth, but I have found the perfect bed adhesion for PLA on my CR-10S I was thinking of making a short video on it but I haven't got round to it yet.
Awesome Darf Punk reference ! Great video
I love Darf Punk
27 minutes too late :D
Even so I thought the same
@@danielconway7190 same, darf punk is the bom
Great video
Very helpful thx
Great video!
Can''t wait for the next one. I'm feeling some PETG ;)
7:12 this needs to be remixed in the style of daft punk ^.^ keep up the good work bud
I avoided BAS for a long time, but when i tried it... damn i love it. Maybe i got lucky, but i've got great experience with it. Super glossy after print (i'm printing about +5C above recommended), great layer adhesion, only con for me - too much time to preheat the bed) hair fixation spray does a great job) I'm using E3D V6 clone with PTFE tube down to the nozzle, but it feels great. With hair spray im preheating the bed to only 90C. Sometimes it sticks even too much.
I would like to see a review/comparison of the hobbyking budget filaments. For around 15 quid the abs/ pla and polycarbonate all printed like a champ.
I have my printer in a chamber but always run 60mm, 230-245c and the part fan at a fixed 35%.
This helps. My temps were too cold so it would pop off.
Could someone PLEASE remix that Daft Punk reference into an actual song?
Maybe better if we can get Tom to print eSun ABS white.... challenge accepted?
Glad I'm not the only one who heard that, there is the daft punk keyboard, I wonder if we could get a Tom's specific version made ? :P
That some nice meme material
Totally needs to happen - I'm amazed Tom didn't just mix it right into the video :)
I always wonder if there was actually a meme page dedicated for 3d printing
If You do make an PETG episode, could you add a section how to glue it. I mean, wich glue types work and wich do not. Thanks in advance.
Nice jumper dude - greetings from straya
I have started out with PLA. I learned all about its setup. I loved the way it worked and was able to print many times with out any issues.
So by an error in search trying to get PLA on Amazon it sent me ABS. I expect it would be nice to test out the other so I tested printing.
I have had nothing but issues with ABS. From failed prints. To flat out prints that just fail half way with no issues with the temp. Yet every once and a while I get a print.
Now there is no reason why a 13 hour print failed 5 times then the 6th one is successful. In fact I have tested PLA in many prints and have had massive successful prints. Yet when ABS I have had nothing but problems. I know we got some die hard ABS fans. Yet I have done the proper tests. Evaluated the temp issues. My filament is new and its PLA was rather perfect. I have to say ABS temp issue seems to be the bonding issue. Now I have tested this many times. Then I switched to PLA to see if I had any issues. That is when oddly 5 prints printed perfectly. Yet I go through 10 failed prints to 1 successful print.
Now I have zero Idea why people like this Item. I printed another product that I use in the house. The PLA has no issue. Yet ABS has strength problem. I did some checking and found that ABS seems to have a bonding issue as it breaks instead of bends. PLA tends to bend to prevent breaking. I must say not a fan of ABS.
To be honest, i bought a CTC Printer from ebay (second hand) and i've got a little bit of PLA and tried printing it at about 210°C and my hotend leaked PLA a little bit and i had a few drops in the first model, after that i didn't have anymore PLA, but the seller gave one more fillament roll, which turned out to be ABS, because at 210 °C it barely got fluid, so i set the bed to 100°C and the hotend to 250°C and it prints very well. i only get warping, when printing stuff bigger than 5x5 cm. Its my first printer and i have it since 1 week, but so far ABS seems to be easier for me (at small models).
Great video. Is PETG next?
Wouldn't use ABS for large parts/sculptures, but for small items, it works great! Acetone etching is also like magic.
I use ABS for all my fan/extruder/bed parts where they are going to be right next to the nozzle and block.
Been successful printing a 8hr bust with a Kossel, but my little Qidi is my go-to for ABS stuff where it's enclosed, wouldn't attempt it in a Y movement bed without enclosure.
235C-240C hotend, 90-100C bed, 40-50mm/s with a brim.
7:12 call him rap god
question what sort of filament would you recomend for high heat resistance (say in a car on a hot 30+c summer day (inside temps up to maybe even beyond 80c) that could be printed to a non heated bed (i know i know a heated be is favorable but i'm just starting and want to make bits for the interior of my car. like mounts etc for things like usb ports into trim pannels.
Hello! thnaks for all good tips. I have a problem with ABS printing then a dry my filament and print into an enclosure but the problem still on my next print... Is there a way to send you images of my print for you tell me what you think?
I build my own heated enclosure that would get up to 45c about half way up the 1m delta & 40c is not enough for abs. I would say 50 to 60 would probably be better for large prints. Also sugar water works great for an abs bed. when it cools down the prints usually pop off.
Fun fact: I learned of ABS as the material LEGO is made of before knowing about out plastics or materials in general. It's knowledge that was strangely seared into my mind at age 7.
when you do PET, PETG etc video can you also include post processing (food grade) thanks (it is for one of my future projects
In theory all 3d printer plastics can be "food grade" though honestly it's hard to say for sure since they add additives without telling you, problem is the crevices etc especially between layers where undesired material like dirt and grime can build up and make a nice habitat for germs, solution is simple really, coat it in something that smooths it out, thick layer of primer and paint, or some kind of lacquer etc. As long as that material is food safe and you get enough coverage in the cracks and corners to fill them you should be solid.
hit it on the head what I'm looking for are "finishing" products that are food safe and dishwasher safe (high temp)
Oh, sorry not a clue haven't looked into that, good question though... The dishwasher bit is pretty tricky I imagine? most normal lacquers and paints should do for food safe you can wipe/wash carefully manually though.
