Love videos like these. When you talk about Howie & his counters & what he counters, I'd love to see a video delving into that for every hero. It would help a lot of people learning the game understand picking and counterpicking more
Hard to do counterpicking because certain picks aren’t just 1v1 matchups usually you have to take into account other things like how Gideon is good into how but if they have ways to cancel gid ult it could wave the pick off even if it’s good in the 1v1
My thing with kalari is i feel like she has a good early to mid but late when everyone is 18 i feel she struggles in team fights in the fact that she can get blown up and she is single target. I also feel like she struggles in 1v1s vs tankier characters like a rampage or sev. Killing tanks overall is a bit rough i feel for her. I do see her power in her ability to 2 hit squishies but late game in the fights i seems very hard to apply that and even get to the squishies
I appreciate you calling out Kwang's strength. I feel like it isn't an opinion I hear often but have held for a while that he is pretty oppressive in the solo lane with no bad match ups.
Morigesh mark and ult is so much fun. I loved it in paragon and i love it here. The only thing i miss is my card deck from paragon, had a card that would make me go invisible after getting a kill.. i used to fake out people so bad after marking someone and ulting them while they were fighting in a different area against a teammate and using the invis to gank someone else, go invis again.. god i loved it
As someone who is just finding the will to play this game after paragon shutting down i feel like khaimera is an S tier jungle pick. Insane ganks always leads to snowball if you play with the team. damage is great minion clear and fangtooth clear is great. if you fall behind its hard but that's everyone honestly.
I agree, I just got done my first day of playing this (so take with a grain of salt) but khaimera dominated every match he was picked in on either team
@josephmekhail7692 khaimera is solid but he’s very easy and new player friendly while also being very good against other new players when you get to the higher level of the game he actually has a lot of weaknesses which is where this tierlist is more geared towards
ty for that tierliist. I have one logic issue with it. You did put Severaog (22:30) into A-tier but u say he is an A+ jungler. That doesnt make any sense in my eyes, since characters should be rated at their best role. Just before u did put serath in A, saying she is not viable in jungle, but put her there because she is A in solo lane. With the Sevarog placement logic u could also put him in C, because he is an C-support or C-ADC. If he is an A+ jungler he belongs into A+
Grux as Jungler is pretty solid tho ngl. He's one of, if not the, fastest heros in the game so combining that with his suck ability, he's really hard to get away from without an escape and a blink. My friend mains Grux as jungler and always has 15+ kills a match.
Grux, Gadget, and Iggy are my 3.. 😢 lol iggy has been my favorite since paragon. But that was back with the card system and he was pretty good. Sad to see my boy laid so low.
I’m possible missing something but Kira seems extremely strong to me defeintly more so then twinblast. She’s like kallista from lol but with none of the weaknesses hit all your shots and proc dusk and it’s insane. Then I play twinblast and I feel like his old water pistol skin is legit cause I’m just tickling people
What's up with all the hate on morigesh 😂 she goes hard if you play hyper aggressive poke. Don't level the movement ability max your hive+mark and be annoying
I'm really looking for a hero that can shred through minions like they're not even there.... If all their minions die in a second, my minions will reach their towers ! Who can clear a group the fastest ? Please Thank you
Hey Xbox player here getting to know the game - I feel as though crunch is really strong, especially in offlane. If someone is willing to share who do you play into Crunch and how do you counter him?
I also think as a solo Q gadget is higher than you put her. Being able to zone entire teams without help from your team is vital. With soulbinder you’re almost ungankable.
Can you do an item tier list? I’m a newer player and struggling w/ what items to build 😅, still top performing as mid/carry just bc of the knowledge of the game but just struggling with items.
i have a build guide for each role with what to build on each hero that you could check out as for anything else related to items I am refraining due to the announcement of them changing to a 6 item system instead of a 5 item system this month
Iam wondering how they approach argus. i think just less dmg will not solve the situation. Cause Q+E and rightklick will always do to much dmg as a support i think
Now do you feel all heroes should be S tier or how would you go about balancing? Do you think it’s healthy for a game to have heroes in different tiers? All S tier?
there will always be heroes at the top and the bottom which isnt really an issue the biggest problem with balance is when heroes dont do get moved around alot so they stay at the bottom or at the top too long
@@SoulRe4p3r now I have a Timmy brain so bear with me, do you think it’ll get better as more hero’s get added? And last question do you think hero’s tier are more dependent on items or they’re actual kit? Or is it split 50/50?
