Matt, you were in my pod in top 16. Im the Tymna/Thrassios player. Somehow my previous deck showed up on the database (Tymna/Malcolm). That was the list i played at Lotus Bowl 6. Not sure how that happened. Ill post a link to the list i played in tournament.
It got hit pretty hard, you have your commanders much less often and your mana production in general just took such a big hit. I think it's still fine but it might be closer to top 10 status than top 5 right now.
The return of Malcolm!!!!! Nice video from the man himself. Interesting to see so much Malcolm, I played Malcolm/kediss a bit in the old Mets and it just wasn’t fast enough and also not quite Grundy enough… but in the new Meta it seems like it could work, do u have a strong feeling either way on which partner? Tymna, tana, or vial?
Hey, I've been playtesting your Rog/Thras deck for the past week and I must ask. Why not run Summoner's Pact and Clement the Worrywort lines with Shrieking Drake? To me these cards open up a ton more options in ways this deck can combo and to me Valley Floodcaller or Tamiyo didnt come up that much for example, so I switched it out for those. Thoughts?
@jakubpetras6386 really just not sold on clement, it would arguably be the lowest card quality combo in the list if I added it and I don't really want to add more combos. Tamiyo isn't necessary but has tested well for me so far, Floodcaller I may try to go back on the Helix combo with but just as a card has super impressed me even in a list with this many creatures.
Haha I don't think I'll ever go through a full deck Futureshifting again. I've almost got the list fully built in paper at this point. I do like the meta so far, we'll see how it shakes out going into next year.
Can you talk about your intuition lines in rog/thras? Or make an updated video about the list! I love the deck and have stuck to it since your first video. Thanks for sharing a sick list!
@123rulz updated video on it will probably come sometime after the boil. I don't often go for lines with it, but if you have the mana breach six and ewit should let you do what you want to do. Often I just value intuition or use it when I've already got a way to get things from the yard.
I talk about it a bit I think in my rog thras video. It depends on your list, but you typically want to attack their mana development. Once they have a lot of mana killing off commanders and creatures only does so much. Rog/Thras specifically can turn most turns with 7+ mana into a win a hundred different ways.
I'm playing the polar opposite of your list without the earthcraft and curio packages, but I'll probably join your team before the boil. One thing i noticed is that it's hard to pick the right moment to go off in these colors. Any advice on that?
@cameronc4131 I try to let my hand decide my pace of play. At the first event I played post ban, I was very much on the mana into seedborn take over the game plan, where my main goal was to not lose from an unbeatable position. This event i had a lot of overlapping pieces and basically jammed attempts unprotected over and over since I had such a density of them. It's really a balance, where the hardest spots are low resource games where you only have one thing resembling an attempt. That's kinda why I always prioritize developing lots of mana, the amount of cards you can draw that push for a winning game state is crazy high at that point.
Ive been playing Glarb. I was able to place top 16 at All Hallows Eve with the deck. Currently still messing with the deck, and looking to add some miracle shenanigans to the deck as well.
Ive been playing alot of rog thras. super enjoying it. I love the random big iditos like etali. it has won me so many games. I just cut earthcraft it felt so inconsistent. also not on the candle anymore it jsut didnt feel needed. however guild artisan to me is an auto include the games were you play it on 1/2 just feel like your game.
Doesn’t mind goblin get a new sticker every time it enters the battlefield? Meaning it doesn’t go infinite with cloudstone bc you can only have it enter the battlefield 9 times before you run out of stickers?
@nebDDa when it moves to an unknown zone like your hand the sticker is removed, letting you continually use it. But yes when you try to flicker it or things like that you'll use up different stickers each time.
You chose to title a video about how green is good but failed to mention examples like the 55 player tournament in MN where mono green beat a huge field of magda, which destroyed all the 'turbo' decks. Honestly, I stopped watching halfway thru.... just seems like you're explaining cards, explaining how some card interaction works, and scanning decks, providing only conjecture. For example, you say that there is a trend of not playing Ad Naus in Master of Keys. 100% conjecture. There is simply no where near enough evidence to come to that conclusion. And no, you can't Dress Down every turn with that deck. Stop parroting nonsense that you read somewhere else. Clearly you haven't even played the deck. All in all, there's a real lack of metagame ANALYSIS here. Just feels like an hour of explaining what cards do. It would never take 55 minutes to discuss 'what the metagame looks like' as per what you say you want to do in the intro.
datatog just posted stats that Necropotence has overtaken Ad Nauseam in popularity across all cEDH which is what I was referring to, I can't cover every event, and it's a tournament breakdown so I talk about decks at this tournament.
@@LemorasCards Please elaborate what mean in the description when you say "overall shifts in the cEDH meta". There's no discussion of "shifts in the meta" It's just you explaining what cards do that happened in a single tournament. But somehow datatog is relevant? But you're only talking about this tournament? This makes sense to you? Clearly, you have enough knowledge of cEDH that you don't have to be making hour long explanations of what cards do.