So this is what I use for my food grade items i print. I also keep a printer for just food safe items.
taulman3d.com/680-features.html
Look at products from master bond for dishwasher safe. For hand wash, use Shellac.
Hey Tom, I've got extruder problems.
I'm using 1.75mm filament bowden with the standard extruders you can find off Aliexpress (with 100 steps/mm) and an E3D v6 with genuine block, but I'm getting step loss.
I maxed the power on my stepper drivers, added heatsinks to the motor, tried to change the MK7 hobbed bolt to a MK8 for added torque, but that just chews the filament.
My nozzle isn't clogged (filament is going straight trough).
I'm considering buying a Titan, but would that help ? I think my problem is with the bowden tube.
TMC2130's are awesome, I would love that RAMPS + TMC + SPI + LCD + SDCARD video. My "Dolly" misses her Display :P
It would have been good to discuss filtering methods for abs no one seems to do much of that. It may not be covered under abs basics but I think it is a subject that needs to be covered and there is not enough information out there about it
Hi Thomas, I live in a tropical location where the humidity is always 80-90%. I'm new to 3D printing and still trying to decide which is machine is best and or even if it will be possible to achieve good quality prints because of the humidity. Ideally I'm wanting to print ABS, PLA, TPE and eLastic. Printers I'm looking at are either the Prusa MK3 or Creality CR-10S. Any input regarding machines and or humidity from you would be greatly appreciated.
The best way to keep ABS from warping I've found is to apply ABS slurry on a PEI bed. I was able to make 20x20 cm prints without significant warping (although removing it from the bed afterwards is quite a challenge). The ABS will also be under stress after printing, so baking the part while it's held in place can be beneficial.
How good is the rough glass bed of a Sidewinder X1 for ABS?
Could you please take a look at the dddrop leader twin 3d printer?
I wanted to print some parts intended to work functionally in engine bay of a car. Those might be different components of intake, brackets mounted to engine or body holding wires, hoses or considerably light components like coolant tank or catch can. Is ABS good enough to work in this environment? I believe temps in engine bay can easily be over 80 degrees C, although I don't intend to use printed parts in hottest places obviously. Can you recommend any specific filament for this? Right now I printed some of the parts in PLA for mock-up and testing fitment, but planned to print final parts in ABS (can't remember specific brand or type, just got something together with my first printer)
Very interesting in deed. :) I like PLA best.
Apparently it's "byoo-tah-dye-een." Quite a mouthful!
Thinkyhead Software that’s why we say ABS!
more accurately Byoot-a-die-ene (or dye-een sounds same)
Have to try to print ABS in our 35 to 40°C afternoons maybe will have not too bad results ;)
What about tap holes?? I ordered some abs parts which have M5 tap holes, unfortunately the taps are not strong enough, the threads stripped off after a few turns of the M5 bolt. I am now thinking of using a hex bolt shaped recess that will hold a M5 bolt in place
Is there a quality all in one printer brand purchase to start printing with ABS or do I have to part out everything for the best quality of prints?
Which filament is better making medical orthosis ?thanks
Used to be all about ABS. I discovered PLA+. There is a special ABS from 3D printLife that I'm saving for a future project.
a am using a hotend with a semi ptfe insert and it sems to do a decent job
thanks
I've been lurking in this channel for long, and I finally found the opportunity to comment on something.
I don't know if it was intentional or unintentional reference, but your listing of actions that could be performed on the ABS plastics immediately reminded me about "Daft Punk - Technologic" :D
With the opportunity I would also like to thank you for the amazing content you put out to the world to see and learn from!
I bought a cheap micrometer and measured my first layer thickness (measured the brim). My printer apparently expected 0.2 mm thick "paper" when leveling the bed. Now my 0.2 mm first layer is actually 0.2 mm. I then adjusted the first layer temperature to get the desired bed adhesion. For my Monoprice Maker Ultimate with stock surface, that is 255C with bed at 100C. Hotter and I almost have to chisel the part off. Cooler and it pops off too easily.
Im thinking of geting into printing other filaments thwn pla. Is fiberlogy a good brand?
Good video. I'm using ABS on my 3d Action Figures.
What brand do you recommend for printing with PLA?
I need a part for permanent underwater placement. What type of filament should I use???
I keep saying Formfutura Titan-X / 3dfilaprint ABS-X is well worth a try. It doesn't warp at all and is very strong. Im on my third batch now.
I can totally confirm that. I printed around 3 kg of Titan-X without a single failed print.
Really love how you explain really well this stuff! Hope for a video on PETG soon :)
I second the request for petg
I have the printer in my room, so abs is out of the question, so i really am curious about petg and would love a video a bout it in this style !
PETGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!! They say a it easy to print like abs, but it really isn't for me :(
Pet!!! i hear good thing about it, but i am scared to try it
Hello Thomas! Do you know where i can get a STL file for this bicycle phone holder that you show on 0:18? I couldn't find it anywhere. Thank you!