Honestly the best Tier list out there right I only might argue Rampage being alittle lower. Maybe Muriel alittle higher? I feel like her shields would great against Belica
Dang, a shame to see Feng Mao so low on the list. I've been playing him a lot lately and loving his bald ass lol. Maybe it's because I'm not competitive or high ELO, but i love his mobility and damage.
Primechampionshipcircuit - largest tournament organizer forthecoretournament - largest eu tournament organizer predecessorprovingground - hosts console tournaments and weekly platinum tournaments mugiwawa - competitive support player, analysts reviews tournaments and competitive scrims of high level teams aswell as helps plays learn the game myself - competitive midlane crazzyfool - competitive support sickks - competitive jungler survivortv - competitive adc lakenator - competitive adc mercyyttv - competitive jungler gratty - competitive jungler also organizes 1v1 tournaments/broadcasts them laubergg - competitive solo laner those are all twitch accounts although the first one, mugiwawa, and gratty also be found on youtube under the same names
@SoulRe4p3r I just saw a video where they say he won't be coming I played Paragon and it was my all time favorite game that's not a rpg lol I got so excited because I heard about Predecessor is on console but when I found out there's bo card system and no Wu it sent me back into depression lol
I agree with most of this list, but I can tell this guy never really played Grux or Revenant. 💀 Grux is probably the strongest character right now, especially with his bleeding damage. And Rev is the strongest PvP character, when you play him right and you have a halfway decent support on your side.
I’ve played everything in the game extensively this is more competitive focused tierlist both of those heroes are not strong competitively or at a high level they are just Timmy destroyer heroes
I think dekker is S-. Set up is great and the cage can be defensive or offensive. I’m stuck in controller bc I’m handicapped so I can’t hit her ult for shit lol. Like 2/5
Then you never play against a good Howitzer. I main him since OG Paragon and I can say, I lost my lane only 1 time, when Argus came out, because I didn't know how to play against him. So I personally win every single time I play him.
@@Nik3600 1.) Combustion for early game pressure. (I fire many rockets to the other hero to make them teleport back and waste time) And I can clear the minions really fast already even in the early game. 2.) Timewarp for quicker spellcasting 3.) Megacosm for even more magical damage damage (You can switch Timewarp and Megacosm here. It's just how you like it or how you need it) 4.) Wraith leggings to finish off already wounded heroes (Switch this out for Caustica if half of the team has magical armor) 5.) Oblivion Crown for (You guessed it) even more magical damage. As a crest I take Soulbearer so I can save myself with a huge shield if things get tight. With this playstyle I can say in all honesty I almost never lose my lane. If we really lose the game it's more because my friends don't want to play anymore against a strong team. No matter what, my lane stands. 😂
Idk about the patch differences between pc and playstation, but when you say grux is B tier i have some hope he gets nerfed. I would say he and khaimera are the strongest atm on console. Even when they are 0-9 behind they fuck you in 1v1 ..
Painful to hear that Kwang is broken: he was the hero I was waiting for since Pred released, and was happy when I started doing well with him. It was all a lie.
Anyone looking to team up? I’m new to the game since it just came out on Xbox and these randoms are driving me nuts 😅 edit: Morgesh or whatever her name is musta got buffed since this video because I’ve been getting one shit by her every game ffs 😂
you can try looking for people to play with in the predecessor general discord I think they have lfg channels. morigesh is kind of a skill check shes decent against new players since she is easy to play but gets punished very hard by more experienced players
thank you i now have an opinion.
LMAO
Love videos like these. When you talk about Howie & his counters & what he counters, I'd love to see a video delving into that for every hero. It would help a lot of people learning the game understand picking and counterpicking more
Hard to do counterpicking because certain picks aren’t just 1v1 matchups usually you have to take into account other things like how Gideon is good into how but if they have ways to cancel gid ult it could wave the pick off even if it’s good in the 1v1
Love to hear more about counter picking in future videos.
Great vid soul, can’t wait for the build list jungle first tho 🥺
The only tier list that matters has finally arrived!