@@ChevyRedneckGFX No way. First off, everyone is just playing what they want in order to figure out what the metagame is. Because the metagame just went through a huge shake-up. And don't be fooled, this video advertises that it's examining the metagame when it doesn't. Not that it even could. But instead of even attempting to do that, he just reads the cards that were in the decks. Essentially, this video is not extrapolating any useful metagame information and is just posting decklists of 16 random decks. Oh, but let's use outdated data from datatog to promote baseless hypothesis about a metagame that is completely different now. There's no way that there's enough tournament data available, around the entire globe, to extrapolate anything of value, but wait......... check out the thumbnail and title! Somehow we've sorted through a month of trivial levels of data to determine that green is good now. Unsubscribing, because I can read decklists for myself, I don't need to be told how some cards are 'cool'. And I don't need to be educated on known-combos 3 dozen times.
Which of these decks are your favorite? What do you think of the current cEDH meta game? Let me know down below!
I'm pretty excited about Glarb, Calamitys Augur. Sultai colors are super cool 🐸
@Yomolink i hope it keeps doing well, we've really been lacking on sultai decks.
i liked that list by that funny Matthew guy, strange guy but cool list!
What’s going on with rog si?
Why no link to your deck list?
Matt, you were in my pod in top 16. Im the Tymna/Thrassios player. Somehow my previous deck showed up on the database (Tymna/Malcolm). That was the list i played at Lotus Bowl 6. Not sure how that happened. Ill post a link to the list i played in tournament.
@kennethmarkwith4678 oh dang! Hate when there's deck list issues like that. If I had thought about it I should've realized a TnT was missing 😕
Glad the contents rolling again. Looking forward to more tourny breakdowns to come.
some spicy goodies, big fan of the gev list jamming that rakdos life. and of course mad props on the rog-thras jams, deck seems a ton of fun
Should check out the Oahu CEDH scene.
I heard it’s an actively strong meta despite being a small island
Thanks for covering Pirate Farm! Nice seeing you as always my friend 🫡
@@HellaLily you too!
Great video! I was wondering your thoughts on TnK post ban? Its my main deck but its seeing much less play recently
It got hit pretty hard, you have your commanders much less often and your mana production in general just took such a big hit. I think it's still fine but it might be closer to top 10 status than top 5 right now.
The return of Malcolm!!!!! Nice video from the man himself. Interesting to see so much Malcolm, I played Malcolm/kediss a bit in the old Mets and it just wasn’t fast enough and also not quite Grundy enough… but in the new Meta it seems like it could work, do u have a strong feeling either way on which partner? Tymna, tana, or vial?
@@MRAIClassroom im biased but Malcolm/Tana goes crazy
I'm currently leaning toward Vial but I think either of them have their own strengths.
Thanks! I might just take ur wisdom and build rog/thras… gonna ponder it here and play test em on moxfield a few days
Hey, I've been playtesting your Rog/Thras deck for the past week and I must ask. Why not run Summoner's Pact and Clement the Worrywort lines with Shrieking Drake? To me these cards open up a ton more options in ways this deck can combo and to me Valley Floodcaller or Tamiyo didnt come up that much for example, so I switched it out for those. Thoughts?
@jakubpetras6386 really just not sold on clement, it would arguably be the lowest card quality combo in the list if I added it and I don't really want to add more combos. Tamiyo isn't necessary but has tested well for me so far, Floodcaller I may try to go back on the Helix combo with but just as a card has super impressed me even in a list with this many creatures.
Wasabi best deck! We need a future sight wasabi deck profile
Man, i'm enjoying the new meta, hope not to be the only one 😅
Haha I don't think I'll ever go through a full deck Futureshifting again. I've almost got the list fully built in paper at this point. I do like the meta so far, we'll see how it shakes out going into next year.
Loved meeting you this last weekend!
You too! I always love getting out to events to meet people!
Can you talk about your intuition lines in rog/thras? Or make an updated video about the list! I love the deck and have stuck to it since your first video. Thanks for sharing a sick list!
@123rulz updated video on it will probably come sometime after the boil. I don't often go for lines with it, but if you have the mana breach six and ewit should let you do what you want to do. Often I just value intuition or use it when I've already got a way to get things from the yard.
Any suggestions to beat Rog/Thras and/or Kinnan? These 2 are decks im worried about losing to in coming events
I talk about it a bit I think in my rog thras video. It depends on your list, but you typically want to attack their mana development. Once they have a lot of mana killing off commanders and creatures only does so much. Rog/Thras specifically can turn most turns with 7+ mana into a win a hundred different ways.
I'm playing the polar opposite of your list without the earthcraft and curio packages, but I'll probably join your team before the boil. One thing i noticed is that it's hard to pick the right moment to go off in these colors. Any advice on that?
@cameronc4131 I try to let my hand decide my pace of play. At the first event I played post ban, I was very much on the mana into seedborn take over the game plan, where my main goal was to not lose from an unbeatable position. This event i had a lot of overlapping pieces and basically jammed attempts unprotected over and over since I had such a density of them. It's really a balance, where the hardest spots are low resource games where you only have one thing resembling an attempt. That's kinda why I always prioritize developing lots of mana, the amount of cards you can draw that push for a winning game state is crazy high at that point.