Your tip putting 3 points in fey rmb changed the game for me. I always would max e but have no clear or max rmb and have no dmg. 👍
You need to build Crunch with Mutilator and Void Shield. He becomes unstoppable
The people asked for a tier list, and the Goat provided
My thing with kalari is i feel like she has a good early to mid but late when everyone is 18 i feel she struggles in team fights in the fact that she can get blown up and she is single target. I also feel like she struggles in 1v1s vs tankier characters like a rampage or sev. Killing tanks overall is a bit rough i feel for her. I do see her power in her ability to 2 hit squishies but late game in the fights i seems very hard to apply that and even get to the squishies
I appreciate you calling out Kwang's strength. I feel like it isn't an opinion I hear often but have held for a while that he is pretty oppressive in the solo lane with no bad match ups.
Morigesh mark and ult is so much fun. I loved it in paragon and i love it here. The only thing i miss is my card deck from paragon, had a card that would make me go invisible after getting a kill.. i used to fake out people so bad after marking someone and ulting them while they were fighting in a different area against a teammate and using the invis to gank someone else, go invis again.. god i loved it
As someone who is just finding the will to play this game after paragon shutting down i feel like khaimera is an S tier jungle pick. Insane ganks always leads to snowball if you play with the team. damage is great minion clear and fangtooth clear is great. if you fall behind its hard but that's everyone honestly.
I agree, I just got done my first day of playing this (so take with a grain of salt) but khaimera dominated every match he was picked in on either team
@josephmekhail7692 khaimera is solid but he’s very easy and new player friendly while also being very good against other new players when you get to the higher level of the game he actually has a lot of weaknesses which is where this tierlist is more geared towards
Thank You for the tips I just started playing this game today 😅
i think khainera needs to be S and shinibi needs to be A+ but all heros are good if you play your role and know how to use them
Could you do a video over counter picks? I'm trying to work on my counter pick game.
ty for that tierliist. I have one logic issue with it. You did put Severaog (22:30) into A-tier but u say he is an A+ jungler. That doesnt make any sense in my eyes, since characters should be rated at their best role. Just before u did put serath in A, saying she is not viable in jungle, but put her there because she is A in solo lane. With the Sevarog placement logic u could also put him in C, because he is an C-support or C-ADC. If he is an A+ jungler he belongs into A+
He is a because while he is ok in jungle you have a significantly weaker earlier game after the jungle changes I’m pretty sure I mention that
Grux as Jungler is pretty solid tho ngl. He's one of, if not the, fastest heros in the game so combining that with his suck ability, he's really hard to get away from without an escape and a blink. My friend mains Grux as jungler and always has 15+ kills a match.
Build guides would be sick homie. Bring it!!!
Grux, Gadget, and Iggy are my 3.. 😢 lol iggy has been my favorite since paragon. But that was back with the card system and he was pretty good. Sad to see my boy laid so low.
I’m possible missing something but Kira seems extremely strong to me defeintly more so then twinblast. She’s like kallista from lol but with none of the weaknesses hit all your shots and proc dusk and it’s insane. Then I play twinblast and I feel like his old water pistol skin is legit cause I’m just tickling people
Could be a build issue try building full physical power instead of auto attack based and play more similar to a midlane mage with twinblast
Sicks is a good kallari, but the best is sneaks and professor Loki
that's just not true
@@SoulRe4p3r well I don’t think sneaks or professor Loki play that much or as much anymore but they use to be for sure
Grux is a tier minimum. Best sololane hero with his push potential.
Your push potential is just dank potential for the enemy jungle.
@@kalebblankenship1401midlaner not letting oh boy get there w more than 50% xp
What's up with all the hate on morigesh 😂 she goes hard if you play hyper aggressive poke. Don't level the movement ability max your hive+mark and be annoying
I'm really looking for a hero that can shred through minions like they're not even there....
If all their minions die in a second, my minions will reach their towers !
Who can clear a group the fastest ? Please
Thank you
Hey Xbox player here getting to know the game - I feel as though crunch is really strong, especially in offlane. If someone is willing to share who do you play into Crunch and how do you counter him?
Dammit no stomping timmys today, oh look empti is uploading again.... Jk good vid we need more competetive mindset vids if we wanna see it grow lol
I also think as a solo Q gadget is higher than you put her. Being able to zone entire teams without help from your team is vital. With soulbinder you’re almost ungankable.
Great now I know I’m gonna be a hardcore Rev main
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Can you do an item tier list? I’m a newer player and struggling w/ what items to build 😅, still top performing as mid/carry just bc of the knowledge of the game but just struggling with items.
i have a build guide for each role with what to build on each hero that you could check out as for anything else related to items I am refraining due to the announcement of them changing to a 6 item system instead of a 5 item system this month
@@SoulRe4p3r okay thanks!
Iam wondering how they approach argus. i think just less dmg will not solve the situation. Cause Q+E and rightklick will always do to much dmg as a support i think
when your talking about the bans, is it like restricted to some tournaments, or do we have it in game, and im just too lazy to find it?
Tournaments will most likely be in ranked aswell when they add that aswell
@@SoulRe4p3rthey need to add unranked.
As a serath main jungler she is a beast she can be dealt with but she can snowball a game quick
Now do you feel all heroes should be S tier or how would you go about balancing? Do you think it’s healthy for a game to have heroes in different tiers? All S tier?
there will always be heroes at the top and the bottom which isnt really an issue the biggest problem with balance is when heroes dont do get moved around alot so they stay at the bottom or at the top too long
@@SoulRe4p3r now I have a Timmy brain so bear with me, do you think it’ll get better as more hero’s get added? And last question do you think hero’s tier are more dependent on items or they’re actual kit? Or is it split 50/50?
Tried playing rev recently too, I really tried to give him a shot but he is outclassed all the way, 1000% garbage city can never touching again
Honestly the best Tier list out there right I only might argue Rampage being alittle lower. Maybe Muriel alittle higher? I feel like her shields would great against Belica
How does anyone even get games? Someone just doesn’t pick in every pre lobby. So it goes back to search
They need to either in revenant atk spd and reload time or something cause he's just slow
Agreed rampage is overhyped. I feel weaker playing him. Probably cause I’m a timmy but just in general my ult is not as safe as it feels.
Dang, a shame to see Feng Mao so low on the list. I've been playing him a lot lately and loving his bald ass lol. Maybe it's because I'm not competitive or high ELO, but i love his mobility and damage.
Yes all the guides!!!
the chef's tier list
Grux is S tier, i dont even want to give away why this is so.😂
Fang Mao is S tier when games go longer than 35 mins
If only that was 100% guaranteed he is broken at 5 items when he makes it there very similar to sparrow
Could we get a video based on cards and rankings?
Mentioning nugzlit on kallari. You a homie soul ❤
who tf is that guy
@@SoulRe4p3r ahhh just some fuck head who abuses broken heroes ! No real skill.
Still viable? Just startet. Did shred with gideon and muriel though😂
It’s largely accurate there have been a few changes in the last patch but no major shifts since this video
Yes do an updated build guide. Btw i dare u to do rampage mid. If you aint scareddd.
Gideon had by far the best skin in paragon the skeleton pirate
where do you watch top players or tournaments for this game, any twitch links / names to look up?
Primechampionshipcircuit - largest tournament organizer
forthecoretournament - largest eu tournament organizer
predecessorprovingground - hosts console tournaments and weekly platinum tournaments
mugiwawa - competitive support player, analysts reviews tournaments and competitive scrims of high level teams aswell as helps plays learn the game
myself - competitive midlane
crazzyfool - competitive support
sickks - competitive jungler
survivortv - competitive adc
lakenator - competitive adc
mercyyttv - competitive jungler
gratty - competitive jungler also organizes 1v1 tournaments/broadcasts them
laubergg - competitive solo laner
those are all twitch accounts although the first one, mugiwawa, and gratty also be found on youtube under the same names
@@SoulRe4p3r sweet, thank you man
Just started playing predecessor and coming from paragon. Seeing revenant in c tier is shocking to me he used to be busted
He’s playable just very weak by comparison
Is Wukong in the game?
not yet he will be in the future though
@SoulRe4p3r I just saw a video where they say he won't be coming I played Paragon and it was my all time favorite game that's not a rpg lol I got so excited because I heard about Predecessor is on console but when I found out there's bo card system and no Wu it sent me back into depression lol
I agree with most of this list, but I can tell this guy never really played Grux or Revenant. 💀
Grux is probably the strongest character right now, especially with his bleeding damage. And Rev is the strongest PvP character, when you play him right and you have a halfway decent support on your side.