Temur Pirates! Love it!
Ive been playing Glarb. I was able to place top 16 at All Hallows Eve with the deck. Currently still messing with the deck, and looking to add some miracle shenanigans to the deck as well.
Ive been playing alot of rog thras. super enjoying it. I love the random big iditos like etali. it has won me so many games. I just cut earthcraft it felt so inconsistent. also not on the candle anymore it jsut didnt feel needed. however guild artisan to me is an auto include the games were you play it on 1/2 just feel like your game.
Glad to see some Modern format technology out of you, Matt! Rumble is such a good card.
Love the analysis, thanks
Malcolm Tana (Dallas) here, Nice coverage of this event. Im sorry Lemora, I'll run Cavern next time lol
thanks for the shout out :)
Of course!
I love all the Malcolm decks. He’s my favorite.
Grats dude! ❤❤❤
My boy Gaddock Teeg will make the cut one of these days! :)
@@TripsAhoy i cant wait to see it!
Another thing about Thras Akiri. Akiri can Neoform into Zirda.
thanks for greate content! love your deck the bedst ! ( but only becaus theres no tayam ;) deckteck rog /thras plz :)
Rona can also do the infinite mana line like valley Floodcaller with Banishing Knack and Retraction Helix
oh nice yeah that's a cool one.
Is that just with mox amber or any other rocks?
@justinmaynard8305 should work with Mox amber and Mox opal if it's online.
Also Sol Ring, Mana Vault, and Mox Opal. You can create infinite storm with chrome mox or lotus petal if needed for brain freeze.
ROG THRAS baby!!!!!
Best deck ez
so glad people are hot on tezz now
Should have covered the 13th placed Storm deck, looks so cool
It wasn't the actual list played in the event, that was the first Malcolm/Vial
Doesn’t mind goblin get a new sticker every time it enters the battlefield? Meaning it doesn’t go infinite with cloudstone bc you can only have it enter the battlefield 9 times before you run out of stickers?
@nebDDa when it moves to an unknown zone like your hand the sticker is removed, letting you continually use it. But yes when you try to flicker it or things like that you'll use up different stickers each time.
First time in one of these...now if i can just remember to copy and paste the right list next time ...lol smdh
@joestrickland8536 come on, Joe, you gotta do better lol
Lol it's the easiest things that get you!
You're not running spirit guides?
Not currently, mainly focus on developing permanent sources of mana. I'm considering adding Elvish in though.
my favorite decklists are the ones that aren’t rog/thras -spuki
@@PokenShaho how could you 😢
@@LemorasCards ill get him for you 👊
Put a link to this page so we can review it ourselves.
It's in the description!
Awesome vid! esika still shit tho ☺️
@@SKAR_G how could you say that, she kinda has text sometimes 💀
@@LemorasCardsbridge never came up tho 😂
You chose to title a video about how green is good but failed to mention examples like the 55 player tournament in MN where mono green beat a huge field of magda, which destroyed all the 'turbo' decks.
Honestly, I stopped watching halfway thru.... just seems like you're explaining cards, explaining how some card interaction works, and scanning decks, providing only conjecture. For example, you say that there is a trend of not playing Ad Naus in Master of Keys. 100% conjecture. There is simply no where near enough evidence to come to that conclusion. And no, you can't Dress Down every turn with that deck. Stop parroting nonsense that you read somewhere else. Clearly you haven't even played the deck.
All in all, there's a real lack of metagame ANALYSIS here. Just feels like an hour of explaining what cards do. It would never take 55 minutes to discuss 'what the metagame looks like' as per what you say you want to do in the intro.
datatog just posted stats that Necropotence has overtaken Ad Nauseam in popularity across all cEDH which is what I was referring to, I can't cover every event, and it's a tournament breakdown so I talk about decks at this tournament.
@@LemorasCards Please elaborate what mean in the description when you say "overall shifts in the cEDH meta". There's no discussion of "shifts in the meta" It's just you explaining what cards do that happened in a single tournament. But somehow datatog is relevant? But you're only talking about this tournament? This makes sense to you?
Clearly, you have enough knowledge of cEDH that you don't have to be making hour long explanations of what cards do.
@@parazightsporch2523 For some these videos are helpful
@@ChevyRedneckGFX No way. First off, everyone is just playing what they want in order to figure out what the metagame is. Because the metagame just went through a huge shake-up. And don't be fooled, this video advertises that it's examining the metagame when it doesn't. Not that it even could. But instead of even attempting to do that, he just reads the cards that were in the decks. Essentially, this video is not extrapolating any useful metagame information and is just posting decklists of 16 random decks. Oh, but let's use outdated data from datatog to promote baseless hypothesis about a metagame that is completely different now. There's no way that there's enough tournament data available, around the entire globe, to extrapolate anything of value, but wait......... check out the thumbnail and title! Somehow we've sorted through a month of trivial levels of data to determine that green is good now.
Unsubscribing, because I can read decklists for myself, I don't need to be told how some cards are 'cool'. And I don't need to be educated on known-combos 3 dozen times.
Wild how much better at these you are then comedian