I’ve played everything in the game extensively this is more competitive focused tierlist both of those heroes are not strong competitively or at a high level they are just Timmy destroyer heroes
Is there a competitive mode in pred? i dont see it
there are community tournaments and things like that no official ranked mode
Im new and trying to get better cause i suck and keep getting yelled at by people. Can i play with you so i can get better?
I think dekker is S-. Set up is great and the cage can be defensive or offensive. I’m stuck in controller bc I’m handicapped so I can’t hit her ult for shit lol. Like 2/5
Rev C Tier is criminal
He’s honestly probably b tier but got damn he is bad I would rather have any other hero on my team
Tssk Tssk. I'll have to crank him out mid for the disrespect.@@SoulRe4p3r
Such a shame rev is so bad rn, hopefully he gets something to help him out
Personal opinion he is realistically one tier above
Gideon is everything! 💜🙌
Morigesh is my favorite character
The Big Dog does it again
Revenant has a MASSIVE damage output in late game
yeah the problem with that is you have to be late game the other problem is other adcs are just stronger at that point as well unfortunately
@@SoulRe4p3r I only had good experiences with him so far, but I pretty much just started playing so who am I to judge.
Genuine Question, How is Howitzer S-tier? He seems bad no matter what.
Then you never play against a good Howitzer. I main him since OG Paragon and I can say, I lost my lane only 1 time, when Argus came out, because I didn't know how to play against him. So I personally win every single time I play him.
@@Entitusschule What's your build?
@@Nik3600 1.) Combustion for early game pressure. (I fire many rockets to the other hero to make them teleport back and waste time) And I can clear the minions really fast already even in the early game.
2.) Timewarp for quicker spellcasting
3.) Megacosm for even more magical damage damage (You can switch Timewarp and Megacosm here. It's just how you like it or how you need it)
4.) Wraith leggings to finish off already wounded heroes (Switch this out for Caustica if half of the team has magical armor)
5.) Oblivion Crown for (You guessed it) even more magical damage.
As a crest I take Soulbearer so I can save myself with a huge shield if things get tight.
With this playstyle I can say in all honesty I almost never lose my lane. If we really lose the game it's more because my friends don't want to play anymore against a strong team. No matter what, my lane stands. 😂
Yeaaa release the new build video asap
grux bullies zarus in lane, well this guy on my team that went 0/11as grux vs a zarus, never have seen someone getting cooked that bad
unfort skill gap
where would Grim .exe be?
Just started playing couple days ago kallari can burn in hell fr
I'm doing my part
Riktors hook is so hard to hit man
Idk about the patch differences between pc and playstation, but when you say grux is B tier i have some hope he gets nerfed. I would say he and khaimera are the strongest atm on console. Even when they are 0-9 behind they fuck you in 1v1 ..
Kaimera is annoying asf, to win from him in 1v1 is little hard but it takes so long…
Painful to hear that Kwang is broken: he was the hero I was waiting for since Pred released, and was happy when I started doing well with him.
It was all a lie.
doing well is still doing well homie
Revenant is better now, he can get sky splitter
Yes more guides
i started playing yesterday and revenant💀
He’s fine till you get to higher levels
I get about 20 kills plus every game with serath jngle lol if she is your a or c tier you don't know how to use her
Morigesh B ? wtf morisgesh in a master ganker 😅 alway got the FB
Lol grux is S tier, kallari is not A+ tier lol wtf
Lmao what kallari is fucking broken you must just be bad 😅
Make own tierlist
Anyone looking to team up? I’m new to the game since it just came out on Xbox and these randoms are driving me nuts 😅 edit: Morgesh or whatever her name is musta got buffed since this video because I’ve been getting one shit by her every game ffs 😂
you can try looking for people to play with in the predecessor general discord I think they have lfg channels. morigesh is kind of a skill check shes decent against new players since she is easy to play but gets punished very hard by more experienced players
@@SoulRe4p3r thanks for the tips man I appreciate it 🙏 discord channel was a big help.
Nah serath is 1 of the top jngle without a doubt
Phase isn’t OP but she is mad annoying.